quote:adamantly against my son being on any team for that high school, ever
Say no more... Time to move on.
Say no more... Time to move on.
Say no more... Time to move on.
INLIMBO,
Don't know if you're in the Metro area or not...if so you know the sheer numbers and talent around particularly in Cobb and Gwinnett counties. Our HS (Gwinnett; 7AAAAA; always in playoffs) had 96 kids trying out and cuts were made tonight...based on those numbers there was alot of heatbreak for many kids after their meeting with the coaches. Only about 60 total spots available between Fr/JV/Varsity teams. Appears more than one Senior was cut also; realistically they would not have played much if at all but it shows even Seniors are not protected at the competitive HS's around Atlanta.
It's up to your son to fight this battle; absolutely I would not bring the A.D. into this. If he wants to pursue it, a meeting with the Head Coach is about the only option. Won't be an easy meeting for your son but based on what you said about the coach having a tough time with the cuts, there is a chance. Best option may be JV where the coach can bring him up to Varsity during the season. Anyway he goes, your son has his work cut out for him.
My son lived through not playing his Junior year....appears that he will be starting Varsity catcher this year and DH when not catching. He made mistakes his Junior year and paid a steep price; made him stronger but he really regrets missing last year. He still played summer tournaments at East Cobb, etc. and really performed well which only made him more determined to prove himself to the coaches as he knew he could compete with anybody on the field. I always knew how good he was behind the plate and after what he saw of the catchers at East Cobb and other tournaments last summer, he was absolutely confident he could hold his own with or beat anybody.
You've had alot of advice about summer tournament ball which is good advice to heed. If this HS year doesn't work out, get him on the very best touurnament team you can.
One piece of advice for your son..IF you truly believe you can play, then NEVER LET A COACH BE THE ONE TO DRIVE YOU FROM THE GAME...THE GAME ITSELF WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU'VE GONE AS FAR AS YOU WILL GO.
Don't know if you're in the Metro area or not...if so you know the sheer numbers and talent around particularly in Cobb and Gwinnett counties. Our HS (Gwinnett; 7AAAAA; always in playoffs) had 96 kids trying out and cuts were made tonight...based on those numbers there was alot of heatbreak for many kids after their meeting with the coaches. Only about 60 total spots available between Fr/JV/Varsity teams. Appears more than one Senior was cut also; realistically they would not have played much if at all but it shows even Seniors are not protected at the competitive HS's around Atlanta.
It's up to your son to fight this battle; absolutely I would not bring the A.D. into this. If he wants to pursue it, a meeting with the Head Coach is about the only option. Won't be an easy meeting for your son but based on what you said about the coach having a tough time with the cuts, there is a chance. Best option may be JV where the coach can bring him up to Varsity during the season. Anyway he goes, your son has his work cut out for him.
My son lived through not playing his Junior year....appears that he will be starting Varsity catcher this year and DH when not catching. He made mistakes his Junior year and paid a steep price; made him stronger but he really regrets missing last year. He still played summer tournaments at East Cobb, etc. and really performed well which only made him more determined to prove himself to the coaches as he knew he could compete with anybody on the field. I always knew how good he was behind the plate and after what he saw of the catchers at East Cobb and other tournaments last summer, he was absolutely confident he could hold his own with or beat anybody.
You've had alot of advice about summer tournament ball which is good advice to heed. If this HS year doesn't work out, get him on the very best touurnament team you can.
One piece of advice for your son..IF you truly believe you can play, then NEVER LET A COACH BE THE ONE TO DRIVE YOU FROM THE GAME...THE GAME ITSELF WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU'VE GONE AS FAR AS YOU WILL GO.
quote:NEVER LET A COACH BE THE ONE TO DRIVE YOU FROM THE GAME...THE GAME ITSELF WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU'VE GONE AS FAR AS YOU WILL GO.
That's the best piece of advice you can give a player.
