College Representative Fail

jacjacatk posted:

roothog66 posted:

bballman posted:

2017, if this question was one of many socio economic questions, I would say yes. Being that is was the ONLY socio economic question, it raises a flag to me. I did not go through the common applications linked in this thread, but I would guess that there were many other questions asked on those forms.  

That's a big "if." Personally I have trouble believing the story is complete. We all know how well 16 year olds relay information. It could also be that this kid mistakenly stumbled into a recruiter that was there specifically for the LGBTQ community the same way very specific groups like ROTC and different organizations based on race or interests will visit schools and he didn't know it. Again, my experience with 16yo boys doesn't reinforce confidence in their ability to recognize or recall specifics.

However, back to more important subjects - broccoli sucks.

Are you serious?

Roasted broccoli is awesome.

If you're out of brussel sprouts, I guess a few broccoli crowns will do.

Actually broccoli is one of the "greens" (outside of guacamole) that my kid will willingly eat.

Okay, I will weigh in again...Brussel sprouts are evil, even wrapping them in bacon can't save them.  Steamed and mashed cauliflower is pretty awesome with some cheese wiz thrown in, broccoli is just too explosive of a topic for me to weigh in on.

Shaved brussel sprouts.  Stir fry with your favorite sauce and spices. Mine are trader Joe's 21 salute seasoning and Gia Russa balsamic glaze.  Throw in matchstick carrots for some added sweetness.

TPM posted:

Shaved brussel sprouts.  Stir fry with your favorite sauce and spices. Mine are trader Joe's 21 salute seasoning and Gia Russa balsamic glaze.  Throw in matchstick carrots for some added sweetness.

Yeah, I've not had that TJ's seasoning but shaved, sauteed with olive oil, then just after you plate it drizzle with some balsamic vinegar and sprinkle with a bunch of grated parmesan.  Really good.

A little crumbled bacon wouldn't hurt either.

JCG posted:

TPM posted:

Shaved brussel sprouts.  Stir fry with your favorite sauce and spices. Mine are trader Joe's 21 salute seasoning and Gia Russa balsamic glaze.  Throw in matchstick carrots for some added sweetness.

Yeah, I've not had that TJ's seasoning but shaved, sauteed with olive oil, then just after you plate it drizzle with some balsamic vinegar and sprinkle with a bunch of grated parmesan.  Really good.

A little crumbled bacon wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah that's another version, thanks.  No bacon or cheese in this house though.

TJ seasoning the best, no salt.

TPM posted:

JCG posted:

TPM posted:

Shaved brussel sprouts.  Stir fry with your favorite sauce and spices. Mine are trader Joe's 21 salute seasoning and Gia Russa balsamic glaze.  Throw in matchstick carrots for some added sweetness.

Yeah, I've not had that TJ's seasoning but shaved, sauteed with olive oil, then just after you plate it drizzle with some balsamic vinegar and sprinkle with a bunch of grated parmesan.  Really good.

A little crumbled bacon wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah that's another version, thanks.  No bacon or cheese in this house though.

TJ seasoning the best, no salt.

I feel like this is a similar conversation I have had about Grits.  My opinion is if you have to Doctor the things up nine ways from Sunday to make them edible just accept they taste bad and move along to a more distinguished food like the heavenly avocado which can NOT be served in a bad way ;- )

2017LHPscrewball posted:

Then when a 16 year old decided he doesn't like how a school represented itself and would prefer to look at one of the other thousand schools available to him you say dad should step in. Sit him down, order him to rethink etc.  guidance is always good for our kids.

In other words, turn your 16 yo loose and ask him nicely to report back when he gets finished with some minor details of where he is attending on how it is getting paid for.  Maybe have an interesting talk by the fire his junior year about how he whittled down his thousands of choices to this one and sit back, warm your feet by the fire and congratulate him on a job well done.  

I must have a defective child cause that would not work in our household.  Kind of like when he burns popcorn in the microwave.  Directions say heat on high for 3-5 minutes - depending on wattage.  Kid sticks in in for 5 minutes and seems baffled as to why its burnt.  I'm not going to start cooking his popcorn, but I'll take this opportunity to explain the directions and let him know he's dealing with some higher wattages.  Better that than him going around the rest of his life saying that microwave burnt everything he put in it.

