@PitchingFan posted:So who wins the National Championship? SEC or Clemson?
Trevor Lawrence. 1st pic in 2021 draft.
@TPM posted:Trevor Lawrence. 1st pic in 2021 draft.
How many teams do you think tank it this year to try to get him? I bet there will be at least a few teams that start 0-6 or 0-7
@3and2Fastball posted:I remain extremely hopeful for a 2021 College Baseball season. I think it can, and will, happen.
Hoping so also. Seeing some of the larger states and other areas of the country play ball this summer, hoping that provides some feedback to those making decisions in the college ranks.
But outside of another large wave next spring, what would be reason to not have a baseball season? Someone asked me this and I didn't have a real answer for them. If we have large national tournaments happening in states like Florida, Georgia, and Texas and there are PG, PBR, Future Stars, Area Code, and other similar type of events going on across the country and we haven't heard of any mass outbreak due to those events, what would cause the 2021 season to get cancelled? The travel associated with college baseball?
I know nothing is normal and not a whole lot of things don't make sense right now, but just trying to figure out what the thought process is. One of the ones that still blows my mind is canceling golf seasons. Golf has been the one sport that really never shut down through all this but fall college golf seasons are being canceled. Don't get that.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:How many teams do you think tank it this year to try to get him? I bet there will be at least a few teams that start 0-6 or 0-7
Oddly enough bad teams in the NFL have already drafted QBs in the past year or two. Looking at projected standings, it's possible he won't be needed by any of the worst 10 teams. Somebody would likely have to trade up to the 1 or 2 spot to get him. Could see TB, NO, or Denver going that route.
@ARCEKU21 posted:Hoping so also. Seeing some of the larger states and other areas of the country play ball this summer, hoping that provides some feedback to those making decisions in the college ranks.
But outside of another large wave next spring, what would be reason to not have a baseball season? Someone asked me this and I didn't have a real answer for them. If we have large national tournaments happening in states like Florida, Georgia, and Texas and there are PG, PBR, Future Stars, Area Code, and other similar type of events going on across the country and we haven't heard of any mass outbreak due to those events, what would cause the 2021 season to get cancelled? The travel associated with college baseball?
I know nothing is normal and not a whole lot of things don't make sense right now, but just trying to figure out what the thought process is. One of the ones that still blows my mind is canceling golf seasons. Golf has been the one sport that really never shut down through all this but fall college golf seasons are being canceled. Don't get that.
My fear is that some conferences will play and others will not. This will cause the NCAA to cancel the CWS. We really need the NCAA basketball tournament to happen. The NCAA needs it to happen and so do the schools. If that gets cancelled, then college baseball is probably in big trouble.
@ARCEKU21 posted:Hoping so also. Seeing some of the larger states and other areas of the country play ball this summer, hoping that provides some feedback to those making decisions in the college ranks.
But outside of another large wave next spring, what would be reason to not have a baseball season? Someone asked me this and I didn't have a real answer for them. If we have large national tournaments happening in states like Florida, Georgia, and Texas and there are PG, PBR, Future Stars, Area Code, and other similar type of events going on across the country and we haven't heard of any mass outbreak due to those events, what would cause the 2021 season to get cancelled? The travel associated with college baseball?
I know nothing is normal and not a whole lot of things don't make sense right now, but just trying to figure out what the thought process is. One of the ones that still blows my mind is canceling golf seasons. Golf has been the one sport that really never shut down through all this but fall college golf seasons are being canceled. Don't get that.
College baseball is not a revenue generating sport (with the exception of SEC schools, some ACC, and a few other outliers). College baseball (and other spring sports) are dependent on football and basketball to generate the revenue to fund their seasons. If football & basketball aren’t played (or the schedule is reduced) the revenue drop will impact the entire athletic department, and this is already happening. Schools that have cancelled football are forecasting their athletic budget problems and making cuts - cancelling seasons in other sports and even eliminating programs. PAC12 & BIG10 made colossal mistake IMO by pulling the plug early and expecting other P5 conferences to follow suit.
