Sleaze factor off the charts, agents allege
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I am an agent based out of Puerto Rico. The truth about the agent business is that it is dirty, no one doubts that. However some of us believe that being ethical and putting your players' interest above your own leads to greater success because players are more inclined to stick with you, and others want to join you.
Having said that, i hope parents realize that an agent is necessary in this day and age, where the professional sports world is bogged down in so much regulation. However, make sure you do your homework and ask the right questions.
If anyone needs any help on how to select an agent, feel free to email me. Best wishes to all.
FM
Having said that, i hope parents realize that an agent is necessary in this day and age, where the professional sports world is bogged down in so much regulation. However, make sure you do your homework and ask the right questions.
If anyone needs any help on how to select an agent, feel free to email me. Best wishes to all.
FM
fm...Welcome.
I look forward to your insights as the process unfolds looking towards the June draft.
I look forward to your insights as the process unfolds looking towards the June draft.
fm, Welcome to this forum. It would be great having someone in your job contibuting to this site.
"Everybody kind of perceives me as being angry. It's not anger, it's motivation." Roger Clemens
"Everybody kind of perceives me as being angry. It's not anger, it's motivation." Roger Clemens
As I said, I'm not your conventional agent. I'm more than willing to help anyone out, within my field of expertise.
I hope to hear from many of you soon, and am grateful for the positive response.
FM
I hope to hear from many of you soon, and am grateful for the positive response.
FM
When does a player know that he needs an agent?
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if you are any good and projected to be drafted in the top 10 rounds, agents will be calling you all the time
MI6 is right. Agents are usually best suited for those players in the upper rounds, I'd say 1-12. However, some players who slip for other reasons (i.e. college commitment, other sport) should think of hiring an agent if the bonus offering is acceptable, or close to acceptable.
The reason an agent is necessary only for these types of players is because they generally are the only group that is offered substantial bonus dollars. Hence an agent can maximize the amount.
Once signed, however, I recommend ALL players retain an agent. Such a service is indespensable in this day and age when a player can be released at any moment. The agent's ability to furnish the player with all his equipment (bats, gloves, etc.), and his efforts in finding the athlete a job when he is let go, is worth being represented.
An agent who can provide additional services, as I try to do, is worth his weight in gold.
I hope I've been of help.
FM
The reason an agent is necessary only for these types of players is because they generally are the only group that is offered substantial bonus dollars. Hence an agent can maximize the amount.
Once signed, however, I recommend ALL players retain an agent. Such a service is indespensable in this day and age when a player can be released at any moment. The agent's ability to furnish the player with all his equipment (bats, gloves, etc.), and his efforts in finding the athlete a job when he is let go, is worth being represented.
An agent who can provide additional services, as I try to do, is worth his weight in gold.
I hope I've been of help.
FM
Thanks FM,
What is the percentage that an agent will make?
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What is the percentage that an agent will make?
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How do you guess what round you may go in? say Baseball America has you ranked 100. rather than guess you are a 4th rounder should you double the ranking to figure in college and jr college players.....so you MAY.... be looking at the 7th round???
Chicks,
Agents fees can vary, but usually around 4% of the signing bonus and 10% of any "endorsement money" that may become available.
NJBB,
Rankings by BA is not an exact science, but they do the best job they can with the information they receive. I would not even try to guess where a player might be drafted based on the class ranking. Too many variables. As an example, my son's "ranking" continually went down from his sophomore year primarily because he didn't participate for various reasons in the many showcases around the country.(Did participate in Area Code) If a player is not seen, it's tough to "rank" a player. In his Jr. year, I was told he was "ranked" in the 250's. He ended up being drafted in the 3rd round in 2003.
The draft is its own mysterious process. Most scouts will tell you that they find the "rankings" from various organizations great starting points, but they make their own rankings and organizational decisions based on their needs, etc. Good luck to you.
Agents fees can vary, but usually around 4% of the signing bonus and 10% of any "endorsement money" that may become available.
NJBB,
Rankings by BA is not an exact science, but they do the best job they can with the information they receive. I would not even try to guess where a player might be drafted based on the class ranking. Too many variables. As an example, my son's "ranking" continually went down from his sophomore year primarily because he didn't participate for various reasons in the many showcases around the country.(Did participate in Area Code) If a player is not seen, it's tough to "rank" a player. In his Jr. year, I was told he was "ranked" in the 250's. He ended up being drafted in the 3rd round in 2003.
The draft is its own mysterious process. Most scouts will tell you that they find the "rankings" from various organizations great starting points, but they make their own rankings and organizational decisions based on their needs, etc. Good luck to you.
NVR1 has obviously been through the whole draft experience.
