I Agree w/ bydabook i also think the knights and Dbat will be neck and neck till the end
Anyone know who the 16U Dallas Tiger pitcher was this past summer who beat the Baseball Factory Red in the Jr Olympic tournament in Tuscon, AZ back in June, 2003. Final score was 2-1, I believe? The kid was money.... 6 innings, painted the corners nicely... Big kid.
Also, who was the yahooo in the stands who kept yellin.. OOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEE! Everytime there'd be a close play he'd let one go.... it got real old after the 3rd inning...
Also, who was the yahooo in the stands who kept yellin.. OOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEE! Everytime there'd be a close play he'd let one go.... it got real old after the 3rd inning...
CaliKidsDad- Shaun Tolleson is the kid you were talking about. He is a sophomore at Allen High School. He threw 3 gems in Tucson.
Darrell is coaching his 15 year olds this year and the 16 year old team is a new team..not the 15 year olds from last year. I know who he has so far......Don't be surprised. darrell is a great coach and it takes a couple of years to get going with teams. his 18 year olds should hold their own also. Also, the comment from someone about beimg brok- I have called around and Darrell is cheaper than most and the same as others. The difference in Darrell I think is that he has a heart and he wants kids to be able to play. I also know how well connected he is on the college level to help the older guys..don't forget that. I was in his place Wednesday with my son and I think the rumor going around about him and Tommy and a few others is true. Select baseball watch out. The best baseball guys joining together look out metroplex. Isn't it funny also that this is the guy DBAT and hra called on to help them and run all their camps while he was at UD. Just something to think about. I don't think there is anyone that can say he is not the best or at least one od the best coaches around.
By the way.....we have been with Darrell since Adair's and my son played for a top team last year in BBI. Wanted to play for Darrell but, Darrell knew his teams weren't as good as others and was honest and helped us out. but, this year we are playing for Darrell. Not all the Tigers and players for other teams went to DBAT. Will see you all this summer.....Can't wait.
I think sometimes we are all to quick to judge.
By the way.....we have been with Darrell since Adair's and my son played for a top team last year in BBI. Wanted to play for Darrell but, Darrell knew his teams weren't as good as others and was honest and helped us out. but, this year we are playing for Darrell. Not all the Tigers and players for other teams went to DBAT. Will see you all this summer.....Can't wait.
I think sometimes we are all to quick to judge.
1 of the tigers 14 teams are playing PBA this year
One more thing Darrell is having try outs this Saturday the 17th at his building. They start at 5.
So txbaseballfan....what's the rumor about Tommy and DR?
I don't think this discussion is about being judgmental....DR's teams just need to win a few things to earn more respect. I'm glad to know about another coach that has a heart for kids and who cares about their futures, beyond HS baseball.
Is Ingram committed to the Tigers 15?
Will the Marshals field 15-16 teams?
How many BBI teams qualify for post-season (AABC) play?
Just curious...
-PD
I don't think this discussion is about being judgmental....DR's teams just need to win a few things to earn more respect. I'm glad to know about another coach that has a heart for kids and who cares about their futures, beyond HS baseball.
Is Ingram committed to the Tigers 15?
Will the Marshals field 15-16 teams?
How many BBI teams qualify for post-season (AABC) play?
Just curious...
-PD
txbaseballfan,
I dont think anyone that knows Darrell will say that he is not one of the best coaches around, because I truly believe that he is. I know a boy that is a very good ballplayer that played for Darrell last year, and I talked to him about it and he told me Darrel helped him tremendously last season, but he didnt want to go through another season of winning only 1 game. Darrell has the knowledge and the contacts to have one of the best academies around, but he has to quit picking up below average players, and start getting the best kids to come, (DBAT). I really believe Darrell will feild a good team eventually but its yet to be done, and the players are going elsewhere. I hope the best for Darrell because he is a great guy. Good luck with your season with him this year.
Bob
I dont think anyone that knows Darrell will say that he is not one of the best coaches around, because I truly believe that he is. I know a boy that is a very good ballplayer that played for Darrell last year, and I talked to him about it and he told me Darrel helped him tremendously last season, but he didnt want to go through another season of winning only 1 game. Darrell has the knowledge and the contacts to have one of the best academies around, but he has to quit picking up below average players, and start getting the best kids to come, (DBAT). I really believe Darrell will feild a good team eventually but its yet to be done, and the players are going elsewhere. I hope the best for Darrell because he is a great guy. Good luck with your season with him this year.
