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@Goosegg posted:"You forgot a couple:
1. You will be safe if you stay at home."
Show me where this was asserted. We stayed at home to reduce social interaction in order to reduce the R factor to below 1 - in other words to reduce infections spread and rate of spread. Every country which employed this did indeed reduce the R factor - and the stricter the stay at home order, the faster the reduction.
No one said "you will be safe at home." Now, in fact, if a person stayed at home, alone, and observed all the guidelines, that person would be safe.
"2. Georgia isn't ready for phase 1 of a reopen, they will be a new epicenter."
Neither you, nor I, nor anyone knows yet. We all know the delay involved in learning about new infections. For example, the deaths for the next two weeks are already baked in the cake and nothing we do - open, close - impacts that in the least.
[Editors note: I am retired, 50% of our income has evaporated and we're living on saved capital. I want to reopen as much as every person who wants to reopen.] So, I want and need Georgia and Florida and the rest to be successful; I dont believe hopium is a sound basis to leap into a potential volcano.
"3. It's ok to return C-19 patients to nursing homes."
Where was the science for this? Show me. I know it was done, but, show me the science which backed up the civilian decision.
"4. Masks don't work, wait yes they do, no they don't, I mean yes they do."
One thing about science and data. You change your conclusions based upon new data. And science is a methodology for learning new things. When those methods reveal hitherto unknown data points, you adjust; when those methods reveal data points at odds with your priors, you adjust. [Why stick with masks, why not say science once created models proving the earth was the center of everything and use that as disproving all science?]
"5. We are going with the "science"."
As the frontiers of knowledge on this virus expand, we take the info and adjust. For example, in the beginning human-to-human transmission was speculative, did it spread as an aerosol or droplets, what is the R factor, what tools do we have (eg, pronation for intubated patients), are these toe rashes related to Corona, what are we seeing with a small number of kids, people are getting reinfected, is there immunity, are there two distinct strains, masks dont work, what is causing an unusual number of strokes in healthy people. My point is science hasn't changed; as data is collected and analyzed hypotheses are made and methods applied to confirm or disprove.
In my recital of goal posts, science backing those claims was non-existent. For example, in Epsteins first article that 500 will die, you had a law professor telling the world that a new, unknown species jumping virus would kill at most 500. Oops. Then he changed it to 5000. Based upon science? No, based upon the fact he was wrong at 500.
Every person is entitled to an opinion, but this opinion - with no scientific basis - was seized upon as proving "no worries here."
Pundits move the goal posts all the time - that way they're never wrong (doesnt matter of you're left or right, all pundits are the same in this regard.)
Science doesnt move the goal posts; science wants to understand the goalposts, how they came to be there, what is different, why its different, are the goal posts fixed or not. Every step of the way (and sometimes its two steps back and one forward) a certain methodology is applied, broadcast to the world so others can reproduce similar results and build on it, peer reviews bring different eyes to the data with harsh criticism, positions are not fixed in stone and data informs every conclusion.
Scientists are not infallible - but the methodology science employs is way different from the pundits who spewed nonsense/opinions; nonsense because there was no methodology employed, just result oriented conclusions. And those result oriented conclusions fed into whatever priors a person had (eg, those who wanted to believe 500 would die and poof, we're good).
And, as data emerges and is evaluated, our actions to come out of this improved, more focused. For example, it appears that outdoor well-ventilated places are a much lower risk when compared to an enclosed space. Result: go outside and exercise. [One very real issue is the government takes a hammer to everything; when data is lacking a hammer is all we got. But, as data emerges that a scalpel is better, gvt has problems putting down that hammer.]
I'm all in on the reopening. I'm not all in on reopening in the face of data, or despite lacking data (hopium). That said, we'll use the emerging data from all these experiments to determine the next steps.
Oh, and one more point: we have now lost multiples of people compared to that "the flu killed x", "cars kill y." Another absurd pundit point untethered to any science.
You clearly miss the point that while C-19 is real, the shutdowns are complete political horse**** because no one knows.
