Showcase numbers to shoot for?

Right handed?

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Brensdad posted:

Right handed?

Sorry, yep R/R.

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right 

It's the being seen, or getting in front of schools that is the issue... HOPEFULLY something will come through allowing him to play this summer in some high quality tournaments.  Other than that he is narrowing down his school list and looking at prospect camp dates.  We know the showcases are probably the least effective element of the recruiting process, but because of the injury it does have more importance in my son's situation.

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Sorry, completely disagree here. For the time I have been watching this site the mantra has always been “don’t showcase until you have something to show.” Now, suddenly you are saying “it doesn’t matter, just go.”

If your last measurables are 2 years old and you are just going to see where you are, don’t waste your money. Get a stopwatch and time his 60 - have an idea where he is. Borrow a radar gun and clock his FB - have an idea. If he is a position player (non-1B) then he needs to be reasonable close to 7.0 in the sixty to get interest. If he is pitching and is a 2020, he should be 83-4+ whether he is RHP or LHP. If he is at the lower end of the range, he will likely garner more D3 attention than D1/2.

dont go into it blind at this point, it could be a waste of money. And if he isn’t popping good numbers, no school will turn their heads to look at him.

1. Target 90 for OF Velo (although plenty of OF have less Velo but may have 6.6 speed with good routes to the ball)
2. Target 6.8 for the 60 time
3. Become a hitting machine: a strong bat will find itself in the lineup 

2022OFDad posted:

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Sorry, completely disagree here. For the time I have been watching this site the mantra has always been “don’t showcase until you have something to show.” Now, suddenly you are saying “it doesn’t matter, just go.”

If your last measurables are 2 years old and you are just going to see where you are, don’t waste your money. Get a stopwatch and time his 60 - have an idea where he is. Borrow a radar gun and clock his FB - have an idea. If he is a position player (non-1B) then he needs to be reasonable close to 7.0 in the sixty to get interest. If he is pitching and is a 2020, he should be 83-4+ whether he is RHP or LHP. If he is at the lower end of the range, he will likely garner more D3 attention than D1/2.

dont go into it blind at this point, it could be a waste of money. And if he isn’t popping good numbers, no school will turn their heads to look at him.

We're not just going--we are targeting a showcase that is about 10 months out still and simply looking for measurables to shoot for, given the fact that my son will not getting the exposure he had hoped for on the field.  Trust me, before the showcase we will have a very good idea where he stands...

Hey Dalex, I'm going to make a suggestion that partially answers your question.  I would put the primary concern  and focus on making sure that his rehab is producing results that allow for proper mechanics and arm slot with his throwing motion.  In my observations, that has been the key difference maker.  Those who rush back tend to have an arm action that looks cautious or dropped or otherwise shows signs of previous injury.  Those guys tend to never make it back to the point they can get attention and perform at the next level.  Those that can work back to a normal throwing motion can then build back the arm strength to something close to it's healthy potential.  

Sometimes failure to do so is just the result of the injury - all the rehab in the world won't allow for return of full mobility.  Sometimes it is a result of rushing to get back and developing a bad work-around mechanic in the process. 

Once the mechanic is solid again, then the focus can shift to building toward number goals.  But those attainable number goals will be different for everyone.  You can use his numbers that you listed from two years ago and figure out what a normal two-year improvement pattern would likely be.  But also keep in mind, his goal should be to maximize HIS potential, not shoot for a target level based on D1, D2, etc.  If he is able to show reasonable improvement on those numbers and he is otherwise a player, he will likely have options.  

Also keep in mind, though, that OF's get that last look in the recruiting process and it can be a tough sell even if fully healthy and a solid player with decent measurables.  His projectable size will help but the strength of the bat against quality pitching will be key.  He still has plenty of time to work on and show that.  He has a good plan - have a good junior HS year and that should help open some doors for summer... and a good summer should help open the other doors.

2022 this past fall had measurables of 89 OF Velo, 87 exit, and 6.78/60.  

I'd be shooting for better than that with kid 2 years older.  Also waiting until Fall of Sr. year to try to get on a radar, seems really late.  

I'd kill it over HS this spring, and then hook up whenever/where ever you need to go to get in front of coaches that are on HIS radar.

