I saw the sports part on ABC7 LA News.
https://www.mercurynews.com/co...arning-for-fall-2020
“Unless they're in full mode with dormitories and housing and all of the other facilities are open, we won't have college athletics," Thompson said on April 21. "We will not have college athletics until the campuses are open."
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My son's college came out yesterday stating they will be open in the fall with "flexible-learning options include preparing for a variety of learning modalities—online, face to face, and a blend of the two. We plan for students to have the flexibility to move between online and face-to-face options as the situation unfolds". That description is probably purposefully a tad vague but face to face to me means they will be on campus as its not a commuter college. I see in the first linked article that Stanford plans to onboard Freshman in the fall, at a minimum, which I think is a good thing if doable.
When Cal State posts the fall tuition schedule someone needs to analyze and post the tuition reductions!
https://www.barstoolsports.com...ener-against-alabama
Like my dad said, he doesn't know a thing about Covid-19 (just like everyone else). But he does know what it looks like when you let some of the horses out of the barn, but not all. The ones left in the barn start to get really pissed and ornery. As other states continue to reopen, athletes and students report to campus, Californians and others that had their states stay closed are going to be pissed.
BTW, in GA we are nearing the end of our third week of the re-open, numbers of new cases (even with large increases in testing)and deaths continue to decline.
Schools scheduled to play California schools are already looking at other options. The world won't stop, but California may be spectators.
Any chance the NCAA lets the athletes transfer and play immediately if their schools are not playing?
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Any chance the NCAA lets the athletes transfer and play immediately if their schools are not playing?
It's hard to think of something dumber for NCAA to do, so there's always a chance.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Any chance the NCAA lets the athletes transfer and play immediately if their schools are not playing?
There is a small chance on May 20th, but it is doubtful. The one time transfer exception was to be a foregone conclusion. But at the NCAA meeting on April 24th, the NCAA elected to table the vote until January 2021 in light of the chaos of our response to the pandemic. I think they saw this problem coming. Even if they allowed on-time transfer, there would still be a number of hurdles to overcome.
Just a few problems would be as follows: They still have the rule of 25-initials. Meaning no school can have more than 25 players in their first year at the school on scholarship. Second, the mass exodus from PAC schools would leave little landing room for those exiting. Third, who would transfer in o a PAC school under this scenario.
Pac -12 coaches and John Franklin at Penn State are openly pushing for uniform start dates. As Finebaum said, this sport is survival of the fittest and those that can play are going to move forward without those that can't.
Mark Emmert has already stated that The NCAA won't mandate a uniform start date for football. The SEC is going to play, maybe without Tennessee, The BIG12 is going to play, Clemson is going to play, FSU is going to play, many other mid-majors like App State and South Florida are going to play.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:My son's college came out yesterday stating they will be open in the fall with "flexible-learning options include preparing for a variety of learning modalities—online, face to face, and a blend of the two. We plan for students to have the flexibility to move between online and face-to-face options as the situation unfolds". That description is probably purposefully a tad vague but face to face to me means they will be on campus as its not a commuter college. I see in the first linked article that Stanford plans to onboard Freshman in the fall, at a minimum, which I think is a good thing if doable.
When Cal State posts the fall tuition schedule someone needs to analyze and post the tuition reductions!
Friend of mine has a daughter at San Diego State, their fees are increasing. Quick search on their website confirms. It would be difficult to justify the expense for undergraduate work without the "campus experience." Anyone can take online classes at a community college for FREE!
Things like this explain why California is perpetually bankrupt. Maybe they should sit back and let others take the lead here.
Feel bad for the kids.
@Pedaldad posted:There is a small chance on May 20th, but it is doubtful. The one time transfer exception was to be a foregone conclusion. But at the NCAA meeting on April 24th, the NCAA elected to table the vote until January 2021 in light of the chaos of our response to the pandemic. I think they saw this problem coming. Even if they allowed on-time transfer, there would still be a number of hurdles to overcome.
Just a few problems would be as follows: They still have the rule of 25-initials. Meaning no school can have more than 25 players in their first year at the school on scholarship. Second, the mass exodus from PAC schools would leave little landing room for those exiting. Third, who would transfer in o a PAC school under this scenario.
Pac -12 coaches and John Franklin at Penn State are openly pushing for uniform start dates. As Finebaum said, this sport is survival of the fittest and those that can play are going to move forward without those that can't.