INLIMBO,
Not to pop the bubble about Georgia State...but every kid on our HS team got the same letter and emails. Appears $$$$ is the true driving factor. Notice they didn't say anything about attending for FREE.
Not to pop the bubble about Georgia State...but every kid on our HS team got the same letter and emails. Appears $$$$ is the true driving factor. Notice they didn't say anything about attending for FREE.
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I agree with you fully fanofgame...great advice from S. Abrams!
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- "NEVER LET A COACH BE THE ONE TO DRIVE YOU FROM THE GAME...THE GAME ITSELF WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOU'VE GONE AS FAR AS YOU WILL GO."
I agree with you fully fanofgame...great advice from S. Abrams!
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quote:Originally posted by CADad:
Sounds legit to me. You'll have to transfer him or focus on summer ball.
bsbl247,
We had a school in our league where a kid only got 11 innings as a senior. He was their #5 pitcher and was drafted and did well his first season in minor league ball. He got a lot more than 11 innings. Even so, HS teams with more than a couple pitchers who throw in the mid 80s are few and far between.
We also had a kid at our school who didn't make varsity as a junior. I don't think the coach had anything against him, he just had the kids he wanted on varsity already. The kid signed with a major D1 and eventually signed with a pro team for around $1M.
CADad,
While it's not common for a kid with 11 varsity innings to be drafted, we know it does happen. All it took was one scout to take notice of the young man. A player in my kids league just signed with a major Top 25 D1 school, and he pitched less than 18 innings last year for his HS as a junior. The point I was attempting to make with INLIMBO was that some "Elite" high schools are loaded with Arms. Do the other kids on his team have better command? Maybe with all things equal, the coaching staff felt more comfortable with the players that have been in the program? I don't know? But, I do agree that rising seniors do have a very good chance of still producing, even if they spent the prior year on JV as a junior.
As for the mid 80's HS pitcher's, I'm still a bewbie on this site, and I'm not looking to argue with a HSBBWeb Old Timer.
However, my kids team (not considered "Elite") has five kids 85+ and three others in the low 80's. It happens, and yes they've been gunned, several of them at PG events.Hopefully INLIMBO's son works things out, and possiblly finds a good travel ball team to play on. I'm sure there's plenty of summer teams that will be looking for pitching in Georgia!
I'm going to throw out the grade question here.
You stated that your son didn't make the JV team as a freshman. A lot of kids don't but you also stated that he didn't play as a Sophmore because of his grades.
What are his grades? If they are continuously borderline it could have been a deciding factor in putting him on the team. All things being equal a less talented player that the coaches know will be able to play is more valuable than a talented player that is academically ineligible to play. If the coaches fear that your son doesn't have the ability to maintain grades during the season then they probably wouldn't accept him.
My advice: Go the the AD and the HC and specifically ask him what was the deciding factor in him not making the team. Tell the coach to give you the straight answer, right between the eyes. Don't be defensive if they tell you that your son is an academic risk. If he is, get him extra instruction to bring up those grades so that he won't be a potential anchor on the team.
The other thing is you stated he is a 'happy go lucky' kid. As a father of a 'happy go lucky' kid I can tell you that sometimes that can come off as a disinterested, immature kid. What you find endearing may come off as distractive to a coach and if a kid comes off as less than dedicated to playing the game a coach may not want to take the chance on him. I have no idea exactly how he looked during the tryouts but if he was goofing around and not paying attention it won't be taken positively.
You stated that your son didn't make the JV team as a freshman. A lot of kids don't but you also stated that he didn't play as a Sophmore because of his grades.
What are his grades? If they are continuously borderline it could have been a deciding factor in putting him on the team. All things being equal a less talented player that the coaches know will be able to play is more valuable than a talented player that is academically ineligible to play. If the coaches fear that your son doesn't have the ability to maintain grades during the season then they probably wouldn't accept him.
My advice: Go the the AD and the HC and specifically ask him what was the deciding factor in him not making the team. Tell the coach to give you the straight answer, right between the eyes. Don't be defensive if they tell you that your son is an academic risk. If he is, get him extra instruction to bring up those grades so that he won't be a potential anchor on the team.