1. Check half the US governors' "safer at home policy."
2. Three weeks into their reopen and hospital and cases are drying up. We do know that, it is fact.
3. Check the policies of NY and PA governor's forcing nursing homes to accept C-19 patients.
4. Just illustrating that there is waffling because there is no definitive science, so why pretend there is.
5. None of our "shutdown" policies have been about science. Again, see 1/2 the governors in US claim that they are doing this, "because they are going with the science". For the most part, they have been about fear, political power and/or ignorance.
I digress... it was 87 degrees, sunny, a beautiful day on the Lake in GA today! There were more people than I see on 4th of July. No political axe here. It looked like America, it looked like freedom. Hope to start seeing and hearing of more of you out there soon.
I believe too many governors are staying shut down out of fear for their political careers. They’re suffering from analysis paralysis. The media has created such fear, gloom and doom a lot of people are believing them and cowering under their beds.
Every day I get in my bike with no place to go. Occasionally, I encounter a restaurant that is defying the governor’s orders and has outside dining. But they’re not advertising out of fear of the governor stripping them of all their licenses like she did to one restaurant.
Boston mayor today, unbelievable. Boston does a serology test and see about 10% of population had been infected. Boston was going to release lockdown restrictions end of this month. Now he says because of this study, he has to keep lockdown going because too much of population hasn't been infected yet. So...they have to stay inside more. You can't make this stuff up!!
@James G posted:Boston mayor today, unbelievable. Boston does a serology test and see about 10% of population had been infected. Boston was going to release lockdown restrictions end of this month. Now he says because of this study, he has to keep lockdown going because too much of population hasn't been infected yet. So...they have to stay inside more. You can't make this stuff up!!
The governor of Maine is afraid to open up because she fears too many Massachusetts people will start showing up in Maine. The only option I have is which state I want to be locked down. At least bike riding is allowed in Maine. If go over the town line from Nahant into Swampscott on my bike it’s a violation subject to time in jail.
I totally agree, RJM but personally, I would rather do what’s right (whatever we individually think that is) at the expense of possibly not getting re-elected. At some point politics has to get back to the serving the greater good/serving the needs of the people first and not about personal gain, personal profit or toeing the party line...but just doing what’s right.
I, personally, think that some (not all) get into politics for the right reason but quickly find out that they better get in line with what the party wants versus what they know is right.
My prayer is that real, servants of people will be voted into office and become the majority (not the minority) on Capitol Hill...and honestly, I don’t care what party they represent — I just want people who want to do what’s best for the American people.
I know it’s “Pie in the Sky” wishes but it’s what I want for our country.
@hshuler posted:I totally agree, RJM but personally, I would rather do what’s right (whatever we individually think that is) at the expense of possibly not getting re-elected. At some point politics has to get back to the serving the greater good/serving the needs of the people first and not about personal gain, personal profit or toeing the party line...but just doing what’s right.
I, personally, think that some (not all) get into politics for the right reason but quickly find out that they better get in line with what the party wants versus what they know is right.My prayer is that real, servants of people will be voted into office and become the majority (not the minority) on Capitol Hill...and honestly, I don’t care what party they represent — I just want people who want to do what’s best for the American people.
I know it’s “Pie in the Sky” wishes but it’s what I want for our country.
One of my friends decided to run for Congress. He was surprised when I asked him why he wanted to become a Washington sleaze ball. He was fortunate. He lost the primary by two points.
When a rookie gets to Washington they become a pawn of the powerful, long time politicians. If they don’t they won’t get decent committee assignments.
Once they get re-elected once it’s hard to remove them with a crowbar and a grenade. I have very little faith in Washington politicians. They’re me first, party second, the people third.
@RJM posted:One of my friends decided to run for Congress. He was surprised when I asked him why he wants to become a Washington sleaze ball. He was fortunate. He lost the primary by two points.
When a rookie gets to Washington they become a pawn of the powerful, long time politicians. If they don’t they won’t get decent committee assignments.
Once they get re-elected once it’s hard to remove them with a crowbar and a grenade. I have very little faith in Washington politicians. They’re me first, party second, the people third.
Politics is one of the reasons that I quit watching the news. Sad but true.
@Pedaldad posted:I digress... it was 87 degrees, sunny, a beautiful day on the Lake in GA today! There were more people than I see on 4th of July. No political axe here. It looked like America, it looked like freedom. Hope to start seeing and hearing of more of you out there soon.
