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H Hsbaseballcoach10+ posts
I should stick to coaching, but no one has tried to prove me wrong with anything i stated regarding a&m. Name call, tell me to leave, i could care less, but no one has tried to convince me i'm wrong...no one with any kind of facts or anything.

I'm the one thats brought up several arguments with stats. I want someone to convince me and prove to me what i said was wrong....so far all I've heard is SEC SEC SEC. haha....you guys are delusional.
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
Correction RJM. They played then #2 Florida and beat them.

In case you missed that searching.

And FYI, most SEC along with other conferences play subdivision teams during the season. To work on plays, get through injuries, etc. It is what it is. It's not just an SEC thing.

YGD
Ok ... They played two ranked teams and got the SNOT kicked out of them by one of the two. Without even researching I'll guess no major conference plays more non BCS opponents than the SEC.

Oregon lost one game in overtime to a team in the top ten and they're on the outside looking in. They beat four ranked teams.
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MizzoubaseballMizzoubaseball1,000+ posts
OK, here you go, I will try to prove you wrong. No big deal, dont get upset. Disagreements are part of life

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Originally posted by Hsbaseballcoach:
A&M win the big 12 this year? haha. I'm not a football fan so i could care less about SEC vs. Big 12, but cmon! They havent won the big 12 since 1998.

"So tell me exactly how the last few years have anything to do with this year. New coach and a new quarterback brought a lot of change to aTm and they ran with it. The past is irrellevent. I dont know how strong of a program you coach, but does 4 years ago have any bearing on how the upcoming season will go?"



A&M exposed the SEC this year....end of story!

"How did a 6-2 team that finished third in their division, expose a conference? Makes zero sense."

SEC is top heavy! Very weak on the bottom teams and have two great teams.

"Latest BCS standings show 6 SEC teams in the top 10. Yeah, only 2 great teams. How many Big 12 teams can face Notre Dame in the ship? Big East? Big 10? Pac 12? Yep, zero. But two SEC teams can."

Fact is that there are 5-6 head coaching job openings in the SEC this year.

"Four--Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Auburn. you brought up Mizzou later. They are staying with Pinkel."

SEC is down this year, therefore the reason A&M walked in there and beat out those bottom teams and will finish 3-4th.

"Again, if a conference with 6 of the top 10 teams in the nation is down, then as a Mizzou fan I am scared to death to see it when it is up."

Trust me when i say this...me being from Texas, the mentality from the schools here was no one was worried about A&M beating them....because they havent proven it in a long time. They have however upset UT the past couple of years though....UT has been down and barely had winning seasons recently.

"Wait, nobody is worried about aTm beating them, but then you post how they have beaten Texas the last couple years? Sounds like Texas should be glad they are gone, now that they have real coaching. Heck, even Mizzou had a 3 or 4 game winning streak against aTm coming into this year."

I'm excited A&M has done well, but my argument is they would not win the big 12 this year, and if i had to guess, they probably wouldnt have finished in the top 4.

So you are telling me that K-State, Oklahoma, Texas, and Oklahoma are all better than aTm? Wow. I guess we can agree to disagree on that, but look at the polls, which is all we really have. Only K-State is ahead of them, even with that whipping Baylor game them. Shoot, aTm only lost to top 10 teams, not decent teams with zero defense.



As far as the SEC bottom feeders?

Kentucky, Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, and Missouri. The 5 that didnt make a bowl. Yes, Kentucky is horrible, Auburn is two years from a national title and has a decent history,Arkansas had thier worst year in about 20, and Missouri and Tennessee were only 5-7. And I know Missouri had their worst year in about 8 years. The bottom feeders are not worse than the bottom feeders in other conferences. They only look worse because they have to play the other teams in the conference.
S SwampboyHSBBWeb Administrator
I have a question for my friends here who are so sure the Big 12 is awesome this year.

How could you possibly know?

The Big 12 schools made sure no one could have an informed opinion of their relative strength this year. The entire conference played exactly one ranked non-conference opponent all year, and OU lost that game at home by 18 points to ND. The whole rest of the season is a closed loop. They played unimpressive non-conference opponents and each other.

