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Several threads over the past few weeks have referred to “politics” with regard to high school team selection. I suspect this will be discussed much during the next few weeks as teams start conducting and completing tryouts, and some players are left off rosters. I would like to offer my 2 cents with regards to politics in high school sports. Keep in mind that my oldest is a freshman in high school, I do not have the experience of many that have been there before, but I can tell you what I know and what I suspect based on what I observe in our community. It is a long post Wink

Does politics come into play in high school sports? Absolutely, 100% positive it comes into play at my son’s school, and I will never be convinced otherwise by anybody who says anything different. It has not yet affected my son, and I pray it will not, but it definitely happens.

I will site an example of what happened on the freshman football team. One player did not attend the summer camp put on by the coaches because his family was on vacation; he missed the first 3 days of regular practice for some other reason. He shows up to practice on the 4th day and on the 5th day is placed as a defensive starter. There were 75 players on the freshman football team, so it’s not like they were lacking talent. This player’s mom is very active in all aspects of youth sports and high-school boosters, is chats up the coaches, makes cupcakes - all that stuff. I do not pay much attention to her or her antics, but many people do. Whether or not the player was good enough to be the starter is irrelevant, he missed the 2 week camp while all the other players worked through the 95 degree weather in July, missed the first 3 days of practice and “won” the job after 1 practice. Maybe the coach saw something that knocked his socks off, but I will never believe politics did not play a role. Thankfully this player did not play the same position as my son, so he personally was not affected.

Unless you are a parent like this mom and have cozied yourself up to the coaches, or you are the parent of the rare extremely gifted, true 5 tool player, you may be a little nervous like I am approaching tryouts. My son is not one of those “5 tool players”, he is undersized and is not very fast, what he does have is instincts. On the football team he did not get a chance to play until the 3rd game. Since they do not scrimmage anymore (this I do not understand), he never got a chance to show what he could do at practice. Once he got a chance to play in a game, he never left the field for the rest of the year. He has a nose for where the ball is going and hits harder than kids outweighing him by 20-30 pounds. In baseball, he will probably lose most foot races, but if you have a runner on 2nd with 1 out – he will hit the ball to right side and get that run in or at least move him over. If he is playing infield he will get to the ball and fire a rocket across the diamond. He has terrific instincts, and that you cannot teach or coach – but he is always a bubble kid because of his lack of size and speed.

Now, since I know politics plays a role, and my son is probably a bubble kid that can very easily be the odd-man out due to a political pick, what can I do about it? The answer is absolutely nothing! Let’s explore a few of my options of this actually happens.

I can...
1. Complain to the coach that he is unfair and he let politics influence his decision.
2. Rally the members of HSBBWEB to e-mail the AD and have the coach fired.
3. Complain to any parent that will listen and speak loudly enough so the one’s that won’t listen will at least hear me.
4. Tell my son he was cheated and that the coach does not know what he is doing.
5. Move or switch schools.

Now let’s talk reality and what I tell my son, does he listen to all of it all the time? Probably about as well as your 14 year old does, or did.

1. You need to work harder than everybody else at every practice every day.
2. You are not naturally fast, you should be working on that and running sprints every day to improve your speed.
3. Never miss a workout organized by your coaches unless it has something to do with improving your grades (tutoring, etc), or you are sick and excused. He needs to call the coach if he will miss. There is no way I would plan a family vacation during summer football/baseball camp.
4. Make sure you say hi to your coaches every time you see them. Make sure they know you are in the weight room and running. No a**-kissing, just say hi so they see you and know you are there. Always be respectful, say “Hi Coach”, not “hey”
5. Stay away from the goof-offs at practice and in the weightroom, in fact, stay away in general. This does not mean “no fun” - you know what I’m talking about.
6. Do not let your coach see you with your pants hanging halfway down you’re a** and your hat on sideways, in fact, don’t let anybody see you looking like that.
7. Keep the grades up.
8. When you get a chance to hit, throw, or catch for your coaches, stay focused and relaxed. You may not get a second chance so be prepared.
9. You never know who is watching you or when, always work out and prepare as if your coach were right next to you.
10. Nothing will be handed to you, you will have to work for everything you get for the rest of your life. Might as well get used to it now.
11. If you can look yourself in the mirror at night and say “Today I did my best” then you had a good day. If you can’t say that then work so you can say it tomorrow night.

