Can a player who strikes out get an RBI?

No RBI

Ron welcome to the site first of all. Secondly we have a forum devoted just for scoring questions such as this.

As for your question that would be a no. He has to actually do something that brings the runner in. In this case the defense did all the work.

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Can a player who strikes out get an RBI?

Yes...eventually!





Welcome aboard the HSBBW RC.


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No RBI -
Runs batted in - the operative word is batted. Runner advanced on a PB or E.

The answer is no in this case, but a hitter does not have to hit or "bat" a ball to get an RBI. ie. walk with the bases loaded is an RBI.

Typically there is no RBI. However, with the bases loaded, and two out, if the batter-runner reaches safely on an uncaught third strike, the runner at third is forced home.

In OBR, this is arguably a RBI. 10.04(a)(2) says: "run batted in for every run that scores.... by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (because of a base on balls, an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball or for interference or obstruction)". It depends on whether you think the list of examples is all-inclusive.

In FED and NCAA, by letter of the rule, it is a RBI. 9-3-5 and 10.9: " A run batted in is credited to the batter when a runner scores because of....a forced advance, such as for a base on balls or batter being hit;"

IMO, the batter is just as deserving on a D3K as he is on a HBP, so I would score it a RBI when it occurs with bases loaded and two out.

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Like I said...eventually!

Thanks for the explanation 3FG.

There is no possibility of an RBI.

When a runner occupies first base, there is no dropped third strike rule in effect and the batter is out regardless. If a runner scores from third on the drop, it is because of a wild pitch or passed ball depending how it is scored. Again, no rbi. If first base is unoccupied and a man is on third, and the 3rd strike is dropped, if the runner on third should happen to score on the throw down to first it is either because of a passed ball or wild pitch depending on how it is scored. Again, no rbi. The only possible rbi where the batter does not hit the ball with his bat is on a walk or hbp with bases loaded as has been previously stated.

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Well sometimes eventually takes a long time.

Thanks for the explanation CD.


RBI?...


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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
There is no possibility of an RBI.

When a runner occupies first base, there is no dropped third strike rule in effect and the batter is out regardless.

Except with two out...then the dropped third strike is in play.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
There is no possibility of an RBI.

When a runner occupies first base, there is no dropped third strike rule in effect and the batter is out regardless.

Except with two out...then the dropped third strike is in play.

Didn't think it was necessary to mention that scenario. If the catcher throws the guy out at first, there are three outs and hence no rbi. If the catcher should throw errantly, it is an error an hence no rbi. If the ball gets past the catcher with two outs and the run scores while the batter is safe it goes back to the scenarios I described above. It is either ruled as a pass ball or wild pitch and alas no rbi.

Look, if people want to find bogus reasons to bolster someone's stats then...

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I wasn't trying to bolster anyone's stats CD...I was merely trying to find instances where the word eventually could be used.

Thanks for the example of bogus and bolster being used in the same sentence.


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Regarding a runner forced in by a D3K:

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
It is either ruled as a pass ball or wild pitch and alas no rbi.

Look, if people want to find bogus reasons to bolster someone's stats then...

The tone of your post suggests that you're quite sure that there can be no RBI on a WP or PB. Maybe you're so sure that you haven't checked the rule book?

My son's a pitcher-- I don't want to bolster any batter's stats.

3FG,

This is probably a dumb question, but what does D3K mean?

D3K means "dropped third strike".

I feel so smart today, I new something PG did not! I think I can go home now, my work day is done!



I agree that there is no RBI here. Runner moves from 2nd to 3rd on what is either a WP or PB, scores on the E2 throw. Batter reaches on one of WP, PB or E2, depending on how the scorekeeper evaluated the play.

A similar situation would occur with bases loaded and a catcher's interference call. E-2, no RBI on the play.

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
D3K means "dropped third strike".

I feel so smart today, I new something PG did not! I think I can go home now, my work day is done!

Looks like someone has been practicing texting on their phone!

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
A similar situation would occur with bases loaded and a catcher's interference call. E-2, no RBI on the play.

But it is a RBI. Look, I'll quote the rule again with some prettier formatting:

10.04a The official scorer shall credit the batter with a run batted in for every run that scores
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(2) by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (because of a base on balls, an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball or for interference or obstruction); ....

Note that catcher's interference is the only kind of interference that: a) the defense can commit, and b) could force in a run. [Edited to add that umpire's interference could also force in a run.]

I don't think that's intended. It's certainly never credited that way.

You might want to check your case book to see if this example is in there anywhere.

RBI are typically not granted on E's unless the run would have scored had the play been properly made. Example: Grounder to SS, runner comes home from third, play made to 1st but wild throw allows batter to reach. If 2 outs prior to the play, no RBI; if 0 or 1 out, you get an RBI because even if the play had been made, the run would've gotten in on an FC-6.

On a CI, it's unusual in that no official AB is charged but all advances are on an error. The runner's advance home is purely the product of the error and not anything the batter did.

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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
D3K means "dropped third strike".

I feel so smart today, I new something PG did not! I think I can go home now, my work day is done!

Midlo, There are lots of things you know that I don't! I can guarantee that!

BTW, is that D3K the correct way to log that in a scorebook in every case? Or is it correct to use WP3K or PB3K?

3FG,

You're definitely one of the smartest people who post here on this site, but I believe you're fighting a losing battle on this one!

For the bases loaded catcher's inteference situation, it really is a RBI.
Check out this link, which purports to list for 1957-2007 the bases-loaded CI situations. I only checked the first 12 games, but in 11 of those the batter was credited with an RBI, according to my cyphering. What about the one that wasn't? Well, even MLB scorekeepers can make a mistake....

I haven't searched yet on a bases loaded D3K. By the way, I don't know if scorekeepers commonly use the abreviation D3K. Posters on the baseball rules message boards do, though.

Gentlemen - please read the original question. It is a PB and an E - thus NO RBI.

Midlo is 100% correct.