On a serous note, no kid realistically starts out with 1,000 college options.  For various reasons - excluding baseball - that number is probably no bigger than 100 max.  Throw in some baseball and the number maybe drops to 10 once things get serious.  Would hate to cross off one of those possible 10 on day one cause some guy is wearing too much jewelry.  If you don't think that is a reasonable piece of guidance to offer your son, then by all means let him decide.  I would think it would be a valuable piece of guidance.

If you read again I think you will find that my point was tongue in cheek because ao many of us have been told so many times to backmoutmof our kids decisions. I very clearly state that parental advice is a good thing. However you are ignoring the fact that maybe the parents agree!  And it's not for any of us to say where this kid should feel comfortable!  And I simply 100% disagree that your choices are as limited as you think.  True I suppose if you were the absolute lowest of the low ability wise and you insist on playing baseball somewhere. And I don't know how much more clear I can be on this but YES if he is down to 10 and he feels uncomfortable with one he should be down to 9!  I don't know why you would want me to say something different!

2020dad posted:

Assuming the questionnaire is as stated here it is an innapropriate question. Period. However if it was in the context of accommodating folks (maybe to know if you should be housed where there are transgender bathrooms?) perhaps it would be different.  However what is in that questionnaire very much outlines the general philosophy of the school. If the young man is uncomfortable with that why does he not have a right to those feelings?  He just doesn't want to go there. He didn't say he wants to go and bash members of that community or spend his life fighting against their causes. Just that this school ain't for him. Big deal. As for the 'calling names'...  Who gets to decide what is offensive?  I don't think there are a whole lot of folks that want to be called white trash but I don't see crusades against that. How about the term 'Jesus freak'. Hear it all the time. Gonna tell me that's not offensive??  But we're gonna freak out over flaming???  And who can keep up?  I just heard on TV last night that the term 'Oriental' is now offensive. I have a reasonable IQ and a college degree and I had no idea. I still don't understand why. Shall we post an updated list monthly on a news bulletin or something?  "Beep...   Beep... Beep.  This is a message from the emergency PC broadcasting system.  The following words are being added to the banished list...  For the complete list of disallowed words please go to www.PC.gov.  We now return to our regularly scheduled liberal programming."

The fact you didn't know that "Oriental" is offensive isn't a problem with others...it's you. It has been considered that for years.

bballman posted:

I think asking if you are LBGTQ is beyond asking for gender - M/F. It is asking for your bedroom preferences. In my opinion, that is no one's business. Especially asking that of a 16 year old. 

Of course, these days, male and female seems to be an ambiguous concept. What has happened in our society if we can't even determine between male and female??  And what's with the Q anyway?  I guess it stands for questionable?  Wouldn't the B take care of that?  Man...

i really think all this is being taken too far. Laws being made for less than 3% of the population that may (and does in many cases) offend 97% of the population. I've got nothing against LGBTQ people. What people do in the bedroom is their own business. But, keep it to yourself. I don't feel a need to run around telling everyone I'm heterosexual. If you ask me, having someone fill out a questionnaire asking Name, Adress, Age, Grade and are you LBGTQ is just a little bizarre. Maybe if there were a bunch of other socio economic stuff as well, it might be ok. But, with just that one question with a couple other general things, something else is going on. 

The amount of ignorance in this post...

First off, gender and sex are not the same. Thus, it's not a matter of "telling between male and female" because those are not the be-all and end-all.

And Q stands for queer. That has nothing to do with sex or gender.

Thirdly, bisexuality does not mean "questionable" or "questioning" or anything like that. It means that the person has attraction of some sort to multiple genders.

And you really don't get the idea of how laws need to work. If someone has a problem with laws to protect minorities, they are the problem. 

If you wish, I can get into graphic stories of how I or several of my past partners have been the victims of anti-LGBTQ violence. Then maybe you can see why these laws and an understanding of sexual and gender identity are necessary.