Now if my son gets cut and I think “politics” were involved, I will be very disappointed and hurt for him – but I hope I will take the high road.

Bottom line. Politics, patronage, cronyism, pay-to-play exists everywhere in all walks of life. Happens at your church, work, grammar school, high school, local government, state government, federal government, etc. It is part of life….
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I agree. Excellent post...

However, you're assuming that the coach was unfamilar with the kid who missed camp and made his decision based on one practice. When my son showed up as a freshman I didn't realize that the coach already 'knew' him from contacting other coaches that had seen my son play. At first I thought he was the most perceptive coach ever!

Last year's starting LF'er is still playing basketball. Even though he's missed most practices, the spot is his. I'm not sure the incoming kids (and parents) realize that ...However, he's worried that someone is going to 'jack his spot' before he can get back so he has shown up when the basketball coach isn't looking...
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I will site an example of what happened on the freshman football team. One player did not attend the summer camp put on by the coaches because his family was on vacation; he missed the first 3 days of regular practice for some other reason. He shows up to practice on the 4th day and on the 5th day is placed as a defensive starter.
It's not always politics no matter how loud assuming people scream. My son quit playing s****r (school and travel) to play football in middle school. Freshman year of high school he decided the banging in football on Fridays and travel fall ball on weekends was not a good mix. A couple of times in middle school he couldn't grip the bat from getting his hands dinged up on Friday. His plan for the fall was to practice basketball or workout after school. After a week he got bored. He went to the varsity s****r coach and asked to be put on the freshman team. He missed all the summer workouts and the first week of school practice.

After one week of practice he was named the starting goalie. Two weeks later he was the starting goalie on JV. You should have heard the accusations. I've been active in the local youth sports organization. I've been on the board for baseball and still on the basketball board. For an entire season we heard how I rigged this situation for my son. The parents of the two other goalies were the biggest promoters of the lie. I was never involved in the youth s****r program. Until this year when my son started on varsity I don't think the varsity coach would have known me if I walked up and said hello.

Sometimes it's just about talent. Sometimes the most involved parents are those of the talented athletes.
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Sometimes it's just about talent. Sometimes the most involved parents are those of the talented athletes
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Thank you, RJM! And TR.

As one of those "involved" moms that has been maligned on this site recently, I do get tired of hearing that certain players get breaks because of involved parents. I don't make cupcakes or give more money than anyone else, but I have put a tremendous amount of time into volunteering activities that benefited all of the players. I get so tired of the phrases "through the grapevine," and "my source said" and everyone always assumes the very worst when in reality they don't have a clue.

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Apologies have been made and accepted, bygones are bygones. I don't want to dredge up all the at stuff again since I am not very anonymous. Smile
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But the fact remains - take your gossip with a grain of salt.
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2BMom, I did not take it from the poster that all volunteers are the problem.I am a firm beliver that without the "volunteers" that a program will not survive in a competitive atomosphere. I think we all know that there are politics involved at every level of competitive baseball and the more a program can get passed the politics the better off the program will be.Some people will always be jealous of a kid that is truly talented.
2bmom
Like lodi said, I did not mean to imply that volunteers were a problem. That is not my point. The point I was trying to make is that these types of situations are beyond the control of the player. He has to worry about what he can control and not worry about what he can't. And parents should stay out of the "blame game" and try to instill in their kids a work ethic.