When you ask what percentage the agent will make, I'm guessing you're referring to the signing bonus. It is always between 3-5%.
What I do, is charge my percentage from the bonus I NEGOTIATE. What this means is that if a scout comes to me with an initial offer, and the player whished to accept, I did no work, so I don't take a percentage. However, as I'm sure you all know, an initial offering is usually just a feeler, and can be increased through efficient negotiations.
As far as predicting where a player will go, you really don't know. What you tend to do is guess who will eb in the first ten rounds, no matter the placing. Once you have such a feel, the individual round is not THAT important.
Generally, agents know when a player has a lot of buzz around him, and when another is mostly viewed as a draft and follow. While rankings are an immense help, you really go by your gut.
FM
When you ask what percentage the agent will make, I'm guessing you're referring to the signing bonus. It is always between 3-5%.
What I do, is charge my percentage from the bonus I NEGOTIATE. What this means is that if a scout comes to me with an initial offer, and the player whished to accept, I did no work, so I don't take a percentage. However, as I'm sure you all know, an initial offering is usually just a feeler, and can be increased through efficient negotiations.
As far as predicting where a player will go, you really don't know. What you tend to do is guess who will eb in the first ten rounds, no matter the placing. Once you have such a feel, the individual round is not THAT important.
Generally, agents know when a player has a lot of buzz around him, and when another is mostly viewed as a draft and follow. While rankings are an immense help, you really go by your gut.
FM
fmarq - Any tips / warnings on what to look for in picking an Advisor. They all seem to come from the same charm school when you meet them and they are seeking your approval.
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Crafty One,
Picking an agent/advisor can be one of the most important decisions in a players career. If chosen correctly, the agent could spearhead the player's career for its duration, which is much better than having to switch agents.
A couple of things I tell everyone:
1.)Don't choose an agent based on his client list. While it is important that an agent have experience, don't be impressed if he represents everyone from A-Rod to Joe Mauer. The fact is that the more players an agent has of an advanced level, the less time he'll have for you or your son.
I know, because my client list doesn't include any big leaguers, yet I give better service than 99% of the agents out their. (Humility aside).
2.) Make sure the agent specify ALL the services he guarantees he can provide. Then, make sure those services are aimed at developing your son, not just keeping him happy. For example, an agent willing to provide personal training is much better than one who is constantly sending the athlete bats and gloves.
3.) An agent who is a lawyer or law student is much better than someone who is not. The legal complexities involved in today's game are evident in any negotiation, thus someone who knows the ropes is much more effective.
4.) If the agent sends a representative and does not visit himself, he's not worth hiring. If an agent doesn't consider your son or any player important enough to visit him personally, you can be sure he won't even pass by a minor league stadium.
This are just a few factors I consider important. Just my opinion. Hope I've been of help.
FM
Picking an agent/advisor can be one of the most important decisions in a players career. If chosen correctly, the agent could spearhead the player's career for its duration, which is much better than having to switch agents.
A couple of things I tell everyone:
1.)Don't choose an agent based on his client list. While it is important that an agent have experience, don't be impressed if he represents everyone from A-Rod to Joe Mauer. The fact is that the more players an agent has of an advanced level, the less time he'll have for you or your son.
I know, because my client list doesn't include any big leaguers, yet I give better service than 99% of the agents out their. (Humility aside).
2.) Make sure the agent specify ALL the services he guarantees he can provide. Then, make sure those services are aimed at developing your son, not just keeping him happy. For example, an agent willing to provide personal training is much better than one who is constantly sending the athlete bats and gloves.
3.) An agent who is a lawyer or law student is much better than someone who is not. The legal complexities involved in today's game are evident in any negotiation, thus someone who knows the ropes is much more effective.
4.) If the agent sends a representative and does not visit himself, he's not worth hiring. If an agent doesn't consider your son or any player important enough to visit him personally, you can be sure he won't even pass by a minor league stadium.
This are just a few factors I consider important. Just my opinion. Hope I've been of help.
FM
When you pick and agent, are you stuck with him?
Can you fire him without penalty?
thanks
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB!
Can you fire him without penalty?
thanks
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB!
Technically speaking, no, you can't just fire an agent. Most contracts require "just cause" in order for the agreement to be cancelled. What is just cause? That's for a court or arbitrator to decide.
Notwithstanding the above, the reality of it is you can fire an agent whenever you like with a mere letter. I've never heard of an agent going after a player for letting him go alleging lack of cause. To do so would probably look bad in the eyes of most other athletes, so agents don't go that route.
FM
Notwithstanding the above, the reality of it is you can fire an agent whenever you like with a mere letter. I've never heard of an agent going after a player for letting him go alleging lack of cause. To do so would probably look bad in the eyes of most other athletes, so agents don't go that route.
