Son is running a mile every other day to get into shape for baseball. Should he be doing distance since baseball is start and stop?
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A little distance running is ok, but certainly not needed.
Focus more on sprints, backwards sprints, lateral sprints, GPP, movement preparation and hurdle mobility drills.
Focus more on sprints, backwards sprints, lateral sprints, GPP, movement preparation and hurdle mobility drills.
Jon,
Agree, but I think a starting pitcher who wants to go deep had better be in top cardio condition. Whether running, swimming, biking, walking, what have you. I think without conditioning the heart and lungs through cardio a starter may have problems.
Agree, but I think a starting pitcher who wants to go deep had better be in top cardio condition. Whether running, swimming, biking, walking, what have you. I think without conditioning the heart and lungs through cardio a starter may have problems.
Bum,
Couldn't agree more. But pitching is not a steady-state activity. So why would you train in that manner?
The pitcher needs many bursts of energy and power throughout the game, all which activities I listed above build.
Couldn't agree more. But pitching is not a steady-state activity. So why would you train in that manner?
The pitcher needs many bursts of energy and power throughout the game, all which activities I listed above build.
My son is a FR college pitcher. He's never had to run so much in his life! Here's a list of what he shared over the holidays:
Every week....
Long run DAY AFTER bull pens, at least 2-3 per week. Once is 6 miles (long course similar to cross-country), others are closer to 4 miles.
Poles, sprinting from foul pole to foul pole... and back again... being one pole. I believe they run 12 poles and its also timed.
Mile run once a week, timed. Goal is 6 minutes and about 3/4 of the pitchers makes it under time.
So... they run EVERY DAY except Sunday.
Add in all the dynamic warm-ups and conditioning (weights) with the strength coach on days you don't pitch, and you won't be putting on any weight your FR year. They keep giving the boys protein shakes so they don't waste away! Thank God for the unlimited meal plan!
I asked my son why pitchers run the timed 6 minute mile, not seeing the relation to pitching. He said it gives them one more thing to fail at so the coaches can keep them humble!
Every week....
Long run DAY AFTER bull pens, at least 2-3 per week. Once is 6 miles (long course similar to cross-country), others are closer to 4 miles.
Poles, sprinting from foul pole to foul pole... and back again... being one pole. I believe they run 12 poles and its also timed.
Mile run once a week, timed. Goal is 6 minutes and about 3/4 of the pitchers makes it under time.
So... they run EVERY DAY except Sunday.
Add in all the dynamic warm-ups and conditioning (weights) with the strength coach on days you don't pitch, and you won't be putting on any weight your FR year. They keep giving the boys protein shakes so they don't waste away! Thank God for the unlimited meal plan!
I asked my son why pitchers run the timed 6 minute mile, not seeing the relation to pitching. He said it gives them one more thing to fail at so the coaches can keep them humble!
I agree with Jon's staments on appropriate training. Although I like to include distance running for my baseball players, after doing some research, I am including more interval training since it more closely simulates the action of the sport and is also good for general conditioning and fitness maintenance.
There is no good reason, other than "tradition" and coaches who simply do not understand, to run distance so often.
Why would someone run their pitcher so much that they can't put on muscle?
Sorry to sound so negative, but it really bothers me when I see programs like this.
Why would someone run their pitcher so much that they can't put on muscle?
Sorry to sound so negative, but it really bothers me when I see programs like this.
I would think more explosive training/running would help. I would look into plyometric training as a possible form of exercise.
quote:Originally posted by KCBaseball:
My son is a FR college pitcher. He's never had to run so much in his life! Here's a list of what he shared over the holidays:
Every week....
Long run DAY AFTER bull pens, at least 2-3 per week. Once is 6 miles (long course similar to cross-country), others are closer to 4 miles.
Poles, sprinting from foul pole to foul pole... and back again... being one pole. I believe they run 12 poles and its also timed.