Mark Emmert has already stated that The NCAA won't mandate a uniform start date for football. The SEC is going to play, maybe without Tennessee, The BIG12 is going to play, Clemson is going to play, FSU is going to play, many other mid-majors like App State and South Florida are going to play.
Why are you saying with the University of Tennessee? They have put out that all of their campuses will open in the fall.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Any chance the NCAA lets the athletes transfer and play immediately if their schools are not playing?
What happens if you transfer and your new school shuts down?
@PitchingFan posted:Why are you saying with the University of Tennessee? They have put out that all of their campuses will open in the fall.
It was just a little sarcasm because Sen. Lamar Alexander started the conversation with Dr. Fauci yesterday by asking if a vaccine would be ready in time for students to return to UT in the Fall. May not have gotten the answer that he was hoping for.
@baseballhs posted:Things like this explain why California is perpetually bankrupt. Maybe they should sit back and let others take the lead here.
Feel bad for the kids.
When Arnold left California was facing a 27 billion dollar deficit. Jerry Brown balanced 8 straight budgets, and left with a 6 billion surplus. Maybe Washington should take the lead from California.
@MTH posted:When Arnold left California was facing a 27 billion dollar deficit. Jerry Brown balanced 8 straight budgets, and left with a 6 billion surplus. Maybe Washington should take the lead from California.
Most stares have balanced budget amendments. How much of the debt balancing is one the back of CalPers (IOUs) ? States do accounting tricks that would get a normal accountant thrown in jail.
“CalPers debt now stands at an all-time high $146 billion, an average of more than $11,000 per California household.”
This is more than the annual tax revenue generated.
There is a diagnostic, instant result, at-home spit test in late stage development. Described as analogous to a pregnancy test.
While not a therapeutic or vaccine, this could be a testing breakthrough and cut through the gordian knot of the raging two issues: confidence and safety.
With the pace of diagnostic test development (4 months ago nothing, 3 months ago nasal swab, 45 days ago instant, 30 days ago saliva, last week better instant, today at-home saliva [sent to a lab]), waiting until the last moment to make a decision on postponing school seems prudent. What that last moment is may be different to each organization, tho.
In scientific time we're traveling faster than light speed; in plague time, it is one grain of sand at a time to fill a bucket.
If anyone thinks (in California especially) that the ivory tower liberal elites will be closing campuses this fall think again......they need to be indoctrinating their future voters-especially in an election year!
DesertDuck, please let's not go there!!!!
And yet he did. Dog whistle much?
Apparently they have not made a decision about football, and the number of classes that will be held in person is not determined either. One story:
https://www.fresnobee.com/spor...rticle242693111.html
...But the Mountain West Conference and presidents from its three members in the CSU system released a statement through the league on Tuesday that no decisions on a football season or any other fall sports have been made at this point.
“Certainly, all conversations are led by academics, as well as public health and safety,” they said, in the statement. “Within that framework, more determinations are necessary. All three institutions will work closely with the Mountain West. No decisions on athletics have been made.”
The statement was signed by Fresno State President Joseph I. Castro, San Diego State President Adela de la Torre, San Jose State President Mary Papazian and Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson.
Fresno State athletics director Terry Tumey also released a statement Tuesday evening: “Within the framework presented by the California State University Chancellor’s office, and in collaboration with our university leadership, Fresno State athletics continues to evaluate all opportunities related to the resumption of athletics in advance of the fall 2020 competitive seasons,” he said.
“Our university president, Dr. Joseph Castro, had previously announced the formation of a Fall 2020 Planning Task Force which is continuing to thoroughly analyze multiple alternative scenarios related to the fall 2020 semester, including the resumption of athletic activities. The task force is expected to make an announcement regarding instruction for the fall 2020 term as we move forward.
“Until then, we continue to operate the Department of Athletics and prepare for the upcoming competitive seasons in a manner consistent with our University’s mission to boldly educate and empower students for success.”
Fresno State in a separate statement following the CSU announcement that it was closing campuses to in-person classes in the fall said that its Fall 2020 Planning Task Force was evaluating operational needs on campus, including athletics. It will forward recommendations to Castro by May 22, and an announcement about the fall semester will be made in June.
@Goosegg posted:There is a diagnostic, instant result, at-home spit test in late stage development. Described as analogous to a pregnancy test.
