You can show me all the articles you like. I have seen pitchers hit 3 batters in a row and get tossed. Do you think he really wanted to load the bases ? He was a college pitcher who struggled with control. His Dad used to laugh and tell me he has stopped walking batters and has resorted to killing them.
You know what they say about what you read. Believe half of what you read and non of what you read if it is a sports writer.
quote:Originally posted by wellswood:
So what your saying is that if you teach a kid to drive responsibly from the beginning, you honestly think they won't speed once they go driving on their own with maybe a couple of friends in their car? So what your saying is if you teach a kid to drink responsibly he won't get drunk when he's at a high school party with no parents in sight and with girls around? What world do you live in man? Let's get back to reality here.
I'm not saying that what you said is the wrong thing to do, it just doesn't happen that way with teenagers.
I do live in the real world and you obviously don't understand responsible anything. If I teach a kid to drive responsibly I don't expect them to drive 55 in a 55 because that's the law. I expect them to drive in a manner that is something they can still control and stay with the flow of traffic. If they can control the vehicle at 65 in a 55 and all the other vehicles are there with him or her then that is responsible driving.
Once they start driving out of control then that is wrong.
Same with drinking. If I teach a kid to drink responsibly then I don't expect them to not drink when they are hanging out with their buddies. But I do expect them not to get so drunk they lose control of all their faculties or do something stupid like drive.
Both situations are against the law - speeding and drinking. If they get caught they have to pay the price. That is part of being responsible. If there is a team rule that is against drinking and you get caught then you have to suffer the consequences regardless of what you think of the rule - same as with any law. If there is a rule in place you make a choice - follow it or pay the price. That is responsibility.
You take a kid and tell him it's ok to him batters in certain spots or just look the other way then you are not being responsible. That is like giving them the keys to the vehicle and turning them loose without showing them how to drive responsibly. There is nothing different because in either case someone can get hurt. Chances are they won't but it is there.
I think we need to seperate the whole professional (MLB and MiLB) versus amateur ball aspect of this discussion. RJM started this asking about his son who is an amateur and not professional. Like I said before pros are grown men making adult decisions. These are kids making dumb decisions.
quote:I don't want to see the coach fired.
If its true WHY?
Coach I agree 100%. It is our primary job to teach our kids proper behavior from the early days. I know my kids. We didn't try to be their best friends and were very strict. We always explained why we did what we did.
My son just called. He had his 1st job interview. He was so excited especially when the interviewer said he was a great fit for their company. The guy explained his pay wouldn't be that great for the 1st couple years. Only $60-70 thousand but he could look forward to large 6 figure income in a few years and they would pay for his post grad studies. Yup I am proud of him and all my kids. This is what we have labored all these years for.
Baseball is a wonderful game. Teach your kids to play it like a man. MLB players are not always the ones to look up to. I was too close maybe. I saw a lot of bad stuff like a pitcher who was called up to the Jays and stole money from the locker room. Never heard from him again and he was a future star.
My son just called. He had his 1st job interview. He was so excited especially when the interviewer said he was a great fit for their company. The guy explained his pay wouldn't be that great for the 1st couple years. Only $60-70 thousand but he could look forward to large 6 figure income in a few years and they would pay for his post grad studies. Yup I am proud of him and all my kids. This is what we have labored all these years for.
Baseball is a wonderful game. Teach your kids to play it like a man. MLB players are not always the ones to look up to. I was too close maybe. I saw a lot of bad stuff like a pitcher who was called up to the Jays and stole money from the locker room. Never heard from him again and he was a future star.