Mile run once a week, timed. Goal is 6 minutes and about 3/4 of the pitchers makes it under time.
So... they run EVERY DAY except Sunday.
Add in all the dynamic warm-ups and conditioning (weights) with the strength coach on days you don't pitch, and you won't be putting on any weight your FR year. They keep giving the boys protein shakes so they don't waste away! Thank God for the unlimited meal plan!
I asked my son why pitchers run the timed 6 minute mile, not seeing the relation to pitching. He said it gives them one more thing to fail at so the coaches can keep them humble!
HOW DO ANYOF THEM GAIN MASS?
Running doesn't take away muscle. KC has it nailed with his son's workouts. You will lose a lot of water and salts.
You have to replace water and salts but running helps with cardio and lower body strength.
Take a look at some of the ML pitchers routines. It includes long distance running.
LD running may be tradition but it is absolutly required.
They gain mass by proper nutrition and conditioning including weights plyometrics and all the good stuff.
You have to replace water and salts but running helps with cardio and lower body strength.
Take a look at some of the ML pitchers routines. It includes long distance running.
LD running may be tradition but it is absolutly required.
They gain mass by proper nutrition and conditioning including weights plyometrics and all the good stuff.
I have yet to meet the majority of college players or their coaches, but I sincerely doubt that over 60% of them have good enough nutrition to add decent amounts of mass in the offseason while running 6 days a week (>15 miles per week), especially with practice, class, schoolwork, and other things that don't include free time and fun.
Who said anything about off season.
My son has gained 17 lbs since August in his soph year.
His schedule is atleast as tough as KC's son including the LD running. One way they lost weight was that most of then threw up in the 100 plus weather. My son ran like this since he was 16 on his elite team. He was 6'3 168lbs and is now 185-187lbs.
There is only one way to become a top athlete and that is to work harder than anyone else He was prepared to get up early and train, go to class and then start training right after class. Most college players don't get home until 10-11 at night then they study.
My son has gained 17 lbs since August in his soph year.
His schedule is atleast as tough as KC's son including the LD running. One way they lost weight was that most of then threw up in the 100 plus weather. My son ran like this since he was 16 on his elite team. He was 6'3 168lbs and is now 185-187lbs.
There is only one way to become a top athlete and that is to work harder than anyone else He was prepared to get up early and train, go to class and then start training right after class. Most college players don't get home until 10-11 at night then they study.
Actually, LD running does burn muscle as it negatively effects hormonal levels. Just look at any marathon runner in comparison to a sprinter. Their body type explains it all.
Elite athletes can (and should) have a higher work volume than non-elite athletes.
The large majority of players, notice I did not say all, will fail on the workout listed above.
Elite athletes can (and should) have a higher work volume than non-elite athletes.
The large majority of players, notice I did not say all, will fail on the workout listed above.
Bobblehead, I'd be interested in any documented info that shows that LD running builds leg strength.....
Good article in the latest Collegiate Baseball mag by Leo Mazzone on pitching.
He advocates two bullpens between starts instead of the normal one that most teams utilize.
He also doesn't have his pitchers do the normal running that most do. As he said, (paraphrasing) "I've yet to see any pitcher run the ball to home plate". Of course he's working with the more elite pitchers who should already be in fairly good cardio condition.
He advocates two bullpens between starts instead of the normal one that most teams utilize.
He also doesn't have his pitchers do the normal running that most do. As he said, (paraphrasing) "I've yet to see any pitcher run the ball to home plate". Of course he's working with the more elite pitchers who should already be in fairly good cardio condition.
It is sad to see that your son has been running all of that distance. Like Jon said...look at a sprinter and then a marathon runner...
Unfortunately someday someone will have to tell the coach that he is is fact wrong, which is a very hard thing to do obviously. This winter to prepare for baseball I'm running indoor track (55m and 4x200), and I train almost exclusively anaerobically...I run the mile once or twice a week for general cardio but that's about it. There is no mystery here...training exclusively like a distance athlete is not good for baseball, or any ANaerobic sport. Some long distance cardio is necessary for general health, but for body composition and cross-training purposes, sprinting is far superior. There is really no other argument that is actually based on current science.