FM
Posted by NVR1
NVR,
Excellent explanation, a very accurate assessment. Players are ranked by an organization that does not have any draft picks. It's a big benifit to be ranked, but where a player is ranked is not so important. In fact, there are several unranked players drafted every year.
If your son is who I think he is... He was ranked much higher than 250 his senior year. One of his biggest boosters was Rob Bruno (NorCal). Turned out Rob knew what he was talking about! "BBScout" (Doug) wasn't surprised either.
Best of luck to your son.
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Rankings by BA is not an exact science, but they do the best job they can with the information they receive. I would not even try to guess where a player might be drafted based on the class ranking. Too many variables. As an example, my son's "ranking" continually went down from his sophomore year primarily because he didn't participate for various reasons in the many showcases around the country.(Did participate in Area Code) If a player is not seen, it's tough to "rank" a player. In his Jr. year, I was told he was "ranked" in the 250's. He ended up being drafted in the 3rd round in 2003.
The draft is its own mysterious process. Most scouts will tell you that they find the "rankings" from various organizations great starting points, but they make their own rankings and organizational decisions based on their needs, etc. Good luck to you.
NVR,
Excellent explanation, a very accurate assessment. Players are ranked by an organization that does not have any draft picks. It's a big benifit to be ranked, but where a player is ranked is not so important. In fact, there are several unranked players drafted every year.
If your son is who I think he is... He was ranked much higher than 250 his senior year. One of his biggest boosters was Rob Bruno (NorCal). Turned out Rob knew what he was talking about! "BBScout" (Doug) wasn't surprised either.
Best of luck to your son.
PG, Having been through the pr****ss, It still leaves me wondering how some organizations do the rankings. It is my opinion that you guys do about the best at being accurate. Some can be insulting and some can be what I call fluff.
"Everybody kind of perceives me as being angry. It's not anger, it's motivation." Roger Clemens
"Everybody kind of perceives me as being angry. It's not anger, it's motivation." Roger Clemens
Agents use rankings, not to predict in what round a player will be selected, but rather which players are highly regarded. These are the players that are most certain to be selected in the upper rounds.
FM
FM
...is it very common for a hs senior who is 89-90 to move up and onto the draft scenarios/charts per se...during his spring season at school...
especially if he's not really known and just coming into his skills...
just curious...
especially if he's not really known and just coming into his skills...
just curious...
Sark,
Thank you
At the risk of sounding a bit cocky, we would have to agree with you.
That said, we still miss some and I suppose we've been a little too high on some. The most important thing is that we don't play politics. When someone sees our player rankings. they are seeing what we really think. (right or wrong)
Best of luck to your son.
Thank you
At the risk of sounding a bit cocky, we would have to agree with you.
That said, we still miss some and I suppose we've been a little too high on some. The most important thing is that we don't play politics. When someone sees our player rankings. they are seeing what we really think. (right or wrong)
Best of luck to your son.
PG - All I can say is that I had the pleasure of seeing many of the 04's (and some top 05's) you have ranked in the top-100 this past summer and you guys really do a nice job. There's no doubt some are missed, but it would be impossible to get them all.
Funny how I was reading an article about college basketball recruiting in the newspaper this morning. It talked about the new restricted evaluation periods and how coaches are relying more on independent scouts and organizations that sound a lot like yours and I couldn't help but think about you guys. They talked about "credibility" and our experience would certainly reflect very positively on PG in that regard.
I would highly recommend to anyone with aspirations beyond high school that they get to a PG event if they can. Class act in every way. Still a family-owned business and I hope you and your sons stick with it for years to come.
Funny how I was reading an article about college basketball recruiting in the newspaper this morning. It talked about the new restricted evaluation periods and how coaches are relying more on independent scouts and organizations that sound a lot like yours and I couldn't help but think about you guys. They talked about "credibility" and our experience would certainly reflect very positively on PG in that regard.
I would highly recommend to anyone with aspirations beyond high school that they get to a PG event if they can. Class act in every way. Still a family-owned business and I hope you and your sons stick with it for years to come.
" The agent's ability to furnish the player with all his equipment (bats, gloves, etc"
APPARENTLY YOU ARE NOT CERTIFIED BY THE MLBPA? IF SO YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ACCORDING TO SECTION 3 PARAGRAPH B(2)OF THE "REGULATIONS GOVERNING PLOAYER AGENTS" YOU CAN BE DE-CERTIFIED FOR "PROVIDING OR CAUSING TO BE PROVIDED MONEY OR ANY OTHER THING OF VALUE TO ANY PLAYER"? SO "to furnish the player with all his equipment (bats, gloves, etc" IS IMPROPER.