This type of thing happened to my son last summer on a 18u travel team. He was pitching and the other head coach was was yelling at him that how could he think he could throw fast balls against a fast ball hitting team. My son struck out 3 hitters 2 had pop ups to the infield and the last one dribbled the ball back to him on the mound. He slowly jogged to first base and underhanded the ball to the 1st baseman. My son's catcher, who had played for the other teams coach at one time, told him in the dugout that the other coach would have the pitcher throw at him when he came up to bat. When he got up the first pitch went behind his back in the dirt, the next pitch came at his head. My son turn away and was not hit. He than pointed the bat at the pitcher and warned him not to do it again. The umps quickly pulled both players to the side and talked to them. My son did not leave the batters box, nor did the pitcher leave the mound. after about 2 minutes the umps let them play on, My son flew out to left field. After the game I talked to the home plate ump and he told me that my son's catcher had been egging my son on about the other coach and he felt that the catcher was the cause of the problem.
about one month later, when my son showed up at his first day of practice for his J.C. team, the pitcher was now his teammate. They talked about what had happened and the pitcher told him his was just trying to throw as hard as my son and lost the grip on the ball. no intent from the pitcher. They are good friends now.
(footnote, I did not let the reaction of my son go by, I took his car away for a week for his action and losing his temper)
about one month later, when my son showed up at his first day of practice for his J.C. team, the pitcher was now his teammate. They talked about what had happened and the pitcher told him his was just trying to throw as hard as my son and lost the grip on the ball. no intent from the pitcher. They are good friends now.
(footnote, I did not let the reaction of my son go by, I took his car away for a week for his action and losing his temper)
quote:Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
3finger: did the ump kick the kid out of the game??? and if not; that is some poor umpiring!
No, he didn't kick him out of the game. Is that poor umpiring? Well, perhaps. Intentionally throwing at a batter is clearly a violation of the rules, and the specified penalty is ejection. However, that umpire has a lot of experience, and I believe that by keeping the player in the game, he probably enhanced the likelihood that the player won't do it again in a later game. If he had kicked him out, at a time when the pitcher wasn't acting or thinking rationally, it is quite possible that F1 would never be able to recognize that his behavior was wrong. People frequently harden an attitude of self-justification if challenged when they are upset. Furthermore, if he were thrown out of the game, I assure you that some of his team mates and perhaps some parents would have told him that he had been unfairly treated, and enabled a defensive attitude.
So I suspect the umpire handled it well.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Interesting aspect here----nobody has said where the home plate umpire was in all this---if the coach said/yelled what he did,didn't the umpire hear it---they hear people in the stands chirping, gotta love their acute hearing abilities when they want to, and they can't hear this !!!!!
Interesting picture that has been painted---by the way was this game in PA?
TRHIT,
I guess you didnt read the whole thread....
here is the response about the umpire you were looking for...by me of course...(a PA UMPIRE)....
"That is disheartening to hear..... first off.. I hope your son recovers quickly and with no lingering effects....
There is a fine line between "keeping your ears out of my dugout" and being alert to what is going on around you.....
I wish your umpire had been more vigilant to what was going on around him..."
you cant bait umpires in one forum and accuse them of not standing up in another.....
A my son's game last week the opposing coach angrily yanked his pitcher out of the game in the middle of an at bat. Last night I saw the pitchers father and asked him what happened.
He explained, of the record, that his son was yanked because he refused to hit a batter as instructed by his coach. My son's team was leading by over ten runs and a kid stole a base (not a smart thing to do). The coach came to the mound and instructed him to hit the next batter. When he didn't, he came back out and replaced him. The new pitcher hit the kid with his first pitch.
So, this stuff does happen but usually with hot headed people. In two games I have seen this coach flip out, yelling and throwing down his hat, twice. At the umps and at his players.
As adults and teachers coaches should be more responsible than that.
He explained, of the record, that his son was yanked because he refused to hit a batter as instructed by his coach. My son's team was leading by over ten runs and a kid stole a base (not a smart thing to do). The coach came to the mound and instructed him to hit the next batter. When he didn't, he came back out and replaced him. The new pitcher hit the kid with his first pitch.