You are very lucky that you are able to do that, not everyone is so fortunate.
Somewhere in all of this, we have lost our empathy for others.
WTH are some of you talking about?
@57special posted:WTH are some of you talking about?
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I’ve been social distancing for over two months so forgive me for waxing nostalgic.
In 15 years of rec baseball, travel baseball, high school baseball, college baseball, there was always an unspoken rule that parents never discussed politics. I have great friends from baseball, who I might not like so much if we had. In fact, that is what makes baseball great, that it brings together people of very different backgrounds and ideas, all in the love of this game. There was always plenty of other stuff to talk about. I remember one memorable conversation in a bar, after the last game of the summer, mainly about raising boys. Everyone here has had that conversation, I bet. To me, that is why baseball = America. Maybe it is what we are losing in this spring and summer without baseball.
@TPM posted:You are very lucky that you are able to do that, not everyone is so fortunate.
Somewhere in all of this, we have lost our empathy for others.
"Losing our ability to empathize" would mean losing our ability to identify with those going through the exact same pain as our own.
For example, I have empathy for those like myself that are being forced to take furlough days from work.
I have sympathy for those that have lost their lives, businesses, and freedoms. And, I have sympathy for those that won't be able to provide for their families, will lose their home, will suffer abuse, and are having their health harmed in irreparable ways by the well-meaning, but woolly-minded persons that are ok with with government stripping people of their freedoms and right to live.
My sympathy lies with the young men in my hometown of Bowling Green, Ohio where the Athletic Department just cut baseball over an oppressive, economically devastating response by the Governor and Director of Public Health in that state.
So, I think that you meant "lost our sympathy for others", not empathy. Empathy means "personally knowing someone else's pain." Sympathy means "caring despite not personally knowing someone else's pain."
@TPM posted:You are very lucky that you are able to do that, not everyone is so fortunate.
Somewhere in all of this, we have lost our empathy for others.
I think Florida's response to the pandemic might be the best in the country. The statistics are great, especially given the older population skew. The Governor has taken the right approach to protect the vulnerable (unlike NY's Gov sending the sick back into nursing homes), to open up parts of the state that are not as impacted and showing empathy for both those that are at great risk if they were infected and those who need to work to save their businesses and feed their families. You are lucky to have that leadership in Florida! CT did ok, we start to open up on Wednesday.
And there are still people arguing Cuomo did a great job and Desantis did a poor job.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:And there are still people arguing Cuomo did a great job and Desantis did a poor job.
Of course. I read all blogs and papers and trust me that's the case. Surprisingly there is a HuffPo article today praising Newsome and crushing Cuomo.... Odd reporting going on all around. I have seen press trashing Georgia Governor and praising Colorado Governer and they have the same strategy.....Not sure why (sarc)...
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:I think Florida's response to the pandemic might be the best in the country. The statistics are great, especially given the older population skew. The Governor has taken the right approach to protect the vulnerable (unlike NY's Gov sending the sick back into nursing homes), to open up parts of the state that are not as impacted and showing empathy for both those that are at great risk if they were infected and those who need to work to save their businesses and feed their families. You are lucky to have that leadership in Florida! CT did ok, we start to open up on Wednesday.
The success to Florida belongs to the PEOPLE of florida who sheltered in place before the rest of the country, and to the MAYORS of the counties and cities who made the bars and restaurants close, and told everyone who didn't have a FL license to go back where they came from. Kudos to Disney, and the other theme parts to act quickly. DeSantis should have closed beaches ASAP, so it took city officials to get it done.
Then he took a while for DeSantis to recover from what hit him, county and city officials were begging him to stop the people from getting off ships and the planes coming from NY, NJ etc. Spring break in Florida was in full bloom.
Where I live, no outsider was allowed to use our facilities and then the city closed down our ammenties. Where I live it is against the law to enter any business without a mask. I have not heard one person complain.
We have a huge problem, Florida's unemployment system broke down. People can't get paid and are desperate. The system is old, our former governor (now a Senator) never did anything to update but DeSantis knew it and had time to install a new system. So he isn't very popular right now. It's going to take awhile for Florida to recover economically. A very long time.
