Augie Garridio

I watched that entire documentary the other night with my boy. I don't know what the consensus is here, but frankly I think Augie Garrido is brilliant and perfect for college baseball. I really have no idea whether my son will ever get to play DI, or even college ball at all. But if he will, I would be proud to have him coached by a man like Garrido.

Where can I find the documentary to watch?

Brilliant? Please. You could run a monkey out there and get the same recruiting results he gets. UT gets any player it wants from one of the best baseball states in the country. With the players they get, you can be an average coach and get the results he gets.

Amen. Coaching is all about recruiting. Maybe not all about, but it starts and ends with recruiting.

Tx-Husker- I take it you've never seen the documentary?

Yes, I've seen it.

Building CS Fullerton basically from the ground up to me is an impressive feat, especially with the haste it occurred. Even with the recruiting capabilities at Texas (yes, I agree there are A LOT of advantages there), there are many other schools that UT matches up against with similar advantages. The game still must be played on the field, and you have to earn your CWS ring.

I'll grant you brilliant 15+ years ago at CSF. I'm talking about the last 10-15 at Texas. The comment was he "is" brilliant, not he "was" brilliant.

His life story in the documentary is impressive.

But his post-game tirades are selfish. They aren't about the team. They're about him. They're about his need to blow off steam. Like a 2-yr. old.

Uh, let me see if I understand your position, TX-Husker. A coach who you concede "was" brilliant 15 years ago is now less brilliant with 15 years more experience? I was under the impression that more experience actually added to a person's intelligence/competence.

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However, he did play a pretty convincing Yankees assistant coach in the movie "For Love of the Game."
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Uh, let me see if I understand your position, TX-Husker. A coach who you concede "was" brilliant 15 years ago is now less brilliant with 15 years more experience? I was under the impression that more experience actually added to a person's intelligence/competence.

So your point is once brilliant, always brilliant?

So did the getting on in years make him no longer brilliant or did the chance to get better players make him lose the brilliance? Not real sure how you actually lose brilliance to be honest.

Is there something personal against him Tx-Husker? Your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.

Netflix has the documentary. There may be other places as well.

No coach, I was just pointing out a flawed line of thinking about being once brilliant alway brilliant. I didn't say he wasn't good. My point is simply I wouldn't say what he's done at texas is brilliant given the talent he has to work with.

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Originally posted by freddy77:
His life story in the documentary is impressive.

But his post-game tirades are selfish. They aren't about the team. They're about him. They're about his need to blow off steam. Like a 2-yr. old.

Or they serve as a wake up call which lead them to win 10 straight games and the conference tournament, 5(??) national championships and a bunch of trips to the CWS. If you were to rip your players like that after every loss then you will have them tune you out. But if you can find the right time / place for a tirade like this you can move mountains. I've not watched the documentary but would like to. I have no idea how they slant the view of him or if they don't at all and play it straight up. But I highly doubt he's like this after every loss or every setback. I could be wrong because I don't know - I know of the man but I don't know him.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
No coach, I was just pointing out a flawed line of thinking about being once brilliant alway brilliant. I didn't say he wasn't good. My point is simply I wouldn't say what he's done at texas is brilliant given the talent he has to work with.

So are you saying he should have more wins, conference championships, CWS appearances and / or CWS titles due to the fact he's got better talent? If that's what you're saying then I can sorta see where you're going but I think the flip side to that is he's also facing tougher competition since he's in a tougher conference.

Yes, I think they have underperformed given the talent he's had.

Brilliant...John Wooden. He was brilliant.

I tend to agree with TX-Husker and he has been known to abuse an arm or two...or three.

I'll give you the John Wooden being brilliant. To me if you are brilliant (or be considered brilliant) then you need to judge someone over a large portion of their career. Brilliance shouldn't be judged in short periods of time. Texas hasn't been in the main spotlight in a few years shouldn't mean that Garridio has lost anything. It should show how tough it is to actually win. If you look at John Wooden's career I'm sure you will find a stretch or two where he mirror's what Garridio is going through (I can't say that for certain because I haven't researched it).

Looking at Garridio's career then he's brilliant but he's going through a small down period. But this down period is what some coaches would love to have.

I can only pray that the down periods in my career include two national championships and two losses in the championship series over the last nine years (not to mention currently being in the top five in the country).

D1 baseball at its finest.I dont find that inspiring at all in any way. Maybe because I am a girl.LOL

Wonder if he yelled like that at the police officer that arrested him for DUI last year?

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Wonder if he yelled like that at the police officer that arrested him for DUI last year

Yeah I wonder.Hope he stays in Texas.LOL

You can buy them new but from a second-hand outfit for about $13 on Amazon. I have bought several to give as gifts. Guys who played college ball especially like it. Linklater made the documentary so the slant is clearly in Augie's and Texas' favor.