Unfortunately someday someone will have to tell the coach that he is is fact wrong, which is a very hard thing to do obviously. This winter to prepare for baseball I'm running indoor track (55m and 4x200), and I train almost exclusively anaerobically...I run the mile once or twice a week for general cardio but that's about it. There is no mystery here...training exclusively like a distance athlete is not good for baseball, or any ANaerobic sport. Some long distance cardio is necessary for general health, but for body composition and cross-training purposes, sprinting is far superior. There is really no other argument that is actually based on current science.
jsorb8997,
A starting pitcher's INDIVIDUAL PITCH is an anaerobic exercise, but the 7 INNINGS HE PITCHES is most definitely aerobic. I just believe (in the case of the starting pitcher) a balance should be struck.
It seems to work for Roger Clemens.
Agree that for the position player sprinting is superior.
A starting pitcher's INDIVIDUAL PITCH is an anaerobic exercise, but the 7 INNINGS HE PITCHES is most definitely aerobic. I just believe (in the case of the starting pitcher) a balance should be struck.
It seems to work for Roger Clemens.
Agree that for the position player sprinting is superior.
I think something is getting lost here.
Without a doubt a pitcher needs conditioning.
Because I suggested that LD running should not be performed does not mean conditioning is not needed.
There are just many better ways, as I listed above.
I highly suggest everyone tries a few rounds of GPP and you will know exactly what I'm talking about. It certainly is hard work. Much, much more difficult than running.
Here's how its done...
Lets compare a pitcher who goes for a 6 mile run. This may take him between 25-35 minutes depending upon his conditioning. It is steady-stae the entire time and an extreme activity of repetitive movement (do you know any runner who has healthy knees, hips and back? It is very rare).
So this picther runs for 30 minutes and is fatigued but what energy system has he trained? One that is similar to demands of a pitcher?
Now let;s compare with General Physical Preparation (GPP)...
It is done in two minute round. Four exercises doen for 30 seconds in circuit fashion.
For example:
Jumping Jacks...30 reps in 30 seconds
Shuffle Splits...30 reps in 30 seconds
Burpees...12-15 reps in 30 seconds
Mountain Climbers...60 reps in 30 seconds
repeat for desired time amount
Now the first two exercises here are the "resting" portion. This is when you learn how to breath and control your own heart rate, but still move. Obviously this is important because all great pitchers (and athletes) know how to control their heart rate in pressure situations. The ones that can't fail. It's as simple as that.
The second two exercises are when you step it up and really challenge your heart rate. This is when conditioning is being developed.
I urge anyone who think running is better (and needed to succeed) to attempt a few rounds of GPP. Most athletes, even conditioned ones, have a hard time with just a few rounds of GPP, let alone 25-35 minutes of it.
Hopefully this clears things up for everyone. I also hope the coaches reading this start to use this ASAP and recognize just how valuable this is.
Without a doubt a pitcher needs conditioning.
Because I suggested that LD running should not be performed does not mean conditioning is not needed.
There are just many better ways, as I listed above.
I highly suggest everyone tries a few rounds of GPP and you will know exactly what I'm talking about. It certainly is hard work. Much, much more difficult than running.
Here's how its done...
Lets compare a pitcher who goes for a 6 mile run. This may take him between 25-35 minutes depending upon his conditioning. It is steady-stae the entire time and an extreme activity of repetitive movement (do you know any runner who has healthy knees, hips and back? It is very rare).
So this picther runs for 30 minutes and is fatigued but what energy system has he trained? One that is similar to demands of a pitcher?
Now let;s compare with General Physical Preparation (GPP)...
It is done in two minute round. Four exercises doen for 30 seconds in circuit fashion.