The other thing is you stated he is a 'happy go lucky' kid. As a father of a 'happy go lucky' kid I can tell you that sometimes that can come off as a disinterested, immature kid. What you find endearing may come off as distractive to a coach and if a kid comes off as less than dedicated to playing the game a coach may not want to take the chance on him. I have no idea exactly how he looked during the tryouts but if he was goofing around and not paying attention it won't be taken positively.
quote:Originally posted by Wklink:
I'm going to throw out the grade question here.
You stated that your son didn't make the JV team as a freshman. A lot of kids don't but you also stated that he didn't play as a Sophmore because of his grades.
What are his grades? If they are continuously borderline it could have been a deciding factor in putting him on the team. All things being equal a less talented player that the coaches know will be able to play is more valuable than a talented player that is academically ineligible to play. If the coaches fear that your son doesn't have the ability to maintain grades during the season then they probably wouldn't accept him.
My advice: Go the the AD and the HC and specifically ask him what was the deciding factor in him not making the team. Tell the coach to give you the straight answer, right between the eyes. Don't be defensive if they tell you that your son is an academic risk. If he is, get him extra instruction to bring up those grades so that he won't be a potential anchor on the team.
The other thing is you stated he is a 'happy go lucky' kid. As a father of a 'happy go lucky' kid I can tell you that sometimes that can come off as a disinterested, immature kid. What you find endearing may come off as distractive to a coach and if a kid comes off as less than dedicated to playing the game a coach may not want to take the chance on him. I have no idea exactly how he looked during the tryouts but if he was goofing around and not paying attention it won't be taken positively.
ITA with all of your post. If a student has to take a season off to work on his grades, then what will happen once he plays a sport? Will his grades dip again? It may be the question of his ability to keep up his eligibility that was the deciding factor.
Also, about describing him as "happy-go-lucky"... Sometimes this means the kid is fun to be around but not very mature and can actually bring the team down.
I would have your son take the matter into his own hands and ask the head coach for a meeting. Approach him not from "Why did you cut me when I deserve to be on the team" but as "Where did I fall short". NEVER mention anything about the past and NEVER talk about other players. Ask him right out to be honest and don't hold anything back.
Yes it's hard to believe something @ 7th grade can lead to this. Public Schools are little serfdom's, only as good as the weakest link.
This bad karma, reputation, hung on a kid and a parent is a product of such a school. Yes I have no doubt nor should others that this kinda thing happened.
The signs where all there the best option was to find another school, disbelief... turns into belief with out options, over time.
Good luck.
This bad karma, reputation, hung on a kid and a parent is a product of such a school. Yes I have no doubt nor should others that this kinda thing happened.
The signs where all there the best option was to find another school, disbelief... turns into belief with out options, over time.
Good luck.
quote:Originally posted by showme:
... Public Schools are little serfdom's, only as good as the weakest link.
This is not a public school issue. I've heard stories about this happening at private schools as well.
ALL Institutions (by their very nature) are prone to serfdom type behaviors.
My only advice is don't give up on the Italy trip if that's what he wants to do and you want him to. There are still avenues to play more baseball... there are plenty of small colleges where the boy would get an honest look... research, pick one and go;
best wishes...
best wishes...
Let me take this in another direction for a minute. I have cut kids many times that were more talented than some of the kids I have selected. The ones I selected had a great work ethic. They invested in the program. They were great team mates. They took care of business in the class room. They were a pleasure to be around. They brought toughness and competitiveness to the team. The more talented player , did not have a work ethic. They did not invest in the program. No shows at off season work. No shows at fall work outs. Poor grades , poor academic peformance. They didnt take practice work outs serious and goofed around. They were not a pleasure to be around. They brought the team down.