While not a therapeutic or vaccine, this could be a testing breakthrough and cut through the gordian knot of the raging two issues: confidence and safety.
With the pace of diagnostic test development (4 months ago nothing, 3 months ago nasal swab, 45 days ago instant, 30 days ago saliva, last week better instant, today at-home saliva [sent to a lab]), waiting until the last moment to make a decision on postponing school seems prudent. What that last moment is may be different to each organization, tho.
In scientific time we're traveling faster than light speed; in plague time, it is one grain of sand at a time to fill a bucket.
This x 100
Both my son & I had a rough cough week of Mar 20.
Wife & I were sleeping 10+ hrs/day that entire week (normally get by with 7) and were exhausted.
Wife had 2 toes on her right foot swell up and turn red for 3 days, then overnight they were fine.
The uncertainty vs any other illness we have faced as a common issue is one of hardest parts of dealing with this. Am I immune? Am I at risk? Can I spread it to high risk individuals? These unknowns are what frustrate me and, I believe, the majority of us.
@Goosegg posted:There is a diagnostic, instant result, at-home spit test in late stage development. Described as analogous to a pregnancy test.
While not a therapeutic or vaccine, this could be a testing breakthrough and cut through the gordian knot of the raging two issues: confidence and safety.
With the pace of diagnostic test development (4 months ago nothing, 3 months ago nasal swab, 45 days ago instant, 30 days ago saliva, last week better instant, today at-home saliva [sent to a lab]), waiting until the last moment to make a decision on postponing school seems prudent. What that last moment is may be different to each organization, tho.
In scientific time we're traveling faster than light speed; in plague time, it is one grain of sand at a time to fill a bucket.
My understanding is that any tests done have to be verified by a qualified lab, as you stated.
I had a test this morning. I didn't need to have one but there are companies with labs out there who are using large communities to help them to develop testing techniques that probably will have to be used for schools, jobs, etc. But is really need are more antibody tests.
Unfortunetly I have a deviated septum so it did bring tears to my eyes!
The state of Indiana randomly tested people across the state, either for active infection or antibodies, and found that 2.8% of people had been or were currently infected.
https://fox59.com/news/coronav...-efforts-in-indiana/
Interestingly, 45% of the people who were or had been positive had had no symptoms at all.
I saw a study out of Spain and France that indicated 5% or less of their populations had been infected at any point. Less than 10% even in hot spots like Paris. 65% plus is needed foe "herd immunity " to take effect. That means we are a long way from this thing running it's course unfortunately.
Re: immunity.
First (and foremost) while most virus experts EXPECT some degree of immunity to be conferred after infection (whether asymptomatic or symptomatic), no one has published any peer reviewed paper on the extent/duration. But, we are proceeding on the minimum assumption that at least partial immunity is conferred for a certain - as yet undefined - period. (Also, I think we all would have heard by now of reinfections; while there was some hint of reinfections a few months ago, that was before better antibody tests and protocols had been developed.)
Second, in diseases with R values as high as Corona, the general mathamatical equation of determing what was needed to reach natural (non-vaccine created) herd immunity lead to a belief that 60 - 70% of a population needed to be infected. (This also ignored the "overshoot" issue when herd immunity is achieved through infection - a topic for another day.) In a few non-peer reviewed papers, some theories have emerged that herd immunity achieved through vaccination could be reached at a significantly lower percentages by using well-known public health approaches - basically vaccinating the vulnerable. (Of course, we need to get the vaccine to test the theory.) But what is becoming crystal clear is that no country or region (e.g., NYC), no matter how hard hit, is remotely close to herd immunity - even Sweden which is now 7th in the world and rising in per capita deaths.
Also, a consensus is starting to narrow the range of the IFR (infection fatality rate). Most experts I read place the IFR between .8% to 1.2%. These huge serology studies are used to refine the IFR. (Flu has a CFR (case fatality rate) of app .1% and an IFR of .05% [because flu also has a significant asymptomatic presence which reduces the IFR].)
We have a three legged stool: testing, treating, vaccine. Advances are coming quickly on all three, but if an at-home, cheap, reliable, instant diagnostic test comes to fruition, schools can develop plans on what would come next.
Treatments are still weak, with only Gilead's drug showing modest results in severe cases; results on mild cases treated with Remdesivir are expected soon. Plasma antibody treatment results are also expected soon. As we all know, vaccines take a while longer, but with over 100 candidates in the pipeline, we have hopes.