The death toll as of today is only 1964 out of almost 45k cases. It could have been much worse.
@TPM posted:The success to Florida belongs to the PEOPLE of florida who sheltered in place before the rest of the country, and to the MAYORS of the counties and cities who made the bars and restaurants close, and told everyone who didn't have a FL license to go back where they came from. Kudos to Disney, and the other theme parts to act quickly. DeSantis should have closed beaches ASAP, so it took city officials to get it done.
Then he took a while for DeSantis to recover from what hit him, county and city officials were begging him to stop the people from getting off ships and the planes coming from NY, NJ etc. Spring break in Florida was in full bloom.
Where I live, no outsider was allowed to use our facilities and then the city closed down our ammenties. Where I live it is against the law to enter any business without a mask. I have not heard one person complain.
We have a huge problem, Florida's unemployment system broke down. People can't get paid and are desperate. The system is old, our former governor (now a Senator) never did anything to update but DeSantis knew it and had time to install a new system. So he isn't very popular right now. It's going to take awhile for Florida to recover economically. A very long time.
The death toll as of today is only 1964 out of almost 45k cases. It could have been much worse.
Hey, you live there and your opinion is first hand. From what I read and hear, I respectfully disagree only with your view that DeSantis is just a lucky beneficiary of everyone else. My folks are 30 year Florida residents and have a different view than yours, that's what makes a market.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:Hey, you live there and your opinion is first hand. From what I read and hear, I respectfully disagree only with your view that DeSantis is just a lucky beneficiary of everyone else. My folks are 30 year Florida residents and have a different view than yours, that's what makes a market.
Well if you are considering years as to who knows better, I have 14 more years on them.
South Florida AL, IL, (assisted living and independant living) acted quickly because they had a plan. Immediate lockdown. Can't speak for nursing homes, rehab hospitals but sure it's the same.
I live in a 55 + community and it was the city that closed us down not the governor and yes he is a lucky beneficiary of the success we had from the beginning. Out of approx 4k, where I live, there were 2 deaths.
@TPM posted:The success to Florida belongs to the PEOPLE of florida who sheltered in place before the rest of the country, and to the MAYORS of the counties and cities who made the bars and restaurants close, and told everyone who didn't have a FL license to go back where they came from. Kudos to Disney, and the other theme parts to act quickly. DeSantis should have closed beaches ASAP, so it took city officials to get it done.
Then he took a while for DeSantis to recover from what hit him, county and city officials were begging him to stop the people from getting off ships and the planes coming from NY, NJ etc. Spring break in Florida was in full bloom.
Where I live, no outsider was allowed to use our facilities and then the city closed down our ammenties. Where I live it is against the law to enter any business without a mask. I have not heard one person complain.
We have a huge problem, Florida's unemployment system broke down. People can't get paid and are desperate. The system is old, our former governor (now a Senator) never did anything to update but DeSantis knew it and had time to install a new system. So he isn't very popular right now. It's going to take awhile for Florida to recover economically. A very long time.
The death toll as of today is only 1964 out of almost 45k cases. It could have been much worse.
So everything that went wrong is his fault but everything that went right is due to someone else or just luck.
People are getting the federal unemployment which is more than double the state. It is a problem, but the economic damage from the shut down is far greater than the unemployment system.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:So everything that went wrong is his fault but everything that went right is due to someone else or just luck.
People are getting the federal unemployment which is more than double the state. It is a problem, but the economic damage from the shut down is far greater than the unemployment system.
The only way you get the federal unemployment (at least in Iowa) is if you applied for state benefits. So if you can't apply for state because the system is broken, you aren't getting anything.
Low death count doesn’t always mean the governor is doing a great job. Maine has a low case and death count. Not one healthy person has died. It’s been all elderly and people with other heath issues. The governor refuses to reopen the state.
She keeps saying she’s afraid if she opens the state Massachusetts people will flock here. Outside of Boston Massachusetts is opening tomorrow.
She’s abdicated almost all authority to the state CDC person. Of course, a health person wants to keep the state shut down. A third of the states jobs are hospitality or dependent on hospitality. Unemployment in Maine will be high for a long time.