Matt13 posted:

2020dad posted:

Assuming the questionnaire is as stated here it is an innapropriate question. Period. However if it was in the context of accommodating folks (maybe to know if you should be housed where there are transgender bathrooms?) perhaps it would be different.  However what is in that questionnaire very much outlines the general philosophy of the school. If the young man is uncomfortable with that why does he not have a right to those feelings?  He just doesn't want to go there. He didn't say he wants to go and bash members of that community or spend his life fighting against their causes. Just that this school ain't for him. Big deal. As for the 'calling names'...  Who gets to decide what is offensive?  I don't think there are a whole lot of folks that want to be called white trash but I don't see crusades against that. How about the term 'Jesus freak'. Hear it all the time. Gonna tell me that's not offensive??  But we're gonna freak out over flaming???  And who can keep up?  I just heard on TV last night that the term 'Oriental' is now offensive. I have a reasonable IQ and a college degree and I had no idea. I still don't understand why. Shall we post an updated list monthly on a news bulletin or something?  "Beep...   Beep... Beep.  This is a message from the emergency PC broadcasting system.  The following words are being added to the banished list...  For the complete list of disallowed words please go to www.PC.gov.  We now return to our regularly scheduled liberal programming."

The fact you didn't know that "Oriental" is offensive isn't a problem with others...it's you. It has been considered that for years.

So is this me stirring things up again? Oh wait no I haven't directly addressed anyone on this thread and called them "the problem" or "ignorant". That was you...  Why is umpiring just so perfect for your personality...

2020dad posted:

Matt13 posted:

2020dad posted:

Assuming the questionnaire is as stated here it is an innapropriate question. Period. However if it was in the context of accommodating folks (maybe to know if you should be housed where there are transgender bathrooms?) perhaps it would be different.  However what is in that questionnaire very much outlines the general philosophy of the school. If the young man is uncomfortable with that why does he not have a right to those feelings?  He just doesn't want to go there. He didn't say he wants to go and bash members of that community or spend his life fighting against their causes. Just that this school ain't for him. Big deal. As for the 'calling names'...  Who gets to decide what is offensive?  I don't think there are a whole lot of folks that want to be called white trash but I don't see crusades against that. How about the term 'Jesus freak'. Hear it all the time. Gonna tell me that's not offensive??  But we're gonna freak out over flaming???  And who can keep up?  I just heard on TV last night that the term 'Oriental' is now offensive. I have a reasonable IQ and a college degree and I had no idea. I still don't understand why. Shall we post an updated list monthly on a news bulletin or something?  "Beep...   Beep... Beep.  This is a message from the emergency PC broadcasting system.  The following words are being added to the banished list...  For the complete list of disallowed words please go to www.PC.gov.  We now return to our regularly scheduled liberal programming."

The fact you didn't know that "Oriental" is offensive isn't a problem with others...it's you. It has been considered that for years.

So is this me stirring things up again? Oh wait no I haven't directly addressed anyone on this thread and called them "the problem" or "ignorant". That was you...  Why is umpiring just so perfect for your personality...

well said.

Not trying to be a jerk or start anything but due to the fact I know maybe 3 Asian people I guess I missed the fact that Oriental was offensive.  When did it happen and why is it offensive?

coach2709 posted:

Not trying to be a jerk or start anything but due to the fact I know maybe 3 Asian people I guess I missed the fact that Oriental was offensive.  When did it happen and why is it offensive?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oriental

Essentially, because it's often used pejoratively, or in reference to stereotypical portrayals of Asian groups in western media (see, for example, WW II propoganda).

jacjacatk posted:

coach2709 posted:

Not trying to be a jerk or start anything but due to the fact I know maybe 3 Asian people I guess I missed the fact that Oriental was offensive.  When did it happen and why is it offensive?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oriental

Essentially, because it's often used pejoratively, or in reference to stereotypical portrayals of Asian groups in western media (see, for example, WW II propoganda).

This conversation reminds me of that scene in the movie Clueless.

Cher: Lucy, the fire department called again. They said we need to clear out that bush. You said you'd get Jose to do it.
Lucy: He your gardener, I don't know why you no tell him.
Cher: Lucy, you know I don't speak Mexican.
Lucy: I NOT A MEXICAN.
Lucy: [storms off]
Cher: Great, what was that all about?
Josh: Lucy's from El Salvador.
Cher: So?
Josh: So, it's an entirely different country.
Cher: What does that matter?
Josh: You get mad if anyone thinks you live below Sunset.

coach2709 posted:

Not trying to be a jerk or start anything but due to the fact I know maybe 3 Asian people I guess I missed the fact that Oriental was offensive.  When did it happen and why is it offensive?

obviously you are insensitive and should be doing monthly research to find out the proper terminology for all minority groups, the fact these are ever changing terms and that not all minorities agree is not relevant. You are obligated to stay current to what the self righteous wantabe ruling class decides is appropriate.

get with the times sir!!

old_school posted:

coach2709 posted:

Not trying to be a jerk or start anything but due to the fact I know maybe 3 Asian people I guess I missed the fact that Oriental was offensive.  When did it happen and why is it offensive?

obviously you are insensitive and should be doing monthly research to find out the proper terminology for all minority groups, the fact these are ever changing terms and that not all minorities agree is not relevant. You are obligated to stay current to what the self righteous wantabe ruling class decides is appropriate.

get with the times sir!!