So, this stuff does happen but usually with hot headed people. In two games I have seen this coach flip out, yelling and throwing down his hat, twice. At the umps and at his players.
As adults and teachers coaches should be more responsible than that.
He's young. Let him be suspended and learn from it.quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:quote:I don't want to see the coach fired.
If its true WHY?
It would be the smart thing to do. A couple of years ago I went outside after 2am to ask some drunk people to quiet down. One took a swing at me. In defense I grabbed him by the shirt and threw him to the ground. Then I called the police to have him arrested.quote:you must be one of them parents that if a grown man punched your kid in the face, you'd call the cops to handle it huh?
Or you must be one of them parents that if a guy would ever rape your daughter you would let the cops handle it huh?
The guy I tossed had a torn shirt and cuts on his face, hands and chest from where he landed in the street. I didn't have a mark on me. I didn't get touched. When it was all sorted out (their lies and my truth) the police told me the good news the guy didn't want me charged with assault. The law had me as the initiator for coming out of my house and creating the situation.
I could have challenged the coach to meet me across the street after the game. Maybe he would have taken me on at the entrance to his dugout. But it would have got me arrested. What purpose would that serve? And what message would it send to all the kids in the game? It could have also got me banned from attending my son's games for the summer. And my son will be fine in a few days.
You did the smart thing.
Father had a client who was picked up hitchhiking. 3 guys took him to a rural location and attempted to rob him. He beat the CR+++p out of them. He was charged with assault and convicted. There is a point where defense becomes an assault.
Father had a client who was picked up hitchhiking. 3 guys took him to a rural location and attempted to rob him. He beat the CR+++p out of them. He was charged with assault and convicted. There is a point where defense becomes an assault.
Man, your trying to compare a freakin' drunk outside your house that wasn't hurting none of your family members. That drunk may have gotten on your nerves, but he didn't physically hurt a family member. You even quoted my comment!
An where did I say to fight the coach at the entrance to the dugout? Are you just making stuff up or something, I mean, seriously. No where in my post did I talk about someone someone "getting on my nerves" outside my house or fighting a coach at the dugout for all the kids to see.
I'll even ask it, RJM, if an adult punched your kid in the face, right in front of you, and he yelled out that he was even going to do it before he even threw the punch, what would you do? An be truthful, cause if your not, your only lying to yourself and trying to impress the bible-thumpers on this thread.
An where did I say to fight the coach at the entrance to the dugout? Are you just making stuff up or something, I mean, seriously. No where in my post did I talk about someone someone "getting on my nerves" outside my house or fighting a coach at the dugout for all the kids to see.
I'll even ask it, RJM, if an adult punched your kid in the face, right in front of you, and he yelled out that he was even going to do it before he even threw the punch, what would you do? An be truthful, cause if your not, your only lying to yourself and trying to impress the bible-thumpers on this thread.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
You did the smart thing.
Father had a client who was picked up hitchhiking. 3 guys took him to a rural location and attempted to rob him. He beat the CR+++p out of them. He was charged with assault and convicted. There is a point where defense becomes an assault.
It's obvious that the guy had a garbage attorney. I would appeal if I was him.
Wellswood you are showing your stupidity. Besides a liberal use of double negatives and poor grammer you don't understand the point.
Never owned or read a bible.
Never owned or read a bible.
I'm sensing some reading comprehension challenges. What if the young coach with a hair trigger mentality like yours decided to take me on right in the dugout when I told him to meet me outside? My son was not punched in the face. He was not hit by a pitch by the coach. My son's life was never at risk once the pitch missed his head. The event did not happen on the street. It happened in the arena of an event. There's a big difference. There are avenues to handle circumstances in the arena of competition. To violate them makes a parent just as guilty. In my son's case there are actions being taken. I've been contacted by two parties with power over the coach.quote:Originally posted by wellswood:
Man, your trying to compare a freakin' drunk outside your house that wasn't hurting none of your family members. That drunk may have gotten on your nerves, but he didn't physically hurt a family member. You even quoted my comment!