As I read in an article government makes economic versus health decisions all the time. If they didn’t the speed limit would be 15 mph. As it is when this ends there will have been twice as many vehicle deaths in the state last year as COVID deaths this year. Do all vehicles need to be removed from the road until it’s safe to drive?
As for Cuomo and Wolf (PA) they should be constant headline news for how many people their decision making has killed. Anyone want to guess why they’re not and Kemp and DeSantis are heavily criticized?
The reason people on the left don’t believe the mainstream media is biased is because it’s giving them what they want to believe is true. Then they turn around and criticize any news source that contradicts what they want to believe is true as biased. Wake up folks! They’re ALL biased. You need to read both sides and decide what’s true yourself.
The articles to avoid are any that start with “Republicans want to kill people.” It’s sad the Post and the Times have sunk to where they print these articles. The “Gray Lady” (the Times) is often nothing more than a liberal rag.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:So everything that went wrong is his fault but everything that went right is due to someone else or just luck.
People are getting the federal unemployment which is more than double the state. It is a problem, but the economic damage from the shut down is far greater than the unemployment system.
While the rest of the country was reporting illnesses, people here told their famiies to come down. It was crazy. Spring breakers everywhere. I think people thought being here was ok. I thought that, I admit.
Broward has a huge influx in winter of Canadians, Trudea closed the border but told them to come home NOW. My friend had to quarantine 2 weeks. Meanwhile Florida still was welcoming spring breakers.
The long and the short of it was that the 3 major counties and their communities acted quickly, before the governor put anything into place. By that time hospitals were becoming overwhelmed. We have a great health care system in most of the state.
Broward is opening up, but communities are not allowing outsiders in to use facilities. The mayor of Broward will not allow gyms to open up as yet. Good for him.
Those are community and city rules, not DeSantis.
I don't know what that has to do with your last paragraph. You may not realize that there are actually people here in Florida that can't feed their children. This is especially true in Miami and in the smaller farming communities.
@RJM posted:As for Cuomo and Wolf (PA) they should be constant headline news for how many people their decision making has killed. Anyone want to guess why they’re not and Kemp and DeSantis are heavily criticized?
The reason people on the left don’t believe the mainstream media is biased is because it’s giving them what they want to believe is true. Then they turn around and criticize any news source that contradicts what they want to believe is true as biased. Wake up folks! They’re ALL biased. You need to read both sides and decide what’s true yourself.
The articles to avoid are any that start with “Republicans want to kill people.” It’s sad the Post and the Times have sunk to where they print these articles. The “Gray Lady” (the Times) is often nothing more than a liberal rag.
This is so true. Fortunately, it is getting harder to deny the facts and statistics, even liberal media outlets are now confounded by the failures of lauded governors and states that "did everything right" with their strict stay-at-home orders.
@Iowamom23 posted:The only way you get the federal unemployment (at least in Iowa) is if you applied for state benefits. So if you can't apply for state because the system is broken, you aren't getting anything.
Not how it works in FL. I know several people already getting their $600 but haven’t gotten their $278 or whatever it is
@TPM posted:While the rest of the country was reporting illnesses, people here told their famiies to come down. It was crazy. Spring breakers everywhere. I think people thought being here was ok. I thought that, I admit.
Broward has a huge influx in winter of Canadians, Trudea closed the border but told them to come home NOW. My friend had to quarantine 2 weeks. Meanwhile Florida still was welcoming spring breakers.
The long and the short of it was that the 3 major counties and their communities acted quickly, before the governor put anything into place. By that time hospitals were becoming overwhelmed. We have a great health care system in most of the state.
Broward is opening up, but communities are not allowing outsiders in to use facilities. The mayor of Broward will not allow gyms to open up as yet. Good for him.
Those are community and city rules, not DeSantis.
I don't know what that has to do with your last paragraph. You may not realize that there are actually people here in Florida that can't feed their children. This is especially true in Miami and in the smaller farming communities.
Again, so everything wrong is the governor’s fault and everything right he had no part of?
Im quite aware of people having difficulty feeding their families. My family has been volunteering weekly to donate and hand out food and meals to those who need it.