I believe the best thing that can happen is for the SEC, ACC, and B12 to be able to play a full football season then the others will regret their decisions and have to jump on board full blast. If they play a championship game this fall for football, then baseball will be ok. The problem for some of the schools is that if football doesn't play then they will not be able to afford for baseball to play. But for those that football does play they will have the money for baseball and the NCAA will be in trouble trying to figure out what to do. If the big boys play, then the CWS will go on with or without some of the schools.
@PABaseball posted:Oddly enough bad teams in the NFL have already drafted QBs in the past year or two. Looking at projected standings, it's possible he won't be needed by any of the worst 10 teams. Somebody would likely have to trade up to the 1 or 2 spot to get him. Could see TB, NO, or Denver going that route.
I think you are right but what happens if they don't play? Or what happens if there is no college football?
@PABaseball posted:Oddly enough bad teams in the NFL have already drafted QBs in the past year or two. Looking at projected standings, it's possible he won't be needed by any of the worst 10 teams. Somebody would likely have to trade up to the 1 or 2 spot to get him. Could see TB, NO, or Denver going that route.
The team with the best potential to tank and most likely to tank for Lawrence would be the Jags. If Stafford gets injured again the Lions would be a contender to tank. The Panthers would throw Bridgewater under the bus in a second for Lawrence.
@adbono posted:PAC12 & BIG10 made colossal mistake IMO by pulling the plug early and expecting other P5 conferences to follow suit.
Yes they did. And it is mayhem on some of the campuses. Take away what’s good and wholesome. Allow mayhem.
I'd assume that the difference between summer travel baseball and college is that (a) summer travel is almost entirely outside, whereas colleges have weight rooms, indoor facilities, dorms, dining halls, group travel, etc. that they are more worried about, and (b) summer travel teams are probably not dealing with the kinds of liability claims that colleges are, at least for scholarship athletes who are, in fact, getting tuition paid for in return for playing a sport (or putting themselves at risk), which is a very murky thing, as we all know.
I'd put real money down that there will be some College baseball this Spring, but probably won't be everywhere. For instance, I am sure that most of the Southeast will have it. They already started to play HS football games in some states.
@RJM posted:The team with the best potential to tank and most likely to tank for Lawrence would be the Jags. If Stafford gets injured again the Lions would be a contender to tank. The Panthers would throw Bridgewater under the bus in a second for Lawrence.
The Jags were the team I was thinking that would take him, but they were projected to be the 11th pick by the site I looked at. I think they'll stink, I just don't know if they'll stink enough to get a top 5 pick. Lions were another, but Stafford has 4 more years under contract and he's the least of their problems. Panthers could go 3-13, they could be a playoff team.
Tanking might not be enough considering the way Miami and Cincinnati play on a regular basis. Unless the Jags end up with the first overall pick, I would expect it to take a very big trade to get to the 1 spot.
@PABaseball posted:The Jags were the team I was thinking that would take him, but they were projected to be the 11th pick by the site I looked at. I think they'll stink, I just don't know if they'll stink enough to get a top 5 pick. Lions were another, but Stafford has 4 more years under contract and he's the least of their problems. Panthers could go 3-13, they could be a playoff team.
Tanking might not be enough considering the way Miami and Cincinnati play on a regular basis. Unless the Jags end up with the first overall pick, I would expect it to take a very big trade to get to the 1 spot.
Miami has Tau and Rosen, so they better not tank!
Great letter to the editor from Notre Dame professors. Well written. Hey if Notre Dame wins the national championship does that count for the ACC? I am guessing yes. I will be pulling for Trevor Lawrence and Clemson (as an ACC undergrad myself) but if not them I am partial to Georgia or Auburn.
https://d1baseball.com/columns...covid-era-protocols/
Here's a Covid and College baseball article.
@PABaseball posted:The Jags were the team I was thinking that would take him, but they were projected to be the 11th pick by the site I looked at. I think they'll stink, I just don't know if they'll stink enough to get a top 5 pick. Lions were another, but Stafford has 4 more years under contract and he's the least of their problems. Panthers could go 3-13, they could be a playoff team.
