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Something to factor in if your kid is going to be playing baseball in college. IMHO, It will serioulsy affect academics.

College teams will have to wait longer to 'Play ball'
By Paul Gutierrez - Bee Staff Writer
SAN FRANCISCO-Gabe Jacobo, David Flores and the rest of their Sacramento State teammates have been champing at the bit all winter for the college baseball season to begin, which it does today for the Hornets with a three-game series at Loyola Marymount.
Imagine their angst next year, with implementation of NCAA legislation that will delay the beginning of practice until Feb. 1 and the first game until Feb. 29.
"To start a month later, I guess that just means more scrimmages and intrasquads against your own team," Jacobo, the Hornets' sophomore first baseman, said with a sigh. "That will get kind of old after a while. I'm not too crazy about it, but if it helps out the East Coast schools ... ."
Jacobo's voice trailed off, but his words showed the general feeling Wednesday at South Beach Harbor near AT&T Park as nine head coaches -- Sac State's John Smith, UC Davis' Rex Peters, Pacific's Ed Sprague, Stanford's Mark Marquess, Cal's David Esquer, San Jose State's Sam Piraro, USF's Nino Giarratano, Santa Clara's Mark O'Brien and St. Mary's Jedd Soto -- and assorted players gathered for Northern California College Baseball Media Day.
The NCAA's edict pushes the start of baseball season back to March 1, or to the Friday before March 1 if that date is on a Saturday, Sunday or Monday. Setting a uniform national starting date is meant to eliminate competitive advantages gained by schools in the West and Southwest that generally have abundant good winter weather while schools in other regions are covered in snow.
The new rule is understood, if not necessarily embraced.
"I don't like it," Piraro said. "I don't like it at all. I feel that people that play in good weather and coach in good weather get penalized.
"It's going to prevent young men from honing their skills when they have the opportunity, because baseball, you've got to play a lot."
Said Esquer: "It's going to force coaches to take a little longer Christmas vacation."
But the coaches also cited potential problems caused by the later start date, including cramming more games into a schedule that is one month shorter, leading to more midweek games and more missed class time for players.
"We're in a quarter system (at UC Davis), and we have to stop for a week in the middle of the season, so we're trying to schedule 56 (games) in 13 weeks, and it's dang near impossible," Peters said.
"And then what happens if you get rain during those 13 weeks and you've got to reschedule games?"
Condensing the season also will affect on-field strategy and financial resource management, with more games each week forcing teams to use five-man rather than four-man pitching rotations.
"Baseball is underfunded in terms of scholarship dollars already, and now you've got to go get a fifth starting pitcher," Peters said. Coaches, he said, will have to ask for more scholarship money to pay for more pitching depth and, possibly, larger rosters.
"I understand the concept, but I don't think people understand the can of worms that's going to get opened with this."
Officials of the Western Athletic Conference, of which Sac State and San Jose State are members, have talked about playing four-game weekend conference series, with doubleheaders Saturdays, and nonconference games Tuesdays or Wednesdays.
"But if we don't do four weekend games, then we'd play Tuesday and Wednesday nonconference games," Piraro said. "Either way, you play five games a week. Not everybody has the pitching to do that. But more importantly, you're going to miss a lot of school, and that's not a good thing."
Reducing schedules from 56 games to 52 or 48 would help. In exchange, they want permission to play "fall ball," allowing them to face other D-I programs during the fall term.
"If they take four games away in the spring," Sprague said, "then give us 10 games back in the fall, or maybe just six games -- every Saturday for six weeks."
That way, Sprague argued, the players would not miss school. He also said he expected the NCAA to allow six to eight weeks of fall workouts, rather than the three weeks currently allowed.
Marquess had another idea: playing fall games that count. Otherwise, he said the Pacific-10, Stanford's conference, also might look at playing conference doubleheaders on Saturdays.
Fans also would feel the effect of the compressed schedule, he said, because the opportunity of watching marquee nonconference games would decline as nonconference weekends would drop from six to three.
"Then maybe the local people don't get to see Texas, don't get to see (Cal State) Fullerton," Marquess said. "I think that's a problem. ... I'm more for spreading (the season) out."
So is Giarratano, who proposed college baseball work with Major League Baseball by lengthening its season to July and having MLB move its draft from June to July.
But heard among the speculation was coaches committing to play by the rules. They have no choice.
"I think it's fair because those other schools don't have the same temperature we do, the weather we have," said Flores, Sac State's junior third baseman. "So I think it's fair for schools to start at the same time."
His coach, though, was far from impressed.
"I guess I'm going to wait and make a judgment on how I feel it is once we've gone through it for a year," Smith said, "and see what the impact really was when it's all said and done."
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"Condensing the season also will affect on-field strategy and financial resource management, with more games each week forcing teams to use five-man rather than four-man pitching rotations.
"Baseball is underfunded in terms of scholarship dollars already, and now you've got to go get a fifth starting pitcher," Peters said. Coaches, he said, will have to ask for more scholarship money to pay for more pitching depth and, possibly, larger rosters.
"I understand the concept, but I don't think people understand the can of worms that's going to get opened with this."
Officials of the Western Athletic Conference, of which Sac State and San Jose State are members, have talked about playing four-game weekend conference series, with doubleheaders Saturdays, and nonconference games Tuesdays or Wednesdays.
"But if we don't do four weekend games, then we'd play Tuesday and Wednesday nonconference games," Piraro said. "Either way, you play five games a week. Not everybody has the pitching to do that. But more importantly, you're going to miss a lot of school, and that's not a good thing."
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Sounds like they as coaches now have to deal with the issues that many other conferences do. Mid-week games, 5 or 6 starting pitchers. More games in less time, missing class more often...Don't really agree or disagree but baseball has been the ONLY NCAA sport without a uniformed start date. All the other major sports are regualted regardless or weather or cost....
Baseball should be so fortunate to also have the equality of scholarships for each player..
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Sounds like they as coaches now have to deal with the issues that many other conferences do. Mid-week games, 5 or 6 starting pitchers. More games in less time, missing class more often...Don't really agree or disagree but baseball has been the ONLY NCAA sport without a uniformed start date. All the other major sports are regualted regardless or weather or cost....

