@TPM posted:

You know you should make it a habit to look up people's info on their profile page.

Baseballmom's "kid" is 32 years old and has sat in the dugout with Manny Rivera and Derek Jeter.

 

At the risk of bringing Dadbelly's wrath on me, "kid" was a generalized term.

You really need to learn how to not become so emotionally invested in shit posted on the internet.

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Again, not surprisingly, you miss the point. 

Of course the purpose of the site is to inform. But you have attempted 3 times to justify your admitted LACK of knowledge of who's doing what & rumor mongering by deflecting! You continue to stir the pot by insinuating I have my head in the sand.  So, listen up...

When players hits campus every fall, they are given a list of banned substances. Same is true for MILB & MLB Spring Training. Testing is random in all entities. Coaches, Trainers, Managers & front office folks are more than a few steps ahead of you. 

So, if your kid uses his "kidneys",   , you have nothing to worry about. 

Several of these guys drafted out of high school in the last few years and were released will end up at D2 schools with varying levels of eligibility based on pro experience.

@19coach posted:

Several of these guys drafted out of high school in the last few years and were released will end up at D2 schools with varying levels of eligibility based on pro experience.

None of them will have any eligibility if they have pro exp. 

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I can’t remember the details. My basic search didn’t find an article. I’m not going to search NCAA rules. But this has been a board conversation in the past ...

There is or was an NCAA rule if a minor leaguer never had an agent and didn’t play more than X years of pro ball he can play college baseball at the D2 or D3 level.

if you think this through what are the odds of it occurring? Most players signing out of high school are top talents with advisors who become agents or they’re late picks who are likely dumber than a bag of rocks and not college material. 

Editted based on changes I remembered from my initial post.

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@PABaseball posted:

None of them will have any eligibility if they have pro exp. 

I do believe they do still have eligibility under certain conditions. 

I can't remember what they all are but not  ever having an agent and making minimum milb wage, time served, may be some of them as well as having to sit first year in attendance. I think it covers D3 as well.

I see RJM posted similar as well.

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@PABaseball posted:

None of them will have any eligibility if they have pro exp. 

D2 allows pro guys to to school and play ball if they have 3 or less years pro experience and were drafted/signed out of high school. 1 year pro = 1 year loss of eligibility. 

D3 allows this too but it's a moot point because pro players must not have received compensation while in the minors which they all do.

Interesting did not know. Thought once you accepted payment from a pro team your amateur career was over.

What would the point of going back be? To get drafted again? Feel like it would be silly to go from pro back to D2 baseball. I would also assume not many take this route. 

@PABaseball posted:

Interesting did not know. Thought once you accepted payment from a pro team your amateur career was over.

What would the point of going back be? To get drafted again? Feel like it would be silly to go from pro back to D2 baseball. I would also assume not many take this route. 

I never heard of this either until it was pointed out here many years ago. I don't think it's really a popular option, however, it obviously gives the high school senior who signed very late rounds for nothing and no agent a chance to play NCAA baseball.

FA signing began today at 9am.  

Is there a place to track the signings? Out of the group of kids my son got to work out with this spring, 6 were drafted and 4 more are expected to sign free agent deals. 

Is there a place to track the signings? Out of the group of kids my son got to work out with this spring, 6 were drafted and 4 more are expected to sign free agent deals. 

Probable when the FA signing time is over. Baseball America is tracking on twitter.

@TPM posted:

Probable when the FA signing time is over. Baseball America is tracking on twitter.

D1 baseball is also tracking. Lists of Baseball America and D1 baseball are not identical. I think some clubs report while these sources are picking up some by info by player or their college from twitter.

@Ripken Fan posted:

D1 baseball is also tracking. Lists of Baseball America and D1 baseball are not identical. I think some clubs report while these sources are picking up some by info by player or their college from twitter.

Thanks. 

FAU lost a good one today,  best second baseman ever. Best of luck #6 Francisco Urbaez!  Your dream came true!

Best of luck to all of the free agents!

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Maybe I'm completely missing something but the way I understand it the UDFA's are only getting $20,000.  Is there a way that they are getting way more than that?  Why would a junior last year who could come back as a Corona Junior sign for $20,000?  Plus he is not getting to play this summer probably.  Why would they sign for $20,000?  The chances of getting way more next year has to be higher.  help me understand.

@PitchingFan posted:

Maybe I'm completely missing something but the way I understand it the UDFA's are only getting $20,000.  Is there a way that they are getting way more than that?  Why would a junior last year who could come back as a Corona Junior sign for $20,000?  Plus he is not getting to play this summer probably.  Why would they sign for $20,000?  The chances of getting way more next year has to be higher.  help me understand.

