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EC Ebby Calvin Laloosh10+ posts
I was watching the Cub game last night and a play happened that Bob Brenley commented on and it got me thinking.

Man on First, 1-0 count on batter. Runner on first fakes a break to 2nd, batter hit a foul tip that the catcher holds on to. Catcher sets himself to throw to first but does not. Brenly comments that the catcher didn't get a good grip on it and that is why he didn't throw. I said to myself, "no, its because it was a foul and the ball is dead when its not the third strike. That's why catcher didn't throw."

I was surprised that a ex big league catcher would miss that but then I started thinking that maybe the caught foul tip is different than a regular foul ball. Obviously if it was fouled off to the side on the ground, its a dead ball and the runner can't be picked off but what about on a caught foul tip which was only strike one. Was I wrong?
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Ebby Calvin Laloosh:
I was watching the Cub game last night and a play happened that Bob Brenley commented on and it got me thinking.

Man on First, 1-0 count on batter. Runner on first fakes a break to 2nd, batter hit a foul tip that the catcher holds on to. Catcher sets himself to throw to first but does not. Brenly comments that the catcher didn't get a good grip on it and that is why he didn't throw. I said to myself, "no, its because it was a foul and the ball is dead when its not the third strike. That's why catcher didn't throw."

I was surprised that a ex big league catcher would miss that but then I started thinking that maybe the caught foul tip is different than a regular foul ball. Obviously if it was fouled off to the side on the ground, its a dead ball and the runner can't be picked off but what about on a caught foul tip which was only strike one. Was I wrong?


Yes, you're wrong.

A foultip, by definition is a live ball strike.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
He could have made the throw on this play because the ball was not dead. Go to the ump forum and ask this question or do the search function on foul tips or something like that.

There is a LOT to this rule that the vast majority of people don't know. I asked a similar question a little while ago but there is a ton to this rule.

But to answer your question yes the ball was live and he could have thrown it.
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jeff Connell:
If what he says is right, it was a foul ball. The original poster says it hit the ground so it was a foul ball not a foul tip. Ball is dead. Right?


from the OP....

"Man on First, 1-0 count on batter. Runner on first fakes a break to 2nd, batter hit a foul tip that the catcher holds on to. Catcher sets himself to throw to first but does not."

the op does not mention hitting the ground.....states caught foul tip..and would be a live ball....
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jeff Connell:
If what he says is right, it was a foul ball. The original poster says it hit the ground so it was a foul ball not a foul tip. Ball is dead. Right?


Perhaps you're posting in the wrong thread. The original post in this thread is in reference to a foul tip which the catcher "holds on to."
B BaseballMom10100+ posts
Hi,

We had the same play last night in 14U travel game. Runner on first stole second. Batter foul tips and catcher holds on to strike two. Runner stays at second because foul tip is a live ball.

My question: The home plate ump yelled: foul ball, so catcher didn't throw thinking that runner had to go back.

I know the catcher needs to know the situation and react accordingly.... is that the right mechanic or should the home plate ump said foul tip or nothing at all?

I was impressed they got the call right, not sure of the mechanic though.
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by BaseballMom10:
Hi,

We had the same play last night in 14U travel game. Runner on first stole second. Batter foul tips and catcher holds on to strike two. Runner stays at second because foul tip is a live ball.

My question: The home plate ump yelled: foul ball, so catcher didn't throw thinking that runner had to go back.

I know the catcher needs to know the situation and react accordingly.... is that the right mechanic or should the home plate ump said foul tip or nothing at all?

I was impressed they got the call right, not sure of the mechanic though.


Umpire should not have called foul ball on the foul tip....there is no verbal mechanic for foul tip........just a physical one.....

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