Baseball should be so fortunate to also have the equality of scholarships for each player..


When I 1st read it, I thought, “What a bunch of whiners!” but after I thought about it a tad, it dawned on me that this is really a topic that how you feel is extremely dependent on what part of the country you’re in. The sunbelters will be crying “Oh woe is me”, while the snowbelters are LTAO and saying, “Its about time!”

We’ll see how it all shakes out, but I guarantee there’s gonna be a lot of folks out there **** surprised when they see Jr’s grades go to Hell in a handbasket! I really think its gonna change the face of college baseball substantially. One reason might be that a lot of players will stay closer to home than opting to go to the sunbelt states to attend college.
I can see both sides to this one. I really think we have to see how it plays out after a year to make any real judgments. To me there is an advantage to kids that pitch. More two way guys. More pitchers on rosters. And more catchers getting game time. But this is one of those situations where you might be for it and then realize its not good. Or you might be against it and realize its not big deal. Its definitely a wait and see how it goes situation. Im more concerned with missed class time than anything else. Lets wait and see.
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Baseball is underfunded in terms of scholarship dollars already, and now you've got to go get a fifth starting pitcher," Peters said. Coaches, he said, will have to ask for more scholarship money to pay for more pitching depth and, possibly, larger rosters.
"I understand the concept, but I don't think people understand the can of worms that's going to get opened with this."



Just a couple of random thoughts.
1- Northern teams that typically travel South will not have the opportunity due to condensed schedule...hurting the Northern teams.

2- Move to a 52 game schedule instead of a 56 game schedule to reduce academic concerns.

3- The Uniform start date is the last Friday in Feb for 2008. Move it to 1 week earlier.
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Just a couple of random thoughts.
1- Northern teams that typically travel South will not have the opportunity due to condensed schedule...hurting the Northern teams.


How many northern teams actually travel more than a few hours bus ride to the south? How far south do they go.

I get the feeling that the only teams actually doing any king of major traveling are the really big schools, or really successful programs. I can’t believe there are a whole lot of JUCOS, DI’s. DII’s, DIII’s or NAIA schools running up million dollar travel bills.