The Indiana study showed an infected fatality rate (IFR) of 0.58%. That makes it six to twelve times worse than influenza.
Riddle me this please. CDC, WHO have documented that influenza is far more deadly to children than coronavirus. Influenza vaccine is given to children and has a effective rate about 50%. They are allowed in schools with no masks or social distancing for decades.
Now we have coronavirus that is almost zero risk to children. There is no conclusive study (and there have been a lot so far in the other countries that have returned to school) that show kids transmit it to adults at a rate that is really concerning. Studies show kids certainly get can get it (most asymptomatic) and can probably pass it with viral loads, but it's almost never.
But now we have to shut schools down? What has happened?
@anotherparent posted:The Indiana study showed an infected fatality rate (IFR) of 0.58%. That makes it six to twelve times worse than influenza.
That is consistent with NY, correct?
@Pedaldad posted:There is a small chance on May 20th, but it is doubtful. The one time transfer exception was to be a foregone conclusion. But at the NCAA meeting on April 24th, the NCAA elected to table the vote until January 2021 in light of the chaos of our response to the pandemic. I think they saw this problem coming. Even if they allowed on-time transfer, there would still be a number of hurdles to overcome.
Just a few problems would be as follows: They still have the rule of 25-initials. Meaning no school can have more than 25 players in their first year at the school on scholarship. Second, the mass exodus from PAC schools would leave little landing room for those exiting. Third, who would transfer in o a PAC school under this scenario.
Pac -12 coaches and John Franklin at Penn State are openly pushing for uniform start dates. As Finebaum said, this sport is survival of the fittest and those that can play are going to move forward without those that can't.
Mark Emmert has already stated that The NCAA won't mandate a uniform start date for football. The SEC is going to play, maybe without Tennessee, The BIG12 is going to play, Clemson is going to play, FSU is going to play, many other mid-majors like App State and South Florida are going to play.
But at the NCAA meeting on April 24th, the NCAA elected to table the vote until January 2021 in light of the chaos they created with their knee jerk reaction to grant an extra year of eligibility to all spring athletes.
Flu is a well known, well studied disease. With species jumping virus' literally nothing is known before, and much is learned when it emerges. Alot of that preliminary data is unsupported (duh, because there isnt any data of great depth. That emerges over time). So, better to proceed with caution until the virus reveals its secrets.
To say that Corona effects on children are understood simply misstates what is known. In fact, we are all learning in real time of these cases of Kawasaki-like symptoms in children (all over the world). Many of these symptoms are emerging AFTER the virus is resolving. But in NY, 100/100 children who displayed this new symptom either currently had Corona or had the antibodies.
While it does appear the fatality rate for young children is way, way lower than the at-risk group, we simply dont know about things like this symptom or about lingering side-effects. Given a few more months, more data will emerge, more hypothesis will be proven/disproven, more treatment will be approved.
So, I have no idea on the effects on kids.
While i dont accept that kids aren't transmitting the disease to adults, I accept for argument that your point that there is no conclusive study on children transmission is valid. So, when addressing a novel disease is it better to learn first, or simply take the action and learn afterwards?
Of course, it's fortunate kids can drive themselves to school, fix their hot lunches, teach themselves all without adults, etc. Only being facetious here; but, if the adults who make schooling possible are representative of our fellow citizens, 50% of those adults have comorbidities. What about them?
I am not saying keep elementary and HS shut. How can we get back to work without this child care option?
I am saying that if I were planning I'd plan for both scenarios - distance learning (with all its problems) and an open school. I also think on this issue, region by region is the way to go and, it's way too early to make a pre-college open/distance determination in May. A kid in NYC who rides public transit to school and sits in a class of 35 has a different situation from, eg, my kids who were driven and had super small classes.
Who knows where we will be at Labor Day; let the data develop and see where it leads.
But to be sure, economically and for the country's competitive world position, we need our kids to be back in the classroom.
PS I'm reading a book "The Great Influenza" by John Barry, written in 2004. While I found the first 200 pages dry as dirt (that part laid a broad foundation for what comes later), the book is a great read of the 1918 pandemic. So much of what were arguing about was also argued back then.)
