Kyler Murray

What the A's saw was a elite athlete.  His speed and athleticism are completely obvious if you watch him take 20 snaps as a QB.

If the A's saw enough in his swing to project him has a 20ish HR guy with the ability to steal 50+ bases and cover a lot of ground in the OF as a possible CF then you might have a 1st rounder.  The obvious comp is McCutcheon who without the 3 years of his prime was a .275 20 HR 20SB guy.  Also a 5 time all-star.  Not bad.

I don't know anything about all the guys in the stat rundown above - but I would be willing to wager that none are the physical specimen Murry is.  You can't teach size or speed.  

I understand the argument that he might have been a reach in top 10 - but if he can hit - a big IF, then there is little doubt he would have been worth it if he came anywhere near what McCutcheon was.  

My estimate is that there was a 1 in 10 shot of that happening.  40% - 60% shot he'd be a journeyman 4th OF and 1 in 3 on bust.  If you use the draft to swing for the fences then it makes sense.  If you are at #9 and want to be sure you have a 80% shot of a competent MLB player that has a 10+ year career - then Murray probably isn't the move.

But remember guys still fail.  Try these names out Cuddyer, Zito, Baez, Whitson, Rowell, Crow and Pelfrey.  All guys drafted 9th in the last 20 years.  There are others but the point is that the MLB draft is he least knowable of all drafts and some teams will luck into good players or lose on prospects widely held in high regard.

Also read the As wanted to take a shot because they can't afford star players. Murray had a bust risk but also star potential. As can't sign a star  so they need to take some risks.

Seems like murray made the right decision.

I really don't think this is the end of Murray and baseball.  I'll give him 3 years and this football thing isn't working out, I could see him jumping back to baseball

He looked so terrible in that Bowl game last year.  Not ready for prime time.  Surprised he went 1st overall but I'm not a scout, not even an arm chair scout

3and2 he started slow in that game but had a good 2nd half so numbers werent terrible

I like him... just thought this was funny.

Like baseball it’s all about mechanics and metrics over stats that make an NFL prospect. There’s a guy you can ask. Tim somebody. I forgot his last name. As the song says, (He) Don’t get around much anymore. 

Sorry still digesting the Daniel Jones pick. 

2022NYC posted:

Sorry still digesting the Daniel Jones pick. 

I just read an article from a panel of three draft analysts stating the Giants over valued all three first round picks. The article was titled the Giants will take years to recover from blowing the first round. 

cabbagedad posted:

I like him... just thought this was funny.

Would be even funnier if he was standing on a pile of cash. 

RJM posted:

2022NYC posted:

Sorry still digesting the Daniel Jones pick. 

I just read an article from a panel of three draft analysts stating the Giants over valued all three first round picks. The article was titled the Giants will take years to recover from blowing the first round. 

We can hope

RJM posted:

2022NYC posted:

Sorry still digesting the Daniel Jones pick. 

I just read an article from a panel of three draft analysts stating the Giants over valued all three first round picks. The article was titled the Giants will take years to recover from blowing the first round. 

It's bizarre when you look at Jones' numbers and results last season that you could possibly consider him over Haskins or Lock and even 5 or 6 others.  Draft guys had him as low as #10 among QB's.  Maybe the biggest stretch in QB history.  The Mannings had better hope this kid works out or their days as QB "gurus" will be over real quick.   As a Buckeye fan, I loved it when the Redskins took Haskins.....not only is he in the NFC, away from my Steelers, he'll get a chance to beat the Giants....and better yet, the Cowboys twice a year for a long time

2022NYC posted:

Sorry still digesting the Daniel Jones pick. 

Well he is either going to be Eli Jr. or Dave Brown.  In a worst case they wait until 2020 to make him the starter - and he is a bust like everyone thinks he is.  Gettleman gets fired - Giants go all in on Lawrence.  They are left with a decent to good O line, an improving defense and a HOF Running back and $100MM in salary cap.

