I am still shocked that no one in the Penn. State deal asked who the kid was, how was he doing.... They were all worried about covering thier own rear.....
Sandusky waives hearing in surprise move
BELLEFONTE, Pa. - Former Pennsylvania State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky today waived his preliminary hearing on charges he sexually assaulted 10 boys over a 15-year-period.
The surprise move spared any of his alleged witnesses from testifying until the trial.
The highly anticipated hearing, which attracted news media from around the nation, lasted only about a minute.
BELLEFONTE, Pa. - Former Pennsylvania State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky today waived his preliminary hearing on charges he sexually assaulted 10 boys over a 15-year-period.
The surprise move spared any of his alleged witnesses from testifying until the trial.
The highly anticipated hearing, which attracted news media from around the nation, lasted only about a minute.
Now hearing a different story from Mcqueary that is closer to Joe Pa's...That he heard noises in the shower but didn't witness the act...
quote:Originally posted by njbb:
Now hearing a different story from Mcqueary that is closer to Joe Pa's...That he heard noises in the shower but didn't witness the act...
He told a friend something different than what he testified to at the grand jury. I hope he lied to his friend for his sake, as lying under oath is not good. (it's a felony right?) He told a whopper somewhere.
otoh, lying to his friend is covering his behind.
"Yes, I saw a kid being assaulted"
Gasp! "What did you do?"
"I called my daddy"
"Why didn't you call the police?"
vs
"I only heard noises"
"yuck .... what did you do?"
"I called my daddy"
"What did he tell you to do"
"to tell Joe"
"oh good, Joe will take care of everything"
But who knows? Either way, 11 people were willing to testify today against Sandusky.
imo, One of the many things this case tells us is what adults will justify/compartmentalize/value in exchange for... a job, status, promotions, etc....
Sanduskys Lawyer:
"Anyone who is naive enough to think for a minute that Tim Curley, Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz and, for that matter, Graham Spanier, the university president, were told by Mike McQueary that he observed Jerry Sandusky having **** *** with a 10-year-old-looking kid in a shower at Penn State or Penn State property and their response was to simply tell Jerry Sandusky that, 'Don't go in the shower room any more with kids.' I suggest you dial 1-800-REALITY. Because that makes absolutely no sense."
Turns out the number is to a g a y s e x phone service.
Not kidding.
"Anyone who is naive enough to think for a minute that Tim Curley, Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz and, for that matter, Graham Spanier, the university president, were told by Mike McQueary that he observed Jerry Sandusky having **** *** with a 10-year-old-looking kid in a shower at Penn State or Penn State property and their response was to simply tell Jerry Sandusky that, 'Don't go in the shower room any more with kids.' I suggest you dial 1-800-REALITY. Because that makes absolutely no sense."
Turns out the number is to a g a y s e x phone service.
Not kidding.
Here's the proper way to handle a serious problem on campus even though the team is ranked. The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night, arraigned on Monday, kicked off the team on Tuesday.
Star BU hockey player kicked off team after arrest
Star BU hockey player kicked off team after arrest
RJM,
I understand what you are saying, but it would not be correct to say "The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night...". He was arrested, but not convicted. Not defending him, but just want to give a young man the benefit of "considered innocent until proven guilty".
Julie
I understand what you are saying, but it would not be correct to say "The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night...". He was arrested, but not convicted. Not defending him, but just want to give a young man the benefit of "considered innocent until proven guilty".
Julie
If the following is what witnesses saw the coach isn't going to wait for a trial.quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
RJM,
I understand what you are saying, but it would not be correct to say "The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night...". He was arrested, but not convicted. Not defending him, but just want to give a young man the benefit of "considered innocent until proven guilty".
Julie
"Prosecutors say that late Sunday, after the woman asked a group including Trivino to be quiet, he forced his way into her dorm room, tried to kiss her and repeatedly groped her. Prosecutors said campus police reported Trivino appeared drunk shortly afterward."
Since you're in Minnesota you may follow college hockey. Jack Parker is to college hockey what Joe Paterno wanted people to believe he was to college football. Parker knows the hockey program is the face of the university. He tolerates no nonsense. He won't dishonor the school for the sake of winning. I'll bet he had the kid in his office and questioned him in a manner that determined whether he should stand behind him. I'll bet he had witnesses that were hockey players. I'll bet he interviewed the dorm security staff.
MN-MOM, Now that it's a day later there's more.
A second-round draft choice (36th overall) of the New York Islanders in 2008, Trivino had already run afoul of the rules at BU. He was suspended by Parker for “multiple games at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season.”
“Corey got in trouble with me because of alcohol-related issues. I told him one more incident and that he’d be off the team,” Parker said. “When I got the (telephone) call for the latest alcohol-related issue, he was already in jail. I didn’t have to wait to dismiss him from the team. Now, he’s got bigger issues with the state of Massachusetts.
“He had alcohol-related problems in the past and I tried to get him help, and he didn’t think it was a problem. Well, he proved me right.”
full story
A second-round draft choice (36th overall) of the New York Islanders in 2008, Trivino had already run afoul of the rules at BU. He was suspended by Parker for “multiple games at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season.”
“Corey got in trouble with me because of alcohol-related issues. I told him one more incident and that he’d be off the team,” Parker said. “When I got the (telephone) call for the latest alcohol-related issue, he was already in jail. I didn’t have to wait to dismiss him from the team. Now, he’s got bigger issues with the state of Massachusetts.
“He had alcohol-related problems in the past and I tried to get him help, and he didn’t think it was a problem. Well, he proved me right.”
full story
It just keeps getting better. Sandusky was teaching kids how to shower.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbc...que-defense/related/
http://collegefootballtalk.nbc...que-defense/related/
So which situation was handled the right way RJM....situation 1: the room break in thing, situation 2: the recent trouble with alcohol thing, or Situation 3+: the past trouble with alcohol things? The way it was originally portrayed was a hardline first violation handled swiftly thing. That's not exactly what it now appears to be.
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
RJM,
I understand what you are saying, but it would not be correct to say "The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night...". He was arrested, but not convicted. Not defending him, but just want to give a young man the benefit of "considered innocent until proven guilty".
Julie
MN Mom, with all respect, "innocent until proven guilty" is a benefit according in a court of law. Coaches are better off not requiring "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" as in jury trial.
All you barristers out there feel free to correct me.
quote:Originally posted by Texas1836:quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
RJM,
I understand what you are saying, but it would not be correct to say "The top scorer committed a crime on Sunday night...". He was arrested, but not convicted. Not defending him, but just want to give a young man the benefit of "considered innocent until proven guilty".
Julie
MN Mom, with all respect, "innocent until proven guilty" is a benefit according in a court of law. Coaches are better off not requiring "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" as in jury trial.
All you barristers out there feel free to correct me.
She's not saying the coach doesn't have the prerogative to dismiss a player. She's saying (correctly) that it is improper to state that the player committed a crime (as of now.)
Even coaches have to be careful about the manner in which they dismiss players. They have more latitude than in most other professions but this is still a very litigious society we live in.
quote:She's not saying the coach doesn't have the prerogative to dismiss a player. She's saying (correctly) that it is improper to state that the player committed a crime (as of now.)
Thanks Matt, that is correct. I was not arguing with the coach's handling of the situation, but stating that "it would not be correct to say 'The top scorer committed a crime'"... because we don't know that for sure at this point.
But I do agree that those in charge of the college environment should take a tough stance against those who would harm other students on campus... even other students.
Julie