An where did I say to fight the coach at the entrance to the dugout? Are you just making stuff up or something, I mean, seriously. No where in my post did I talk about someone someone "getting on my nerves" outside my house or fighting a coach at the dugout for all the kids to see.
I'll even ask it, RJM, if an adult punched your kid in the face, right in front of you, and he yelled out that he was even going to do it before he even threw the punch, what would you do? An be truthful, cause if your not, your only lying to yourself and trying to impress the bible-thumpers on this thread.
As for the "bible thumpers" on the board, while not one of them, and wish there was less religion on the board, I respect their belief system and find the manner in which you are referring to them to be offensive.
I'm concerned this thread will be close soon as it's strayed away from the original topic. It's become one person's assault on people's values and beliefs.
You have to understand where the remarks come from. RJM you did the right thing and your son will benefit from it.
I also respect all religious views unless it is harmful to others. It is about values and I find wellswood has strange views. Not something I would want to pass on to a kid.
Believe me I have seen some nasty ball players over the years and it usually stems from the parents.
I also respect all religious views unless it is harmful to others. It is about values and I find wellswood has strange views. Not something I would want to pass on to a kid.
Believe me I have seen some nasty ball players over the years and it usually stems from the parents.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Wellswood you are showing your stupidity. Besides a liberal use of double negatives and poor grammer you don't understand the point.
Never owned or read a bible.
Maybe you don't understand my point.
Hey BobbleheadDoll, could you please point out my poor grammar, cause you know what, grammar is spelled G-R-A-M-M-A-R with an "A" towards the end not an "E". That's hilarious you talk about my grammAr and you misspelled the word grammAr. Hilarious.
As for RJM, you didn't answer my question.
I'm just saying if I heard a coach give an order out to his pitcher to hit my kid and then the kid threw the next pitch at my son's head, you're dang right I'd tell him to meet me across the street.
Now your labeling me as a guy with a "hair-trigger" and trying to put me on the same boat as the guy that ordered a hit on my son when I would simply be protecting my son. Ya'll are just getting funnier and funnier.
I'll ask again, if you heard a guy say the he was going to punch your kid in the stomach, and then do it right in front of you, what would you do?
I even changed it from getting hit in the face to the stomach. What would you do.
By the way, my kid is a junior in a D-1 college, so that last comment about not passing it on to a kid, I did just fine. My kid will be playing this Friday, how about yours?
Bobble's son played college baseball. My daughter played college softball. My son plays high school baseball. But none of that is a reflection of the way they were raised, proper conduct and values. Unless someone has something productive to add to the conversation, I'm out.
quote:Originally posted by wellswood:
Hey BobbleheadDoll, you must be one of them parents that if a grown man punched your kid in the face, you'd call the cops to handle it huh?
Or you must be one of them parents that if a guy would ever rape your daughter you would let the cops handle it huh?
I know I wouldn't, I'd go kick the guy to sleep and yes, my kid would see it as me protecting my family.
I think you would be the one with the warped view by not protecting your family.
An you know what, I might go to jail but the other guy would be going to the hospital first and by the time he went to jail, I'd already be bonded out and probably get probation do to the court understanding my situation of protecting my kid. All the mean while the next coach that thinks he can order a kid to hit mine in a high school game would think twice about doing it. It's not that hard to understand.
wellswood - I have read your posts and it is becoming more apparent to me by the post that you like to stir the pot. Our forums are not for getting in people's faces and that is what you are doing imho. Maybe this is not the right message board for you.
As an aside, your advice is terrible. If you caught someone in the act of harming your son or daughter (like your examples of rape or assault), of course you have the right to protect them in the "immediate" act of the crime. Other than that, such as in the context of this thread, you do not have the right to settle things with force no matter how justified you think you are. I suggest not putting people to "sleep" or you might wind up in prison for a very long time. You seem like one of those Internet bullies to me whose toughness is a product of hiding behind a computer screen. We don't need that attitude here and we won't tolerate it for much longer if that.