For example:
Jumping Jacks...30 reps in 30 seconds
Shuffle Splits...30 reps in 30 seconds
Burpees...12-15 reps in 30 seconds
Mountain Climbers...60 reps in 30 seconds
repeat for desired time amount
Now the first two exercises here are the "resting" portion. This is when you learn how to breath and control your own heart rate, but still move. Obviously this is important because all great pitchers (and athletes) know how to control their heart rate in pressure situations. The ones that can't fail. It's as simple as that.
The second two exercises are when you step it up and really challenge your heart rate. This is when conditioning is being developed.
I urge anyone who think running is better (and needed to succeed) to attempt a few rounds of GPP. Most athletes, even conditioned ones, have a hard time with just a few rounds of GPP, let alone 25-35 minutes of it.
Hopefully this clears things up for everyone. I also hope the coaches reading this start to use this ASAP and recognize just how valuable this is.
quote:Originally posted by Bum:
jsorb8997,
A starting pitcher's INDIVIDUAL PITCH is an anaerobic exercise, but the 7 INNINGS HE PITCHES is most definitely aerobic.
Not true at all. Check out the articles on the "Miscelleneous" page of my website if you'd like to educate yourself.
Jon,
I am not an advocate of long-distance running for pitchers. I'm just saying it's worked for some, like Clemens. I agree with everything else you've said.
Rather, I am an advocate of cardio-conditioning for starting pitchers. Running, as you state, might be counter-productive to any great extent. But I think biking, walking, the stairmaster, light swimming, and even long-tossing can be an acceptable substitute. Without an adequate maximum oxygen uptake (MOU) the starter will eventually fatigue and adjust his mechanics negatively.
I am not an advocate of long-distance running for pitchers. I'm just saying it's worked for some, like Clemens. I agree with everything else you've said.
Rather, I am an advocate of cardio-conditioning for starting pitchers. Running, as you state, might be counter-productive to any great extent. But I think biking, walking, the stairmaster, light swimming, and even long-tossing can be an acceptable substitute. Without an adequate maximum oxygen uptake (MOU) the starter will eventually fatigue and adjust his mechanics negatively.
Bum,
Have you tried GPP?
Have you tried GPP?
Jon I was a sprinter in HS and I was 6'1 220lbs as a freshman. I sprinted because my body type made it impossible to maintain a high level of competitiveness. A large body made it difficult to go long. I was a heavy weigh lifter who loved instant bursts but I still did LD and never lost any muscle. In fact I gained weight.
The LD guys were all small framed and had amazing leg strength. They were never bulky they were just built right for the LD running even down to relatively small feet. If you start burning muscle in any areobic activity you aren't eating right. Muscle is the last source of fuel that a body uses.
I have studied several books on pitching and everyone of them includes LD. I knoe that there are people who try to use logic to separate themseleves from other gurus but I would follow tried and proven methods. LD is one of the ingerdients to achieving success in sports. Body type can limit what you can do at a high level. If you just do LD you will slim down obviously so the weights are absolutely necessary to build your body.
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Starting to sound like a self promotion to me. There are people that believe there are secrets, magical ways to become a stud.
The LD guys were all small framed and had amazing leg strength. They were never bulky they were just built right for the LD running even down to relatively small feet. If you start burning muscle in any areobic activity you aren't eating right. Muscle is the last source of fuel that a body uses.
I have studied several books on pitching and everyone of them includes LD. I knoe that there are people who try to use logic to separate themseleves from other gurus but I would follow tried and proven methods. LD is one of the ingerdients to achieving success in sports. Body type can limit what you can do at a high level. If you just do LD you will slim down obviously so the weights are absolutely necessary to build your body.
The Truth About Baseball
Strength & Conditioning
Starting to sound like a self promotion to me. There are people that believe there are secrets, magical ways to become a stud.
Bobblehead,
If you were 6'1 and 220 pounds in HS you have superior gentic ability. Most likely you would have gained weight no matter what you did.