What they would bring in more talent than the players selected simply did not off set what they didnt bring in the intangibles to the program. When your building a program you must set standards for your players. Players learn what they are and they learn that unless you meet those standards no matter how talented you are you will not be part of the program. If they learn that your talent is more important then you will never get those other players to buy into this philosophy. You will only be as good as your current talent will allow your program to be. You will never build a consistent winning program.
A parents #1 concern is their child. A coaches #1 concern is his program. A parent sees that their child is more talented than Billy so how in the world could my son not make it and Billy did?
Your son was cut as a freshman. Now he does not even come out as a soph. Now he is a jr and he has never put on a uniform in this program. Fair or not he is coming into this season fighting an uphill battle to prove that he deserves to be a part of this program. And that war is not fought with talent alone. What did he do in the off season? Did he attend any off season work outs? Did he attend any fall season work outs? Did he invest anything into the program before the tryouts? Was he competing for a spot against players that had already invested two years in the program?
Now only you know the answers to the questions I have posed. But having a good fastball and having more talent than the other players is not the only criteria that a coach uses to select a team. Having more talent when the other intangibles are there is what matters. Only you know the answers to those questions. Parents may say "I cant believe Billy made the team and Tommy didnt. Tommy is so much better." What is better for a parent just simply may not be what is better for the coaching staff.
Its very easy to say the coach just doesnt like my son. He is more talented than some of the players that made the team. You know what if they cut him they dont like him , you are right. And his lack of talent was not the reason they cut him. So why dont they like him?
You can choose to believe it comes from a long standing grudge that started when your son was in the 7th grade. And if thats truly the case this is a sad situation.
Or you can look deeper into this one and think about what I have posted. Maybe , just maybe your son was talented enough but simply didnt bring the intangibles that caused the coaches to actually like him.
Again I have no idea what happened. I just thought I would offer a different perspective on this one.
What they would bring in more talent than the players selected simply did not off set what they didnt bring in the intangibles to the program. When your building a program you must set standards for your players. Players learn what they are and they learn that unless you meet those standards no matter how talented you are you will not be part of the program. If they learn that your talent is more important then you will never get those other players to buy into this philosophy. You will only be as good as your current talent will allow your program to be. You will never build a consistent winning program.
A parents #1 concern is their child. A coaches #1 concern is his program. A parent sees that their child is more talented than Billy so how in the world could my son not make it and Billy did?
Your son was cut as a freshman. Now he does not even come out as a soph. Now he is a jr and he has never put on a uniform in this program. Fair or not he is coming into this season fighting an uphill battle to prove that he deserves to be a part of this program. And that war is not fought with talent alone. What did he do in the off season? Did he attend any off season work outs? Did he attend any fall season work outs? Did he invest anything into the program before the tryouts? Was he competing for a spot against players that had already invested two years in the program?
Now only you know the answers to the questions I have posed. But having a good fastball and having more talent than the other players is not the only criteria that a coach uses to select a team. Having more talent when the other intangibles are there is what matters. Only you know the answers to those questions. Parents may say "I cant believe Billy made the team and Tommy didnt. Tommy is so much better." What is better for a parent just simply may not be what is better for the coaching staff.
Its very easy to say the coach just doesnt like my son. He is more talented than some of the players that made the team. You know what if they cut him they dont like him , you are right. And his lack of talent was not the reason they cut him. So why dont they like him?
You can choose to believe it comes from a long standing grudge that started when your son was in the 7th grade. And if thats truly the case this is a sad situation.
Or you can look deeper into this one and think about what I have posted. Maybe , just maybe your son was talented enough but simply didnt bring the intangibles that caused the coaches to actually like him.
Again I have no idea what happened. I just thought I would offer a different perspective on this one.
Coach May,
Good post, good advice. However, there are situations where coaches mistake the ability to suck up or fake enthusiam for hard work and being a team player. I've also seen hardworking, quiet kids get cut more because they were just naturally quiet than anything else.
I've seen a situation where a kid was an accomplished suck up who wowed all the coaches with his perceived desire and hard work and his enthusiasm on the bench. He got innings he didn't deserve based on talent and probably hurt the team's chances overall. The reality was that he was a cheater who dogged it. Virtually the same thing happened two years in a row.