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Originally posted by Novice Dad:2- Move to a 52 game schedule instead of a 56 game schedule to reduce academic concerns.


That would help, but nowhere enough to offset the hours lost.

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Originally posted by Novice Dad:
3- The Uniform start date is the last Friday in Feb for 2008. Move it to 1 week earlier.


Every day its moved back does nothing but give more of an advantage to the sunbelt or very wealthy schools.

What I’d rather see them do is to recognize the problems this causes, and move the Regionals, and by cause, the Supers and CWS farther out. Who gives a rat’s patoo if the players are still playing at the end of July?
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Baseball should be so fortunate to also have the equality of scholarships for each player..

Amen brother.

I'm glad to see the northern guys get a possible break here. However I have a hard time forseeing this rule changing the balance of power. Teams have to be playing good baseball down the stretch to make it to Omaha; those are the teams with the best pitching. The southern and western powers will just go out and get more pitchers and continue to develop them in warmer climates, while the northern schools are still stuck in the gym.

I do agree that for a sport already concerned about poor academic performance, this move does little to address those concerns. One step forward, two steps back.
Kent State opens the season with a 3 game set at WFU(WSNC), then a series with the Florida Gators, naturally in FLA.

Northern players look forward to that. It sure beats playing an early March series in 30 degree weather like most of our high school kids.

They should have a uniform start, commencing in early February. Nothing wrong with the smaller D1's hopping on a trailways for a series in the South three weeks in a row, or longer. I am sure most could afford airfare out West also.

Regarding academics, go ask the footballers and hoopsters how they do it
I may not have gone to a D1, but I played 4 years of college ball, and graduated in 4 years from a northern school. I don't know if this is affecting d3 schools as well as the d1's, either. However, it is very possible for a player to manage classes and ball at the same time. My first year of college was the only year we didn't start tryouts before Feb. 1. (also the first day of the spring semester after a January where students only take one class) Yes, TRYOUTS. It was a conference rule, but there were still teams playing games before our team had even started official tryouts, let alone have a final roster. We squeezed 40 games into what was pretty much a 2 month season. 10 games over spring break somewhere warm, usually the third or final week of March, then 30 games before the end of the first week of May.

Now, the travel may be a little different. After spring break we only left the state of Michigan a few times, but I still missed quite a bit of class. Weeks with a midweek game and a weekend series on the road, it was 2 days worth of class missed. Often, with weather, I would miss 3 days of classes. Now that may not sound like much class compared to D1 guys, but when you pay over $20,000 a year for those classes, that's a lot of class to miss.

Now for the kicker to the "bad grades" that will plague the NCAA. I personally was able to maintain a 3.0 grade point avgerage. Why? I think it was because of the later start date, and the fact that it coincided with the start of classes. I was able to take a month and a half, usually, to establish myself in my classes. Get to know my professors and classmates and make arrangements for the semester, as well as have the time to work extra hard on assignments and try to work ahead a little bit. I did this so when baseball started if my work were to slack off a little bit my grade wouldn't feel it so much.

Yeah many northern teams are traveling south earlier and earlier now to play games, but not every school can afford to do that. We could only go on real trip of any distance over spring break, and the school had rules on what time teams could leave for those trips on the Friday before the break (usually after about the average time most students were done with classes for the day).

Back to the grades and my rant is done. I was able to play ball, 40 games in about 40 days, as well as take (and pass) 18 credit hours worth of classes, spend over 60 hours researching a senior thesis, as well as deal with family issues out of state that had me driving through the middle of the night on one occassion to make a bus for a double header. Oh, and don't forget about making rent and that next tuition bill.

So, to say that starting later is going to ruin grades and such and be a hassle is kind of a joke in my eyes. Why don't some of the warm weather coaches look at the northern, low budget guys have been doing it for years. Now you may say I'm biased because I'm a northern guy, but I honestly think that if I were a warm weather guy that the first thing I would do is call up some northern coaches to see how they do things.
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Oldsluggo


Have you had a son play college ball ?---I have had three---and they all have degrees and all are gainfully employed and had fine college careers--if you want it bad enough you make it work--- you sacrifice



I think CC got it right, and you didn't get it at all!! The post was not geared toward you, or your sons. It was geared toward those looking for excuses.

