I agree.
The coach that ordered that your son be thrown at is an *******. Unfortunately *******s like that have crept into youth baseball because people let them creep in. Intentionally throwing at someone at the major leage level is one thing for a youth coach to order it (if that was the case here) is another thing.
IMO - I dont think this particular story has anything to do with "Old-school" baseball.
If you look at the catcher when you are in the box - you are going to get drilled. Whether you were looking at the mitt or swatting a bug away from you - you will be hit. That is baseball.
When an adult coach threatens to have his pitcher hit you in the side of your head with a baseball - that is insane.
That coach should be gone - period. He doesnt belong on a field with kids - or anyone else for that matter.
If you look at the catcher when you are in the box - you are going to get drilled. Whether you were looking at the mitt or swatting a bug away from you - you will be hit. That is baseball.
When an adult coach threatens to have his pitcher hit you in the side of your head with a baseball - that is insane.
That coach should be gone - period. He doesnt belong on a field with kids - or anyone else for that matter.
If a kid on the other team started or provoked this action then the boy and his teamates need to take care of it "Between the Lines". If a grown adult/coach had a part in making this happen then in the end he would wish he never met me. Takeing one in the ear would be mild.
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That makes you as bad as he is
That makes you as bad as he is
Not to mention as STUPID.
I have a lot of respect for RJM for pursuing this in the proper fashion.
I have a lot of respect for RJM for pursuing this in the proper fashion.
I am crazy.
"Stupid is as stupid does."
He's looking at his hands which based on high high he holds them would have him looking towards the sky. He does it as he sets in the box before the first pitch. The catcher isn't giving signals or setting up yet. This weekend, three games, no problems. Just like the previous 200+ games.quote:Originally posted by Doughnutman:
Christ RJM,
You pitched in College back in the day. You would have hit a player that you thought was peaking. Teach your son better mechanics. I saw my son peeking one time and I chewed him for 15 minutes when he was 10. Never happened again. You should know better than to have a mechanic that involves turning your head in the catcher's direction before the pitch. It doesn't matter if he was cheating or not. If it looks like it, he is going to be hit. Coach him up and it will never be a problem again. Don't sue the coach or try to get him fired, it is part of the game.
Teach your son the right way and you will never have a problem.
This weekend a Hall of Fame player told my son he likes his mechanics and patience at the plate. There was no mention of looking back.
I played high school football. There's a big difference between putting a hurt on someone and injuring them. My son played football in middle school. Mom was worried he would get hurt. I told her he would get hurt. What we don't want is injury.quote:Originally posted by "Rock-n-Fire":
It's been known in football to tell a kid, "hey look, I want you to go full bore and hit that kid hard, try to hurt'em , hit hard". While I know that it's somewhat different being that football players have pads on, but the mental intent is still there.
Doesn't every sport have "enough injuries"?
Parents need to quit worrying so much about lil'johnny and let them play the game.
"If you look at the catcher when you are in the box - you are going to get drilled. Whether you were looking at the mitt or swatting a bug away from you - you will be hit. That is baseball.
"When an adult coach threatens to have his pitcher hit you in the side of your head with a baseball - that is insane."
Te result is the same whether the pitcher initiates it or the coach, a youth is being thrown at with a hard leather ball at a high rate of speed.
It is not baseball and has no place in the game, at the youth level. IMHO
"When an adult coach threatens to have his pitcher hit you in the side of your head with a baseball - that is insane."
Te result is the same whether the pitcher initiates it or the coach, a youth is being thrown at with a hard leather ball at a high rate of speed.
It is not baseball and has no place in the game, at the youth level. IMHO
You got watch tonight's game Yankees Vs the Rangers, Texira hit by pitch twice, then Texira took out the Ranger's 2B by a sweeping leg. At the end Yankee pitcher blow one over the head of a Ranger's player. Everyone got warned. I guess this HBP thing is not a myth. It's so predictable.
quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
You got watch tonight's game Yankees Vs the Rangers, Texira hit by pitch twice, then Texira took out the Ranger's 2B by a sweeping leg. At the end Yankee pitcher blow one over the head of a Ranger's player. Everyone got warned. I guess this HBP thing is not a myth. It's so predictable.
And those are grown men being paid a lot of money to do that.
And thats the differance! Grown men against grown men, not an adult coach ordering one of his players to try on purpose to injure another kid. That's where another adult needs to step in. I would without even thinking twice.
And that goes for any kid on the team that I'm responsible for, mine or someone elses.
I still want to know where the umpires where in all of this?
RJM If he continues to look back "at his hands etc" if he continues to look back in the box he is going to continue to get drilled.
IMO this is the best advice :
By pursuing this further, I would be more worried about a bullseye being put on my sons back than getting the coach in trouble. My son's future is much more important than the bad coaches.
quote:Originally posted by Coach May:
First of all a hitter should never look back. You just dont look back. Whenever I see a kid looking back or looking down for location the first thing I think is the guy must not be very good if he thinks he needs to do that. The catcher should be setting up at a time when looking back before the pitch should not matter but thats not the point. A hitter looking back really p's players off. It doesnt matter why he was looking back he was looking back. Its just a no no in baseball.
Now having said that if this coach made a comment like that he is absolutely one dumb guy and if he went to the mound and told his guy to hit a player he is not only dumb he is a complete buffoon. I hope your son is ok. I hope he recovers soon and can continue to play very soon.
Personally I would talk to his coach and tell him you want him to deal with this. I would not file a suit. I would not file a complaint. I would tell his coach that you want him to call the other coach , the umpire and find out what they said. Tell them that its not going to be tolerated in the future and if it happens again you will have it on video and take the appropriate measures.
You dont want your son being the guy that is remembered for being the kid that sued for looking back at signals. "Even though he wasn't that is what will be said." You dont want him embroiled in something that could become a huge fiasco. These type of situations never go one sided when all is said and done. No one comes out completely clean. Your son will be made out to be a cheater and a cry baby. You will be made out to be a meddleing dad with a video camera. Is it really worth all of this?
You can be 100% right but that does not mean you will come out of it 100% unscathed. Go through the coach and let him do his job and protect his player and players. Something that he entirely failed to do in the first place judgeing from your story. I would have walked over to the opposing dugout after that first pitch and told that coach if the next pitch so much as sniffs my player I was going to personally come back and kick his a_ss. But hey , thats just me.
On second thought I would have walked over there and told him that after he came out of the dugout and made that idiotic statement. If the umpire had opened his mouth about what I said I would tell him if he was worth a dump I wouldnt have to kick that coaches a_ss.
By pursuing this further, I would be more worried about a bullseye being put on my sons back than getting the coach in trouble. My son's future is much more important than the bad coaches.
You once again bring up a good point TR. The umps are supposed to be the one constant, the level headed ones, the ones keeping all others in check weather it's the unscrupulous coach or the ever protecting parent like myself. Let us all remember what this game is all about and how much fun it is when it's played the right way. And it's in the job description of the "Men in Blue" to remind us all of this from time to time.
quote:He's looking at his hands which based on high high he holds them would have him looking towards the sky. He does it as he sets in the box before the first pitch. The catcher isn't giving signals or setting up yet. This weekend, three games, no problems. Just like the previous 200+ games.
This weekend a Hall of Fame player told my son he likes his mechanics and patience at the plate. There was no mention of looking back.
Ok im a yankee fan so I watch a lot of games. I beleive Matsui does look back at his hand when he sets up... and he does not get thrown at like that.