There was no gossip implied here, I did not "hear anything through the grapevine"..
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Sorry TRHit, I will keep it to myself next time. Did not mean to bore you


grinder, No need to apologize. Some of the old timers have just read about this same topic over and over and just probably tired of it. But you are going through it for the first time,so to you it is new and stressful. That is what this web site is for. Highschool baseball web.
As far as advice to your son, that was great. As far as politics, it is what it is.You only control what you can control.My son was much like your son as a freshmen.I worried because he was at a HS that he knew no one. We had moved. There were approx.35-40 kids for freshmen team, that had all played together in LL. My son was in a diff. LL.That year 7 kids were moved to JV.They were kids the coaches knew, my son was on small side etc..He wanted to make JV really badly and worked hard.We told him be a leader on the frosh team. Work to be the best you can be, he and another boy got the MVP that year. We loved the frosh team and had a blast. I wasnt too worried, because he would be playing travel ball all summer to see better pitching.
Following year those 7 guys that moved up, one went to varsity, he was well known football star,I though m son was a better player, other kid was a beter athlete.So we have 6 guys who already played JV for a year. That leaves 3 positions. Was there politics, to some degree, coaches knew the other kids.by the middle of season my guy was starting and playing full time.He had grown, got stronger faster.You can play past the politics, maybe some guys get burnt,but from what I have seen if you work hard and bring your abilities to the field you will get noticed.
2bmom,one thing good about my sons HS, they didnt let parents help with much at all. I think ALL parents had to work the pop warner football snack bar as a fundraise along with kids.They dont allow much parental involvement becasue they were most likely accused in the past of having favorites.I think it is good you stepped out of it.It really stinks when you have to hear your kid is getting favored.Believe me it even happens at the next level if you can believe that. People all think their kids are the best, they really , really do.
Even at the college level, when freshmen play over older players, things are said and its difficult to hear.I just watch games and go home, cheer everyone on and smile, and chit chat briefly with parents.nothing you can do. Alot of jealousy when their kids arent playing.
At the next level everyone was a HS star so it is even more competitive, and parents think their kids should play.I just leave it to the coaches, I have to just trust they will do what is right. I cant spend the energy stressing over baseball.So far my son has played, but he just went 1-7 in last two games , dropped his avg. almost 100 points in a week. from almost .400 to little over .300, so maybe they will give other boys chance to get hot.Cant control it, cant fix it, cant do squat about it.
As your HS kid starts to grow, and grow away from you, and your college kids as well, you begin to not be involved,they are thier own people, coaches deal with them , not you,it is not about you at all. get ready for that transition,learn to be a supportive by stander, that is there when they need to talk about their failures, if they even want to talk to you.
And baseball is a moment in time, I know its a long moment, but try to just enjoy the little things about the game.The smell of the grass, the brand new white ball at the beginning of the game, the white chalk lines that look so nice before the game, the national anthem while your son stands on the field with his teammates,while other families have sons in the war zone,the friendships they and you form,your sons first HS hit, HR, college hit , college HR,make memories of all this, because it will soon be over.
I hope the best for all the HS kids trying out, it is stressful and we all have gone through it.yes sometimes really good kids get away with things others dont, but trust me it eventually all even outs. Work hard always,work hard in the off season,keep your grades up,stay out of trouble,if you do thos things, even if baseball does not work out, yo have a good start to adulthood.
In our league one of the high schools has a brand new field the is better than 90% of the JC's in the area. I was told it cost about 3 million. It has the new turf, fantastic batting cages with all the toys, home club house with all the toys, a fantastic score board and the part I like the most stadium seating (indivudal seats). Truly a great place to play and watch a game. The money was donated by a parent of a player on the team.

I must admit when I heard about the donation and the fact that a parent of a player put up the money I wondered about possible politics. I was anxious to see the player preform. Well I am happy to say he is a very good player. As a matter of fact he was honored as player of the Year in our league for last season. I am sure he will play somewhere at the next level. Even better he is a good kid as my son had spoken to him during games and at one or two showcases and has told me he is cool.

This one of those instances where the father simply wanted to do something nice for the program. As I understand the old field was just a disaster. Wonder how many whispers the family had to put up with and how many fathers thought their son was not getting a fair chance at the same posistion because of the donation. The kid could play and that is why he was the starter.
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Sometimes what is best for the program looks like politics from the outside. A good friend whose son is a freshman, just made the Freshman team. He is better than the JV catchers in all areas. The only catcher that is better is the varsity starter. From the outside it could look like politics is the only thing keeping him off of the JV but in reality, the coaches want to give the sophmores some time to show what they can do and keep them in the program. If the varsity catcher gets hurt, then it is a new situation and he will probably get called up over the JV catchers.