Good luck

You don’t set goals, reach them and settle. You want to keep improving. My son was naturally fast with a good arm. He said he wanted to run like Carl Crawford and throw like Vlad Guerrero. He knew it was unlikely either would happen. But he ended up as fast as he could run and throwing as hard as he could throw. 

russinfortworth posted:

2022 this past fall had measurables of 89 OF Velo, 87 exit, and 6.78/60.  

I'd be shooting for better than that with kid 2 years older.  Also waiting until Fall of Sr. year to try to get on a radar, seems really late.  

I'd kill it over HS this spring, and then hook up whenever/where ever you need to go to get in front of coaches that are on HIS radar.

 

Good luck

Yeah, losing almost two years to labrum injury and surgery SUCKS!!! Sounds like your 2022 has some real P5 numbers there--congrats!  My son will be happy to play D3 at this point...

russinfortworth posted:

2022 this past fall had measurables of 89 OF Velo, 87 exit, and 6.78/60.  

I'd be shooting for better than that with kid 2 years older.  Also waiting until Fall of Sr. year to try to get on a radar, seems really late.  

I'd kill it over HS this spring, and then hook up whenever/where ever you need to go to get in front of coaches that are on HIS radar.

 

Good luck

Those are great numbers, but saying you have to have better numbers than that because you are 2 years ahead is ridiculous. Those numbers get 2019s I know D1/2 offers.

your 2022 could be “old “ for 2022 class and this 2020 could be young. 

If you have a ipad or iphone 6 or newer you can buy Blast vision for 10 bucks. It will provide ev, launch angle off the tee. It will give you the metrics to see if ot is worth attending a showcase 

2022NYC posted:

If you have a ipad or iphone 6 or newer you can buy Blast vision for 10 bucks. It will provide ev, launch angle off the tee. It will give you the metrics to see if ot is worth attending a showcase 

Please attend at least 1 show case for the players confidence. 

Now that showcases are the rage, why wouldn’t you want a young player to get a taste.

If you only feed into the metrics, you could be leaving valuable intangibles off of the radar.

Some of our boys are ‘ Johnny Hussle’ types and some have good baseball heads.

Don’t dumb ‘em down without giving them the experience.

Baseball is a great game , not an empirical formula 

BaseballBUDDY posted:

2022NYC posted:

If you have a ipad or iphone 6 or newer you can buy Blast vision for 10 bucks. It will provide ev, launch angle off the tee. It will give you the metrics to see if ot is worth attending a showcase 

Please attend at least 1 show case for the players confidence. 

Now that showcases are the rage, why wouldn’t you want a young player to get a taste.

If you only feed into the metrics, you could be leaving valuable intangibles off of the radar.

Some of our boys are ‘ Johnny Hussle’ types and some have good baseball heads.

Don’t dumb ‘em down without giving them the experience.

Baseball is a great game , not an empirical formula 

 

 

Showcases are all about the empirical formulas, Buddy. That’s is the purpose of the original post. He’s not a “young” player by most standards, he’s a 2020, and is wondering what numbers he needs to put up to make it worth their time and $.

I think a 90ev 88of 86inf and sub 7.0 are solid numbers that should be more than enough to play at any level.

2022OFDad posted:

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Sorry, completely disagree here. For the time I have been watching this site the mantra has always been “don’t showcase until you have something to show.” Now, suddenly you are saying “it doesn’t matter, just go.”

If your last measurables are 2 years old and you are just going to see where you are, don’t waste your money. Get a stopwatch and time his 60 - have an idea where he is. Borrow a radar gun and clock his FB - have an idea. If he is a position player (non-1B) then he needs to be reasonable close to 7.0 in the sixty to get interest. If he is pitching and is a 2020, he should be 83-4+ whether he is RHP or LHP. If he is at the lower end of the range, he will likely garner more D3 attention than D1/2.

dont go into it blind at this point, it could be a waste of money. And if he isn’t popping good numbers, no school will turn their heads to look at him.

Honestly, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never mentioned the word showcase, nor did I tell him to go anywhere. The post mentioned D3 schools, I said target some D3 schools he would be interested in. That is how recruiting works.