Tanking might not be enough considering the way Miami and Cincinnati play on a regular basis. Unless the Jags end up with the first overall pick, I would expect it to take a very big trade to get to the 1 spot.
Stafford has been so injury prone I believe the Lions would trade him and eat a good portion if his contract.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:Great letter to the editor from Notre Dame professors. Well written. Hey if Notre Dame wins the national championship does that count for the ACC? I am guessing yes. I will be pulling for Trevor Lawrence and Clemson (as an ACC undergrad myself) but if not them I am partial to Georgia or Auburn.
"national championship" with 2 conferences playing...that is funny.
@Go44dad posted:https://d1baseball.com/columns...covid-era-protocols/
Here's a Covid and College baseball article.
I think the baseball question is as simple as this.
If they have a successful basketball season that finishes with league championships, the NCAA and the TV revenue that goes with it, you will see a baseball season...if it doesn't you won't.
Pretty much that simple IMO.
@old_school posted:"national championship" with 2 conferences playing...that is funny.
How many championships have been won by other conferences in the past 10 years?
@old_school posted:"national championship" with 2 conferences playing...that is funny.
3 P5 plus others and why not, the others refuse to play. Who is on top of polls at year end, possible split champion. Its "Old School", you should appreciate that. You don't play you can't win.
it will be similarly irrelevant as the NBA and the WS of 2020.
I would agree Old School if any of the other teams that are not playing were relevant. The teams that want to compete are the ones that are trying to make it work and if it does work, the others will look irrelevant.
I think baseball happens if football happens. If football happens, then basketball will happen, then baseball will happen. If football crashes then no basketball and probably no baseball. I still hold that the hysteria goes away after November 3rd. It doesn't mean the virus goes away but the hysteria does and we move on to some other problem. That depends on which one gets elected President.
I agree. You have to wonder how it is impacting recruiting for the conferences choosing to sit this one out.
@PitchingFan posted:I would agree Old School if any of the other teams that are not playing were relevant. The teams that want to compete are the ones that are trying to make it work and if it does work, the others will look irrelevant.
I think baseball happens if football happens. If football happens, then basketball will happen, then baseball will happen. If football crashes then no basketball and probably no baseball. I still hold that the hysteria goes away after November 3rd. It doesn't mean the virus goes away but the hysteria does and we move on to some other problem. That depends on which one gets elected President.
Covid will be around for awhile, it really doesnt care who will be president in Nov 3, so lets not bring that into the discussion.
Also, I am pretty sure most 18, 19 , 20 year olds focusing on winning, really don't care, they just want to play, regardless of the sport.
It is a tremendous undertaking that these programs have taken. Hearing about preparing a baseball team first hand, I can't imagine how difficult it is for football. The players arrived back on campus months ago. We don't know what went wrong for some and not others.
I agree with Gunner, you dont play, you dont win, don't take a National Championship away from the programs that made it work. The Big 10 and Pac 12 should have thought long and hard last March how they would approach the situation and not have it unravel so quickly. The players made demands. Couldn't blame them, maybe things will change.
Clemson and Trevor Lawrence are gonna win anyway!
Go Tigers!!!
JMO
@TerribleBPthrower posted:How many championships have been won by other conferences in the past 10 years?
I am born and raised smack dab in the middle of Columbus and Ann Arbor. I grew up with the ten years war between Woody and Bo being "The Game" every year. As much as I want the big10 and midwest to matter, I deal in facts. The fact is no one outside the SEC and ACC, has won a CFP game since OSU won it all back in the 2014 season. Clemson is the only ACC team to have won a game.
We can pretty safely get a champion with the teams playing.
@Pedaldad posted:I am born and raised smack dab in the middle of Columbus and Ann Arbor. I grew up with the ten years war between Woody and Bo being "The Game" every year. As much as I want the big10 and midwest to matter, I deal in facts. The fact is no one outside the SEC and ACC, has won a CFP game since OSU won it all back in the 2014 season. Clemson is the only ACC team to have won a game.
