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MSABC - Nomination Process -

S scout1010+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by scout10:
In his post about the MSABC pre season team he seems to think he knows the list.


Dear scout: I did not recently post about the Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches All-State (MSABC) pre-season team! So should I just think about the G, then the F, and end with the U (or maybe you can read after all)?

Dear Mr. Miller: I won't make any opinion about anyone's decisions to transfer from an excellent public school and pitcher (in his time, and friend) coach i.e. at Howard HS, or that I voted for your son two (?) years ago for the pre-season Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches All-State team, and I am happy to hear your son's arm injury recovered and look forward to watching him pitch this year, and hope he will stick to his plan as a ME graduate, yet I may consider accepting guff from the best part of the Miller family, Deb, not your cr&p (apologies are accepted).



Ok then what is the list that you published?
L larrythompson500+ posts
As someone who has had the priviledge of coaching dozens of 17-18 players over the years who have gone on to various colleges/universities and professional baseball...I'd like to say that the MSABC Nomination Process is no better or worse than some others I have seen.

As an associate scout for the Houston Astros for the past 15 years, I can tell you that some of the best players (with the highest ceilings) haven't even been noticed yet.

Bear does alot of homework. He sees lots of players and speaks to many people. He and I have had our differences in the past, but his son played in our summer program several years ago...and I know he knows what a good player looks like.

These lists are next to worthless in my opinion. No one knows why certain kids are nominated and others are not. It happens and there is nothing we can do about it...other than starting our own lists, full of players who are placed their by our biases and favoritism.
S scout1010+ posts
larry,

I have no problem if MSABC picks players that they want even if I don't agree. It is just the way it is. But they picked the other night and did not put it out yet.

It had nothing to do with the list. If he clarified that they were his picks or he said I think this is the list but the list didn't come out and the school commitments that he put next to some of the players were just wrong. It was misleading.
B Bear1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by larrythompson:

He and I have had our differences in the past, but his son played in our summer program several years ago...and I know he knows what a good player looks like. These lists are next to worthless in my opinion.


Larry,
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I am unable to recall such past differences, (and I am hoping it's a little part of my pretty bride's Christian heart that helps me to forgive, forget and move on. However you are a friend of some excellent baseball friends, and thus I would consider a friend.
(and you can never have too many of those, either.)

With regards to my son (and my hero & breadth of fresh air). I don't recall Casey playing in the Columbia Reds "Program". And that would include 19U, 18U, 17U, 16U teams (if they are included w/in 'Program).
I don't recall the Columbia Reds have a 15U, yet I am sure Casey did not play with them either. Casey did play for the Maryland Reds 12U, which were not a part of the Columbia Reds, and played for a summer HCYP team, and an AYRA team. Casey absolutely enjoyed playing for American Legion-Cissel Saxon at age 14, and then consecutively up to age 17, before moving on to Bradenton, FL in the Collegiate Florida League after HS (the year Legion moved the age to 19U).

I think lists are what they are.
I especially like a list where I write (at noon) the name of the guy hitting 3rd, who is catching, the kids who shows up two-three hours before game time, and who has the ball and for a good 6-7 innings. Makes the job a little easier, don't you think.

Nomination process? Nadda. OMG, we are talking about HS teachers that coach baseball, here. They have bosses that want them to have lesson plans. Many don't like 'em, and try hard not to use them. No need to even talk about process in the classroom environment.

OBTW: I accepted a 2008 position to be located at the Fort. You may be hearing from me for lunch, and are the third baseball guy I know there (and of course should you want to brow beat fastpitch in the area for your girls, I've been around that great game too.)

As far as that other guy (or gal): I don't know him/her from jack; have not seen much, if any, data/informations/contributions/substance in his limited posts; has or is becoming borderline boring;, appears to be a member of the excuse club; and with 'misleading' cr&pola, kinda reminds many of a very old dress (or maybe that very funny beer on the head commercial); might be from the Down-Under Gang as a wankr) Might you be a wankr?