Even if his numbers aren't where he would like them to be, it will be Oct of his senior year, they have nothing to lose. If it isn't happening by then it most likely isn't happening at all

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

In regards to the PG showcase grades.....does a players position and power ratio factor into the grade?  In other words if a strong middle infielder posts the same exit velo as a larger power hitting first baseman.........does anyone know if PG factors this into the grade?   Or is the grade mainly based on the numbers regardless of the size and built of the player?   Thanks for the info.  

4arms posted:

In regards to the PG showcase grades.....does a players position and power ratio factor into the grade?  In other words if a strong middle infielder posts the same exit velo as a larger power hitting first baseman.........does anyone know if PG factors this into the grade?   Or is the grade mainly based on the numbers regardless of the size and built of the player?   Thanks for the info.  

Rabbit hole

When posters ask about showcase ratings I wonder if they’re trying to figure out how to beat the system. The object of showcasing is to match player talent with college program needs. Regardless of a PG score a college coach either sees what he likes or he doesn’t. 

It’s not so much as trying to beat the system as it is to gain knowledge of these events as someone who hasn’t attended one and plans to in the very near future.  Looking at many of the PG grades from previous events and reading several threads it’s been established that the grading system seems to be very subjective depending on the individual assessor.   I guess I’m trying to get a better understanding on how much tangibles weigh vs just stats.  A 6’1, 200 pound player should have a higher exit velo then a kid 5’8 and 135 pounds.  

In most cases up the middle players are more highly recruited and offered more money than corner mashers. Up the middle players may develop in corner mashers. Corner mashers don’t turn into up the middle players. In college typically first baseman are not recruited. 1B and DH are where talented players from other positions start until their position opens up. 

A friend’s son became an All American shortstop, a first round pick and a MLBer. He played 1B freshman year. The all P5 conference shortstop returned for his senior year blocking him from his recruited position. 

TXdad2019 posted:

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

Hi TXDad, really appreciate the success story given a similar situation.  It's a nerve-racking even without rehabbing an injury.  

DALEX posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

Hi TXDad, really appreciate the success story given a similar situation.  It's a nerve-racking even without rehabbing an injury.  

Numbers don't get a kid recruited.  Being a good baseball player gets a kid recruited. Coaches know the difference.  Chasing numbers is a waste of time and money.  The emphasis should always be on getting better as a player - through practice & training.  That's how you get there.  Not by  posting a magic number at a showcase.

adbono posted:

DALEX posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

Hi TXDad, really appreciate the success story given a similar situation.  It's a nerve-racking even without rehabbing an injury.  

Numbers don't get a kid recruited.  Being a good baseball player gets a kid recruited. Coaches know the difference.  Chasing numbers is a waste of time and money.  The emphasis should always be on getting better as a player - through practice & training.  That's how you get there.  Not by  posting a magic number at a showcase.

I never said numbers get a kid recruited, and I never said Chase numbers. I did say for a  reasonable price, I brought my son to one, I repeat one PBR event to get third  party numbers. We targeted colleges based on those numbers. If a kid is mid 80's on IF velo and exit velo, why would you even look D1? It was tool we used to help find what level of play, that's all. When he worked out for different colleges, all of them clocked with a radar gun my son's exit velo and his arm strength. If you never get a number, then when asked by the coach what your velo is, I guess you say " I don't know, some guy on baseball website said I just needed to be good, the hell with any numbers". Come on man

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

DALEX posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

Hi TXDad, really appreciate the success story given a similar situation.  It's a nerve-racking even without rehabbing an injury.  

Numbers don't get a kid recruited.  Being a good baseball player gets a kid recruited. Coaches know the difference.  Chasing numbers is a waste of time and money.  The emphasis should always be on getting better as a player - through practice & training.  That's how you get there.  Not by  posting a magic number at a showcase.

