Coach who demands perfection victim of entitled parents

I don't believe you need to curse at players. Did the cursing make me tougher? No. I didn't curse my players. But it didn't damage me either. Of course kids today listen to Patsy Cline so they are not used to foul language anyway.

Haha, true. 

It just seems silly to me to behave as some do.  But, it didn't hurt me either, in fact, after awhile it is just becomes back ground noise if a coach is always going off.  

I am just saying if a coach is preaching respect, self control, discipline he should try to display it.  

If kids today liked Patsy Cline our pre-game music would be much much better!!

Nothing gets me pumped up and the adrenaline flowing more than "Walking After Midnight."

I really don't get the admiration of yesteryear's abusive coaches, as if the way to "raise a man"  is to abuse a child.

So what do you think happened?

For some Adrian Peterson is Father of the Year.

I come in contact with some parents of players who play during the regular season for this coach.  Summer travel ball is just starting to crank up so I haven't seen any of the current ones yet, so I couldn't say with any certainty.  What I could say is that there was a change in administrative leadership two years ago and it has been said that the approach to handling issues with player parents has changed during that time.  I did see one report that suggested it stemmed from coach calling a kid a derogatory name.  Have no idea if that is the case or not, but it was reported.  Let's be hypothetical for a second and just accept that the report about using a derogatory name on face value is true (again - I do not know if it is or not).  Oh the horror!

 

All I can say is that this guy has coached both my boys in summer travel ball.  The kind of travel ball where you put them on a plane and they travel thousands of miles, sometimes for a week or two consecutively.  Hotels, meals, entertainment, practices, games.  I didn't fly with them, didn't stay in the same hotels (for those tourneys I actually went to), and never shared a single meal with either kid while they were on the road. Essentially turned them over to this coach, and the assistants for the duration.  I would do it again in a heartbeat, zero reservations.

 

First, I would like to thank all the parents who are raising soft kids. My kids are so mentally tough they would have raced right by your kids. But you made it easier for my kids.

 

i remember my first high school basketball tryout/practice. In a defensive position we shuffled stepped the gym for ninety minutes. Halfway through we had a five minute water break. Afterwards, a lot of players were doubled over groaning and puking in the locker room. The coach came into the locker room and said, "OK ladies. If any of you turn into men by tomorrow tryouts start at 3:30." The team played with the 40 minutes of hell philosophy except high school basketball was 32 minutes. The point of the first day drill was to find out who could hack full court defensive pressure and run and gun offense for an entire game. Only half showed up for day two.

 

i loved playing 40 minutes of hell basketball. I taught it and coached it from kiddie ball through 14u travel.

So your idea of good coach is a coach who doesn't understand the need for proper hydration? What a great way to get the best out of a group of young men.

Question:

What Country takes a National Team player out of the game, if he makes an error or fails to advance a runner to 3b with less than 2 outs.

 

Hint: if the player does not play baseball beyond HS, he is drafted into the Infantry.

 

We have played this National team 5 times with our American team, which included 12 current ML players including Torii Hunter.

 

Bob

Goodwill Series Inc

 

 

Your either old school parent or not. 

As an old school parent I, or we do not condone abuse like most of you new young parents argue. Cheap and shallow unwarranted accusations

Yes I agree, there were extremes that should not be accepted today that were before.

However you REALLY need to face the realization of what you are preparing you child for.

Ever heard good cop bad cop? Probably not. 

Some of you need a good coach to parent your kid

JMO

Nobody died. The next day only talented players who were physically and mentally tough showed up for tryouts. In those first practices and the summer football double sessions that preceded basketball I discovered I could handle anything. I couldn't be broken. I never believed either the team or I could be beaten. We would be tougher to the end.

 

My kids are the same way. They believe obstacles favor them. They can stand up to the challenge whether it's sports or anything else. Senior year of high school my son had shoulder surgery in November. The ortho told him he wouldn't be playing baseball in the spring. He wouldn't be able to throw until May. My son looked steely eyed at the doctor. He said, "I'm going to be in the lineup opening day on March 15th. You're going to help me get there." He started opening day.

       
       
IMO the problem is there is a huge difference between a tough and an abussive coach. However if we just walked by a practice and took a glimps its almost impossible to tell the difference between the two. Same with a kind coach and a sissy hippy coach. Then we tend to make sterotypes about one side or the other and try and put every coach into one. My 8 year old girls lost one game this year. After the game I was sitting on a bucket asking what we learned, did we get better, and saying losing nor winning was important. Hippy coach right? Every kid and every parent that has every played for me at any level or any sport that I've talked to about it says I'm the toughest coach they or their kid has ever had. I'm very loud. I don't yell at players but to someone on the other side off the fence it maybe perceived that way. I set the rules day one and when one is broken the consequences are immediate. Sometimes that means a lot of concequences happen the first practice or two especially to kids new to me who have to test the boundrys. I've had numerous new parents have a stroke and start up the abusive stuff. Fortunately I've always had parents that knew me, calm them down and tell them to be patient. By mid season no problems. If fact in over 20 years of coaching football, baseball, softball, and soccer I've never had a kid quit. A couple I've had to remove from the team but never had one quit. My point is if you came to one of my practices depending on when you saw me you might judge me as abusive, a hippy, kind, or tough coach. Coaches can be tough without being abusive or kind without ruining the competition level of the kid.

The big difference is when the tough coach apears abusive now a days he may lose his position especially if his perceived abuse is toward a non starter who's parent believes he should be starting lol.

But hey what do I know I loved and still love my old HS football, basketball, and baseball coaches and all of them would be fired today. Heck the football coach would probably go to jail. He's in his 90's now and would still be the first person I called if I ever needed someone.

       
       
Haha my dad is always complaining about how kids are being raised today. I always tell him don't worry about it. It's just making life easier on his grandkids.

My sons middle school baseball coach this year may have been the second worst coach in history. Not only should this guy never be allowed to coach at any level he probably shouldn't be around kids. So about two weeks in the revolt started. I always sit off by myself but being only one of two parents who's kid was in his third year on the team I guess the parents wanted my opinion. So here they all come to ask me what I thought. My only response was well it is what it is what do you want me to do about it. One mom snapped back so you're really not going to do anything. I said no. It's not my problem. I'm not on the team. It's my son's problem go talk to him. Most dropped it after that but a few still went to the principle. Coach was removed and they got the worst coach of all time to finish the season. I did have to be a smart alic and ask one of the parents if they were happy now hahahaha. Also I thought my son handled it really well. He played hard and said yes sir to what he was told to do no matter how stupid it was.

Oh and just a word of advice for the new members on this site. I would have been one of the parents going nuts had I not came to this site and listened to the seasoned advice from poster like coach May and others. I'm very thankful I did. Cause right or not the HS coach knows every parent that went to complain.

After an 11/12 basketball game I told the boys the good news is we won. The bad news is way played poorly. We won because the other team played worse. Our preseason goal was to be better every week. In pre high school sports I preferred to lose playing fundamentally well than winning while looking like crap.

 

One of the parents grabbed their kid out of the post game huddle. He announced loud enough for every parent to hear he wasn't going to allow his kid to take that kind of abuse.

 

i coached baseball, softball and both boys and girls basketball. I had a reputation with the high school coaches kids who played for me were ready for high school ball from a fundamental, knowledge, discipline and work ethic aspect. The question was did they have the talent. But one parent thought I was abusive and told as many people as he could.