@Pedaldad posted:This is so true. Fortunately, it is getting harder to deny the facts and statistics, even liberal media outlets are now confounded by the failures of lauded governors and states that "did everything right" with their strict stay-at-home orders.
The article from VOX pedaldad posted would be amusing if it didn't impact the lives of so many Americans.
For example:
"Let’s spell that out. An R0 of 1 means that the average person with the coronavirus transmits it to about one additional person. Things won’t get exponentially worse, but nor will they start to improve. Over time, case numbers will stay relatively flat and “crushing the curve” will be out of reach. What this all adds up to is that, despite months of lockdown, case numbers are not going back down."
How much flatter can it get? An RO of 1 isn't flat? Huh? By flat do they mean 0?
And how abut this?
They wonder why CT, NJ and NY cases are dropping? It's because the virus spread way before the lockdown occurred. They at least give that conclusion a bit of consideration:
"A more discouraging explanation is that, since something like 15 percent of people in those states have now been exposed to the coronavirus, it’s easier to reduce transmission."
Duh! Isn't that how it works? Did they honestly think the virus was going to go away? Does the country live in a vacuum tube?
As I stated on one of these threads when this first started: I can't wait to see the FRONTLINE documentary on PBS a few years from now...
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@TerribleBPthrower posted:Not how it works in FL. I know several people already getting their $600 but haven’t gotten their $278 or whatever it is
The stimulus money was based on your adj gross income, with 1200 max per individual. Had nothing to do with state unemployment. If an individual received 600 they made a lot of money in 2019, 2018. I know of social security recipients still waiting for their stimulus check.
They haven't gotten their unemployment because of system crash and I know people still waiting for that.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Again, so everything wrong is the governor’s fault and everything right he had no part of?
Im quite aware of people having difficulty feeding their families. My family has been volunteering weekly to donate and hand out food and meals to those who need it.
Good that's what people should do. My husband works with Feed Broward and sends those in need, especially feeding homeless, vets and seniors. Unfortunetly his phone rings 24/7.
DeSantis is ok. He will come out good in the next election. That's all these guys care about.
You can't blame Cuomo. NYC population was overwhelmed. You have multiple families that live together. That created huge problems. But then again he, like others went with what the administration was telling us.
Just remember that we live in the same state but our counties are like different worlds. Martin County where you live as of today has had 321 cases and 7 deaths, Broward , where I live 6,243 cases and 279 deaths. That's like night and day, would you agree. So of course we will see things differently.
Also people and media need to stop freaking out and reporting CASES without looking at total testing. When you test more, you will have more cases because so many are asymptomatic and it's more widespread than thought. Just because there are cases doesn't mean every case is a hospitalization or death. Over 99% recovery rate, number of cases should be thrown out the window. Only look at positivity rate, hospitalizations, and deaths (specifically WHERE the deaths come from).
@James G posted:Also people and media need to stop freaking out and reporting CASES without looking at total testing. When you test more, you will have more cases because so many are asymptomatic and it's more widespread than thought. Just because there are cases doesn't mean every case is a hospitalization or death. Over 99% recovery rate, number of cases should be thrown out the window. Only look at positivity rate, hospitalizations, and deaths (specifically WHERE the deaths come from).
Additionally, there are asymptomatic C-19 positive individuals being tested multiple times. All these get reported to the state as new positives. I had multiple patients test positive more than once while waiting for surgery until they tested negative. One gentleman tested positive 3 weeks in a row before I could finally fix his broken ankle.
Re Cuomo ... He did nothing until mid March. He was fighting with DiBlasio who had the right to shut down NYC. Cuomo didn’t want it shut down. Cuomo ordered COVID infected elderly people back to nursing homes. It’s where a majority of the deaths occurred.
Cuomo sparred with Trump on who had the right to make decisions in his state. So, let’s not blame Trump after Cuomo demanded the right to make the decisions.
Cuomo was correct on who had the right. So it’s on him. The federal government can only advise the states. The only way Trump would have had authority would be had he declared national martial law.