Bob
Did DBAT 16s pick up a lot of good players?
P-Diddy,
The McKinney Marshals will have one 15, one 16, and one 18U team. We have kept our better
players from our Red Hawks teams (Dead Hawks), plus some N.Texas small school talent, with a
mix of DFW kids from select teams. We elected not to go with second or "B" groups...
I think our 3 HS teams will be very competitive. Our 9-14U groups will be very solid with the addition of the 11U Blue Ridge Tigers, 12U Plano Yankees, and the 13U Plano Apaches...I think we will be a solid organization from top to bottom...
I will report back in August when all of our seasons are over...
The McKinney Marshals will have one 15, one 16, and one 18U team. We have kept our better
players from our Red Hawks teams (Dead Hawks), plus some N.Texas small school talent, with a
mix of DFW kids from select teams. We elected not to go with second or "B" groups...
I think our 3 HS teams will be very competitive. Our 9-14U groups will be very solid with the addition of the 11U Blue Ridge Tigers, 12U Plano Yankees, and the 13U Plano Apaches...I think we will be a solid organization from top to bottom...
I will report back in August when all of our seasons are over...
DBAT's 16 picked up 5 players (I think) off last years tigers 15 (good ones) along with a few out of town kids (east texas and oklahoma) Along with some other local talent(Sulentic from Hillcrest) one of the best hitters in DFW along with the Tollison kid they were talking about previously one of the best pitchers in DFW, should be a force in the 16U division. I also think that Ken Gutherie and Chris Edelstein are coaching the team. Only time will tell. The knights and mustangs also should be excellent this year.
If you could put together an all star team of 16u Dallas players, who would you want? (kind of like East Cobb)
Good idea fireman. Any ideas anybody ?
Bob
Bob
Just start throwing out names from some of the top teams..... there has got to be a lot.
in no way did i mean anything bad about D.R. I only meant that if you make one team in each age group that they would be very competive.
D.r. is one of the best coaches around. sorry for the misunderstanding.
D.r. is one of the best coaches around. sorry for the misunderstanding.
Anthony Arietta, and Brian Watson. two LH pitchers for Dallas Knights 16. Both play for Poteet High School varsity. Saw Anthony pitch last season and has some tricky stuff, with great location. Havent seen Brian pitch but his stats are even better than Arietta's.
Bob
Bob
Bob15,
I sent you a private message!!
I sent you a private message!!
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Isn't it funny also that this is the guy DBAT and hra called on to help them and run all their camps while he was at UD.
That is Funny. I worked almost all of DBAT's camps for the last 6 years and Darrell has never "ran" any of them. Darrell did work a station at two or maybe three camps for DBAT but never ran them. But, after saying that Darrell is a great guy and a great coach. Sorry, but after verifying this with the guys up at DBAT I just thought I would set the record straight.
As for the Summer Teams; After seeing a workout of the DBAT kids they look pretty impressive. With that, I think DBAT's 15 and 16 will be tough along with the Knights and Mustangs. That should round off the top of the crop. Only games will tell.....
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Originally posted by Dbaptcaptn:quote:
Isn't it funny also that this is the guy DBAT and hra called on to help them and run all their camps while he was at UD.
That is Funny. I worked almost all of DBAT's camps for the last 6 years and Darrell has never "ran" any of them. Darrell did work a station, at two maybe three camps for DBAT but never ran them. Either Cade or one of his instructors always runs the camp. But, after saying that Darrell is a great guy and a great coach. Sorry, but after verifying this with the guys up at DBAT I just thought I would set the record straight.
As for the Summer Teams; After seeing a workout of the DBAT kids they look pretty impressive. With that, I think DBAT's 15 and 16 will be tough along with the Knights and Mustangs. That should round off the top of the crop. Only games will tell.....
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Originally posted by Txbaseballfan:quote:
Isn't it funny also that this is the guy DBAT and hra called on to help them and run all their camps while he was at UD.