Don't know why I am humming that verse: "We fired our guns and they began a running, down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico" Smile
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T Terp_Pride10+ posts
Hmm, I think scout 10 and Mdhsbbfan had great points. However in typical Bear fashion he will dance around a subject, talk about stuff that doesn't matter. I am going to give it to you in simple terms.
1) Does Bear watch a ton of baseball? Yes
2) Has Bear been involved in MD baseball for a very long time? Yes
3) Is Bear a BS artist? Yes
4) Does Bear write and say inaccurate information? Yes
5) Should you take anything he says with a grain of salt? Yes

Bear you said ealier how you would be at the meeting and everything, did you go? Did you tell the new MSABC adminastration that they were failures? That's right we know the answer...it is NO, and that's because you are all talk. Heard from a HC that there was almost 70 coaches there and membership is up over 100 now. Not to bad in my mind. A whole lot better than it used to be. I am never going to woof guys that are working hard to promote the great game of baseball to our kids. Maybe you should consider that also.
T Trepfan100+ posts
Terp_Pride

[quote]I am never going to woof guys that are working hard to promote the great game of baseball to our kids[/quote --- Exactly --- "to our kids" --- which kids are you talking about "our kids" -- now you are finally showing your cards......you sound and think like you attended Maryland public schools. ---- good luck with promoting "our kids".
B Bear1,000+ posts
T_P:

Should you want to step up to the plate and identify yourself, many readers, and others, would benefit from your information.

Until that time, you are simply boring.

Regarding MSABC Metrics. 100 Coaches in attendance is a great metric. Should 1 coach be represented per HS that would revise to 25% participation. However at the Dec meetings, typically four to five coaches attend per HS (voting block) which really means 20 - 25 HS (which is an increase of particpating HS from 4%.) Let's allow you do the math.

And three more items:

1. You are wrong in "Bear you said ealier how you would be at the meeting and everything"

2. You are wrong "the new MSABC adminastration"

3. You are on a crusade to and state "I am never going to woof guys that are working hard to promote the great game of baseball to our kids."

I have responded to your alleged allegations, took exception to it before, and will proceed under all available alternatives. May this be a Cease and Decist.
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M mdhsbbfan10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by scout10:
In his post about the MSABC pre season team he seems to think he knows the list.




Dear Mr. Miller: I won't make any opinion about anyone's decisions to transfer from an excellent public school and pitcher (in his time, and friend) coach i.e. at Howard HS, or that I voted for your son two (?) years ago for the pre-season Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches All-State team, and I am happy to hear your son's arm injury recovered and look forward to watching him pitch this year, and hope he will stick to his plan as a ME graduate, yet I may consider accepting guff from the best part of the Miller family, Deb, not your cr&p (apologies are accepted).



Bear, Here you go again on one of your rambles... I stated, quite correctly, that your list has some inaccuracies. Why can't you just admit it and call it a day? How/why you have to pull my wife and son into this is way beyond me. In fact do me a favor... leave them out of it. Secondly, thank you for the support of my son a few years ago, but you know nothing about his reason for transfer and have no reason to even bring it up. The school he left may be excellent in your eyes, but the school he transferred to had AP science/math classes that no public school in Howard county even offers and is one of the reasons he is doing as well as he is as a ME major playing DI baseball. Go rant somewhere else, but you're way off base on this one. (apologies are accepted)
T Terp_Pride10+ posts
You are correct Mdhsbbfan, he is going into one of his rambles again, where he doesn't make any sense. That is what someone does when they can't back up their talk. Bear ran his mouth about the MSABC and it's leadership, but when push came to shove he didn't go to the meeting like he said he was going to do, and he sure didn't have the guts to say what he said on the internet to those in charge of the MSABC. Bear you are a joke, and the more you talk, the more you prove it.
To the players that made the MSABC list congrats. To those who didn't, work hard and show up at the regional tryouts and hopefully you can make Team Maryland or the Senior All Star game at Camden Yards.
B baseball1253210+ posts
Bear:

Thanks for your original list of players that you submitted, including the 12? ineligible Marylanders matriculating at DC or Va schools (one you left out was Ft Washington OF Leighton Cooper, a ND recruit, schooling in Va.)