If one wants to achieve academic success, then stop the excuses, including baseball. Seems the other major sport athletes are getting it done?

Don't tell me about sacrifices. Like others I suppose, I did my 50 hours of work, 2 night classes, then study into the wee hours for State certification.

You're preaching to the wrong guy, trust me! And I walked uphill, both ways, in sub-zero weather to get to class........ Wink
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The post was not geared toward you, or your sons. It was geared toward those looking for excuses.


I'm not sure I would agree with the part about excuses. You might be hearing a lot of whining from the coaches in that article, but what I read is just concern for some significant changes. They all agreed to play by the rules, even if they don't like 'em, and they made some excellent points. It's a sacrifice that does nothing to improve baseball on the west coast. Why should they sound happy?

I'm also unsure how the comparison to football or basketball works. Football plays once per week, and basketball twice. How does five compare to one or two?

CCKnights, very good point about getting off to a good start academically. That might turn out to be the silver lining here.

Sure, I know it can be done, and I hope it works. Players in Hawai'i already spend 10 straight days away from school just for conference play. On the other hand, they're one of the schools that suffered the maximum penalty for APR last year.

As Coach May said, it's going to be a plus for pitchers and two way guys. What's not to like about that?

Now, if we could just get those wood bats in time for the twin bills on Saturdays....

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Look at the schedules of the Northern Climate teams and see where they go---they AIN'T no bus rides---the more you post the more you show you know not as much as you want us to think

Check out the schedules


I'm not sure what you trying to say, other than to try to make me look like an idiot, and I’m not quite sure why.

What about the schedules should I look for? How about telling me what you consider northern climate teams, and I’ll take a look.

I never said I was an expert on dinky doo. All I do is post my opinions based on what I know or suspect. I just don’t think that EVERY college with a baseball team does a heck of a lot of traveling. They simply don’t have that kind of budget!

The big schools do, but they aren’t the only schools in the NCAA that this change will affect. The small D1, DII, and DIII are covered in this too, and although the JUCOs aren’t all in the NCAA, from what I’ve seen, their rule sets pretty well match NCAA right down the line, and NAIA is a completely different matter.
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Originally posted by CCKnights:

Now you may say I'm biased because I'm a northern guy, but I honestly think that if I were a warm weather guy that the first thing I would do is call up some northern coaches to see how they do things.


Nah, that’s too easy! Can’t get any sympathy from anyone unless they whine and cry, and besides it makes too much sense! ;-)

But you might be missing something, even though you’re hitting all around it. There’s prolly more than a few, shall we say marginal students who are getting ‘ships and the chance to play on some of the big warm weather teams, and they might well be affected.

I know my son wasn’t an exceptional student, and he struggled to get his minimum requirements, as did more than half of the players on the team, and I’ll guarantee you there weren’t any classes that required a lot of work. That’s something he’s now paying for by having to make up for a lot of classes he slid on but is taking now. Maybe it doesn’t happen a lot, but it definitely happens.
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I get the feeling that the only teams actually doing any king of major traveling are the really big schools, or really successful programs.I can’t believe there are a whole lot of JUCOS, DI’s. DII’s, DIII’s or NAIA schools running up million dollar travel bills.

The JUCO my son attended last year goes from Illinois to Florida for 10 days every year. A DIII that I follow in Michigan goes for a week to Georgia. A lot of northern teams travel down south to begin their seasons.

This new rule won't change things for JUCOs or NAIA which is interesting. They'll still be free to start as varying times in February as they now do.
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The JUCO my son attended last year goes from Illinois to Florida for 10 days every year. A DIII that I follow in Michigan goes for a week to Georgia. A lot of northern teams travel down south to begin their seasons.


Traveling like what you’re giving examples of is one thing. Heck my boy’s JUCO went to Az one spring, and to SoCal another. But that’s a far cry from what the “big schools do for traveling. Here’s an example. http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/sched/iowa-m-basebl-sched.html

I don’t think those schools have coaches and parent signing out vans to travel either. Wink

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This new rule won't change things for JUCOs or NAIA which is interesting. They'll still be free to start as varying times in February as they now do.