That is Funny. I worked almost all of DBAT's camps for the last 6 years and Darrell has never "ran" any of them. Darrell did work a station, at two maybe three camps for DBAT but never ran them. Either Cade or one of his instructors always runs the camp. But, after saying that Darrell is a great guy and a great coach. Sorry, but after verifying this with the guys up at DBAT I just thought I would set the record straight.
As for the Summer Teams; After seeing a workout of the DBAT kids they look pretty impressive. With that, I think DBAT's 15 and 16 will be tough along with the Knights and Mustangs. That should round off the top of the crop. Only games will tell.....
All I can tell you is that my son went to camp at DBAT 4 maybe 5 years ago and DR was there.
Well being there and "running" the camp are two different things. Almost every coach in Dallas has been to a DBAT camp. Like I said Darrell probably coached a station but Cade ran the camp. Back on the Summer Teams I was just on www.dallasbat.com and there is a very similiar thread there as well. A popular topic.
Originally posted by Natural
Split, yes. The one that DBat won was in a pool game. The outcome was not going to effect the Bandotos seeding since they were already 3-0 in pool play...so...ya know. That was the only loss to a Dallas area team for the last two years.
The DBat loss to the Banditos was in SuperSeries 54/80 National Championship Semi-Finals. Which the Banditos won "The Title" the next day.
P.S. When the Banditos "GOT BEAT" in Oklahoma it was in the "Title" game of the USSSA National Championship. Would have liked to have seen DBat in Oklahoma. But they decided to go a different route.
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KellerDad--- yes, "Big Ray and the Banditos" were a very good team last season. Loudest anyway! Seriously, we played them twice and split --- won one and lost one. Then they went to Oklahoma and got beat in USSSA and we went to AZ for Super Series 60/90 and won 10 of 11 and won the title.
Split, yes. The one that DBat won was in a pool game. The outcome was not going to effect the Bandotos seeding since they were already 3-0 in pool play...so...ya know. That was the only loss to a Dallas area team for the last two years.
The DBat loss to the Banditos was in SuperSeries 54/80 National Championship Semi-Finals. Which the Banditos won "The Title" the next day.
P.S. When the Banditos "GOT BEAT" in Oklahoma it was in the "Title" game of the USSSA National Championship. Would have liked to have seen DBat in Oklahoma. But they decided to go a different route.
LowNaway...
"Different route" taken by DBAT was to travel to Arizona and take on the best teams from the West where they won 10 of 11 and the Championship (beating the #1 nationally ranked USSSA team twice) on a regulation size 60/90 field. In Oklahoma, the LA Tigers (a class organization) beat the Banditos in a game that saw the 'ditos coach and a player ejected.
But of course, you already knew all of that.
"Different route" taken by DBAT was to travel to Arizona and take on the best teams from the West where they won 10 of 11 and the Championship (beating the #1 nationally ranked USSSA team twice) on a regulation size 60/90 field. In Oklahoma, the LA Tigers (a class organization) beat the Banditos in a game that saw the 'ditos coach and a player ejected.
But of course, you already knew all of that.
I am having a hard time putting together that dream team 16u. Many of the kids that used to be great are only above average now. I honestly cant name 15 players today.
A little 15-yr old trash talking going on.....ya gotta love it! 
LowNAway, glad to see you back posting on here again!!
LowNAway seems to want to minimize their loss to DBAT. From a "third-party" observer of that game, and a team that has played both, the game had big implications for seeding in the TX Invitational, and "Big Ray" was some kind a PO'd after that loss - he really laid into his kids (unwarranted, as usual with Ray). As for the two teams, my guys played both, tieing DBAT in our only chance, and having several very close games with Banditos but never getting "over the hump" against 'em. Ray's bunch, on pure talent, was without parallel. DBAT, however, was the best "team" I saw in 14U last year. We were also in AZ with them last summer, and they played as well as any team could play in winning a very strong tournament at 60/90 littered with the best teams from the West. Things change from year-to-year, but DBAT has to be considered at the top of the list in D/FW.
We played DBAT but never played the Bandito's.
We saw the Bandito's play a number of games, we just always lucked out in pool play never to have to face them, and we were out of the tournaments before we had to play them in the championship bracket.
I would put Bandito's as the best we saw, and DBAT a very close second. We played in a number of tournaments around the country, so that is a big compliment.