I can't remember when Maryland has ever had as many future college players living within it's borders as are in this year's senior class. Much credit goes to passionate baseball folks like those who read and post here, who have coached, followed and supported these athletes. What's the over/under on D1's from the Land of Pleasant Living this year?
T Trepfan100+ posts
To those kids that made the final cut -- congratulations --- you have worked hard and deserve the recognition. To those players that reside in the State of Maryland including those that have already been NATIONALLY recognized as the best baseball players in the NATION....and were excluded from this local list --- take it for what it is worth......"it all comes out in the wash" ---lets see what happens in May/June MLB draft ---

Best of holidays to everyone.....
B Bear1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by mdhsbbfan:

I have received the following email from Mr. Miller.

"Bear, I have no idea who you are and don't care... I also don't care if you have issue with what I write or say. What I do have a problem with is you including my wife's name in your response. Your editorial about my son's decision to transfer is also out of line. I don't give a rats behind what you think about my son's transfer. Did that thought ever cross your mind? I am not even sure how your reponse has anything to do with what typed.

I'm asking you nicely, please delete my wife's name from your post and remove and reference of my son.?"
)


Should he purge his bs first, then.
L larrythompson500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by larrythompson:

He and I have had our differences in the past, but his son played in our summer program several years ago...and I know he knows what a good player looks like. These lists are next to worthless in my opinion.


Larry,
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I am unable to recall such past differences, (and I am hoping it's a little part of my pretty bride's Christian heart that helps me to forgive, forget and move on. However you are a friend of some excellent baseball friends, and thus I would consider a friend.
(and you can never have too many of those, either.)

With regards to my son (and my hero & breadth of fresh air). I don't recall Casey playing in the Columbia Reds "Program". And that would include 19U, 18U, 17U, 16U teams (if they are included w/in 'Program).
I don't recall the Columbia Reds have a 15U, yet I am sure Casey did not play with them either. Casey did play for the Maryland Reds 12U, which were not a part of the Columbia Reds, and played for a summer HCYP team, and an AYRA team. Casey absolutely enjoyed playing for American Legion-Cissel Saxon at age 14, and then consecutively up to age 17, before moving on to Bradenton, FL in the Collegiate Florida League after HS (the year Legion moved the age to 19U).

I think lists are what they are.
I especially like a list where I write (at noon) the name of the guy hitting 3rd, who is catching, the kids who shows up two-three hours before game time, and who has the ball and for a good 6-7 innings. Makes the job a little easier, don't you think.

Nomination process? Nadda. OMG, we are talking about HS teachers that coach baseball, here. They have bosses that want them to have lesson plans. Many don't like 'em, and try hard not to use them. No need to even talk about process in the classroom environment.

OBTW: I accepted a 2008 position to be located at the Fort. You may be hearing from me for lunch, and are the third baseball guy I know there (and of course should you want to brow beat fastpitch in the area for your girls, I've been around that great game too.)

As far as that other guy (or gal): I don't know him/her from jack; have not seen much, if any, data/informations/contributions/substance in his limited posts; has or is becoming borderline boring;, appears to be a member of the excuse club; and with 'misleading' cr&pola, kinda reminds many of a very old dress (or maybe that very funny beer on the head commercial); might be from the Down-Under Gang as a wankr) Might you be a wankr?

Don't know why I am humming that verse: "We fired our guns and they began a running, down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico" Smile


I know it has been lots of years, but Casey played for Stan Merson for a year. Stan coached one of our younger Columbia Reds teams. They eventually won a Dizzy Dean World Series the next season.
Al McCormickAl McCormick1,000+ posts
If I may, it seems the discussion has gotten off track and the focus has gone from the kids and ... well let's say it has gone from the kids.

The reason why or the he said/she said discussion takes away what we seem to have a lot of in this state. Some very nice baseball players, regardless if they get Pre-Season All State or not.

I speak with college coaches on a daily basis and I can tell you they love players from Maryland. Not to start a debate or argument, never have had one ask me about any of the adults.

With that we are all blessed with talented kids, whether they are are ours or those who allowed us the opportunity to coach. Let's enjoy them, mention them here, and stay positive.