You are a classless idiot. Perhaps worse than the coach.
Yes I would stop a guy from a physical assault on my son or anyone Else's son. The difference is I would not beat him to a pulp like you would if you could.
Yes I would stop a guy from a physical assault on my son or anyone Else's son. The difference is I would not beat him to a pulp like you would if you could.
If teaching a guy that he's not going to harm my kid by giving orders to inflict pain on him, and being called a bully, then so be it.
I don't like "stirring the pot" and I don't think I'm doing such a thing. People may not agree with me on my opinion, they don't have to respond. It takes two to tango yet I'm being singled out.
When a guy says your stupid and says you have poor grammar yet he doesn't know how to spell the word grammar itself, do you say anything to him? Of course not, cause he has 4,780 post therefore you protect your own even though your own is calling people stupid and calling them an idiot. Have I called anybody names? NO I HAVEN'T!
An basically doesn't everybody hide behind a screenname, I mean, you have ClevelandDad, the other guy has BobbleheadDoll, and I have wellswood. So really, all of us are hiding behind a screenname. If not why don't people put their regular name as their screenname.
The bottom line is that I had an opinion, if you don't answer my opinion then I can't hold a conversation with anybody. Yet I'm the one that gets singled out when I haven't called nobody no names yet someone else calls me an idiot and says I'm stupid. That's funny being that he's a Canadian. Everybody knows how Canadians are. Their the butt of all kinda jokes here in the United States.
I don't like "stirring the pot" and I don't think I'm doing such a thing. People may not agree with me on my opinion, they don't have to respond. It takes two to tango yet I'm being singled out.
When a guy says your stupid and says you have poor grammar yet he doesn't know how to spell the word grammar itself, do you say anything to him? Of course not, cause he has 4,780 post therefore you protect your own even though your own is calling people stupid and calling them an idiot. Have I called anybody names? NO I HAVEN'T!
An basically doesn't everybody hide behind a screenname, I mean, you have ClevelandDad, the other guy has BobbleheadDoll, and I have wellswood. So really, all of us are hiding behind a screenname. If not why don't people put their regular name as their screenname.
The bottom line is that I had an opinion, if you don't answer my opinion then I can't hold a conversation with anybody. Yet I'm the one that gets singled out when I haven't called nobody no names yet someone else calls me an idiot and says I'm stupid. That's funny being that he's a Canadian. Everybody knows how Canadians are. Their the butt of all kinda jokes here in the United States.
I just went over all my posts in this thread and didn't see where I gave advice to anyone. Hey ClevelandDad, could you point out where I gave advice? Maybe I missed it. I may have said what "I" would do, but I don't remember telling anyone what they should do. Help me out please. Show me where I gave advice to anyone.
CD and I have lots of disagreements.
I believe it was you that called my Dad a bad Lawyer. He has a school named after him and was the head of the local school board. He was the youngest Queens Council in Ontario and was deeply involved in local sports and national politics. I really don't have to defend him but it shows what kind of a person you are. There are young HS players that come on here and what you are preaching is absolutely absurd.
I assure you I can spell and I know how to use spell check when I choose to.
I believe it was you that called my Dad a bad Lawyer. He has a school named after him and was the head of the local school board. He was the youngest Queens Council in Ontario and was deeply involved in local sports and national politics. I really don't have to defend him but it shows what kind of a person you are. There are young HS players that come on here and what you are preaching is absolutely absurd.
I assure you I can spell and I know how to use spell check when I choose to.
This is going nowhere - I vote to close it.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
JB I used to talk to MiLB pitchers all the time. Often when they came off the field. Many were visibly upset they hit a batter. Not because they hurt the batter but because they put him on base. Pitcher hate walking batters and hitting them. It happens but it isn't the desired result. Striking them out is always the better option. It hurts much more than being hit by a ball.