Couldn't agree more about proper nutrition, but it's fact that LD running, over time, decreases testosterone levels.
It's not using logic, methods such as GPP are superior for a number of reasons. All one has to do is use these methods to see for themselves.
I will ask the same question to you I asked Bum...have you tried it?
If you were 6'1 and 220 pounds in HS you have superior gentic ability. Most likely you would have gained weight no matter what you did.
Couldn't agree more about proper nutrition, but it's fact that LD running, over time, decreases testosterone levels.
It's not using logic, methods such as GPP are superior for a number of reasons. All one has to do is use these methods to see for themselves.
I will ask the same question to you I asked Bum...have you tried it?
Just after reading the posts, I've noticed some things I wanted to point out.
Swimming has been shown, in many studies, to maybe be the worst thing for a pitcher's shoulder. Swimmers often have "loose" shoulders. This information is coming from a Dr. who worked for the Texas Rangers. Having said that, not all water exercises are bad. But almost all of the "strokes" hurt the shoulder--especially freestyle.
My personal trainer (who I saw to gain muscle and speed) said that long distance running is about the worst thing someone could do (besides the obvious being lazy and completely unproductive) to get faster. I understand that after a start a pitcher wants to run long distances for lactic (sp?) acid reasons, but for speed purporses LD running doesn't help. He explained it to me that muscles must be "trained" to be explosive. Everything I did from working out to walking had to be explosive-quick and short. Fibers and such intertwined in the muscles learn to react faster in time. My point is, without a steady amount of sprints, LD running may make u slower. I admit this isn't proven science, but food for though, and it makes sense to me.
After 3 months of training my 60 was down from a 7.4 to a 6.9... after 2 months of offseason where we run about 4-5 miles (in different ways) every other day... I was back to about a 7.3... quite disapointing to say the least. I even tried to do sprint work consistently on the side, but the same explosiveness I had from the second I started the 60 wasn't there.
Swimming has been shown, in many studies, to maybe be the worst thing for a pitcher's shoulder. Swimmers often have "loose" shoulders. This information is coming from a Dr. who worked for the Texas Rangers. Having said that, not all water exercises are bad. But almost all of the "strokes" hurt the shoulder--especially freestyle.
My personal trainer (who I saw to gain muscle and speed) said that long distance running is about the worst thing someone could do (besides the obvious being lazy and completely unproductive) to get faster. I understand that after a start a pitcher wants to run long distances for lactic (sp?) acid reasons, but for speed purporses LD running doesn't help. He explained it to me that muscles must be "trained" to be explosive. Everything I did from working out to walking had to be explosive-quick and short. Fibers and such intertwined in the muscles learn to react faster in time. My point is, without a steady amount of sprints, LD running may make u slower. I admit this isn't proven science, but food for though, and it makes sense to me.
After 3 months of training my 60 was down from a 7.4 to a 6.9... after 2 months of offseason where we run about 4-5 miles (in different ways) every other day... I was back to about a 7.3... quite disapointing to say the least. I even tried to do sprint work consistently on the side, but the same explosiveness I had from the second I started the 60 wasn't there.
Again, i like to include some LD running in my programs because I think it is good to work all the body systems, but I never do it more than twice a week during the fall, winter, and summer, and maybe once a week during the season at most. But, like others have said, the research is out there that shows that LD running does not build muscle, does not build speed--and MAY actually decrease speed, and baseball or pitching is NOT an aerobic activity.
Why do all the M< pitchers run LD. All the colleges run LD. None of them do it without short sprinting nutition and all the other conditioning methods. You might see the odd guy/school do it differently but I haven't seen any.