I'll take a stab, but more old timers should weigh in.  

Why a junior would take a UFA now rather than wait:

1)  He will be a year older next year.  This really does make a difference in pro ball.

2)  There will be only (up to) 20 rounds next year.

3)  Next year he will be competing with a new crop of high school players, the rising juniors, corona juniors, seniors, and 5th year seniors.

4)  He will have the MLB scholarship (reimbursement program) for his final year, if that expense could be an issue.

5)  Injury could always happen.

6)   Better coaching at the milb level than college. (?)

7)  "A bird in the hand...."

 

Keewart, I understand all of those but I just wondered if I was missing something.  I can't imagine the money next year being worse than $20,000 for a good P5 pitcher.  I just wondered if I was missing that they could give more than $20,000 (which is what I've heard and understood) or if there is some other incentives that go with it.  A couple of these guys would easily next year be top 10 round guys unless injuries happen. 

I don't get it either. From what I understand it is a hard 20k cap. Incentives can apply, but not unlike any other year. I saw a few high schoolers signed and I couldn't believe it. It must be a situational thing where the 20k will benefit them immediately. I don't think I would've signed as a FA this year just based on the fact that they really won't be getting paid after June. Even a senior next year. Why sign for 20k when you can get 5k next year and finish school? The scholarship is likely worth more. 

It's going to be interesting to see how many sign. So far it's very few, and it looks like a good percentage of those are from private schools.  If a kid's getting a 25% scholarship at a school with a $60K cost of attendance, signing now, especially with the MLB academic money, could make financial sense.

@keewart posted:

I'll take a stab, but more old timers should weigh in.  

Why a junior would take a UFA now rather than wait:

1)  He will be a year older next year.  This really does make a difference in pro ball.

2)  There will be only (up to) 20 rounds next year.

3)  Next year he will be competing with a new crop of high school players, the rising juniors, corona juniors, seniors, and 5th year seniors.

4)  He will have the MLB scholarship (reimbursement program) for his final year, if that expense could be an issue.

5)  Injury could always happen.

6)   Better coaching at the milb level than college. (?)

7)  "A bird in the hand...."

 

Great points here. I was going to highlight a few, but all are good. #1 (age is pro ball) is truly a key reason. There's just so much unknown ahead; pools could be smaller ($$) to in 2021 based on financial losses this year. The draft could very well be 20 rounds, but maybe their will be "slots" for 20 rounds instead of this year's 5 and last year's 10 rounds.

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From everything I've read the KC Royals by far are having the best UDFA process at landing top players. They  (and Twins) were one of the first to pay its minor leaguers for the balance of the season, whether or not it happens. Twins signed a highly rated pitcher.

@Gov posted:

Noticed Trinity kid Koperniak signed w St Louis Card's....solid player from NESCAC

A father of an Amherst pitcher sent me a text of that signing.

I am in agreement for most of the reasons Keewart posted on why sign this year and not next as a senior. Seniors don't get much for signing even in a normal draft anyway.

I think this is a personal decision. I am sure that most of these players already had discussions with their coach.

What I don't understand is why a HS grad would take this offer. 

I do know of one that turned down 500k in the draft  and another who decommitted to a 4 year and going to JUCO next year.  

JMO

Do ya'll not think being a Corona Junior gives you equal leverage as pre-corona junior.  I agree with everyone that hs guys must not have an option if they take it. 

@baseballhs posted:

So I just saw a kid drafted in the 4th round signed for $10K.  Why??? Are there some perks I don't know about?

Money saving for another pick. He is not truly a 4th round talent and wouldn't have gotten more as an undrafted free agent either. Not saying the team didn't like something with him but the main reason for him was saving money 

I was looking at some of those too. If it's the same team that you are referring to (White Sox), their third rounder signed for $50,000- well below the $700K slot. Their 2nd rounder will scoop up most of the savings on the 3rd and 4th rounder bonuses. He was the 12th ranked player on board ( a HS player)chosen in second round.

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The Mets also had a 4th round SS sign for $20K, which is also the max for undrafted free agents. Mets signed many of the UDFA's too.

@Ripken Fan posted:

I was looking at some of those too. If it's the same team that you are referring to (White Sox), their third rounder signed for $50,000- well below the $700K slot. Their 2nd rounder will scoop up most of the savings on the 3rd and 4th rounder bonuses. He was the 12th ranked player on board ( a HS player)chosen in second round.

Makes sense. I heard JK got first round money.

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