No pitcher is ever going to admit to anyone that he intentially sent a message. No one. Don't care how many years you have been hanging around the game, or how many admitted they didn't. If they are visibly shaken they placed a man on base, it's because it was not done to send a message or because the pitcher is a good actor. The pitcher will never send a message by coming in too close on the inside corner, never. That's why so many pitchers are afraid to pitch inside.
Please do not think I approve, and I agree that there is no place in the game for it for young players because they can hurt someone.
Unless you watch a game every night (follow the team) from game to game, you won't know when it's going to happen in pro ball or even on the college level. It may be the next series, it may be in a month, or it might be right away (which usually doesn't happen often) but it happens, when conditions are right (you don't intentionally put someone on base unless you know the run most likely won't score). That's why you think it doesn't happen. If you see a pitcher with excellent control who throws very high or at someones back, most likely the pitch didn't get away from him.
It's no myth, it happens all of the time. No one is going to admit it to anyone.
I'm still unclear..
So the coach said it loud enough for multiple people to hear and the Umpire didn't hear it?
If he did, he didn't say a word to the coach before or after?
So the coach said it loud enough for multiple people to hear and the Umpire didn't hear it?
If he did, he didn't say a word to the coach before or after?
I can tell you as a coach and umpire, behind the plate you really don't hear what is said unless it is really loud and on the field.
RJM,
The only thing that seems out of sorts in this situation is what you stated regarding the other coaches comment.
I believe you stated that the coach said ""If you look back at the catcher again I'll drill you in the earhole."
In laymans terms - I guess this nutcase was saying that he was about to instruct his pitcher to throw a baseball at 80-90 mph at your son's skull.
That - to me - is very very serious - and needs to be dealt with.
How you decide to deal with it is the tougher part - but no question - nuts like this cannot be allowed to continue that type of criminal behavior.
The threat of a potentially deadly strike needs to be dealt with. One way or the other.
The only thing that seems out of sorts in this situation is what you stated regarding the other coaches comment.
I believe you stated that the coach said ""If you look back at the catcher again I'll drill you in the earhole."
In laymans terms - I guess this nutcase was saying that he was about to instruct his pitcher to throw a baseball at 80-90 mph at your son's skull.
That - to me - is very very serious - and needs to be dealt with.
How you decide to deal with it is the tougher part - but no question - nuts like this cannot be allowed to continue that type of criminal behavior.
The threat of a potentially deadly strike needs to be dealt with. One way or the other.
ITS ...
The owner of the tournaments is deciding how long the coach is out. He provided the name of the coach. Legion requested it. I forwarded it to Legion. I haven't heard back.
The owner of the tournaments is deciding how long the coach is out. He provided the name of the coach. Legion requested it. I forwarded it to Legion. I haven't heard back.
Hopefully - they will give this nutcase about 50 years off.
Then - maybe - he can come back on the field and compete like normal human beings do.
Then - maybe - he can come back on the field and compete like normal human beings do.
Christ RJM,
You pitched in College back in the day. You would have hit a player that you thought was peaking. Teach your son better mechanics. I saw my son peeking one time and I chewed him for 15 minutes when he was 10. Never happened again. You should know better than to have a mechanic that involves turning your head in the catcher's direction before the pitch. It doesn't matter if he was cheating or not. If it looks like it, he is going to be hit. Coach him up and it will never be a problem again. Don't sue the coach or try to get him fired, it is part of the game.
Teach your son the right way and you will never have a problem.
You pitched in College back in the day. You would have hit a player that you thought was peaking. Teach your son better mechanics. I saw my son peeking one time and I chewed him for 15 minutes when he was 10. Never happened again. You should know better than to have a mechanic that involves turning your head in the catcher's direction before the pitch. It doesn't matter if he was cheating or not. If it looks like it, he is going to be hit. Coach him up and it will never be a problem again. Don't sue the coach or try to get him fired, it is part of the game.