At the federal level I don’t believe anything would have been different regardless of who’s president. The only thing Trump did wrong was let the daily pressers get out of control attacking the media. Obama would have coated COVID with some velvet smooth BS. The media would have fawned over him with hosannas while the numbers would have been the same.
The headlines would be .... “Trump kills a hundred thousand“ versus “Obama saves millions.”
@James G posted:Also people and media need to stop freaking out and reporting CASES without looking at total testing. When you test more, you will have more cases because so many are asymptomatic and it's more widespread than thought. Just because there are cases doesn't mean every case is a hospitalization or death. Over 99% recovery rate, number of cases should be thrown out the window. Only look at positivity rate, hospitalizations, and deaths (specifically WHERE the deaths come from).
I agree. In my county we had 42 new cases and 1 death, 23 more hospitalizations. Positive test rate is 8.5% as per Miami Herald.
Positive test rate keeps sliding downward in Florida.
Will be interesting to see what occurs in 2 weeks after Broward opens up.
@TPM posted:I agree. In my county we had 42 new cases and 1 death, 23 more hospitalizations. Positive test rate is 8.5% as per Miami Herald.
Positive test rate keeps sliding downward in Florida.
Will be interesting to see what occurs in 2 weeks after Broward opens up.
Broward is phase 1, correct? It really hasn’t been much different than what we were already doing. Phase 2 is starting everywhere else. Based on what I saw around town today it was more relaxed and open than what I’ve seen in 2 months. Everyone still had masks on and Home Depot was limiting people in parts of the store, but there was no line to get in and a lot more people out and about
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Broward is phase 1, correct? It really hasn’t been much different than what we were already doing. Phase 2 is starting everywhere else. Based on what I saw around town today it was more relaxed and open than what I’ve seen in 2 months. Everyone still had masks on and Home Depot was limiting people in parts of the store, but there was no line to get in and a lot more people out and about
Broward and Dade go into phase 1 tomorrow. Palm Beach requested and was given executive order to open last week.
Hawaii. Tourist have to quarantine for 14 days. Hotels give out one-time-use key. If you need back in your room they know you've been out. Authorities arrest. Thay have kept cases really low. To what ends? What have they accomplished? Proved if you lock down you can reduce/eliminate the spread. Great, what now for a state that counts on tourists? Come spend two weeks in our beautiful hotel rooms.
Coronavirus is here. We may never find a vaccine for it. So what next? Get on with life or hide in place.
Well, some of the hotel rooms are pretty nice.
I think it is likely the Cal State closure is reversed, it is May 18 and still early but the numbers seems positive, the people in Disease control and so forth can only lie for so long the facts are slowly coming out, the media can only protect a lie for so long and they are about out of ammo....I think it is close to even money.
if California wants to stay closed for the fall go for it, as long as the rest of the country can do what they want. It is possible that Jersey and New York follow suit...again have it folks enjoy choking on your fake pandemic just stay the hell away from the rest of us.
@old_school posted:I think it is likely the Cal State closure is reversed, it is May 18 and still early but the numbers seems positive, the people in Disease control and so forth can only lie for so long the facts are slowly coming out, the media can only protect a lie for so long and they are about out of ammo....I think it is close to even money.
if California wants to stay closed for the fall go for it, as long as the rest of the country can do what they want. It is possible that Jersey and New York follow suit...again have it folks enjoy choking on your fake pandemic just stay the hell away from the rest of us.
Both my kids will be in college in Massachusetts in the fall. My son's school says they will be on campus with different learning modalities. He has already filled out his housing application, selected his roommate (baseball teammate of course) but Freshman dorms are assigned. My daughter's school yesterday says they will make the call in July and it's highly likely all kids won't be on campus, everyone will be required to wear masks, social distancing will be in place but full learning plans are not baked yet. They have frozen dorm selection I suspect until they have a plan. Her school, Holy Cross, is Fauci's undergrad..... I don't quite know what it all means but maybe they bring in freshmen, athletes, and perhaps seniors? To your point its only May 18th and as facts become clearer I hope they open up a bit more at Holy Cross. I would hate for her to learn remotely another semester, she is a sophomore. I wonder if they will have fall sports too if this is there stance now.
I certainly will be seeking a substantial tuition discount under this scenario.