To paraphrase: I see gullible coaches and they don't even know they are gullible.
There's a fine line between intangibles and playing favorites. Whenever I hear of a coach who states that he puts intangibles ahead of talent it raises a red flag. Whenever I hear "what's better for the parent may not be better for the coaching staff" even though it may not be what was meant, I hear "we care more about the coaching staff than about the kids". I've gotten cynical and I hear "good for the program" as "good for the coaches, a new batch of kids will be here next year".
We got a lot of talent in youth ball by grabbing the kids who the other coaches didn't want because they or their parents were perceived to be hard to deal with. To this day I look back at those kids and their parents as some of the kids I enjoyed coaching the most and in general their only issue was wanting to win too much. Oh, and one of them was a happy go lucky goofball that nobody wanted. He had a ton of desire inside and his parents were two of the nicest people I've ever met. They simply weren't into playing youth ball politics.
Good post, good advice. However, there are situations where coaches mistake the ability to suck up or fake enthusiam for hard work and being a team player. I've also seen hardworking, quiet kids get cut more because they were just naturally quiet than anything else.
I've seen a situation where a kid was an accomplished suck up who wowed all the coaches with his perceived desire and hard work and his enthusiasm on the bench. He got innings he didn't deserve based on talent and probably hurt the team's chances overall. The reality was that he was a cheater who dogged it. Virtually the same thing happened two years in a row.
To paraphrase: I see gullible coaches and they don't even know they are gullible.
There's a fine line between intangibles and playing favorites. Whenever I hear of a coach who states that he puts intangibles ahead of talent it raises a red flag. Whenever I hear "what's better for the parent may not be better for the coaching staff" even though it may not be what was meant, I hear "we care more about the coaching staff than about the kids". I've gotten cynical and I hear "good for the program" as "good for the coaches, a new batch of kids will be here next year".
We got a lot of talent in youth ball by grabbing the kids who the other coaches didn't want because they or their parents were perceived to be hard to deal with. To this day I look back at those kids and their parents as some of the kids I enjoyed coaching the most and in general their only issue was wanting to win too much. Oh, and one of them was a happy go lucky goofball that nobody wanted. He had a ton of desire inside and his parents were two of the nicest people I've ever met. They simply weren't into playing youth ball politics.
Coach May,
Very good advice and questions. I just assumed the young man took part in all the off season conditioning,drills,etc. Should know better than to assume anything. Your points about investing in the program and attitude are pretty important.
Unfortunately, CADAD's point about perception becoming reality is sometimes true. Our HS team has one kid like this but the coaches have caught on to him (the team has been on his back for a couple years about it). Kid is talented but could be so much better it he would bear down more during the off season.
Quiet or shy kids with talent can struggle to be seen in try outs, particularly when everybody has the same uniform on. I think the kids that work hard during the off season conditioning and are there everyday do make a good impression with the coaches...all coaches value work ethic and attitude and most preach it daily.
Very good advice and questions. I just assumed the young man took part in all the off season conditioning,drills,etc. Should know better than to assume anything. Your points about investing in the program and attitude are pretty important.
Unfortunately, CADAD's point about perception becoming reality is sometimes true. Our HS team has one kid like this but the coaches have caught on to him (the team has been on his back for a couple years about it). Kid is talented but could be so much better it he would bear down more during the off season.
Quiet or shy kids with talent can struggle to be seen in try outs, particularly when everybody has the same uniform on. I think the kids that work hard during the off season conditioning and are there everyday do make a good impression with the coaches...all coaches value work ethic and attitude and most preach it daily.
I give up.
I don't how parents know if kids are fooling the coaches or ******* up. I've never been to my sons off season workouts. If a kid doesnt make the offseason workouts, it would be real hard to make the team. The coaches know who's working hard and who's dogging it. You really need to make an impression on the coach during the off season. Half the time our tryouts are inside, and if the coach doesnt know you already, its hard to shine. Are there bad coaches with a hidden agenda? I'm sure there are some. But for the amount of time they put in year round, and the amount of money they get paid, the coaches I've seen do a remarkable job.