When I see these guys stop I might consider your poit of view. Righ now the best pitchers in the qorld LD and LT for those who don't believe in long toss. If they did those things alone they would be in trouble. I know my son was late in developing his body. H eused to run in BB and then go straight to basket ball and run a lot more . His wieght never varied from about 168 until this year when he has weight trained and all the other things that college players do. He has gained 17 lbs since August. my son eats like a bird but the coach makes him. He takes after my wifes side of the family and they are all tall and skinney. My side are all big boned and heavier. I weight trained since I was about 13-14 and had a football build and short distance body but I still trained LD. I stayed around 225lbs untill college.
When I see these guys stop I might consider your poit of view. Righ now the best pitchers in the qorld LD and LT for those who don't believe in long toss. If they did those things alone they would be in trouble. I know my son was late in developing his body. H eused to run in BB and then go straight to basket ball and run a lot more . His wieght never varied from about 168 until this year when he has weight trained and all the other things that college players do. He has gained 17 lbs since August. my son eats like a bird but the coach makes him. He takes after my wifes side of the family and they are all tall and skinney. My side are all big boned and heavier. I weight trained since I was about 13-14 and had a football build and short distance body but I still trained LD. I stayed around 225lbs untill college.
We run a fair amount on a daily basis at our practices(we practice year round)
We will run 12 laps around our football field(I believe 4 times around is one mile)
Then we will run 40 yard sprints,usually about 15-20.Then we will run the 100yard sprint,usually about 4.
The sprints come after the distance run.I can say our team has gotten into much better shape and has better speed since starting this back in September.
Ofcourse,if you are eating right and lifitng on a good routine,speed and endurance is awesome to add.
We will run 12 laps around our football field(I believe 4 times around is one mile)
Then we will run 40 yard sprints,usually about 15-20.Then we will run the 100yard sprint,usually about 4.
The sprints come after the distance run.I can say our team has gotten into much better shape and has better speed since starting this back in September.
Ofcourse,if you are eating right and lifitng on a good routine,speed and endurance is awesome to add.
Im surprised to see such a negative word about distance.
Obviously,if thats the only thing you are doing,then its not going to help.However,I feel(and have seen results)that if you do some distance mixed with sprints,you will not only get faster,but you will build up stamina
Playing the position I play,you cant just rely on sprints for your running.
Obviously,if thats the only thing you are doing,then its not going to help.However,I feel(and have seen results)that if you do some distance mixed with sprints,you will not only get faster,but you will build up stamina
Playing the position I play,you cant just rely on sprints for your running.
Bobblehead, you say to look at major league pitchers' workouts. How many major league pitchers or ML trainers do you know??? Or are you just getting this info strictly from books? If that's the case, I can tell you that many of the books on baseball training are severely outdated. Again, I am not anti-LD running altogether. But the research is out there that shows that other types of training are better. And by research, I don't mean a book that someone is trying to make a buck off of. I mean academic physiology studies and ACTUAL training programs that are being used at the elite levels.
I'm going to have to agree with futurecatcher on this one. I think a balanced needs to be made. With my school, way too much emphasis is put on distance. We run bleachers-which is suppose to help speed-but we do it while running 2-4 laps as well (run on the track until you get to a bleacher, then up, down, up down, etc until the end then repeat process until the number of laps are completed). You can't tell me that in this scenario, speed is truly being helped. Kids struggle up the bleachers. I have taken the approach (and the coach has slowly become more... allowing of this after I explained to him my reasoning) that I sprint the bleachers and then walk easily down, sprint another. Then when I get on the track I jog. It's like combining both. Conditioning is key. For pitchers the best (most used) way to remove lactic acid is running. Tredding (sp?) water may be the most effective, but a pool isn't always available.
Oh! since everyone has this available to them
we should all use under water tredmills (once again, sp?). I've been able to use one, and they are amazing. They help speed and are much easier on the back. That too, after running long distances my back sometimes gets really stiff even after stretching. I drink tons of water during the day on days when I know we're going to run. I stretch periodicly, anything else I can do?
