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I am a new member but have been lurking for a couple months and have learned a lot - thank you!  I was hoping to get some input on a question that I didn't see covered in other posts.  

My son is a 16-year old 2020 pitcher (I'm sure you guessed that already).  He has always thrown hard but has seemed to hit a plateau in terms of velocity this season and his control is inconsistent.  He has worked with a few pitching coaches through his travel program and individually, and has done strength training designed for baseball players at local facilities for a few years.  He wants to start doing velocity-specific training and also wants to focus more intently on his mechanics and control by working with one pitching coach for a longer term.  Now that the season is over, he is planning to start working on the free Driveline 8-week program (he has a good base already because he has been doing Jaeger long toss all season) and we are working on setting up a series of lessons until mid-fall with a pitching coach as well as continuing with the strength training.  

To be honest, it feels like we are piecing together several different pieces of a puzzle to try to craft a program that will work for him, and it feels like we are making it up as we go along and we are definitely not experts.  The local pitching coaches that we know provide lessons but they don't get very involved with strength training and velocity-specific training.  We have considered having him do a remote program but we are having trouble figuring out what would work best, and we aren't sure how effective it would be if they don't see him throw regularly (other than by video) or only see him for a weekend, and we worry about injuries. 

My question is: is this just the way it is for high school pitchers or are there programs/coaches out there that provide a comprehensive program (mechanics, strength, velocity, arm care, etc.) that you would recommend for someone like my son?  What has worked well for your sons and other high school pitchers you know?  We are located in New England if that helps.  Thank you in advance for your input and I'm sorry if this was long-winded!

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My son is a catcher and works out at AB Athletics (Austin Wasserman) in Nashua.  AB has been tremendous, for both strength and conditioning and throwing (mechanics, velocity...).  A lot of pitchers there.  Can't say enough good things about AB.  My son has also caught bull pens for Christian at Cressey. I think Cressey's reputation and client list speaks for its self.  

Thank you for your responses - very helpful.  From a velocity perspective, I'm interested in hearing whether people feel that with proper mechanics (lessons), growth and strength training, that velocity will take care of itself if the athlete has the potential to throw that hard.  Or do most high school pitchers who eventually make it to the high 80's and 90's incorporate some velocity-specific training and if so, is that something that they usually do on their own outside of lessons and strength training?

Well certainly proper mechanics, growth and strength training are all important.  I think the better question is what is the potential negative to doing velocity training?  I suppose with poor mechanics or supervision it could lead to injury, but if it's done in concert with properly coached mechanics and strength training at a reputable facility like Cressey or AB Athletics, what would be the reason not to do focused velocity training?   A well coached program will encompass all of those variables.  I would think you'd set up a meeting with a qualified coach/facility where they can evaluate your son and offer educated suggestions, based on his needs and potential.

Cressey & AB/Wasserman know their stuff.  I would trust either.

Driveline's Hacking the Kinetic Chain covers mechanics, strength, velocity, arm care, etc. and is fantastic--if you're looking for a remote/do it yourself type solution.  Also check out TreadAthletics remote training.

In the end, it mostly comes down to working your butt off with any of those solutions.   They would give you a good roadmap.  I would not rely on local pitching lessons for the most part, unless the coach has been committed to learning the latest and greatest stuff.  Most teach what they were taught/worked for them, but that doesn't guarantee success (in fact it may hinder it for others--due to cookie cutting).  I say all this as both a high school pitching coach and dad of a pitcher.   

 

 

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If you are in New England, you should make the trip to Cressey Sports Performance in Hudson, MA. Definitely a no brainer. Throwing trainers there and Eric himself are familiar with our weighted ball programs and can help you integrate it if that's something you want to get into. I do not know Christian there, however.

Austin Wasserman is excellent as well in Nashua, NH. Two great options.

Driveline's remote training (Driveline U) is a very intensive four-month course that teaches your son to teach himself. It's for a very specific targeted niche of clientele who want very hands-on work, very customized planning, and regular tests by Matt, our lead pitching instructor. It's a great program that I'm happy to stand behind, but it is a large commitment with a defined timeline. Our experience with monthly remote training packages at a lower price flooded our trainers and frankly the quality was not up to our standards, so we went in another direction.

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2020pitcherparent posted:

Thank you for your responses - very helpful.  From a velocity perspective, I'm interested in hearing whether people feel that with proper mechanics (lessons), growth and strength training, that velocity will take care of itself if the athlete has the potential to throw that hard.  Or do most high school pitchers who eventually make it to the high 80's and 90's incorporate some velocity-specific training and if so, is that something that they usually do on their own outside of lessons and strength training?

I have a 14 year old 2020, lol, love this age gap!  He is also a pitcher and has been told to:

1. LONG TOSS twice a week (absolutely vital)

2. Core strength training at a facility that will take into account any deficits he has, i.e. weak hips, left side not as strong...etc. while strengthening his core.

3. Arm conditioning program in the off season that deals with bands, plyoballs, and strengthening his shoulder muscles.

All of that will help with muscles, then it is about repeatable mechanics (lessons). Specifically working on the ground, because without the down hill slope of the mound the ground is what really tells you if he's coming out of the pitch correctly.  Biggest problems at this age seem to be dropping the elbow, flying open too soon, and not staying on their line.

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