APPARENTLY YOU ARE NOT CERTIFIED BY THE MLBPA? IF SO YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ACCORDING TO SECTION 3 PARAGRAPH B(2)OF THE "REGULATIONS GOVERNING PLOAYER AGENTS" YOU CAN BE DE-CERTIFIED FOR "PROVIDING OR CAUSING TO BE PROVIDED MONEY OR ANY OTHER THING OF VALUE TO ANY PLAYER"? SO "to furnish the player with all his equipment (bats, gloves, etc" IS IMPROPER.
3.) An agent who is a lawyer or law student is much better than someone who is not. The legal complexities involved in today's game are evident in any negotiation, thus someone who knows the ropes is much more effective.
THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG! WHAT LEGAL COMPLEXITIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? EVERY CONTRACT IS A STANDARD FORM THE ONLY DIFFERENCES ARE THE PARAGRAPH 2 SALARY & THE SPECIAL COVENANTS & GETTING BETTER TE4RMS IN THOSE AREAS ARE NOT TAUGHT IN ANY LAW SCHOOL THEY ARE LEARNED THROUGH EXPERIENCE ONLY WHICH APPARENTLY YOU DON'T HAVE NOT REPRESENTING ANY MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ADVICE, IT'S USUALLY A GOOD IDEA TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT & OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO CLUE.
THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG! WHAT LEGAL COMPLEXITIES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? EVERY CONTRACT IS A STANDARD FORM THE ONLY DIFFERENCES ARE THE PARAGRAPH 2 SALARY & THE SPECIAL COVENANTS & GETTING BETTER TE4RMS IN THOSE AREAS ARE NOT TAUGHT IN ANY LAW SCHOOL THEY ARE LEARNED THROUGH EXPERIENCE ONLY WHICH APPARENTLY YOU DON'T HAVE NOT REPRESENTING ANY MAJOR LEAGUE PLAYERS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ADVICE, IT'S USUALLY A GOOD IDEA TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT & OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO CLUE.
fmarq7901
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posted January 01, 2004 12:50 AM
Technically speaking, no, you can't just fire an agent. Most contracts require "just cause" in order for the agreement to be cancelled. What is just cause? That's for a court or arbitrator to decide.
WRONG AGAIN. AN AGENT CAN BE FIRED AT ANY TIME FOR CAUSE OR NO CAUSE. THE GOVERNING DOCUMENT IS NOT THE CONTRACT A PLAYER SIGNS WITH THE AGENT BUT THE "EXHIBIT C AGENT DESIGNATION FORM" FROM THE MLBPA. A PLAYER CAN SIGN WITH SEVERAL AGENTS & WHOEVER HAS THE MOST RECENTLY SIGNED "DESIGNATION FORM" IS RECOGNIZED AS HIS AGENT. THAT'S WHY LUIS CASTILLO HAD 3 AGENTS @ 1 TIME DURING THE WORLD SERIES BUT THE LEVINSON BROTHERS WERE DESIGNATED AS HIS AGENTS.
GET A CLUE!
Member
posted January 01, 2004 12:50 AM
Technically speaking, no, you can't just fire an agent. Most contracts require "just cause" in order for the agreement to be cancelled. What is just cause? That's for a court or arbitrator to decide.
WRONG AGAIN. AN AGENT CAN BE FIRED AT ANY TIME FOR CAUSE OR NO CAUSE. THE GOVERNING DOCUMENT IS NOT THE CONTRACT A PLAYER SIGNS WITH THE AGENT BUT THE "EXHIBIT C AGENT DESIGNATION FORM" FROM THE MLBPA. A PLAYER CAN SIGN WITH SEVERAL AGENTS & WHOEVER HAS THE MOST RECENTLY SIGNED "DESIGNATION FORM" IS RECOGNIZED AS HIS AGENT. THAT'S WHY LUIS CASTILLO HAD 3 AGENTS @ 1 TIME DURING THE WORLD SERIES BUT THE LEVINSON BROTHERS WERE DESIGNATED AS HIS AGENTS.
GET A CLUE!
voodoochile,
I resent your baseless acussations, and will respond to them one-by-one so the people on this board know who needs to "get a clue."
1.) Equipment:
While you are right that Section 3, paragraph (B)2 stricly forbids giving any player anything of value, it is only if it is to "induce or encourage such player to utilize or maintain the Player Agent's services." In other words, once a player has signed with an agent, he may give the player such items (for example equipment). That language is cited verbatim from the regulations, so go check it out.
In fact, one of the main functions of any agent is getting his player the required equipment. If you knew anything about the business you wouldn't of even questioned it.
