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HS Coach says "HIS" players can no longer play travel ball

justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
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I just felt you and another poster were making comments directly at me that were unwarranted and off topic.


Hmmm. I didn't see it that way and certainly not off topic.

Steve...whether you are in the right or not, there are always 2 sides to the story. I think that was pretty much her point and a good one at that!

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I have been a member of this site for many years and unlike you I value the input of each and every person who participates on these message boards.


Sometimes folks don't see an honest and straightforward response or comment as valuing their own questions/comments/input. I see it as exactly the opposite.

I don't come here to have everyone tell me they agree with me. Sometimes I have been put in my place (and deserved it).

A little 'tough love?' Perhaps, but you will always know where TPM stands and to me, that is gold. Very few people willing to do that these days. And I think it is the essence of 'valuing' each and every poster.

Just my personal opinion, nothing more.
TromblyBaseballTromblyBaseball100+ posts
TPM,
I don't think all the details were required like the name of the school, coaches names, players names, info on conversations between the players and the coach that they have shared with me, info on my conversation with the coach, etc. I think the info I provided was enough info to get some dialogue going and there was obviously enough feedback to be helpful for me. The comments (positive and negative) were good to hear. I know that there are 2 sides to every story and he can tell his side to his friends, I was expressing my side to my friends here! Smile
AM AL MA 08100+ posts
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Originally posted by bballdad2016:
This thread has potential to go down a long dark road...

But I think he is making the wrong decision. Even if he attracts attention at this point, how will he ever explain to any college coach why he didn’t play for his HS in his senior year?


Don't get me wrong on this. I think HS programs are great and generate pride in your school. Certainly glad my son played in HS and had a great HS coach. But I don't think the college will care if he did not play HS ball if he is playing on a good TB team.

After my son had accepted an offer to a college and finally signed his letter of intent to the school, I asked the HS coach how many college coaches actually talked to him about my son, spceifically the one he signed with. I was really surprised he said none of the schools that offered scholarship to him called or otherwise TALKED to him. The HS coach filled out forms from the various schools but never really talked with the ones that son was serious about.
T TroublewithcurveMember
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Originally posted by TromblyBaseball:
This is an important issue and to protect those directly involved, other then myself, I will not name names.

A HS Coach in Southern California had a meeting with his players and told them that they can no longer play travel baseball. This has created a huge issue and needs to be dealt with. I am hoping others out there have been in this situation and can share their experiences. Ultimately I want to get this situation resolved for the benefit of the players. That is the most important thing, right?

There are a few players from this HS that play for my baseball academy and they have had a very successful past 5 months winning 2 National Championships (USA Baseball 17U Championships and PG/EvoShield National Championship). The experiences that these guys have had is unbelievable and they have memories and friendships to last their entire lives. In addition, they have been key contributors to our success which ultimately has helped them generate the much needed “exposure” to college coaches. Now the players and their parents have been put in a bad situation with the HS Coach telling them that they can no longer play travel baseball at any point during the year.

I have a huge problem with this because I do not feel that a HS Baseball Coach has the right to tell players where they can and can’t play during the “OFFSEASON”! HS Baseball in California is February through May (sometimes the 1st week of June for the CIF Championships) and it is none of the coaches business who guys play with between June and January.

There are other specific things I could mention, but I don’t want to be too specific and put any of these players in an even worse situation. I have reached out to the coach a few times and through our brief contact it is clear that he isn’t willing to compromise.

Please share your thoughts and similar experiences. I really appreciate it!


Is the coach banning all his players from playing TB, or is he only banning the kids from playing on your TB team? I too believe there are 2 sides to every story.
bballdad2016bballdad20161,000+ posts
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Originally posted by AL MA 08:
I was really surprised he said none of the schools that offered scholarship to him called or otherwise TALKED to him. The HS coach filled out forms from the various schools but never really talked with the ones that son was serious about.


AL MA 08, Congrats on your son achieving his goals. You are correct, often HS coaches fill out paperwork and send it to the schools that the student athlete asks him to send it to. Our program talked to two coaches/recruiters last year about specific players we had played against. They never asked about our own players.

The reason I believe playing in HS is important to many that want to play beyond HS is it shows an ability to be a team player in a winning or losing situation. It shows a sense of pride and determination for a school program. It shows the player earned his position, and was able to compete to keep it. Sure, you can say the same thing about TB. But let’s look at it this way. What does a player say when a college coach/recruiter asks why he didn’t play for his HS team. It sends a red flag, that’s for sure. Was he cut, is he a jerk, did he have bad grades, did he get in a fight during lunch, did he skip school too much, was he caught by a school official doing something, or did he just not like his coach? I believe all of those are red flags to a reputable college program.

There are some really good baseball players at the HS level that do not get it. They seem to only care about themselves, their own personal stats, etc. They are the ones that blame the SS for booting a ball rather than picking him up. They are the pitchers that blame the umpire for the strike zone rather than finding it. HS baseball brings out the intangibles in good players.

There are some great TB programs that have also fostered this same type of competitive and team environment. They are good programs. Both HS baseball and GOOD TB programs can coexist. Good HS players can and will get extra instruction and play for other teams in the summer, fall and winter. I have no problem with it so long as they are playing with GOOD TB programs.
fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts
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jaggerz said....High school coaches are part time people. They have no incentive to help a player.If you count on a high school coach to help you, then brace yourself for a lot of disappointment.


jaggerz,

How can you make a blanket statement like that? There are many fine high school coaches out there that do want to help, and can help. There are some that don't want to get involved for one reason or another. That is their choice.

I think each recruit needs to understand they OWN their recruiting process. Some high coaches can help, and others don't want to. That is fine, but I wouldn't rush to judgement & cross off a possible knowledgeable resource just for the heck of it.
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justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
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High school coaches are part time people.