Literally literally means figuratively now.  Irregardless is actually a word.  Language changes through usage and so does meaning.

Does that maybe mean we should allow a little leeway for people who still use some term where the words had different/less offensive meanings in the past, sure.  But it doesn't mean we get to ignore the meaning of the words now, either. 

Matt13 posted:

bballman posted:

I think asking if you are LBGTQ is beyond asking for gender - M/F. It is asking for your bedroom preferences. In my opinion, that is no one's business. Especially asking that of a 16 year old. 

Of course, these days, male and female seems to be an ambiguous concept. What has happened in our society if we can't even determine between male and female??  And what's with the Q anyway?  I guess it stands for questionable?  Wouldn't the B take care of that?  Man...

i really think all this is being taken too far. Laws being made for less than 3% of the population that may (and does in many cases) offend 97% of the population. I've got nothing against LGBTQ people. What people do in the bedroom is their own business. But, keep it to yourself. I don't feel a need to run around telling everyone I'm heterosexual. If you ask me, having someone fill out a questionnaire asking Name, Adress, Age, Grade and are you LBGTQ is just a little bizarre. Maybe if there were a bunch of other socio economic stuff as well, it might be ok. But, with just that one question with a couple other general things, something else is going on. 

The amount of ignorance in this post...

First off, gender and sex are not the same. Thus, it's not a matter of "telling between male and female" because those are not the be-all and end-all.  Did you read my post?  I specifically said asking for LGBTQ status was different than asking for gender.

And Q stands for queer. That has nothing to do with sex or gender.  When I do a google search for LGBTQ meaning, I get two definitions - one is queer, one is questionable.

Thirdly, bisexuality does not mean "questionable" or "questioning" or anything like that. It means that the person has attraction of some sort to multiple genders.  Isn't being bisexual having an attraction of some sort to multiple genders?  How many more genders are there?

And you really don't get the idea of how laws need to work. If someone has a problem with laws to protect minorities, they are the problem.   I expressed in another response that there ARE laws for this.  It's called assault and battery.  Assault is a verbal threat, battery is physically harming another person.  Why do there have to be separate laws that differentiate between those laws and those for someone with some sexual preference?  If the current laws are upheld, they also apply to LGBTQ.

If you wish, I can get into graphic stories of how I or several of my past partners have been the victims of anti-LGBTQ violence. Then maybe you can see why these laws and an understanding of sexual and gender identity are necessary.  What I said above applies.  If you or your past partners were victims, it was wrong.  But, there are laws in place for that now.  The person or people who did that can and should be prosecuted under the existing laws.  If they weren't, the application of those laws needs to be upheld, but the laws are there already.

My final word on this unless blindsided!  I guess you reach a certain age and you are exhausted from all this. Just can't keep up and not sure how much you care to. I have never been mean or hurtful to another person just because of race, sexual preference etc.  But at the same time the PC stuff does get a little silly. I don't need the PC police to tell me how to be nice to another person. And for the record I am an Italian, Irish & German guy. Feel free to call me a wop, mick or kraut cause really I just don't care. My self worth is not attached to what anybody but my family thinks of me. Cracker?  Fine. Hillbilly?  Go ahead. Red neck!  Sure why not. Call me whatever you like. Cause it's the intent that counts. You could call me no bad names and we could still have an issue with each other if I feel attacked or threatened. It's not the words it's the intent behind the words.  As for the oriental thing.  History must have changed since I taught it. I don't remember anything I read or any documentary or anything that pejoratively used the term oriental.  