I never said numbers get a kid recruited, and I never said Chase numbers. I did say for a  reasonable price, I brought my son to one, I repeat one PBR event to get third  party numbers. We targeted colleges based on those numbers. If a kid is mid 80's on IF velo and exit velo, why would you even look D1? It was tool we used to help find what level of play, that's all. When he worked out for different colleges, all of them clocked with a radar gun my son's exit velo and his arm strength. If you never get a number, then when asked by the coach what your velo is, I guess you say " I don't know, some guy on baseball website said I just needed to be good, the hell with any numbers". Come on man

My comments were not directed at you specifically.  It just seemed like a good place to fit them in. Having said that, there are a lot of people on this board that IMO seem overly concerned about posting numbers. Not saying you shouldn't know what they are.  Not saying you shouldn't go to an appropriate showcase or two.  Just saying that there are more important things - like being able to play baseball.

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

DALEX posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

My son was injured Junior season and summer. He rehabbed and worked his butt off. Went and got some numbers with PBR, got a Field Level account. Although his numbers aren't as high as we would've liked, coming off of a year of injuries, the numbers weren't horrible. He hit the weight room, and is on a nutritional program to gain weight. He was contacted in this Fall by 12 schools, mainly NAIA and D3. He just signed with a top 10 NAIA school. Don't worry he has time and every situation is different. Good luck

Hi TXDad, really appreciate the success story given a similar situation.  It's a nerve-racking even without rehabbing an injury.  

Numbers don't get a kid recruited.  Being a good baseball player gets a kid recruited. Coaches know the difference.  Chasing numbers is a waste of time and money.  The emphasis should always be on getting better as a player - through practice & training.  That's how you get there.  Not by  posting a magic number at a showcase.

I never said numbers get a kid recruited, and I never said Chase numbers. I did say for a  reasonable price, I brought my son to one, I repeat one PBR event to get third  party numbers. We targeted colleges based on those numbers. If a kid is mid 80's on IF velo and exit velo, why would you even look D1? It was tool we used to help find what level of play, that's all. When he worked out for different colleges, all of them clocked with a radar gun my son's exit velo and his arm strength. If you never get a number, then when asked by the coach what your velo is, I guess you say " I don't know, some guy on baseball website said I just needed to be good, the hell with any numbers". Come on man

My comments were not directed at you specifically.  It just seemed like a good place to fit them in. Having said that, there are a lot of people on this board that IMO seem overly concerned about posting numbers. Not saying you shouldn't know what they are.  Not saying you shouldn't go to an appropriate showcase or two.  Just saying that there are more important things - like being able to play baseball.

Well, being able to play baseball is definitely the no brainier answer here. I just think there are thousands of different ways for a kid to get recruited and also get an offer. There's not just one cookie cutter way. At the end of the day, yes you have to be able to play baseball.

I can see each persons point.  I guess my thought process is that if I am a school and two players express interest from the same class.  I may be more inclined to look at the player who posted a high grade at say a PG showcase “first” since they were evaluated to see what the hype is.  Versus the player who hasn’t been evaluated yet.  So well i agree that the talent is what is most important.....it seems like a good grade followed my a “top prospect list” status helps get a foot in the door.   

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

4arms posted:

I can see each persons point.  I guess my thought process is that if I am a school and two players express interest from the same class.  I may be more inclined to look at the player who posted a high grade at say a PG showcase “first” since they were evaluated to see what the hype is.  Versus the player who hasn’t been evaluated yet.  So well i agree that the talent is what is most important.....it seems like a good grade followed my a “top prospect list” status helps get a foot in the door.

I evaluate kids constantly.  I don't care what their PG rating is or when they got it, as it has nothing to do with formulating my opinion.  I have a lot of discussions with guys in my baseball network about players. Not one of those conversations ever includes what a player's PG rating is.  I care about who demonstrates the most baseball skills and so does every other coach I know.  

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

4arms posted:

I can see each persons point.  I guess my thought process is that if I am a school and two players express interest from the same class.  I may be more inclined to look at the player who posted a high grade at say a PG showcase “first” since they were evaluated to see what the hype is.  Versus the player who hasn’t been evaluated yet.  So well i agree that the talent is what is most important.....it seems like a good grade followed my a “top prospect list” status helps get a foot in the door.   