Teach your son the right way and you will never have a problem.
at the age of 10 what signals does the kid look for ???
quote:Don't sue the coach or try to get him fired, it is part of the game.
This has to end! I don't care what they did in the past; throwing AT a batter needs to STOP!
bulldog
It is part of the game--not throwing at the head but throwing at the batter
Same with diving back into firstbase where the first sacker has an open shot at the back of your head-- we had a school when I was in HS that was as much a hated team as could be--we had no love for each other--I got knocked unconcious more than once by their first sacker as I dove back into first base---no big deal --it was expected
There was no PC nonsense back then--we just played the game
It is part of the game--not throwing at the head but throwing at the batter
Same with diving back into firstbase where the first sacker has an open shot at the back of your head-- we had a school when I was in HS that was as much a hated team as could be--we had no love for each other--I got knocked unconcious more than once by their first sacker as I dove back into first base---no big deal --it was expected
There was no PC nonsense back then--we just played the game
quote:There was no PC nonsense back then--we just played the game
I'm not PC by a long shot. That's not my concern. My concern is there are enough injuries and fatalities in sports as it is; there is absolutely no need for someone to go out of their way to try injuring another player.
Remember at one time it was alright to call a black person a "******" too. Times change; sports are no different.
RJM good stuff.
In all my years as an athlete and my son's years as a ball player, I never saw this garbage.
I hit lots of batters but not once was it intentional nor was I asked to do so. I would have refused. Had 1 guy threaten to throw his bat at me if I hit him in fast ball. Drilled him but he was in no shape to throw anything. Everyone accused me of throwing at batters but the truth was I was wild. I didn't enlighten them either. I liked the fear factor just like most pitchers do.
If throwing at batters is part of the game I sure wouldn't want to play in the National league.
In all my years as an athlete and my son's years as a ball player, I never saw this garbage.
I hit lots of batters but not once was it intentional nor was I asked to do so. I would have refused. Had 1 guy threaten to throw his bat at me if I hit him in fast ball. Drilled him but he was in no shape to throw anything. Everyone accused me of throwing at batters but the truth was I was wild. I didn't enlighten them either. I liked the fear factor just like most pitchers do.
If throwing at batters is part of the game I sure wouldn't want to play in the National league.
bulldog
Very strange analogy in your post---
I are not talking injury--I am talking about taking care of business
Very strange analogy in your post---
I are not talking injury--I am talking about taking care of business
It's been known in football to tell a kid, "hey look, I want you to go full bore and hit that kid hard, try to hurt'em , hit hard". While I know that it's somewhat different being that football players have pads on, but the mental intent is still there.
Doesn't every sport have "enough injuries"?
Parents need to quit worrying so much about lil'johnny and let them play the game.
Doesn't every sport have "enough injuries"?
Parents need to quit worrying so much about lil'johnny and let them play the game.
Since football was my main sport. I always hit hard but no cheap shots. I always believed that if you let up you will get hurt.
I had a full ride to U Tennessee and pro offers. I loved contact but always played hard.
I had a full ride to U Tennessee and pro offers. I loved contact but always played hard.
quote:I are not talking injury--I am talking about taking care of business
When a coach is talking about "throwing at your earhole" that is with intent to injure. That coach should not be in baseball!
quote:It's been known in football to tell a kid, "hey look, I want you to go full bore and hit that kid hard, try to hurt'em , hit hard". While I know that it's somewhat different being that football players have pads on, but the mental intent is still there.
The mindset is "hurt him so he doesn't hurt you." At least that's what I was always taught. But that "hurt" was a bruise that the pain lasted all of a play or two. Not putting one on crutches or even ending a career or potentially a life. I know there is plenty of cheap shot action that takes place too, but the overall mentality I don't think is as bad as you make it sound.