My opinion is that the adults have to assess their own risk and make a decision. If they are relatively healthy and under 70, there is almost zero risk to them to be at school same as before. My opinion is kids and adults can and should be back without any restrictions because the data right NOW suggests they can. I don't believe in putting an entire generation of kids behind because "we just don't know" now. I think there is enough data out there that shows this.
People have to realize 99% will recover. If you get it, you have almost certainty you will be fine. Not the media driven narrative that it's a death sentence. I believe that the 1% population heavily at risk should think about avoiding most of the population when they can, government should do everything possible to assist them. As it was noted in the Senate today, this may be like some other diseases where it's here forever. Have to live with it and help those most affected, not restrict the majority that isn't. I also think most Americans would prefer this too, kids go without masks and carry on.
@anotherparent posted:The state of Indiana randomly tested people across the state, either for active infection or antibodies, and found that 2.8% of people had been or were currently infected.
https://fox59.com/news/coronav...-efforts-in-indiana/
Interestingly, 45% of the people who were or had been positive had had no symptoms at all.
I do believe that's why they want to test and should test. You can have the virus and be asymptomatic.
100% agree, James G.
@James G posted:My opinion is that the adults have to assess their own risk and make a decision. If they are relatively healthy and under 70, there is almost zero risk to them to be at school same as before. My opinion is kids and adults can and should be back without any restrictions because the data right NOW suggests they can. I don't believe in putting an entire generation of kids behind because "we just don't know" now. I think there is enough data out there that shows this.
People have to realize 99% will recover. If you get it, you have almost certainty you will be fine. Not the media driven narrative that it's a death sentence. I believe that the 1% population heavily at risk should think about avoiding most of the population when they can, government should do everything possible to assist them. As it was noted in the Senate today, this may be like some other diseases where it's here forever. Have to live with it and help those most affected, not restrict the majority that isn't. I also think most Americans would prefer this too, kids go without masks and carry on.
I read 80% who contract COVID experience a mild case.
@James G posted:People have to realize 99% will recover. If you get it, you have almost certainty you will be fine. Not the media driven narrative that it's a death sentence. I believe that the 1% population heavily at risk should think about avoiding most of the population when they can, government should do everything possible to assist them.
40% of Americans over the age of 20 are obese. 10% have diabetes, 33% have high blood pressure, 5% have COPD, 8% have asthma, 49% have heart disease, 15% have kidney disease. 13% are over the age of 65. Who is not high-risk?
It seems to be true that only .6% of people who get it will die. But it is NOT 1% of the population who are at risk. So, do you shelter those 50% of the population listed above, who are at high risk?
Well absolutely wouldn't shelter 50% if you think they are at risk. You answered your own question. If only .6% will die, you don't shelter anybody. Nobody should be sheltered now anywhere. Everyone should be able to be free and do what they please. Just wash your hands and use common sense. Everything should be open as normal. Never new normal.
Our businesses are open and many are very busy.
I am free and doing what I please. I work from home, wear a mask in public, don't go into crowded restaurants, order my groceries online and have them placed in my trunk by an employee who wears a mask and gloves. I have a small social circle (about three people who are not related to me) that I see in person. As more information emerges about how to do things safely, we will evolve. That, I'm sorry to tell you, is normal for many people.
Trying to determine my personal criteria for a hair cut and pedicure.
I don’t know if it is quite so simple for schools and day cares - if teachers get sick and are out for two+ weeks each (and even a mildly sick or asymptomatic teacher would need to stay home for that long, not to mention if their own families get sick) you would need to find a qualified substitute to take over. Admittedly, if all of us HS teachers spend the summer designing online courses (what else do I have to do without baseball?) you could warehouse students in a room with laptops and a proctor and let them learn physics/math/chemistry/??? until teachers get well and return. Not so different from what the kids are doing now- at least they’d have company. However, that approach wouldn’t work as well for preschool and elementary school teachers. What they do is harder to replace.
Wearing masks is not normal, nor is it recommended by the CDC. That's awesome you can do that, maybe based on your state. For others- no going to restaurants, restaurants doing curbside are going under. No salons, barbers, daycares, park districts, pet groomers, gyms. Those who try to open are shut down by police. No summer camps, and education is in front of a computer for 2 hours a day. Nothing of that is normal nor should it be. We absolutely can and should go back to pre-covid life. Everyone is just afraid.
I honestly think the mask thing is just to look like they have a plan. If you look on the cdc website, it will show that study after study shows no difference with wearing a mask vs. not.