LOL!

I really do feel bad that everyone doesn’t have great late winter weather to start baseball season, but that’s the way it is.

The Ca JUCO’s have all been practicing since Jan 1 and playing games for at least a couple of weeks. See http://spincostats.com/CommunityCollegeBaseball/2007/index.html
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I don’t think those schools have coaches and parent signing out vans to travel either.

Scorekeeper, I'm very familiar with what the "big boys" do as far as travel. I also know that your comments are painting with a broad brush. My son's JUCO didn't travel to Florida on vans or with coaches driving. Just as there's a variety in travel accomodations/modes, etc. in DIs, there is in other divisions as well.

That's great that some California schools got started in January!!! Congrats!
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Scorekeeper, I'm very familiar with what the "big boys" do as far as travel. I also know that your comments are painting with a broad brush. My son's JUCO didn't travel to Florida on vans or with coaches driving. Just as there's a variety in travel accomodations/modes, etc. in DIs, there is in other divisions as well.
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I didn’t mean to disparage anyone, but there’s a big difference between taking one trip to Fl for a week or two and traveling like the big schools do for even just their conference games.

A lot of what determines what the smaller schools will be able to do is, how lucky they get with grants and fundraising. My boy’s school was a small one with a small budget and modest travel plans, but some JUCOs in the area travel more. Traveling out here isn’t that big of a deal either, because there’s so many schools so relatively close. My son’s school had at least 12 JUCO’s less than 2 hours driving time.

I’m not up on the number of JUCO’s in other states, but if you looked at that link, its pretty easy to see that haulin’ the teams out here all over the place just isn’t necessary. I admit, I’ve been spoiled. Wink
OK maybe I'm cynical but the change has nothing to do with small schools and their limited travel budgets but it has all to do with Big Schools in Cold climates who feel that they are not getting a fair shot come tourney time. There must be money to be earned and if the BIG 10 doesn't get their share they aren't going to be happy.

As quoted in Baseball America...
“This is going to be a good step,” said retiring Illinois coach Richard “Itch” Jones, whose conference, the Big 10, has championed the uniform start date. “You’re not going to have some teams that have played 20 games when a lot of teams here in the North have just started. A lot of schools are going to have to get away from playing their three games a week and learn to use other pitchers like we do up here.”

There is some validity to the concern where some schools have 15 games in so yes it definitely helps come pitching rotation time and being able to focus on less mid-week games.
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Originally posted by Novice Dad:
Just a couple of random thoughts.
1- Northern teams that typically travel South will not have the opportunity due to condensed schedule...hurting the Northern teams.


How many northern teams actually travel more than a few hours bus ride to the south? How far south do they go.

I get the feeling that the only teams actually doing any king of major traveling are the really big schools, or really successful programs. I can’t believe there are a whole lot of JUCOS, DI’s. DII’s, DIII’s or NAIA schools running up million dollar travel bills.

What I’d rather see them do is to recognize the problems this causes, and move the Regionals, and by cause, the Supers and CWS farther out. Who gives a rat’s patoo if the players are still playing at the end of July?


I want to answer 2 things you mention. One in regards to pushing out the Regionals, Supers and CWS further. For the "smaller" programs u mention for thise that do make it to a regional how about the expense of keeping kids on campus after classes are over the room and board needs to be paid by the athletis dept. You may not care about them playing into July but I bet the Summer Leagues do especially the top tiered leagues...not mention Mom and Dad and the Summer job that they won't have.

In regards to Northern Schools I took a glance at a few schools in the America East conference. Not big time programs but fine schools;

University of Maine goes to Palm Beach Fl. and Tempe AZ...not bad for van drive...

Vermont starts at TCU

Albany starts at Duke and also travels in April to BYU and Utah

Hartford Ct starts in Ct but travels later in the season to OK and MN

So I would say they do travel South or wherever they care to (even if its Minnesota...can't figure that one out unles its played in the Dome)

And yes many Jucos do travel South they may not have huge budgets but they do fundraise for these trips and for the schools D-1 or Juco it is a recruiting tool to be able to say u go to Fl or wherever every year.
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"OK maybe I'm cynical but the change has nothing to do with small schools and their limited travel budgets but it has all to do with Big Schools in Cold climates who feel that they are not getting a fair shot come tourney time. There must be money to be earned and if the BIG 10 doesn't get their share they aren't going to be happy.