Too bad Texas refused to play the Aggies. Then we could have tested Coach 2709's theory that an SEC team needs about two more wins than a Big 12 team to be considered comparable.

Granted, games are scheduled too far in advance to know how good opponents will be when the games finally get played. I suppose it's possible K State thought Missouri State, Miami, and North Texas were going to be tough opponents when they contracted the games. Maybe.

Notre Dame, on the other hand, has wins over then #8 Oklahoma, then #17 Stanford, then #10 Michigan, then #18 Michigan State, and USC, who everyone expected to be better than they were. Three of those five were on the road. That's a nice body of work. They clearly belong.

Nearly all the top SEC teams tried to play at least one serious non-conference opponent. Alabama began the season on the road dismantling then #8 Michigan. Florida convincingly beat #10 FSU. South Carolina owned the clock against #11 Clemson. LSU's 41-3 drubbing of Washington wasn't noteworthy at the time, but the Huskies have since climbed to #25. Georgia gets a partial pass for their game against Georgia Tech: GT is only so-so this year, but it is a rivalry game and GT is sometimes good, and UGA did destroy them. One of the less impressive SEC non-conference resumes is actually Texas A&M's, but even their narrow escape over then #23 Louisiana Tech is still better than any non-conference win posted by anyone from the Big 12.

So we have a pretty good idea that Notre Dame is legit and the top SEC teams are legit. How good are the Big 12 teams? We have no idea. I honestly don't know how you folks can be so sure the Big 12 is great this year. Maybe they are. Ask me in January. Until then, the difference between you and me is that I know I have no clue.
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MizzoubaseballMizzoubaseball1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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we have a pretty good idea that Notre Dame is legit


Wow, it took 5 pages, but the SEC guys are coming around to thinking ND is legit. That's a little progress. Wink


Uh, first page of this I gave them credit for going undefeated and deserved a spot in the championship game. I just think they will lose.
S SwampboyHSBBWeb Administrator
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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we have a pretty good idea that Notre Dame is legit


Wow, it took 5 pages, but the SEC guys are coming around to thinking ND is legit. That's a little progress. Wink


Tx-Husker,
First, I'm not an SEC guy. I'm a confused Big 8 fan who hasn't figured out where to transplant his loyalty after all the conference re-juggling.

Second, I was nice to ND on page one.
J johnj314100+ posts
As far as the Missouri-Kansas rivalry goes the KU camp is really PO'd that Missouri left the Big 12 and act like they have been on the bad side of a bitter divorce. There's no talk of resuming the series in Football and the Basketball rivalry, which is proably even bigger than the football, isn't even a possibility with Bill Self donwright smug in his comments dismissing it.

For me, who grew up and still lives in STL and went to college and played football in Kansas (Washburn), I always enjoyed the Big 8 and especially the rivalries like MU-KU,OU-NU, heck even Colorado-Nebraska was good not tool long ago (where are you Bill McCartney?). The Big 12 was an big adjustment for me but Missouri in SEC, in my humble opinion, is just not a good fit and is wrong for many reasons. Its just unfortunate the almighty dollar is the reason for all of the college realignment and upheaval...
MizzoubaseballMizzoubaseball1,000+ posts
As far as all this Missouri talk? I also miss the days of the Big 8. Unfortunately, they are gone, and we went to the Big 12, which I was never a fan. Seemed the Texas school ran the conference.

Missouri had its problems with the Big 12, and with all the uncertainty in the conference the last couple years, they saw a shot to go to a more stable conference and took it. Having more exposure and more money doesnt hurt either.

Two points to discuss:

There is no comparison to us now and the shape Arkasas was in when they joined. Arkansas was weaker, as they lost to The Citadell, an FCS school their first year in the conference. This was Missouri's worst season since at least 2004, and they still won 5 games. It's not like they came in and got totally dominated and lost every game. Don't think Pinkel is the man for the job anymore, but by no means do we compare to Arkansas in 1992.