Yes, it is easier to recruit at Texas mostly due to the city. (I have degrees from Tx A&M and Univ of Texas.) However, any letup in recruiting efforts and Tx A&M, TCU, Rice etc will be on his tail not to mention the better out of state programs.

I thought he came across as an outstanding leader, communicator and motivator. He leaves a bit to be desired as a person I would want my boy to emulate.

My favorite non-baseball line is when he tells the story about Darrell Royal telling him that potential gets you fired at Texas.

After ripping his players a new one for their lack of character, Garrido told them, "Now I'm not depersonalizing this when I say 'you'. 'Us' is the right word. It applies to all of us. I'm taking the blame. They out-coached us because they played better. I'll take the blame for the loss."

Yeah, right, Augie. Master psychologist.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Brilliant? Please. You could run a monkey out there and get the same recruiting results he gets. UT gets any player it wants from one of the best baseball states in the country. With the players they get, you can be an average coach and get the results he gets.

UT may be able to get any player they want, but they have to be careful, if this was basketball or football Those recruits have to go to college for 1 year (BB) or 3 years (FB). So in baseball you can not recruit all the top talent you want, because chances are you will lose them to the draft out of HS, which in return's hurts your club. I spoke with a UT coach a few years ago and he said that is the toughest thing is deciding what the chances are that they actually see the kid on campus, they don't recruit to many kids that they feel are top 5 round kids. If MLB ever did away with HS kids being drafted, UT would be so dominate it wouldn't be funny.

And if you think Augie hurt some arms, what do you think about the Rice coach?

Wayne Graham is what you would call brilliant. He took San Jacinto from nothing to winning 5 national championships in 6 years. Then got hired at Rice and turned a small private school into a national powerhouse that has gone to Omaha 7 of the last 14 years.

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Originally posted by catcher7:
Wayne Graham is what you would call brilliant. He took San Jacinto from nothing to winning 5 national championships in 6 years. Then got hired at Rice and turned a small private school into a national powerhouse that has gone to Omaha 7 of the last 14 years.

Yep, and all without BCS athletic dept. $$$. That is a coach.

Another guy that in my opinion has done a brilliant job is Gary Gilmore at Coastal Carolina. In a state where he has to compete with So Carolina and Clemson. And in a region of the nation where he is surrounded with power house programs. And surrounded by the ACC and SEC conferences.

No CWS yet. But he has built a consistent top 20 program that is knocking on the door of the CWS each year. There are others out there. But Coach Gilmore has to be considered as one of the coaches who has done and continues to do a "brilliant" job.

Coach May-

I was in the Myrtle Beach area for New Years and drove through the Coastal campus. There are major renovations being done growing the academic portions of the school.

A few months ago an article was posted here about Coastal and Coach Gilmore's dedication/progression with the program. I think CD might have posted it. If anyone has the link and would be willing to share here please do so as it was very interesting to read.

The competition aspect in that area I think often goes overlooked. In South Carolina, USC and Clemson reign supreme as you said. This past summer we played against a pitcher from USC that is originally from Conway, the town Coastal is in. When I mentioned that I was surprised he'd headed to Columbia instead, my pitching coach replied "if you live in South Carolina and Ray Tanner wants you, its pretty much where you go." Obviously this is a generalization but the distinction is there, and it makes Coach Gilmore's program that much more impressive.

I think there are other programs in the Carolinas that have the potential to do similar things as Coastal. Elon is growing a considerable reputation and ECU has been putting up some impressive numbers, with Coach Godwin hiring a new pitching coach.

I'm with Tx husker in this Augie talk.
Listening to him whine after a loss was like watching a real bad 4th grade girls basketball game.
Agree on the Wayne Graham = genius comment.
Watch Brad Hill at Kansas State... he's impressive too.

FWIW: I have no desire to appear dimwitted, but I know little of the college recruiting landscape and how it may or may not influence the appearance of a particular coach's success. In fact, my use of the superlative "brilliant" was in no way a reference to Garrido's competitive results or game management acumen, or anything of that sort at all. Instead, my observation was inspired mainly by Garrido's stated preference for coaching as teaching and his invoking the "process" of individual player development. Which I personally find to be refreshing. That is all.

That said, I wondered if this wouldn't be a controversial topic which is why I also said,"I don't know what the consensus is here...". Thanks for the comments either way.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I'm with Tx husker in this Augie talk.
Listening to him whine after a loss was like watching a real bad 4th grade girls basketball game.
Agree on the Wayne Graham = genius comment.
Watch Brad Hill at Kansas State... he's impressive too.

From what I understand Graham is a genius unless you're a pitcher. Then you wish he was an orthopedic surgeon. I heard the percentage of his pitchers having surgery post-Rice is very high relative to other programs.