2020dad posted:

Matt13 posted:

2020dad posted:

Assuming the questionnaire is as stated here it is an innapropriate question. Period. However if it was in the context of accommodating folks (maybe to know if you should be housed where there are transgender bathrooms?) perhaps it would be different.  However what is in that questionnaire very much outlines the general philosophy of the school. If the young man is uncomfortable with that why does he not have a right to those feelings?  He just doesn't want to go there. He didn't say he wants to go and bash members of that community or spend his life fighting against their causes. Just that this school ain't for him. Big deal. As for the 'calling names'...  Who gets to decide what is offensive?  I don't think there are a whole lot of folks that want to be called white trash but I don't see crusades against that. How about the term 'Jesus freak'. Hear it all the time. Gonna tell me that's not offensive??  But we're gonna freak out over flaming???  And who can keep up?  I just heard on TV last night that the term 'Oriental' is now offensive. I have a reasonable IQ and a college degree and I had no idea. I still don't understand why. Shall we post an updated list monthly on a news bulletin or something?  "Beep...   Beep... Beep.  This is a message from the emergency PC broadcasting system.  The following words are being added to the banished list...  For the complete list of disallowed words please go to www.PC.gov.  We now return to our regularly scheduled liberal programming."

The fact you didn't know that "Oriental" is offensive isn't a problem with others...it's you. It has been considered that for years.

So is this me stirring things up again? Oh wait no I haven't directly addressed anyone on this thread and called them "the problem" or "ignorant". That was you...  Why is umpiring just so perfect for your personality...

There you go again with the snark. I'm beginning to think that you're actually 2020, and not the dad.

bballman posted:

Matt13 posted:

bballman posted:

I think asking if you are LBGTQ is beyond asking for gender - M/F. It is asking for your bedroom preferences. In my opinion, that is no one's business. Especially asking that of a 16 year old. 

Of course, these days, male and female seems to be an ambiguous concept. What has happened in our society if we can't even determine between male and female??  And what's with the Q anyway?  I guess it stands for questionable?  Wouldn't the B take care of that?  Man...

i really think all this is being taken too far. Laws being made for less than 3% of the population that may (and does in many cases) offend 97% of the population. I've got nothing against LGBTQ people. What people do in the bedroom is their own business. But, keep it to yourself. I don't feel a need to run around telling everyone I'm heterosexual. If you ask me, having someone fill out a questionnaire asking Name, Adress, Age, Grade and are you LBGTQ is just a little bizarre. Maybe if there were a bunch of other socio economic stuff as well, it might be ok. But, with just that one question with a couple other general things, something else is going on. 

The amount of ignorance in this post...

First off, gender and sex are not the same. Thus, it's not a matter of "telling between male and female" because those are not the be-all and end-all.  Did you read my post?  I specifically said asking for LGBTQ status was different than asking for gender.

And Q stands for queer. That has nothing to do with sex or gender.  When I do a google search for LGBTQ meaning, I get two definitions - one is queer, one is questionable.

Thirdly, bisexuality does not mean "questionable" or "questioning" or anything like that. It means that the person has attraction of some sort to multiple genders.  Isn't being bisexual having an attraction of some sort to multiple genders?  How many more genders are there?

And you really don't get the idea of how laws need to work. If someone has a problem with laws to protect minorities, they are the problem.   I expressed in another response that there ARE laws for this.  It's called assault and battery.  Assault is a verbal threat, battery is physically harming another person.  Why do there have to be separate laws that differentiate between those laws and those for someone with some sexual preference?  If the current laws are upheld, they also apply to LGBTQ.

If you wish, I can get into graphic stories of how I or several of my past partners have been the victims of anti-LGBTQ violence. Then maybe you can see why these laws and an understanding of sexual and gender identity are necessary.  What I said above applies.  If you or your past partners were victims, it was wrong.  But, there are laws in place for that now.  The person or people who did that can and should be prosecuted under the existing laws.  If they weren't, the application of those laws needs to be upheld, but the laws are there already.

 

How to answer without chopping up the post...

1. LGBTQ status does encompass asking gender identity.

2. I've never seeing anything that defines the Q as "questionable." That doesn't mean that you didn't find it...I just find it really interesting. The one thing I can think of is that sometimes asexuality is viewed as "questionable" and falls under queer, but that's a mischaracterization of it.

3. There are multiple genders and multiple expressions involving male, female, both, or neither. For example, my partner is bigender, which means that they identify as female sometimes, and male sometimes. This is not something that is controllable and when they are in their male phase (being biologically female,) it is very emotionally painful.

4. Hate crimes are different from other crimes in that the goal is to inculcate fear in a population (akin to terrorism.) A couple of guys in a bar fight are not intending to cause fear to every other person who ever sets foot in a bar.