There are a number of players who are offered P5 commits without ever playing in a PG/PBR showcase. If the kid has the chops, and is playing for a well connected/respected coach, that coach is gonna call his college coach buddies to tell them to take a look at the kid pretty early on. I personally know 2 players who are playing D1 ball, one a second year starting SS, one a first year OF, who never played a PG event. I take that back, the SS played Jupiter only after an MLB team told him they wanted to see him there. He did get drafted but decided to go to college instead. Started 95% of the games and played very well. His draft stock will rise with the extra years of playing P5 ball. 

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

Dude, that was my point, was the high PG doesn't mean you're gonna be recruited. Settle down

Ive said for now the third time, numbers help you evaluate the level you need to look at. Once on campus for a workout or if they look at video, they want to see some numbers. I've explained this above I thought. This is my experience, but you seem to think everyone else is wrong. Strange how that works.

Here we go

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

Dude, that was my point, was the high PG doesn't mean you're gonna be recruited. Settle down

Ive said for now the third time, numbers help you evaluate the level you need to look at. Once on campus for a workout or if they look at video, they want to see some numbers. I've explained this above I thought. This is my experience, but you seem to think everyone else is wrong. Strange how that works.

Wow! Okay man, whatever you say. You obviously know much more about this than I do. 

DALEX......Without too much info to go on I will say this....the time for a 2020 to be making connections with RC/HC and getting seen is NOW!   At this point I would say any showcase is a good showcase....if for no other reason than to get some "verifiable" numbers.  Once you have those, you'll have a much better idea on where your sons stands.  You're in Indiana.  You should be able to find a fairly inexpensive showcase....check out Prep Baseball Report.  They have several in January.  There are also several in Ohio if you don't mind a little drive.  They aren't ridiculously expensive and their winter showcases do tend to have pretty good turnouts...but again, getting some measurables at this point is the bigger issue.   Once you have those, you'll have a much better idea on what types of schools your son should be targeting.      With regard to part time play on a travel team next summer....that's tough as a position player.  They typically have plenty of guys who can handle that.  PO's is a little easier.  You can usually find a team in need of pitching.     Whatever you decide....your son needs to get started now....waiting until after his spring HS season will put him further behind than he already is.  

adbono posted:

4arms posted:

I can see each persons point.  I guess my thought process is that if I am a school and two players express interest from the same class.  I may be more inclined to look at the player who posted a high grade at say a PG showcase “first” since they were evaluated to see what the hype is.  Versus the player who hasn’t been evaluated yet.  So well i agree that the talent is what is most important.....it seems like a good grade followed my a “top prospect list” status helps get a foot in the door.

I evaluate kids constantly.  I don't care what their PG rating is or when they got it, as it has nothing to do with formulating my opinion.  I have a lot of discussions with guys in my baseball network about players. Not one of those conversations ever includes what a player's PG rating is.  I care about who demonstrates the most baseball skills and so does every other coach I know.  

This is perfect....I don't know of any kid that's gotten any type of contact based on a PG rating.  I also have never heard of a coach who asked a kid about it.  You can send video/emails/etc to get the conversation with an RC or a HC started....but the coach will want to see the kid in person....and get his own measurables if he has serious interest in a kid.   Don't get me wrong...if a kid is throwing 95 and PG verified it, yes, then there is going to be some serious interest....even before the coach sees the kid in person (or has someone else see the kid for him).....but I don't get the feeling based on the OP's story that his son is that kind of kid.   It's funny how these threads just always seem to go down a completely different path than the OP asked for help about lol.   Maybe everyone is just tired of cold....I don't know, but it has seemed awfully grumpy around here the past month or so.   Happy Holidays everyone....spring isn't that far away

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

Dude, that was my point, was the high PG doesn't mean you're gonna be recruited. Settle down

Ive said for now the third time, numbers help you evaluate the level you need to look at. Once on campus for a workout or if they look at video, they want to see some numbers. I've explained this above I thought. This is my experience, but you seem to think everyone else is wrong. Strange how that works.

Wow! Okay man, whatever you say. You obviously know much more about this than I do. 

I didn't say that's the only thing they look at. I'll leave this subject alone because I see where it's heading. 

One question before I leave. It's hypothetical, but if you seen a HS kid pumping 96 on video or PBR, PG, what would you think?