It looks like politics if you don't know all of the details.
I see this a few different ways...

1) its obvious why a coach would be partial to the kid whose parents do the extra little things ...but those things can be done by everyone. No one is stopping anyone from doing that stuff.

2) Often times it IS the most talented players whose parents are most dedicated...because they want to see the best program they can.

3) Politics typically only affects the "tweener" players who are on the bubble. A very talented kid will get played regardless of politics, and a less talented kid wont get played or will get cut regardless of politics. I'm not saying I agree...just the way it seems.

"Politics is either being at the table or being on the menu" - Bill Clinton
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2) Often times it IS the most talented players whose parents are most dedicated...because they want to see the best program they can.

3) Politics typically only affects the "tweener" players who are on the bubble. A very talented kid will get played regardless of politics, and a less talented kid wont get played or will get cut regardless of politics. I'm not saying I agree...just the way it seems.

2 great observations IMHO
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The point I was trying to make is that these types of situations are beyond the control of the player. He has to worry about what he can control and not worry about what he can't. And parents should stay out of the "blame game" and try to instill in their kids a work ethic.


That is indeed a good point. Smile

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There was no gossip implied here, I did not "hear anything through the grapevine"..


Sorry, grinder. That stuff was in another thread, and I should have written something at that time, but decided to let it go because the thread had turned positive. I sort of heard it again in my head when I read your post.

EStone, nicely done.
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From the outside it could look like politics is the only thing keeping him off of the JV but in reality, the coaches want to give the sophmores some time to show what they can do and keep them in the program.
It looks like politics if you don't know all of the details.


That's a fair point. I believe some coaches also will give their upperclassmen their due if all things are relatively equal and let the underclassmen pay their dues in the system.

IMO, I see no urgency for any HS program to rush up a freshman or a sophomore unless he is better than any of the starters or reserves on varsity or there's a position that's open and will slot right in as a starter at the next level. Perhaps it's different in a small school system where there's barely enough players to make a varsity squad but schools that carry a Freshman, JV and a Varsity team generally have no shortage of players on the team or trying out for the team.

I just think the upperclassmen have the maturity edge which is what is needed when the games get a little bigger late in the season.
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Originally posted by TRhit:
It honestly gets tiring reading these sort of posts---


OOOOOHHHH NOOOOOO I am becoming TR.....

I agree.

The Coach will put the best 9 Varsity players out there PERIOD. He does not give a rats behind what his parents do.did.will.do.

Below this level he & his coaching staff will look at kids and move them around based on each team's need or how they think a certain player will develop or need to develop. It is really not all that complicated.
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Originally posted by TRhit:
It honestly gets tiring reading these sort of posts---

Well TRhit, there are two things in life we can't avoid, taxes and death. Now lets add a third, "High School Politics". Wink
4) Insurance premium increases.
look the original poster is new. not been around for a long time.He has the right to say what he wants.maybe he percieves it as politics, it does happen cant deny it.I agree the best players will be on the field probably 99.999 percent of the time.Sometimes the old timers just jump all over new posters. If I were new I do not think I would come back half the time.
And personally I stand by not getting involved with the team at HS level, that way their are no chances of being accused.I am glad our HS coaches did their own fund raisers and the kids had to help, parents didnt do anything except work football snack bar, and as mentioned before all did it.
Maybe this dad is a little nervous, his son is smaller, not the fastest but might be a good little player.sometimes those types of players do get overlooked.
One thing I do know for sure, just because someone has "Old Timer" next to their name and they have thousands of posts - it does not make them smarter, more intuitive, wiser or better than the rest of us - just means they have more posts!

Also, I am not talking about varsity baseball here - it is freshman baseball. Not many freshman compete for varsity spots around here, maybe sophomore.