As far as kansas goes? I couldnt care less if we ever play them in any sport, again. Missouri has an offer to play them, but they seem to be pretty against the idea. And the rivalry became too stupid, for lack of a better word. Pretty bad when I walk into a restaurant with my daughters wearing my Missouri hoody, and a guy gets in my face yelling "Rock chalk, jayhawk, F you moo" I'm sure a kansas fan could tell you a similar story. It just got ridiculous.
O oldmanmoses1,000+ posts
SEC bowl record last 4 years 23 wins 15 loses. not exactly the overwhelming superiority the SEC fans yell about. Yes the SEC has had a nice run the past few years but where was the SEC from 99 to 2005? Did the rest of college football get so bad? The sec as a conference has about 4 powerhouses and the rest are average D1 programs. Though Bamas did have to play those football powers W. Kentucky, FAU, and W. Carolina this year. Whats that 25% of their wins?
S SwampboyHSBBWeb Administrator
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Originally posted by oldmanmoses:
SEC bowl record last 4 years 23 wins 15 loses. not exactly the overwhelming superiority the SEC fans yell about. Yes the SEC has had a nice run the past few years but where was the SEC from 99 to 2005? Did the rest of college football get so bad? The sec as a conference has about 4 powerhouses and the rest are average D1 programs. Though Bamas did have to play those football powers W. Kentucky, FAU, and W. Carolina this year. Whats that 25% of their wins?


I dunno, Moses. Hard to say whether it's overwhelming or not.

Why don't you tell us how many other conferences had their teams get into 38 bowls in four years and how many conferences are +8 in bowl games over that period.

Please tell us which other conference you are comparing them to. Who has done as well or better?

Also, I was under the impression that bowls try to create good match ups. Seems to me that any conference that is at or above .500 in bowl games is doing ok.
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S SwampboyHSBBWeb Administrator
Soooo . . . what has been settled so far?

SEC suffered a couple high profile losses and survived some nail biters. For a little while, it looked like Vanderbilt might have their best bowl win. Even if Alabama wins the national title, the conference-wide celebrations should be somewhat muted.

ACC and Big East pulled off some notable wins.

PAC12 fans are real glad Oregon came through and spared them from having to celebrate Stanford's 6-point win over 6-loss Wisconsin as their greatest triumph.

The Big 10, bless their hearts, keeps showing up for bowl games even though they must know by now it can only lead to heartache. Give Michigan props, though, for a great, albeit futile, effort.

It probably does not help the Big 12's bragging rights that their biggest wins came in the Holiday and Heart of Dallas Bowls.

Northern Illinois really didn't belong in a BCS game.

TRHit was right about Oregon and Texas A&M. YoungGunDad correctly disdained Florida.

Manziel is amazing.

Can't wait for the championship game.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
I want Alabama to humiliate Notre Dame. I only have to deal with SEC arrogance on this board. Besides its from people/posters who are ok people. Notre Dame arrogance is everywhere in the northeast due to the heavy Catholic population. What annoys me is Notre Dame fans who barely graduate high school and can't spell "college" using Notre Dame football for their self esteem and attempting to put other people down.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
You're right Swampboy. Louisville completely put egg on my face with their whooping of the Gators. I was in total shock but hey, they came out from the first minute and was ready to play nose-to-nose football. And it showed.

I also look forward to the NC game. Should be very good!
Had Louisville closed out some drives it would have been a lot worse. They hurt themselves at the end of some drives. Teams don't want to be missing field goals after starting first and goal.
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S SwampboyHSBBWeb Administrator
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Originally posted by oldmanmoses:
RJM sorry but you are not going to get your wish. ND is NOT FAU, Western Carolina or Eastern Kentucky.


Perhaps ND will also discover that Alabama isn't Boston College. So what? Teams are generally evaluated by their best wins and their worst losses. Which doormats they wiped their feet on is irrelevant.

Both teams have enough quality wins to encourage my hope for a competitive game, and Bama's loss to A&M is more understandable in light of subsequent events.