I just think a lot of people knock the Bandito's down a notch or two due to the guy that coached them, as he appears that he isn't a very likable guy.
DBAT can say they are better, but in the tournaments where they competed against each other, who ended up winning the tournament? The Bandito's.
BTW, are the Golden Spikes going to be around this year with a 15 year old team?
We saw the Bandito's play a number of games, we just always lucked out in pool play never to have to face them, and we were out of the tournaments before we had to play them in the championship bracket.
I would put Bandito's as the best we saw, and DBAT a very close second. We played in a number of tournaments around the country, so that is a big compliment.
I just think a lot of people knock the Bandito's down a notch or two due to the guy that coached them, as he appears that he isn't a very likable guy.
DBAT can say they are better, but in the tournaments where they competed against each other, who ended up winning the tournament? The Bandito's.
BTW, are the Golden Spikes going to be around this year with a 15 year old team?
The Golden Spikes are no longer. DBAT only has two teams a 15 and a 16. Cade and David Parker coach the 15 and Ken Gutherie and Chris Edelstein (formally of the golden spikes) coach the 16
KellerDad,
CORRECTION: DBAT and the Banditos also competed in the Wood Bat Invitational at Baseball USA in April --- a tournament won by DBAT.
I have no desire to knock the accomplishments of the Banditos. My post was simply in reaction to LowNAway discounting DBAT's victory. Both teams had great years. Now, it is on to the 60/90 field where I am sure we will see many of these players excel in the year ahead. For those who saw it (like RSS79) DBAT proved to actually be a better team on the larger field due to their team speed. They will be back intact in summer '04 with some nice additions. Should be another fun summer!
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DBAT can say they are better, but in the tournaments where they competed against each other, who ended up winning the tournament? The Bandito's.
CORRECTION: DBAT and the Banditos also competed in the Wood Bat Invitational at Baseball USA in April --- a tournament won by DBAT.
I have no desire to knock the accomplishments of the Banditos. My post was simply in reaction to LowNAway discounting DBAT's victory. Both teams had great years. Now, it is on to the 60/90 field where I am sure we will see many of these players excel in the year ahead. For those who saw it (like RSS79) DBAT proved to actually be a better team on the larger field due to their team speed. They will be back intact in summer '04 with some nice additions. Should be another fun summer!
Anywayyyyyy....
I'm not discounting anyones victories. Just came strolling through the board and saw a post that only mentioned one thing about the Banditos. How they went to Oklahoma and got beat. The accomplishments of the kids on that team deserve alot more credit than a comment like that. Their head coach never threw a pitch or swung a bat during any of their games.
One thing all can agree on is that there are some high quality teams in both areas. The best and most competetive games my son has played in were against Dallas teams. At 9 he played against the Dallas Texans a number of times. We always met in finals that year. We met in Joplin in USSSA World Series Tournament. The Texans beat us (Houston Rebels) in the final game there also. The Dallas Tigers and Plano Tx Thunder have been very strong also. I just wish we could have played each other more often. After BBUSA complex was built we really didn't need to travel to Dallas to qualify anymore. So unfortunately we only really saw Dallas teams at Memorial Day Tourney in Houston or at National Tournaments. Honestly, I'd like to see an all Texas Tournament Team. Seems like every year Texas teams just knock each other off at National Tournaments.
By the way Natural, your son is a great pitcher, #29 right. I'm sure he will do well in the years to come. Mine is #3.
Good luck to all the Freshmen trying out soon.
I'm not discounting anyones victories. Just came strolling through the board and saw a post that only mentioned one thing about the Banditos. How they went to Oklahoma and got beat. The accomplishments of the kids on that team deserve alot more credit than a comment like that. Their head coach never threw a pitch or swung a bat during any of their games.
One thing all can agree on is that there are some high quality teams in both areas. The best and most competetive games my son has played in were against Dallas teams. At 9 he played against the Dallas Texans a number of times. We always met in finals that year. We met in Joplin in USSSA World Series Tournament. The Texans beat us (Houston Rebels) in the final game there also. The Dallas Tigers and Plano Tx Thunder have been very strong also. I just wish we could have played each other more often. After BBUSA complex was built we really didn't need to travel to Dallas to qualify anymore. So unfortunately we only really saw Dallas teams at Memorial Day Tourney in Houston or at National Tournaments. Honestly, I'd like to see an all Texas Tournament Team. Seems like every year Texas teams just knock each other off at National Tournaments.
