Recruited non scholarship player

Yup for the coach.

No money left in Nov ????

with the new 25% rule 2 scholarships dosnt go very far.

Yes that is true. My son's school opnly funds about 4.5.
The 25% is tough for a recruit who has no access to other funds than BB money.

will the new rules not force schools to fully fund baseball?

never understood why some don't it's not like cash is changing hands comping tuition, dorm, books etc

yanks, there are ways to assertain how many schollys are funded at that school. the info is not easy to find tho, easiest way is to call their athletic or compliance office. 2 seems odd for a big e coast dI

I have always thought you will get more guys getting no money at all. More emphasis on academic money.
Coaches will say they have no money because they are holding what little they have for the BIG FISH

for example, IF Duke wishes to fund 5 more baseball schollys -
there are no real costs incurred adding 5 guys to the student population


1) put a few extra folding chairs in each class room

2) put bunk beds in 5 of the bigger dorm rooms

3) they already thow food away or give it to a local food bank, so meals are covered

it's too simple

I also question the school's commitment to the baseball program if they are truely only funding 2 of the 11.7 possible baseball grants. If the coach is not telling the full story, well that is another story.

If they just don't have any more money left, that could be, but just say so or tell the player they choose to spend their money on other players.

actually i believe if they add scholarships to a mens sport they must also match that number to the womens side. so it cost the school double

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actually i believe if they add scholarships to a mens sport they must also match that number to the womens side. so it cost the school double

that may be a valid point, but 2 x 0 = 0

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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actually i believe if they add scholarships to a mens sport they must also match that number to the womens side. so it cost the school double

that may be a valid point, but 2 x 0 = 0

Dang new math

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Originally posted by Bee>:
will the new rules not force schools to fully fund baseball?

No.

NY Yanks: is this the school your son really wants to go to? You said he wouldn't have gotten in without baseball...does that mean he wouldn't have applied otherwise? Might be a good opportunity for him academically..or is it going to be a stretch? I think it depends on how much your son wants to go and can you afford it?

Just my thoughts. I really love our folks here on the HSBBW who are always so eager to give out info and answer questions ans sometimes taken advantage of......only 2 scholarships to give out at a big D1 on the east coast and asking if it is a good deal, just doesn't add up.

Not sure about NYYanks purpose and intentions. Check out the first two posts.

JMO.

TPM

Between this thread and a few other recent posts nyyanks has made I wonder about the "troll agenda"

tr

TEXAN

Verry cute--to say the least

I agree with TPM. TWO total baseball scholarships at a "Big" D-1 is hard to beleive. BIG D-1's are not short of cash. If they are short of funds they find themselves called small D-1's. Besides as Bee points out the ACTUAL cost is basically the air he breathes and the ink he wears off the pages of the books the college loans him.

The admin isn't held accountable for the ACTUAL cost, though. The accountants are going to attribute the tuition rates, fees, board rates, etc. to the baseball program. And those figures will be used for budgetary, evaluation, Title equality purposes, etc.

And these same costs must be reported to the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't accept ACTUAL costs as they are being referred to here.

If it was so easy to do, every D1 would offer the full 11.7.

Major D1's are surely at the max, though.

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The accountants are going to attribute the tuition rates, fees, board rates, etc. to the baseball program. And those figures will be used for budgetary, evaluation, Title equality purposes, etc.
And these same costs must be reported to the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't accept ACTUAL costs as they are being referred to here

ok, so if the COA is $24K x 11.7 = whatever the total

the accoutants can attribute this & that ... here & there

no money changes hands, no expense is actually incurred ... it's all on paper

if the bean counters & accountants wanted to fund 11.7 they could

I thought it was odd when the coach told me he only had 2.3 scholarships but,I believe him. the school has about 20,000 students so I would say it qualifies as a big school.My son spoke with some of the players and found out the 1st baseman, 3rd
baseman and both outfielders are non-scholarship players. Anyway, my son loves the school, tuitions not a problem and starting as a freshman at any d1 school is a big plus so he will be signing as soon as admissions clears his app. good luck

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by nyy: Anyway, my son loves the school, tuitions not a problem and starting as a freshman at any d1 school is a big plus so he will be signing as soon as admissions clears his app. good luck

congrats on your son's choice. it sounds like he is confortable with it

btw, late signing period is not til April, however as a "walk-on" with no athletic money (or academic money) no NLI can be offered, and it's not necessary to sign anything except tuition checks

wishing good luck

If you read the college sites they carry a disclaimer at the bottom of the signee announcements stating that the scholarship is based on their getting accepted to school and being approved by the clearinghouse


You do not need to be accepted to the school to sign a NLI

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Originally posted by Bee>:
...it's all on paper...