BTW, Alabama did not play Eastern Kentucky. They played Western Kentucky, which won a bowl game. But as I said before, the strength of a team's weakest victims says nothing about how they'll play in a championship game. Both ND and Alabama beat enough good teams that each should approach the game with confidence in themselves and respect for their opponent.

For the record, my team was not bowl eligible, so I don't have a rooting interest. I do happen to think Bama is the better team, but I'd rather see a close ND win than a Bama blowout. When I stay up late, I want to be rewarded with drama.
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justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
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Originally posted by RJM:
I want Alabama to humiliate Notre Dame. I only have to deal with SEC arrogance on this board. Besides its from people/posters who are ok people. Notre Dame arrogance is everywhere in the northeast due to the heavy Catholic population. What annoys me is Notre Dame fans who barely graduate high school and can't spell "college" using Notre Dame football for their self esteem and attempting to put other people down.


I am a practicing Catholic but don't like ND. Never have. But do you have a problem with Catholics? My father-in-law (wonderful man) only finished HS, was a plumber all his life and loves Notre Dame. Always has. Does he not have that right? What does it matter to you if he feels a kinship to a college because of its religious (or any other) affiliation?

I really don't understand this comment that a lotta folks make that if you didn't attend a college you can't be a legitimate fan of that college.

BTW...Roll Tide! (no, I didn't attend 'Bama) Wink
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by justbaseball:
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Originally posted by RJM:
I want Alabama to humiliate Notre Dame. I only have to deal with SEC arrogance on this board. Besides its from people/posters who are ok people. Notre Dame arrogance is everywhere in the northeast due to the heavy Catholic population. What annoys me is Notre Dame fans who barely graduate high school and can't spell "college" using Notre Dame football for their self esteem and attempting to put other people down.


I am a practicing Catholic but don't like ND. Never have. But do you have a problem with Catholics? My father-in-law (wonderful man) only finished HS, was a plumber all his life and loves Notre Dame. Always has. Does he not have that right? What does it matter to you if he feels a kinship to a college because of its religious (or any other) affiliation?

I really don't understand this comment that a lotta folks make that if you didn't attend a college you can't be a legitimate fan of that college.

BTW...Roll Tide! (no, I didn't attend 'Bama) Wink
I take issue with the Notre Dame fans who did not attend the school then belittle others who support the college team where they attended college. Or the Notre Dame fan who belittles people who attend small colleges, love their football team and have their college and football team called rinky dink. There are plenty of Notre Dame fans like this in the northeast. On multiple occasions I've seen these Notre Dame fans call college graduates losers because their college's team isn't as good as Notre Dame.
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S smalltownmom100+ posts
Notre Dame and Alabama actually played in the Orange Bowl my senior year of high school. We attended that game. Alabama was undefeated coming in and ranked #1, whereas Notre Dame had a few losses. Well, ND won-- Parseghian's last game vs Bear Bryant-- huge stuff. What I'm saying, anything can happen. As an Auburn alum I have an extremely difficult time rooting for Alabama. (I won't) However, I do root for the SEC, so I'm a little torn on this game. Facts are, these are two very proud universities-- and they have many rabid fans-- as they should. I don't understand the rationale that you have to attend a school to root for them. I became a Denver Broncoes fan the day Peyton signed with them-- although I still like the Colts, Bucs, and Giants (Eli). Doesn't matter why you're a fan-- just be a good one.

My team wasn't bowl elgible this year either, but we will return! War Eagle!
O oldmanmoses1,000+ posts
swampboy. No, that is very relevent as the bcs is a larg part on strength of schedule. When you are declared one win away from being a dynasty playing 1AA teams should not be a thought. Boston College Vs Fau? Not even close! 1AA Western Carolina Vs anyone on ND schedule, not even close! If schedule was so meaningless how come the experts looked at Notre Dames schedule in the beginning of the year and said ,no way! And please spare me the SEC line that any school in the SEC is great. they have about 3 to 4 realy good bunch of average ones. as the bowl records indicate.
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