2.) Lawyer or Law Student
Again, you begin with a correct notion, yet you alter it to ridiculous proportions. When negotiating special covenants, legal knowhow is essential. For example, say I represent the number one pick in the draft, and I negotiate a signing bonus AND for the player to be given a major league contract. That contract will be suscribed pursuant to the State Tax laws of the parent club. Hence, I would need to know the state's applicable tax law to assure that the contract's worth isn't less than what I think I'm getting. That's just one example. If you think contract negotiations are legally simple just because they are "standard", you need to go talk to a local lawyer.
3.) Fire an agent.
This post was absurd. All the agent designation form does is inform all parties (Union and clubs) who is authorized to negotiate on that player's behalf. However, the contact is a legally binding instrument, which cannot be left ineffect capriciously. In fact, if you study the Union's guidelines you would realize that even the Union recognizes the contracts importance, for which they provide binding arbitration, ANOTHER LEGAL PROCESS for which a lawyer would be better suited.
I have many other reasons as to why your attacks were completely off-base. If any member would like me to expand, I will. I just hope you admit you were wrong as to all three posts, with the possible exception of the "lawyer/law student", because that is just my opinion.
I could go on, but I won't out of respect for the other board members. I think I've made my point utterly clear, and made you look like the arrogant know-nothing that you are.
FM
I resent your baseless acussations, and will respond to them one-by-one so the people on this board know who needs to "get a clue."
1.) Equipment:
While you are right that Section 3, paragraph (B)2 stricly forbids giving any player anything of value, it is only if it is to "induce or encourage such player to utilize or maintain the Player Agent's services." In other words, once a player has signed with an agent, he may give the player such items (for example equipment). That language is cited verbatim from the regulations, so go check it out.
In fact, one of the main functions of any agent is getting his player the required equipment. If you knew anything about the business you wouldn't of even questioned it.
2.) Lawyer or Law Student
Again, you begin with a correct notion, yet you alter it to ridiculous proportions. When negotiating special covenants, legal knowhow is essential. For example, say I represent the number one pick in the draft, and I negotiate a signing bonus AND for the player to be given a major league contract. That contract will be suscribed pursuant to the State Tax laws of the parent club. Hence, I would need to know the state's applicable tax law to assure that the contract's worth isn't less than what I think I'm getting. That's just one example. If you think contract negotiations are legally simple just because they are "standard", you need to go talk to a local lawyer.
3.) Fire an agent.
This post was absurd. All the agent designation form does is inform all parties (Union and clubs) who is authorized to negotiate on that player's behalf. However, the contact is a legally binding instrument, which cannot be left ineffect capriciously. In fact, if you study the Union's guidelines you would realize that even the Union recognizes the contracts importance, for which they provide binding arbitration, ANOTHER LEGAL PROCESS for which a lawyer would be better suited.
I have many other reasons as to why your attacks were completely off-base. If any member would like me to expand, I will. I just hope you admit you were wrong as to all three posts, with the possible exception of the "lawyer/law student", because that is just my opinion.
I could go on, but I won't out of respect for the other board members. I think I've made my point utterly clear, and made you look like the arrogant know-nothing that you are.
FM
1.) Equipment:
"In fact, one of the main functions of any agent is getting his player the required equipment."
WRONG!THE MAIN FUNCTION OF AN AGENT IS TO GET HIS CLIENT BETTER DEALS. THIS IS TRUE WITH BOTH THE TEAM THEY PLAY FOR & EQUIPMENT CONTRACTS WITH GOOD COMPANIES. BUYING EQUPMENT FOR PLAYERS DOESN'T ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP FOR THE PLAYER WITH THE COMPANY. ALL IT DOES IS GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR WITH BECAUSE HAVING NO EXPERIENCE THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO OFFER.
"it is only if it is to "induce or encourage such player to utilize or maintain the Player Agent's services."
I'M SURE YOU NEVER SAY A WORD ABOUT GETTING PLAYERS GEAR UNTIL AFTER THEY'VE SIGNED WITH YOU. PIMPING KIDS WITH A PAIR OF SHOES ISN'T IN ANYONE'S BEST INTERESTS.
2.) Lawyer or Law Student
WRONG AGAIN "For example, say I represent the number one pick in the draft
(NOT LIKELY ANYTIME SOON),
and I negotiate a signing bonus AND for the player to be given a major league contract."
1ST OF ALL YOU'RE NOT CERTIFIED SO YOU WON'T BE NEGOTIATING ANY MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACTS.
SECOND OF ALL "That contract will be suscribed pursuant to the State Tax laws of the parent club."