And it is what goes on the paper that counts in the administration of the university and to organizations such as the NCAA.

It is revenue lost, and must be accounted for.

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You do not need to be accepted to the school to sign a NLI

that is correct of course, my comment referenced the fact that this player was offered no money, presumably just an offer to be a freshman starter if he can get thru admissions.

you raise a good point tho, there could be 25 other guys with the same offer, some with gpa high enough for academic money.

how far will the coach stick his neck out with admissions for a guy reaching just to be on the bubble??

Tex, the ABCs of University accounting

a) they are making buckets of profit

b) their books are NOT public

c) tuition & fees do NOT go up to cover expenses, they raise them "because they can", to make more profit

bee

at times you sound like the "scorned" wife--filled with venom

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you sound like the "scorned" wife--filled with venom

I'm guessing you disagree with something I said, but not sure

your comments often need a translator, maybe mega-doses of creatine would help

BEE

Don't ever guess !!!

I was just commenting on your attitude of late---lots of angst

As for the creatine--I eat steak and red meat more nites than not so I don't think you want to go there--
As for a tranlator--I cannot help you if you cannot undertsand where I come from

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BEE Don't ever guess !!! I was just commenting on your attitude of late---lots of angst

hmmm,

Bee>'s response to NYY - "congrats on your son's choice. it sounds like he is confortable with it "

TRHit's response to NYY - "Between this thread and a few other recent posts nyyanks has made, I wonder about the 'troll agenda'"


I'll see that "angst" and raise ya a "disconnect with reality"

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Originally posted by Bee>:
Tex, the ABCs of University accounting

a) they are making buckets of profit

b) their books are NOT public

c) tuition & fees do NOT go up to cover expenses, they raise them "because they can", to make more profit

No, that is not university accounting. Now you are talking about something completely different, and with which I am very familiar (having one in college).

The college bureaucracies (in many schools) are building empires. The more staff they have working under them, the more they can "justify" asking for a big raise since they now have to manage so many people. Thus the costs increase and so do the tuition, fees, etc.

While on a different topic, your points here are all valid. Except that a state supported school does have regulations regarding required disclosure.

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by Tex: state supported school does have regulations regarding required disclosure.

your points are well taken

state schools ARE non profit, which technicaly means the can't distribute profits to "corporate shareholders" (which they have non of)

they can however take extra cash from the coffers and make HUGE investments funding multi-millions in scholarships & endowments .. never touching the principle.
they can pay key personell exhorbatent salaries & build castles for them to live in.
they can confiscate property thru eminent domain laws for pennies on the dollar of their value and make deals w/local government (whom they have over a barrel)

How right you are - "technically" they are not for profit. But as you know, that doesn't mean they don't pay massive salaries to the top administrators. I wouldn't mind as much if they used the "profits" for scholarships. But somehow that doesn't seem to happen in the state schools in this part of the world.

One state university spent millions upon millions on a new high rise condo type dorm. They were trying to compete with the off campus apartments and condos. And they set the room rate ridiculously high, priced just a little under what the nice off campus apartments cost. Sadly, they failed to realize that most of the students living in those off campus apartments and condos had reasons other than just nice accommodations for living off campus - they wanted out from under university rules.

So that massive fancy dorm building was way, way under capacity the first year. Then the school started cutting the exorbitant room fees for that particular dorm, going below the "break even" in an attempt to lure students. But to offset that "loss", they went up on the rates for all the other dorms on campus.

Great business acumen, eh? Really made you happy as one whose kid was in one of the regular dorm. Paying more just due to the poor judgment of the university administration.

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by Tex: So that massive fancy dorm building was way, way under capacity the first year. Then the school started cutting the exorbitant room fees for that particular dorm, going below the "break even" in an attempt to lure students. But to offset that "loss", they went up on the rates for all the other dorms on campus.

a perfect opportunity to offer vacant rooms to all their walk-on athletes ... doing some good, make em look lived in and not costing the U any more than having those rooms vacant

please pardon the frowny face ... a little angst slipped out