Remember players do read this site, and in a funny sort of way we are teaching them with our approach, as well our actions.

Be safe and enjoy the holidays. It won't be long until we are all watching the game we love, as well the kids we love.

Al McCormick
www.mostvaluableplayer.biz
L larrythompson500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Al McCormick:
If I may, it seems the discussion has gotten off track and the focus has gone from the kids and ... well let's say it has gone from the kids.

The reason why or the he said/she said discussion takes away what we seem to have a lot of in this state. Some very nice baseball players, regardless if they get Pre-Season All State or not.

I speak with college coaches on a daily basis and I can tell you they love players from Maryland. Not to start a debate or argument, never have had one ask me about any of the adults.

With that we are all blessed with talented kids, whether they are are ours or those who allowed us the opportunity to coach. Let's enjoy them, mention them here, and stay positive.

Remember players do read this site, and in a funny sort of way we are teaching them with our approach, as well our actions.

Be safe and enjoy the holidays. It won't be long until we are all watching the game we love, as well the kids we love.

Al McCormick
www.mostvaluableplayer.biz


Right on Al! The head coach of Gulf Coast C.C. (Florida) told me back in 1999 he would take a player from MD over a player from Florida anyday if the two players had similar skills (and he could afford him). Players in MD play in terrible weather and on shoddy fields.
B Bear1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
You are correct Mdhsbbfan, To the players that made the MSABC list congrats. To those who didn't, work hard and show up at the regional tryouts and hopefully you can make Team Maryland or the Senior All Star game at Camden Yards.



T_P

As I have stated to you directly it's NOT about me, it's NOT about you, and for those that enjoy baseball, they know that I believe and practice, and have been blessed that it's all about the kids. AND I PRACTICE THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYDAY and IT IS NOT DEBATABLE.

I have responded to your alleged allegations, take exception to it again, and will proceed under all available alternatives. May this be a 2nd Cease and Decist.

As far as the MSABC, I support it and have paid my MSABC dues. I see no need to even inquiry about you, since it is reality of your inabilities to come out of the closet, so try to keep up.
OBTW: And to clarify so that you may be able to understand, the 'unofficial' MSABC list was made available by the MSABC Exec Committee and I have posted on a separate blog.

I am not thinking about the G, then the F, and finally the U for you anymore.
T_P you are 100% boring, and then, there is no reason for to match wits with someone unarmed.


Mdhsbbfan: Purge your blog first, & I will amend. Final Answer
B Bear1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by larrythompson:

I know it has been lots of years, but Casey played for Stan Merson for a year. Stan coached one of our younger Columbia Reds teams. They eventually won a Dizzy Dean World Series the next season.


Larry,

From memory, that team in 1999 was a merger of two good youth teams from the year before, yet was under the budget and domain of the AYRA Reds.
The 1998 Maryland Reds (from SSSA - played at Fairland - from which Merson's oldest Steven briefly played). Merson's 1998 AYRA Reds played both in-house and some travel (I do remember the Maryland Reds five inning mercy of AYRA Reds at the NABF Playoffs at 6th Street. My friend Frank Jocko Svoboda umpired (and he frequently recalls barking at Merson before the game even started)!

Any way, about 7-8 parents from the 1998 Maryland Reds got together and asked what it would take to get to the World Series. The offer on the table in front of me was if I could figure out a way to do that, the trip would be paid for. I recall handing my 1999 recruiting list to Merson when I met his President of Sandy Spring Bank in Olney (Pres - he played at UVA, when I played at Terpville) the year before. So presto, those two youth teams combined, Stan coached, (he asked me to help coach with him at the 1999 World Series yet under strict doctors orders ...unable to....wife would have stopped feeding me....which probably was a good idea). I think it was in 2000, where Merson coached as you say, the Columbia Reds 15U and won a WS. Casey played American Legion for Cissel as a 15 y/o in 2000. Matt Montgomery also played American Legion that year (and I think you know that story). It was also Conrad's Bolston last year of baseball as he is now a pro-football player. (Of course I had to call Casey in Wisconsin to figure this all out, and I may be a year off or two. Good memories though, and of course it went so fast.)
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