As quoted in Baseball America...
“This is going to be a good step,” said retiring Illinois coach Richard “Itch” Jones, whose conference, the Big 10, has championed the uniform start date."

So this is about winning?

The Big 10 school should realize they are a football conference. The rest of us do. You don't play baseball there to gain attention by the Pros let alone the CWS.
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I can see both sides to this one. I really think we have to see how it plays out after a year to make any real judgments. To me there is an advantage to kids that pitch. More two way guys. More pitchers on rosters. And more catchers getting game time. But this is one of those situations where you might be for it and then realize its not good. Or you might be against it and realize its not big deal. Its definitely a wait and see how it goes situation. Im more concerned with missed class time than anything else. Lets wait and see.
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scorekeeper,
Omaha in June is bad, can imagine what it's like in July. Eek

I have one that plays 5 games a week, it's not easy, but dooable. They begin mid february, and always began end of february until the ACC added two more teams. School ends early May and I know mine prefers playing for many weeks with no classes to worry about, something that will most likely happen in most programs.
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Thats a good point TPM. Besides the fact that there is less pitching depth in the North I though there was still another factor why it seemed like pitchers went deeper a game. The season is more compact.


Not too clear on your post.

Maybe coaches will have to adjust to their recruiting as Coach Merc suggests, more two way players will be more in demand to support pitching depth.
It doesn't matter where or when you begin, if you don't have the pitching depth for weekday games, you don't have the depth to last until the end of June. Things won't change, you still will see the same teams back in Omaha. That is not a slight on anyone, it's just the way it is, has been and always will be.
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Siena College, small private school in upstate NY playing in the MAAC conference:
02/24/07 at University of New Orleans New Orleans, LA
02/25/07 at University of New Orleans New Orleans, LA
02/26/07 at University of New Orleans New Orleans, LA
02/27/07 at South Alabama Mobile,
02/28/07 at South Alabama Mobile,
03/01/07 at South Alabama Mobile,
03/02/07 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL
03/03/07 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL
03/04/07 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL
03/09/07 at Tennessee Knoxville, TN
03/10/07 at Tennessee Knoxville, TN
03/11/07 at Tennessee Knoxville, TN
03/16/07 at Tulane New Orleans, LA
03/17/07 at Tulane New Orleans, LA
03/18/07 at Tulane New Orleans, LA
No coaches driving vans here either..
I did some math as to how many games on average some university plays NOW from the new start date of March 1 until beginning of conference championship (around 5/20).

Cal State Fullerton 3.3 games per week
Arizona State 3.4
Florida 4.1
Tenn 4.1
Vanderbilt 4.1
Kentucky 4.1
Clemson 4.2
Miami(OH) 4.5
Michigan 4.5
Ohio State 4.6
Indiana 4.8

That's not including games prior to March 1. Right now Fullerton and ASU play 14 games prior to 3/1, while Mich. and Ohio State play 4. Indiana plays 3.

On top of having nicer weather for outside pre-season practice, Southern schools play about 1 few games every two weeks, while Western schools play two fewer games every 2 week. This allows them to carry fewer pitches and puts less wear on the other starter.

Obviously, this is what the Northern schools are wanting to change and why the coaches out West were so concerned.

Will this change competitive balance. I don't know, but this will make it much harder for the current top teams (Southern and Western teams) to continue to dominate the NCAA playoffs and WS in the years to come.
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Originally posted by Novice Dad:
I want to answer 2 things you mention. One in regards to pushing out the Regionals, Supers and CWS further. For the "smaller" programs u mention for thise that do make it to a regional how about the expense of keeping kids on campus after classes are over the room and board needs to be paid by the athletis dept. You may not care about them playing into July but I bet the Summer Leagues do especially the top tiered leagues...not mention Mom and Dad and the Summer job that they won't have.