ANY IDIOT WITH A PHONE CAN CALL H&R BLOCK TO FIND OUT THE TAX RATE IN ANY STATE IN THE UNION. HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TAX LAW. IF YOU'D EVER DONE A DEAL LIKE THAT YOU'D KNOW THAT A LAW DEGREE IN THAT SITAUTION IS AS NECESSARY AS WINGS ON A BICYCLE.
3.) Fire an agent.
WRONG I'VE LITIGATED THIS BEFORE THE MLBPA & THE ONLY ISSUES WERE WHEN THE DESIGNATION FORM WAS SIGNED & IF ANY NEGOTIATIONS HAD OCCURED AFTER THAT DATE & BEFORE THE DESIGNATION WAS TERMINATED. IF YOU HAVE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE MLBPA & ARE FIRED YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A FEE BASED ON HOW MUCH WORK YOU HAVE DONE UP TO THE POINT YOU WERE FIRED AS FAR AS THE MLBPA IS CONCERNED.
"In fact, one of the main functions of any agent is getting his player the required equipment."
WRONG!THE MAIN FUNCTION OF AN AGENT IS TO GET HIS CLIENT BETTER DEALS. THIS IS TRUE WITH BOTH THE TEAM THEY PLAY FOR & EQUIPMENT CONTRACTS WITH GOOD COMPANIES. BUYING EQUPMENT FOR PLAYERS DOESN'T ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP FOR THE PLAYER WITH THE COMPANY. ALL IT DOES IS GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR WITH BECAUSE HAVING NO EXPERIENCE THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO OFFER.
"it is only if it is to "induce or encourage such player to utilize or maintain the Player Agent's services."
I'M SURE YOU NEVER SAY A WORD ABOUT GETTING PLAYERS GEAR UNTIL AFTER THEY'VE SIGNED WITH YOU. PIMPING KIDS WITH A PAIR OF SHOES ISN'T IN ANYONE'S BEST INTERESTS.
2.) Lawyer or Law Student
WRONG AGAIN "For example, say I represent the number one pick in the draft
(NOT LIKELY ANYTIME SOON),
and I negotiate a signing bonus AND for the player to be given a major league contract."
1ST OF ALL YOU'RE NOT CERTIFIED SO YOU WON'T BE NEGOTIATING ANY MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACTS.
SECOND OF ALL "That contract will be suscribed pursuant to the State Tax laws of the parent club."
ANY IDIOT WITH A PHONE CAN CALL H&R BLOCK TO FIND OUT THE TAX RATE IN ANY STATE IN THE UNION. HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TAX LAW. IF YOU'D EVER DONE A DEAL LIKE THAT YOU'D KNOW THAT A LAW DEGREE IN THAT SITAUTION IS AS NECESSARY AS WINGS ON A BICYCLE.
3.) Fire an agent.
WRONG I'VE LITIGATED THIS BEFORE THE MLBPA & THE ONLY ISSUES WERE WHEN THE DESIGNATION FORM WAS SIGNED & IF ANY NEGOTIATIONS HAD OCCURED AFTER THAT DATE & BEFORE THE DESIGNATION WAS TERMINATED. IF YOU HAVE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE MLBPA & ARE FIRED YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A FEE BASED ON HOW MUCH WORK YOU HAVE DONE UP TO THE POINT YOU WERE FIRED AS FAR AS THE MLBPA IS CONCERNED.
fmarq - thanks for the tips. I appreciate your contributions on this board.
a good read on agents
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812236823/102-8881371-1112938?v=glance
plus any agent with a brain is not gonna go by a just a list and will go to where all the prospects at the major high school showcases and tournaments.
Just remember anyone can call themselves an agent even well know agents have throughly screwup draft picks. can you say Matt Harrington
4 drafts and 2 agents, still not signed
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812236823/102-8881371-1112938?v=glance
plus any agent with a brain is not gonna go by a just a list and will go to where all the prospects at the major high school showcases and tournaments.
Just remember anyone can call themselves an agent even well know agents have throughly screwup draft picks. can you say Matt Harrington
4 drafts and 2 agents, still not signed
voodoochile, Using all capital letters is considered rude on a message board. With the slotting of the money with draft choices the last couple of years, the value of an agent is going to be tested in the next few years for the amateur player. The value of an agent for a minor leaguer is minimal at best. The value of an agent starts when arbitration is approaching for the young major leaguer. If you don't supply the minor leaguer with equipment, you will be his ex-agent, as he will move on to a guy who does supply him with equipment. Equipment contracts are few and far between unless you are a very high profile player, in which case the companies will seek you out anyway.
As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved. If it was $430,000, then why should an agent get his 4% of that? Why give a guy $17,200 for something that you can get yourself?
