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Originally Posted by old_school:
Originally Posted by Buckeye 2015:
Originally Posted by old_school:

 

oh the drama...the truth is the head is one of the safest places for a kid to get with the helmets they wear these days. I never said he should hit him in the head, i never told him to hit a kid - he is a smart and observes lots of things, it is pretty clear when it is appropriate.

 

Plus we already established that he will never say anything to anyone so it is nothing!! Honestly this whole thread is much to say about nothing.

 

You want to not be thrown at, respect the game, respect the other players and you will have very few problems, if any.

Maybe the most assinine thing I've ever read on any message board.  You justify hitting someone in the head by saying "it's safe cause he's wearing a helmet"....then 2 sentences later say kids should "respect the game...respect other players"   Curious...what happens when your son throws a FB and hits the kid in the face? 

 

Oh right, he'll never tell, so you're not liable....so it's ok.....unbelievable

 

 

I didn't justify anything. I never said anything about hitting a kid in the head being good. i said that obviously keeping your mouth shut is mandatory. I said that my kid hit the kid on the hip and he deserved it and I was fine with it. I didnt instruct anything but to keep your mouth shut. That still seems correct to me.  

 

Some other posted went off on how a pitcher is going to miss and throw the head shot.

 

i simply said that with the helmets today the head is very well protected... I think that is pretty self evident. We have all seen multiple kids get hit in the head and balls go shooting off to the side. 

 

You are making a HUGE leap to accuse me of saying that it should happen, wanting it to happen and supporting it to happen. The fact of the matter that is - that leap is totally incorrect but you didn't have the comprehension to get past The obvious disagreement you have.

 

as far respect the game. Yep that statement I stand by, believe and support. I believe anyone that has played or coached against or with me would agree. 

Yup with a post like this I agree with JH 100%!

Just on this point: 
i simply said that with the helmets today the head is very well protected... I think that is pretty self evident. We have all seen multiple kids get hit in the head and balls go shooting off to the side

 

This is 100% true.  However I have also seen multiple kids get hit in the head and be carted off the field and taken to the hospital.  

 

And  FYI,  just in case you didn't know, the  face and neck are adjacent to the head, and being hit in either can have literally catastrophic consequences for the player.

 

I have to agree that it's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever run into.

Originally Posted by TPM:
It has nothing to do with being sensitive. It has to do with what is right or wrong. An amatuer pitcher has no business throwing at anyone at anytime even if you or anyone else thinks its ok...even if you keep your mouth shut.

I'm not trying to be an instigator, I just want clarity: when you say "amateur pitcher," do you mean to include college and collegiate summer league games?

 

Real life scenario:

 

Game in a mid-level collegiate summer league. Home team is up by 8 runs in the 8th inning and batting. Batter (from a DI program) squares to bunt and pulls bat back for a called strike. Next pitch hits the batter squarely in the back. Coach of home team is indignant.

 

Now I suppose you can say that the coach of the home team in this situation has only known the guys on his team for a couple of weeks and isn't responsible for them knowing, at the age of 18, 19 or 20 that it is bush league to square to bunt when your team is up by 8 runs in the 8th.

 

Was it wrong for the pitcher to plunk the batter with an 85mph fastball, in the middle of his back, the way "he's supposed to"? BTW, he obviously did it on his own, without any direction from his coach.

Last edited by slotty
Originally Posted by old_school:
Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

When players get hit intentionally there is a purpose behind it.  What do you perceive to be the reason your son got hit intentionally?

the pitcher was stupid, he didn't understand the time or the place. my boy was the next kid up...it had nothing to do with him - he just happened to be the next spot in the order

To me it wasn't that big of deal, I stated I just thought it was ironic. Maybe if more coaches taught the proper reasons for it we wouldn't be having this conversation...hmmm it is obviously the pitchers coaches fault!! Relax that was a little bit funny.

I'm not understanding why you perceive your son was hit on purpose.

Originally Posted by redbird5:
Originally Posted by old_school:
Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

When players get hit intentionally there is a purpose behind it.  What do you perceive to be the reason your son got hit intentionally?

the pitcher was stupid, he didn't understand the time or the place. my boy was the next kid up...it had nothing to do with him - he just happened to be the next spot in the order

To me it wasn't that big of deal, I stated I just thought it was ironic. Maybe if more coaches taught the proper reasons for it we wouldn't be having this conversation...hmmm it is obviously the pitchers coaches fault!! Relax that was a little bit funny.

I'm not understanding why you perceive your son was hit on purpose.

the pitcher was angry he gave up a bomb and was pissed the bench got after the coach for holding him at 2nd...it wasn't any big deal.

It reminded me of this thread, I guess I forgot or maybe deleted from memory how many people get a knot in their shorts over the topic...to do it over again i would not even have mentioned it. But hey at least it helped liven things up here because it has been kinda dead since the end of the summer!!

 

Plus it is always good to be reminded how soft some people are these days.

1) In that scenario, the pitcher is an idiot. (Yes, 14 year old kids can be idiots) 

 

2) I don't have a problem with getting drilled...just stay away from the head.

 

3) old_school, you enjoy taking swings at everyone here EVERY CHANCE YOU GET. It gets old after a while and your message is drowned out by your desire to shake things up.

 

I see my hijack attempt fell flat.

 

I'm pretty sure (or hope) that no one thinks that any of the situations I listed is not "bad baseball." Let me take a different tack:

 

So how does an opposing coach go about telling the coach of the offending team that his kids need to be taught how to play the game properly, or one day--sooner or later, rightly or wrongly--somebody will throw at them. At what point should all kids playing competitive baseball know (or have been taught) the proper way to conduct themselves between the white lines?

At 13U played against a local kid who was a "peeker" and had been for 3 or 4 years.  He was a salty catcher who'd scratch your eyes out that would have gotten mixed reviews here for his overall temperament but not his competitiveness.

After a scrimmage game where our catcher just would not look up and keep him from stealing the signs, I mentioned to his coach that someday a pitcher will really light him up if he keeps that up and he should stop doing it.  This guy was a nice guy and didn't understand what I was talking about.  I explained to him that at some point his player would encounter someone with a live arm and a similar attitude and he's face some inside cheese because he wouldn't like having the batter "cheating" to know what was coming.

 

About a month later we played them in a tournament.  Catcher was nowhere around.  Asked what happened to him.  Coach said he had a broken arm.  Got hit by a pitch and the coach swore it was on purpose.  I was kind of sick to the stomach that it happened at 13 and not in HS.

 

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