Lastly, I have no idea or pretend to know if politics will have any bearing on the freshman baseball roster. I do not hang around the school or listen to other parent's observations. I have not spoken more than 3 words to the freshman baseball coach. If my son does not make the team, it will be because he did not work hard enough or is not good enough to make the team, plain and simple, politics or not. If he makes the team, great for him!
grinder,

I wish your son the best.Tell him to keep hs chin up and get really dirty every practice.Tell him to run on and off the field,hustle, hustle, play hard and do his best.
I remenber the emotions of when my son tried out for frosh ball,they would post cuts on Saturday so the boys had the weekend do digest it.I remeber every Saturday for three weeks and gdriving my son to look at the list and his anticipation if he made it or not.
It usually works out if the player has a decent amt. of talent, unless you are in a hot bed of extreme talent.Good luck let us know what happens
Zombywoof,

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That's a fair point. I believe some coaches also will give their upperclassmen their due if all things are relatively equal and let the underclassmen pay their dues in the system.


Our coaches follow the rule that if a younger player is equal to an older player, the younger gets preference because he has an opportunity to develop into an even better player. We had 5-6 sophomore starters last year on a very good varsity squad.

On another note, at nearly every high school that has a respected, quality program, you can't find a scent of politics. They want to win too badly to let anything get in the way. Joe Montana's son transfers to another high school because he isn't going to get snaps at his existing high school. I know of a team where a big excutive sponsors the team, buys all uniforms, etc., and his son (whio is a good player) barely played because there are players better at his postion. The kid is good enough to start on half the teams in our league.

Politics is almost a sure sign of a mediocre program.
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Originally posted by Danny Boydston:

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Originally posted by TRhit:
It honestly gets tiring reading these sort of posts---

Well TRhit, there are two things in life we can't avoid, taxes and death. Now lets add a third, "High School Politics".
4) Insurance premium increases.



5. Global warming (but shouldn't it make the balls fly farther?)
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Originally posted by Estone28:
Politics typically only affects the "tweener" players who are on the bubble. A very talented kid will get played regardless of politics, and a less talented kid wont get played or will get cut regardless of politics. I'm not saying I agree...just the way it seems.


This is a very astute observation. The lesson to be learned, for those new to high school baseball, is to be obviously the best player.

One could waste his time with politics, gaining favor to garner playing time for his kid, but for what reason? He is a marginal player! Marginal players eventually are left behind in the dust bin. Look, in baseball, here is the Golden Rule:

You are either a rising star, or you are out.

So forget about politics. If you have to worry about politics, you're not good enough. Get better.
Well I've certainly been "guilty" of helping coaches do field work etc. I love baseball and enjoy working on fields, building dugouts, batting cages, backstops, scoreboards, leveling infields and spreading infield dirt. Sure, I heard whispers that my son was favored because of all the work I was doing, but I was never the one talking to the coach about playing time or going over the scorebook to make my sons era and batting average look better. When they had work days I always made sure my son and I were there and the whisperers and their kids were the ones who wouldn't show up. If there's work to be done, I love helping out. I did this from coach pitch thru high school.
Sadly enough, I wasn't needed at the college level. But the coaches in college were obviously influenced by the work that I had done up to that point because they still seemed to like my son without knowing who I was, someone must have ratted on me...
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Sadly enough, I wasn't needed at the college level. But the coaches in college were obviously influenced by the work that I had done up to that point because they still seemed to like my son without knowing who I was, someone must have ratted on me...

It was me who ratted you out IB - I confess. I am responsible for the fine career your son had with the Golden Flashes. I also tipped off the pro scouts and they were so impressed with the information they drafted him twice Big Grin
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Our coaches follow the rule that if a younger player is equal to an older player, the younger gets preference because he has an opportunity to develop into an even better player. We had 5-6 sophomore starters last year on a very good varsity squad.


All things being equal, I'd still take experience. However, if a sophomore player or players can make an immediate impact, they should be playing up. This happened on my son's team last year. The varsity coach called up a couple kids on JV to fill a couple of areas that were struggling and they played well and earned significant playing time and were impact players in the playoffs.

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