We can pretty safely get a champion with the teams playing.
Hmmmm, there seems to be a team you are leaving out from the ACC....
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Hmmmm, there seems to be a team you are leaving out from the ACC....
Since the BCS began FSU and Clemson 2, Miami 1.
@TPM posted:Since the BCS began FSU and Clemson 2, Miami 1.
Miami’s was almost 20 years ago. FSU’s second was within 10 years
@TPM posted:Since the BCS began FSU and Clemson 2, Miami 1.
Florida State has been cancelled. Don’t you read the “news”?!?
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Hmmmm, there seems to be a team you are leaving out from the ACC...
No no one was left out. I wrote College Football Playoff(CFP), and didn't mention BCS. The CFP began in the 2014 season. Ohio state and Oregon each won games that year. No one other than the SEC and Clemson have won games in the last 5 College Football Playoffs. FSU lost their only College Football Playoff game, badly. Miami has never been there.
@TPM posted:Since the BCS began FSU and Clemson 2, Miami 1.
TPM you are usually very good on this stuff. I didn't write BCS, I wrote CFP, it began in 2014. Neither Miami or FSU have won CFP games. Clemson and OSU have been the only teams outside the SEC to win more than 1 game, Oregon won only one in 2014/15. The rest is all SEC.
@Pedaldad posted:TPM you are usually very good on this stuff. I didn't write BCS, I wrote CFP, it began in 2014. Neither Miami or FSU have won CFP games. Clemson and OSU have been the only teams outside the SEC to win more than 1 game, Oregon won only one in 2014/15. The rest is all SEC.
My bad. Not as good at football as baseball. What was I thinking!
Doesn't matter if B10 tries to get back into the season. Clemson wins!
Seriously, I feel for the guys who want to get drafted. This whole thing is such a mess.
@Pedaldad posted:No no one was left out. I wrote College Football Playoff(CFP), and didn't mention BCS. The CFP began in the 2014 season. Ohio state and Oregon each won games that year. No one other than the SEC and Clemson have won games in the last 5 College Football Playoffs. FSU lost their only College Football Playoff game, badly. Miami has never been there.
You are correct. I stated championships in the past 10 years and you switched to CFP and I didn’t catch that. Either way, I still think the teams should play it out. I wish the B1G were better as I despise the SEC. It would be nice to see a little change every couple of years.
The rules that are put into place are silly at times. The person who tested positive can be set free at 10 days while the secondary quarantine guys/gals have to stay in quarantine for 14 days. How can you make the ones who did not test positive stay longer than the ones who did?
@PitchingFan posted:The rules that are put into place are silly at times. The person who tested positive can be set free at 10 days while the secondary quarantine guys/gals have to stay in quarantine for 14 days. How can you make the ones who did not test positive stay longer than the ones who did?
It would appear they are factoring in an incubation period for those exposed but not testing positive. It is possible to have been exposed and the viral load has not reached a detectable level.
@22and25 is correct. Incubation period is, from all Indications, believed to be 2-14 days. So exposure to a positive-tested person means you need 14 days of quarantine.
And if you test positive, it’s not just 10 days, then you’re good. It’s 10 days from when symptoms first appeared, PLUS no fever for 24 hrs w/o use of meds to reduce it, PLUS symptoms are abating (other than loss of taste/smell).
The weird part is none had symptoms, either those that tested positive or those that were apartment mates. It is just weird that the ones who tested positive are free men before the ones who tested negative.
I wonder how the new CDC information out this weekend will affect college athletics?
@PitchingFan posted:The weird part is none had symptoms, either those that tested positive or those that were apartment mates. It is just weird that the ones who tested positive are free men before the ones who tested negative.
I wonder how the new CDC information out this weekend will affect college athletics?
PitchingFan we are hearing nothing about this new information from the CDC in the media and I doubt we will..if we do it will be spun and twisted. This news is HUGE and should change entirely the way we deal with covid 19...no wonder Sweeden is doing so well.