As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved. If it was $430,000, then why should an agent get his 4% of that? Why give a guy $17,200 for something that you can get yourself?
I ask that members bear with me. I have to defend myself against these baseless accusations. I hope everyone understands.
voodoochile,
You are maliciously throwing accusation at me without any knowledge of how I conduct my business. Your attacks are baseless and ignorant. You have no idea who I represent or have represented in the past.
You claim to know so much, yet I demonstrated how your allegation as to decertification for providing equipment to clients was clearly wrong.
In addition, you insist on viewing a contractual relationship exclusively through the Union's perspective. However, you ignore all aspects of contract law.
First off, a contract can only be one year long if it is a player under the Collective Bargainning agreement. Hence, minor leaguers can and do sign longer term contracts.
Secondly, as I mentioned, a contract is a legally binding instrument. As such, if its covenants are unilaterally violated, litigation may occur. Now, this issue has NOTHING to do with the Union. The player just designates a new agent, that is unless arbitration is sought through the Union offices.
For example, say I'm in the six month of my one year contract with a player on a 40 man roster (which I've had many), and I'm fired without Just cuase, a contactual covenant. While the Union regulations regulate my dealings from their perspective, I am not estopped from initiating an action in State court for breach of contract. In fact, in the case you allege to have litigated before the Union, you could have gone to local court and requested damages, a seperate concession to those listed.
I have NEVER given any kid equipment to retain my services. I always watch out for all the pertinent NCAA and JUCO regulations, and have NEVER overstood my boundaries. In fact, I'm known by everyone I deal with as the only ethical agent around. That's the whole purpose of me posting on this board, to try and help the members out with whatever insight I've gathered. You obviosuly have taken it upon yourself to attempt to discredit me, demonstrating complete ill will, which I'm sure fellow board members can tell.
The fact is that, when talking about minor league kids who have already signed, past the original negotiating phase, one of the agent's main functions IS to provide equipment. Getting a minor leaguer a contract with a company is sometimes a viable option, and I've done so for numerous players. However, for many reasons I sometimes don't go that route.
For example, if I can get all my players contracts with Louisville Slugger, but they prefer SamBat,and SAM doesn't contract with minor leaguers. Well, I'll forgo the L.S. contract in order to supply them with the equipment they fee comfortable with. Moreover, some companies just aren't interested in some minor leaguers, so obtaining a contract for THEM is, on occassions, not practicable, or the minor leaguer might just plainly not want a contract, as I've had happen in the past.
The lawyer/law student suggestion is merely my opinion. However, you oversimplify the legal ramifications of a player's career immensely. I'm sure the other lawyers on the board can attest to the complexities that occurr in even the simplest contract negotiations. Moreover, your ignorance is only allowing you to view the importance of legal knowhow in the setting of contractual negotiations. The advice an agent/attorney can give in many matters is much more complete and concise due to knowledge of State and Federal regulations that my afffect a player's livelihood.
The purpose of my posting on the board was to help people out. What voodoochile has done is draw out an argument that will leave board members with a continued sour attitude about agents. I hope I've shown all members how voodoo's accusations were off-base.
I'm sure you all can tell that when a person begings throwing accusuations of luring kids and the like, without even knowing who you are, they ignorant, arrogant, and not someone you want to deal with.
Please post if you have any comments, and, again, I apologize for the posts, but I need to defend myself.
voodoochile,
You are maliciously throwing accusation at me without any knowledge of how I conduct my business. Your attacks are baseless and ignorant. You have no idea who I represent or have represented in the past.
You claim to know so much, yet I demonstrated how your allegation as to decertification for providing equipment to clients was clearly wrong.
In addition, you insist on viewing a contractual relationship exclusively through the Union's perspective. However, you ignore all aspects of contract law.
First off, a contract can only be one year long if it is a player under the Collective Bargainning agreement. Hence, minor leaguers can and do sign longer term contracts.
Secondly, as I mentioned, a contract is a legally binding instrument. As such, if its covenants are unilaterally violated, litigation may occur. Now, this issue has NOTHING to do with the Union. The player just designates a new agent, that is unless arbitration is sought through the Union offices.
For example, say I'm in the six month of my one year contract with a player on a 40 man roster (which I've had many), and I'm fired without Just cuase, a contactual covenant. While the Union regulations regulate my dealings from their perspective, I am not estopped from initiating an action in State court for breach of contract. In fact, in the case you allege to have litigated before the Union, you could have gone to local court and requested damages, a seperate concession to those listed.
I have NEVER given any kid equipment to retain my services. I always watch out for all the pertinent NCAA and JUCO regulations, and have NEVER overstood my boundaries. In fact, I'm known by everyone I deal with as the only ethical agent around. That's the whole purpose of me posting on this board, to try and help the members out with whatever insight I've gathered. You obviosuly have taken it upon yourself to attempt to discredit me, demonstrating complete ill will, which I'm sure fellow board members can tell.