Not true where I live. Nope, not at all. Nearly all are teachers. Both of my sons HS coaches were math teachers...darn good ones too.

But even if the coaches were part time...what does that have to do with whether they're any good or not? Most summer travel coaches are part time and opinion on this site is almost uniform that they are the golden boys of HS-aged coaching.

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They have no incentive to help a player.


Hopefully you didn't think too much about it before typing that. Or I am feeling terribly sorry for you having such a bad experience.

Incentive to help a player? Hmmm. Well lets begin with because helping them to become better players helps them win more games. Never yet met a coach at any level that didn't wanna win more games. But did you mean helping a player beyond HS? Haven't really met one who wasn't interested in that either. Perhaps whoever you're thinking about isn't interested in promoting players he doesn't think are good enough to go beyond HS? Maybe he's interested in maintaining his integrity?

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If you count on a high school coach to help you, then brace yourself for a lot of disappointment.


You certainly aren't talking about the HS coaches my sons have had nor the others that I know personally or have observed personally. Wow, nothing could be further from the truth with that statement. Oh sure, I've seen players' parents whose sons weren't very good get upset at the HS coach for not coming through on an impossible dream. Are you one of those?

No...your comments are way off base compared to my own experiences and observations. I cannot think of one single HS coach I know who fits any of that profile.

You sound bitter. Maybe your son had a really c-r-a-p-p-y coach...no doubt they exist. Or maybe your dreams just weren't possible? But I do not agree with any of what you have written in those comments.
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trojan-skippertrojan-skipper1,000+ posts
Jaggerz.. you are right, i am a part time person. I just spent "part" of my time writing 5 or 6 emails for 2 of my players that i am working hard to find a school.

The state will not allow me to work with these guys until Feb. or i would spend more of my part-time with them, working with them, if they wanted to.

They will let me spend part of my time with them working on weights and/or running, so i will spend part of my time on that.

During spring and summer when the state will let me work with them i am happy to spend part of my time working with them anytime we can. i throw a lot of bp and hit fungos to guys who play on my summer teams and other summer teams... this also takes part of my time.

i maintain the field 12 months of the year, this takes part of my time too.

I have never charged one dime for any kid in our school district to workout at any time of the year and in any grade k thru college.... so I am saving part of my time because I don't ever have to use part of my time going to the bank and cashing checks.
P PGStaff10,000+ posts
High School coaches, Travel Coaches, College coaches, Youth Coaches, Legion coaches, Professional coaches, any and all coaches... They range from Great to Worthless.

Since the PG All American Classic (formerly the AFLAC Classic) started in 2003 we have selected high school coaches for both the East and the West teams. There is never a shortage of great coaches to choose from. We don't care if they are part time or full time, only that they are great coaches, great men and care about the kids.

FYI... "justbaseball's" son's coach was selected a couple years ago to coach the West team. Our own "Coach May" is considered every year and will probably coach the East team at some point.

Looking at a half full glass... There are a very large number of outstanding coaches at every level. Half empty glass... There are a lot of bad coaches.
C cabbagedadHSBaseballWeb member since 2011
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Originally posted by jaggerz:
High school coaches are part time people. They have no incentive to help a player.If you count on a high school coach to help you, then brace yourself for a lot of disappointment.


Wow.
Jaggerz, I am a HS coach. My primary incentive is to help players. Most fellow HS coaches I know have the same primary incentive. It sure ain't for the money.

Is this Holloween or April Fools Day?
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
oh, i just remembered I spend PART of my time running concessions at JV football games too... that was 4 monday nights, then we sold cinamon rolls after the varsity games on Friday nites, we made them on Thursday after school and bagged them up and sold them.... so that was a little more part time stuff there....


You know I'm not very good at math but it seems to me that when you add up the all the "parts" of our time we put in it somehow ends up being more than 100%.
I ironhorse5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by jaggerz:
This is another example of a control freak coach. Go to the school board and demand his resignation. Put the heat on his bosses and he will be gone.

This is an example of an idiot, control-freak parent. Rather than be a man and try and have a conversation to understand a coach's logic, go behind his back and try and force him out.

People like you produce sorry, enabled, excuse-making children that make it really tough on part-time workers like me.
fillsfanfillsfan1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Jaggerz.. you are right, i am a part time person. I just spent "part" of my time writing 5 or 6 emails for 2 of my players that i am working hard to find a school.

The state will not allow me to work with these guys until Feb. or i would spend more of my part-time with them, working with them, if they wanted to.

They will let me spend part of my time with them working on weights and/or running, so i will spend part of my time on that.

During spring and summer when the state will let me work with them i am happy to spend part of my time working with them anytime we can. i throw a lot of bp and hit fungos to guys who play on my summer teams and other summer teams... this also takes part of my time.

i maintain the field 12 months of the year, this takes part of my time too.

I have never charged one dime for any kid in our school district to workout at any time of the year and in any grade k thru college.... so I am saving part of my time because I don't ever have to use part of my time going to the bank and cashing checks.


Great post skipper!! Keep on doing the right things for your students and players.
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C CaBB1,000+ posts
My son played on travel teams from the time he was 10 until he was 18. His high school experience was amazing. To me if a player doesn't play high school that is a red flag. I think HS ball resembles college ball more than trvavel ball. Playing high school you are with your teammates all the time at school and have to get along with them in the classroom and on the field. My sons travel ball team had players from all over- they had tons of fun and were very successful but I just think it had a different feel than the HS team.

I know in Southern Ca where Trombley is located there are tons of good baseball players. Maybe some don't make the HS team because of sheer numbers. It's great that those players have a place to play if that's what going on.
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