It was pretty simple in this case. They had to run a mile in a certain time. The kid who finished first was just under the required time. This kid and another weren't even close and reported much better times. Cheating? Yes. Eventually as long as the kids make the effort they don't cut them for not making the time so it was just a way to get out of having to run it again. Dogging it? Yes.
So either the coaches didn't know who was really working hard or they didn't care. Based on some things I heard, I think they didn't know, they found out later, and then covered it up, but that's just speculation.
When you've coached almost all of the kids on team for many years you find out a lot of things from the kids.
So either the coaches didn't know who was really working hard or they didn't care. Based on some things I heard, I think they didn't know, they found out later, and then covered it up, but that's just speculation.
When you've coached almost all of the kids on team for many years you find out a lot of things from the kids.
When our HS season is done and over with and onto college - I will tell our "HS Story" - a good ending but the process was not.
I understand both sides here, and I feel bad for any young man or young lady that is cut from a Varsity sport. However, I understand what Coach May is saying in regards to "what's best for the program". I'm assuming that most high school baseball rosters are 16-20 deep? After your main nucleus of position players/main pitchers (assume a couple kids are 2 way Pitcher/Fielder), you generally have 5-7 spots on the roster to fill. I believe that when it comes down to the last couple of spots, more emphasis is put on team chemistry. Sometimes that kid that's always on the fence rooting on his teammates, is the first one to spring up and warm up the outfielders in between innings, and is happy to help out anyway possible is the best fit for a team.
INLIMBO's son is a pitcher. He is a junior, and has one of the better arms in the program. There are Varsity coaches that would see his potential, and possibly begin his season on the JV to get more reps (remember: he hasn't pitched in HS yet). Hopefully his son is in a program that allows juniors to play down? I don't know if INLIMBO's son played with the HS team during the summer or fall? If not, starting the season down on JV makes some sense...Dominate there, and force the coach to bring him up! Good Luck, hopefully it all works out!
INLIMBO's son is a pitcher. He is a junior, and has one of the better arms in the program. There are Varsity coaches that would see his potential, and possibly begin his season on the JV to get more reps (remember: he hasn't pitched in HS yet). Hopefully his son is in a program that allows juniors to play down? I don't know if INLIMBO's son played with the HS team during the summer or fall? If not, starting the season down on JV makes some sense...Dominate there, and force the coach to bring him up! Good Luck, hopefully it all works out!
quote:Well, in a nut shell, the head coach for JV who is also the assistant coach for the varsity team does not like my son or me. And, as I am told by one of the other coaches who I have a good relationship with, he is adamantly against my son being on any team for that high school, ever.
As soon as I hear the coach does not like the player a red flag goes up. But in this case the assistant coach? If it was the case what "other" coach would divulge such?
The bottom line is either your good enough or your not. the head coach is not part of the equation here?
I'm facing a similar situation were the varsity head coach likes my son but wants to start him off on JV for playing time. Varsity only lost 1 player from the previous years so not alot of spots available. The JV coach who coached my son in fall ball doesn't seem to like him. I guess the guy coached a little league team (against my son) and had a club team and if you weren't one of his kids then you weren't going to be now. The varsity coach would give him a line up he want to use with my son starting at centerfield and he would take it and move my son to right or left then take him out after 2 or 3 innings. The varsity head coach who was also my son's PE coach had told him what he had planned and that wasn't it. My son never complained to the coach or anything but I know it bothers him. We worked on everything the coach asked him to work on. Took him to a hitting coach played summer ball and a pre spring season team. Try outs are this week we'll see how it goes.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
I give up.