By the way Natural, your son is a great pitcher, #29 right. I'm sure he will do well in the years to come. Mine is #3.
Good luck to all the Freshmen trying out soon.
Low...
I share your feeling about the competition. The best teams we ever faced (before the AZ series) were when we came to Houston.
Thanks for the kind words regarding #29 and good luck to Jared in his HS years ahead. He pitched well against us.
I share your feeling about the competition. The best teams we ever faced (before the AZ series) were when we came to Houston.
Thanks for the kind words regarding #29 and good luck to Jared in his HS years ahead. He pitched well against us.
quote:With your comments you must be part of the Red Dogs Baseball Club. Thanks for the kind words. The Banditos by far assembled some of the best talent in the Houston area; the Red Dogs were very good as well. We appreciated some of your parent staying on in AZ and cheering for DBAT. The Red Dogs IV had a tremendous amount of heart and I love players like that. As stated we did beat them (Ray) in pool play and we enjoyed playing them. Regarding Ray, once you get past all the stage acting, he is really a good guy and fun to be around. At least, I enjoyed talking with him. Also, he does know baseball talent. We'll see him again somewhere this summer. I heard Big Ray has team is Austin now? True or False?
Originally posted by RSS79:
LowNAway seems to want to minimize their loss to DBAT. From a "third-party" observer of that game, and a team that has played both, the game had big implications for seeding in the TX Invitational, and "Big Ray" was some kind a PO'd after that loss - he really laid into his kids (unwarranted, as usual with Ray). As for the two teams, my guys played both, tieing DBAT in our only chance, and having several very close games with Banditos but never getting "over the hump" against 'em. Ray's bunch, on pure talent, was without parallel. DBAT, however, was the best "team" I saw in 14U last year. We were also in AZ with them last summer, and they played as well as any team could play in winning a very strong tournament at 60/90 littered with the best teams from the West. Things change from year-to-year, but DBAT has to be considered at the top of the list in D/FW.
Tigers 15 coached by Ingram are playing BBI.
are the Dallas Mustangs having tryouts for 17 and 18 year olds tomorrow January 25?
4444,
You can find the info. on the website www.dallasmustangsbaseball.com or www.eteamz.com/dallasmustangsbaseball . Contact info. is there also.
You can find the info. on the website www.dallasmustangsbaseball.com or www.eteamz.com/dallasmustangsbaseball . Contact info. is there also.
Any thoughts on U-18 teams in Dallas area?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KellerDad:
I would put Bandito's as the best we saw, and
I just think a lot of people knock the Bandito's down a notch or two due to the guy that coached them, as he appears that he isn't a very likable guy.
In Rays defense as a Bandito Dad You would have to know him to be able to appricate his talents.Ray is very hard on "ALL of his Kids" but as a parent that has played for him going on three years in my opinion I pay for him to be a coach. Ray is very very good to his kids off the field and always gives them reassurance to have confidence. The Bandito Program generates ball players and very good ones at that.
We all love for our kids to be successfull nad that is what the Bandito program is all about. Don't get me wrong you must have very tough skin to play for him, but in the end your kids have a great chance at playing in the next level. Either a JC or maybe even a Div I school.
Go Hard or Go Home
I would put Bandito's as the best we saw, and
I just think a lot of people knock the Bandito's down a notch or two due to the guy that coached them, as he appears that he isn't a very likable guy.
In Rays defense as a Bandito Dad You would have to know him to be able to appricate his talents.Ray is very hard on "ALL of his Kids" but as a parent that has played for him going on three years in my opinion I pay for him to be a coach. Ray is very very good to his kids off the field and always gives them reassurance to have confidence. The Bandito Program generates ball players and very good ones at that.
We all love for our kids to be successfull nad that is what the Bandito program is all about. Don't get me wrong you must have very tough skin to play for him, but in the end your kids have a great chance at playing in the next level. Either a JC or maybe even a Div I school.
Go Hard or Go Home
Only a current member of the Bandito's could defend Ray. He gets results but............