Best case is he is what they think and they and some of these other players turn into decent players and they are a couple of pass rushers away from being a serious contender.

All this set back for years stuff is crazy in the NFL. Every team has at least 15 competent players so they are one good draft and a few good signings from being competitive.  To be bad in the NFL you have to whiff 3 or 4 years in a row which the Giants basically did from 2012-2017.

I am sure all the Patriots fans remember that time their season ended when Bledsoe had his chest exploded to be 0-2.  Went just like all the panicky fans thought I am sure after TAAAWWWWM took the field.  The only other person who got Pipped more than Bledsoe was Pipp himself.  For those that don't remember Adam V made the last play of the year and the Dynasty started.

luv baseball posted:

 

.................. For those that don't remember Adam V made the last play of the year and the Dynasty started.

Well the Dynasty had some awesome picks in 2019 in my opinion, and that has me worried if it is too good to be true.  I never thought they'd win it all in 2018, never ever.   Belichick does miracles and I've learned never to 2nd guess him.   I really liked Stidham in the 4th round...freaking genius.

fenwaysouth posted:

luv baseball posted:

 

.................. For those that don't remember Adam V made the last play of the year and the Dynasty started.

Well the Dynasty had some awesome picks in 2019 in my opinion, and that has me worried if it is too good to be true.  I never thought they'd win it all in 2018, never ever.   Belichick does miracles and I've learned never to 2nd guess him.   I really liked Stidham in the 4th round...freaking genius.

I grew up in Chestnut Hill within walking distance to BC. The Patriots played there for a year. They stunk! We would sneak into the games with tricks you could never pull today. As an adult I had an “Aha! moment”. They didn’t catch us because we became seat fillers in a half empty stadium.

Imagine trying this today ... Huge bags of ice were unloaded outside the gate in the parking lot. Grab a bag of ice. Throw it over your shoulder covering your face. Walk through the gate like you work there, say “concessions” and keep moving. Get inside, Chuck the bag and run like hell. 

I was at the “snow ball game” at Harvard Stadium against the Vikings in 9th grade. It snowed Saturday night. The stadium seats weren’t cleared off. Where do you think that snow went when the Patriots started stinking up the joint?

The Patriots were so bad then they were playing preseason games in Birmingham AL and Jacksonville. They were trying to decide where to move. Had Schaefer Stadium (the world’s biggest high school stadium, 60,000 aluminum bleacher seats) not been built the Patriots were gone. Before Schaefer the Patriots played in three stadiums (Fenway, Alumni/BC and Harvard Coliseum) in three years. 

Shaaaaafaa Stadium - built as a concrete bowl with those benches in about 9 months I think.  Perhaps the worst professional stadium I was ever in.  It wouldn't be built today except on a college campus or high school.  In fact there are few joints in Texas for HS that are probably better.

Schaefer was built for 6M in 1970 money. It would be 39M now. 

Not a football expert, how is he doing? Team is pretty bad, isn't it? Is he looking like a starting QB? Did he make the right decision?

I watch the fourth quarter of Red Zone every week. I’m seeing games in crunch time. Unless a rookie QB looks really lost or plays like a Pro Bowler it’s hard to tell in the first season. NFL defenses are very complex. Everyone on the field is a lot faster and quicker than college. Sometimes Murray looks like a future star. Sometimes he makes rookie bonehead mistakes.

Everyone on the field has NFL talent. Success ultimately comes down to understanding what you’re seeing in a timely manner, not misunderstanding your skill set and reacting properly. 

What most first year QB’s learn is what worked in college doesn’t always work in the NFL. It’s a hard lesson usually learned by experiencing turnovers. 

He was the first pick in the draft...yes it was obviously the right move. 

old_school posted:

He was the first pick in the draft...yes it was obviously the right move. 

No brainer, still can't believe Oakland made that pick

Just signed a 230 mil extension, guess he made the right decision

I wonder if the contract includes a tutor for the 4 hour film review

Do the math. He’d be a $700k rookie this MLB season.