Don't, your point was excellent. You put it much better than I ever could.
quote:Originally posted by Bas3balldad:
I'm facing a similar situation were the varsity head coach likes my son but wants to start him off on JV for playing time. Varsity only lost 1 player from the previous years so not alot of spots available. The JV coach who coached my son in fall ball doesn't seem to like him. I guess the guy coached a little league team (against my son) and had a club team and if you weren't one of his kids then you weren't going to be now. The varsity coach would give him a line up he want to use with my son starting at centerfield and he would take it and move my son to right or left then take him out after 2 or 3 innings. The varsity head coach who was also my son's PE coach had told him what he had planned and that wasn't it. My son never complained to the coach or anything but I know it bothers him. We worked on everything the coach asked him to work on. Took him to a hitting coach played summer ball and a pre spring season team. Try outs are this week we'll see how it goes.
But those traits are being noticed by the Varsity coach. I am sure he knows very well about the JV coach and your son's attitude and willingness to do 'whatever is needed to help the team' is being noticed by the guy that will be deciding on varsity positions the next year.
Yes, there are bad coaches and there are people who play favorates. We all have seen these kinds of people both in sports and outside of it.
We really have no idea what the situation is. This could be a case of a coach not liking a kid and keeping him off the team. If it is then that is too bad and it shouldn't happen. As a general rule though coaches are graded and retained based upon their success in creating winners and good student athelites and if this coach does this kind of thing too often I doubt he would be around long.
We really don't know anything about the kid in question either. Does he perform in the off season? He may be talented but does he perform as a team player or is he one of those that thinks he knows more than the coach. I do know that attitude is looked upon as much as talent by many coaches. If a kid has athletic ability but has no desire to listen to instruction or play wherever he is needed then he won't make a team.
It may just come down to the fact that the coaches haven't seen the kid play and even with a good workout there may be kids in the loop that have been involved with the program that the coaches feel deserve the spot. The JV coach that doesn't like your son may have had something to do with it but I don't know. There are too many blanks to fill in this story.
OUCH !!!!!!!
You are insinuating some very "heavy" stuff !!!
You are insinuating some very "heavy" stuff !!!
quote:Now if we don't change schools THIS WEEK he won't be able to play next year anywhere in the state according to our state guidelines.
I know nothing about Georgia, but in California, there is a waiver process which may offer relief from the transfer one-year sit out rules.
Players who were cut from one team frequently are allowed to transfer and play that same spring. It takes cooperation from the previous school. Locally we have a strong league made up private schools. Players who are cut from the private schools do transfer to the publics, and play immediately.
Of course, the player needs to have been cut, and not just unhappy with play time, or the interaction with his coaches, etc.
Silly question for INLIMBO---if your son is 16 playing on a team loaded with players already playing for colleges why do you expect a lot of colleges to be at the games?---they have no need to scout college players--or am I reading what you posted incorrectly
And JD thought the story smelled before....now it turns into a happily ever after??? 
I felt compelled to offer my honest assesmnet of the situation.
Cut as a freshmen + lack of grades to play as sophmore + cut as a junior + going to italy during most important time of senior yr = LACK OF DEDICATION
Your son needs to honestly assess how badly he wants to play baseball. If the above asessment of your sons talent is true and he really wants to move on and play baseball in college, he should have put himself in a better situation to succeed. He has yet to play high school baseball and he is a junior. Not knowing anything about your son or the high school, as a coach I would have many questions myself.
Not trying to be confrontational, but something doesn't add up. Just my opinion.
Cut as a freshmen + lack of grades to play as sophmore + cut as a junior + going to italy during most important time of senior yr = LACK OF DEDICATION
Your son needs to honestly assess how badly he wants to play baseball. If the above asessment of your sons talent is true and he really wants to move on and play baseball in college, he should have put himself in a better situation to succeed. He has yet to play high school baseball and he is a junior. Not knowing anything about your son or the high school, as a coach I would have many questions myself.
Not trying to be confrontational, but something doesn't add up. Just my opinion.
When I read this thread I am glad my coaching days are mostly over!
It is not the son I was referring to, I am always happy things work out for players.