Oh! since everyone has this available to them
we should all use under water tredmills (once again, sp?). I've been able to use one, and they are amazing. They help speed and are much easier on the back. That too, after running long distances my back sometimes gets really stiff even after stretching. I drink tons of water during the day on days when I know we're going to run. I stretch periodicly, anything else I can do?
Hey everyone...
Long distance running isn't better for baseball because you feel it is. This is about what exists and what does not. It is VERY CLEAR that sprinting and anaerobic activity is much more important/beneficial for baseball performance. Obviously, the heart and blood vessels need to be in adequate shape...but that's it for cardio. This is simple science folks...
Endurance is definitely required for baseball, especially in the late innings for pitchers, but this is not aerobic endurance. This is anaerobic endurance, AKA without oxygen. A good technique to build anaerobic endurance would be something like HIIT.
Long distance running isn't better for baseball because you feel it is. This is about what exists and what does not. It is VERY CLEAR that sprinting and anaerobic activity is much more important/beneficial for baseball performance. Obviously, the heart and blood vessels need to be in adequate shape...but that's it for cardio. This is simple science folks...
Endurance is definitely required for baseball, especially in the late innings for pitchers, but this is not aerobic endurance. This is anaerobic endurance, AKA without oxygen. A good technique to build anaerobic endurance would be something like HIIT.
You are right on jsorb....my thoughts exactly!
I am not an expert, to say the least, when it comes to the "NEW" training methods but I do know this--what players need to do for them to be in "baseball shape" depends on what position they play---pitchers need stamina and strong legs---outfielders need to accelerate rapidly as do middle infielders --the corner guys, first and third, can be slugs as long as their reactions are sharp
Just my thoughts
Just my thoughts
TR,
Your 100% correct. That's why LD running should not be focus of pitchers.
I did not say never do it, I said it should not be the focus.
Your 100% correct. That's why LD running should not be focus of pitchers.
I did not say never do it, I said it should not be the focus.
[quote]Bobblehead, you say to look at major league pitchers' workouts. How many major league pitchers or ML trainers do you know??? X
I am glad you asked. I know several having been around a minor league team for years and watched them train. Not just pitchers but several big time hiiters and they all ran their LD.
My son's doctor is a former Texas Ranger P coach and co author with Tom House & Nolan Ryan. Yes I read books that are not out dated.
Our A team was a rehab team for several ML guys. I am also shocked at how many people think they have the secret over all the tried and proven methods. Long toss is bad ! LD is bad. Who are you guys kidding.
I am glad you asked. I know several having been around a minor league team for years and watched them train. Not just pitchers but several big time hiiters and they all ran their LD.
My son's doctor is a former Texas Ranger P coach and co author with Tom House & Nolan Ryan. Yes I read books that are not out dated.
Our A team was a rehab team for several ML guys. I am also shocked at how many people think they have the secret over all the tried and proven methods. Long toss is bad ! LD is bad. Who are you guys kidding.
quote:outfielders need to accelerate rapidly as do middle infielders --the corner guys, first and third, can be slugs as long as their reactions are sharp
Even fielders who have good reaction/read don't have to be super fast.
Jon nobody suggests focus on LD. It is a part of all conditioning programs. It sure tests your passion as well.
Who said LT is bad?
I missed that...or was that in another thread?
I missed that...or was that in another thread?
Jon sorry it was another thread. There are people who say that LT is not good for your arm.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
I am also shocked at how many people think they have the secret over all the tried and proven methods. Long toss is bad ! LD is bad. Who are you guys kidding.
I think Long Toss is great!
As for tried and trued methods, nothing wrong with that, but you also have to be open to new methods that may provide even better results. Since I've gotten back into serious athlete training after a 5 year lay-off, I've learned a great deal in just 2 months that has caused me to re-think and re-tool my programs, and already I'm seeing the benefits.....
Oh ok...I'm certainly a fan of LT.
Bobble, try the routine I posted in this thread. It may suprise you.
Bobble, try the routine I posted in this thread. It may suprise you.