There is no good answer because no mater what happens there’s gonna be problems. Anyone who doesn’t get that is a fool. Wink

But you did raise a point I’d never considered. Just how much would the extra expense be for the department? Who pays the expenses for out of season things like spring and summer workouts for the FB team, or for summer baseball teams? I’m not being contrary either, I don’t know!

As for the summer leagues, top tiered teams or not, what interest do they have that’s more important than the player’s? I mean, what’s the point of this whole thing? Is it to make the colleges all play each other on an equal footing, or for the players to develop into pro prospects?

If its something to do with the pros, then perhaps the pros should dip into their verrrrry deep pockets and subside the whole college baseball thing! If its just to have all of the teams be on equal footings, why? If its just for the sake of saying there’s a national champion, is it that important?

Methinks there’s much more to it, and that is the same old thing, $$$$$$$$$$$. Some think they aren’t getting their share, and others don’t want to give up any of theirs.

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Originally posted by Novice Dad:In regards to Northern Schools I took a glance at a few schools in the America East conference. Not big time programs but fine schools;



And yes many Jucos do travel South they may not have huge budgets but they do fundraise for these trips and for the schools D-1 or Juco it is a recruiting tool to be able to say u go to Fl or wherever every year.


I’m not quite sure if it was what I said, the way I said it, or that it was just not interpreted as I intended, but I wasn’t talking about just 1 or 2 trips a year such as those you mentioned. I was talking about teams traveling like Big 10, or other major conference teams do. I apologize again if anyone was insulted by what I said.
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scorekeeper,
Omaha in June is bad, can imagine what it's like in July. Eek

I have one that plays 5 games a week, it's not easy, but dooable. They begin mid february, and always began end of february until the ACC added two more teams. School ends early May and I know mine prefers playing for many weeks with no classes to worry about, something that will most likely happen in most programs.


Grew up in northern Ohio, left at 18. Spent a year in Denver, 4 in the UP of Mich, and 5 in Omaha. Mixed in with that was, 5 years in Northern Ca, 2 in Guam, and the last 20 in Northern Ca again. Trust me, I can definitely see both sides of the argument. Wink

If school ends in early May, who’s he playing for after that?
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Posted by TPM: Things won't change, you still will see the same teams back in Omaha. That is not a slight on anyone, it's just the way it is, has been and always will be.


I think this will stay true also. The big warm weather BCS schools will still get the cream of the crop and dominate post season. As others comment, forcing them to develop more pitching may make them even stronger in May & June.
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Originally posted by OHfather:
Will this change competitive balance. I don't know, but this will make it much harder for the current top teams (Southern and Western teams) to continue to dominate the NCAA playoffs and WS in the years to come.


I hope it does change the balance, and probably so do a lot of others. Playing for a college team outside of the sunbelt certainly doesn’t mean they’ll never be scouted or have the chance to play at higher levels, but it does put them at some undetermined but definite disadvantage.

With the cost of going to college skyrocketing, there’s a lot of families that would be far better off if Jr stayed close to home. As has been pointed out many times, a 50% ride to a school that cost $20K per semester is a pretty big load for many, and impossible for most.
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Originally posted by rz1:
Thats a good point TPM. Besides the fact that there is less pitching depth in the North.


********I will await you quantifying that*****


OHfather said it for me. Thanks buddy for the research.

When you start getting over 4.3 games a week you need more innings out of your starters because you know when their next outing is and if you can get an extra inning + out of them that eliminates some pressure from the pen for the rest of the week. Now you have to remember that the #8-10 guys on a Northern staff are usually not the same quality as the 8-10 guys from a "baseball area", that's the depth I was talkin about.
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if you don't have the pitching depth for weekday games, you don't have the depth to last until the end of June. Things won't change, you still will see the same teams back in Omaha. That is not a slight on anyone, it's just the way it is, has been and always will be.
NEVER, as in "always will be" is a long time. Someday some smuck team from the North who has a enough quality pieces in place will put a run together and make that statement void. But I'm sure the next comment will be that they were just lucky. My comment will then be that it takes luck for any team to get there.
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The Big 10 school should realize they are a football conference. The rest of us do. The rest of us do. You don't play baseball there to gain attention by the Pros let alone the CWS.

That bolded part of your comment is a very ignorant statement. If you have the tools they will come.
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