I for one say good luck to your son hope it works out for him.
If you expected a positive reaction you haven't been pay attention to this board.I wouldn't say it negative just maybe skeptical would be more appropriate. I think they have heard just about everything. Your story is personal and unique to you but when they've heard stories like it a 100 times they follow the patterns they've seen.
If you expected a positive reaction you haven't been pay attention to this board.I wouldn't say it negative just maybe skeptical would be more appropriate. I think they have heard just about everything. Your story is personal and unique to you but when they've heard stories like it a 100 times they follow the patterns they've seen.
INLIMBO - I never doubted your story nor do I question your motives. The sour grapes stuff about being happy he is not associated with a struggling team - I would let that burden go. He would have loved to be on that team or he would not have tried out for it. Encourage him in his present endeavors and show grace and good-will toward those who made the team. Goodwill begats goodwill imho. Or in another thread, good karma comes back to you as good karma 
INLIMBO
There are a load of teams in tournaments and the coaches go to see the teams that have the prospects--a team with a roster filled with college players does not do it for them-- there is really something very funky with this picture
There are a load of teams in tournaments and the coaches go to see the teams that have the prospects--a team with a roster filled with college players does not do it for them-- there is really something very funky with this picture
quote:Originally posted by INLIMBO:
But wouldn't have the opportunity he has now if he did since our HS team does not allow their players to play for sumemr teams, or rather STRONGLY suggest they do not.
A coach that doesn't want his kids playing summer ball? That doesn't make a lick of sense.
A coach that doesn't want his kids playing summer ball? That doesn't make a lick of sense.[/QUOTE]
It's probably a control issue. Some coaches have there own teams in the summer coached by an assistant or someone he knows. They want input on who plays and were. A kid maybe gets to pitch for a club but not his high school or vise versa.
My son played with a winter club team between fall ball and spring tryout at the school. When the head coach found out he basically called club teams a scam to make money. He maybe be right I don't know but my son got some more at bats and playing time you'd think that would be a good thing.
It's probably a control issue. Some coaches have there own teams in the summer coached by an assistant or someone he knows. They want input on who plays and were. A kid maybe gets to pitch for a club but not his high school or vise versa.
My son played with a winter club team between fall ball and spring tryout at the school. When the head coach found out he basically called club teams a scam to make money. He maybe be right I don't know but my son got some more at bats and playing time you'd think that would be a good thing.
quote:Originally posted by INLIMBO:
He is 16 years old with half the team already playing for colleges on scholarship with many past players currently playing in the majors. Many great tournaments with heavy college coach and MLB scouting attendance is on the books.
JMO, your son should be playing with and against those of his graduating class, not those much older than him. How much playing time will he get with older college players?
I agree with CD's comments, let it go, you were so upset he didn't make the team now happy because they have lost 3 games.
What tournaments? Most have age requirements. Don't college players play in summer wood tournies against other college players? This makes sense, and what HS coach (in Georgia especially) doesn't allow players to play sumner ball? JMO.
I am glad that things may be working out better for your son, but be real careful that you understand all of the details.
Post up some video of your kid if you want an honest assessment. Tha should settle the 'disbelief' issue.
quote:Originally posted by INLIMBO:
Thank goodness because our school's varsity team is already 1-3 with very ugly losses and the only win by a small margin against one of the worst teams in our division. I feel really bad for the players on the team having to weather this record but feel my son is lucky not to be a part of it this year. Maybe good things do happen to good kids after all!
I beleive this is what you posted.
I got to ask this question again, what tournaments will they team play, as there are age limitations and you do not see college players on teams with HS players, especially at the ones that I am assuming are for college opportunities. Or am I not understanding your point? Did you mean some are signed to go to college with scholarships?
I have never heard of coaches not allowing players to play in summer, this makes them better players overall, or did you mean just couldn't play for anyone else's team.
That is absolutely pathetic imo. The team is lucky your not part of it.
Amen. Little League is over.