The fact is that, when talking about minor league kids who have already signed, past the original negotiating phase, one of the agent's main functions IS to provide equipment. Getting a minor leaguer a contract with a company is sometimes a viable option, and I've done so for numerous players. However, for many reasons I sometimes don't go that route.
For example, if I can get all my players contracts with Louisville Slugger, but they prefer SamBat,and SAM doesn't contract with minor leaguers. Well, I'll forgo the L.S. contract in order to supply them with the equipment they fee comfortable with. Moreover, some companies just aren't interested in some minor leaguers, so obtaining a contract for THEM is, on occassions, not practicable, or the minor leaguer might just plainly not want a contract, as I've had happen in the past.
The lawyer/law student suggestion is merely my opinion. However, you oversimplify the legal ramifications of a player's career immensely. I'm sure the other lawyers on the board can attest to the complexities that occurr in even the simplest contract negotiations. Moreover, your ignorance is only allowing you to view the importance of legal knowhow in the setting of contractual negotiations. The advice an agent/attorney can give in many matters is much more complete and concise due to knowledge of State and Federal regulations that my afffect a player's livelihood.
The purpose of my posting on the board was to help people out. What voodoochile has done is draw out an argument that will leave board members with a continued sour attitude about agents. I hope I've shown all members how voodoo's accusations were off-base.
I'm sure you all can tell that when a person begings throwing accusuations of luring kids and the like, without even knowing who you are, they ignorant, arrogant, and not someone you want to deal with.
Please post if you have any comments, and, again, I apologize for the posts, but I need to defend myself.
pops,
The truth is, slot money is soemthing highly controversial because the Commissioner's office and team's are essentially placing a salary cap on drafted players. I personally know that the Union is continually studying th issue in order to possibly file some sort of grievance.
Although I think you are right that for some players an agent is not necessary in the draft, the fcat is that scouts will attempt to fool all parents into thinking that slot money is all they can give, when, in fact, they may go higher. That is where the agent would come in.
Again, that is only my view, but I understand your comments, particularly if your son is a college level player. At that level, thir is little to no wiggle room, and an agent would probably be unnecessary.
FM
The truth is, slot money is soemthing highly controversial because the Commissioner's office and team's are essentially placing a salary cap on drafted players. I personally know that the Union is continually studying th issue in order to possibly file some sort of grievance.
Although I think you are right that for some players an agent is not necessary in the draft, the fcat is that scouts will attempt to fool all parents into thinking that slot money is all they can give, when, in fact, they may go higher. That is where the agent would come in.
Again, that is only my view, but I understand your comments, particularly if your son is a college level player. At that level, thir is little to no wiggle room, and an agent would probably be unnecessary.
FM
" With the slotting of the money with draft choices the last couple of years, the value of an agent is going to be tested in the next few years for the amateur player."
Often times an Agents job involves not just how much but how & with whom a player signs. Positioning a player to be drafted by the team that best suits him i.e. a pitcher being drafted by a team with a good pitching development track record and/or negotiating a player's contract in a manner that enhances his relationship with the team.
It's tough to be objective when you're speaking for yourself or on behalf of your Son. For example, former Marlin & White Sox pitcher Alex Fernandez was drafted by the Brewers out of HS but didn't sign with them due to the emotional tone of the conversations with the team.
"The value of an agent for a minor leaguer is minimal at best."
I completely disagree. Most players know very little about issues such as "protection" years, options on their contracts etc. Having someone to advise you who has been through the process before is always an advantage. This is true in all walks of life not just Baseball.
"The value of an agent starts when arbitration is approaching for the young major leaguer."
Because their team controls their salary until they are eligible for arbitration, one of an Agents most important jobs is to make their clients aware of the effect this has on their salaries. Many players have gotten into disputes wiht their teams because of the inexperience of their Agent. The most recent example of this is AJ Burnett & the Marlins. After contributing at the Major League level, he got into a fight with the team because of what & how they pursued their rights regarding player salaries for non-arbitration players. It has poisoned the relationship ever since.
"If you don't supply the minor leaguer with equipment, you will be his ex-agent, as he will move on to a guy who does supply him with equipment. Equipment contracts are few and far between unless you are a very high profile player, in which case the companies will seek you out anyway."
There are many companies that are willing to work with Minor Leaguers. for example for every year All-Star gives a player gear in the Minors, the player agrees to stay with All-Star for a like number of years in the Majors. It isn't necessary to buy gear. It's just the pimp mentality taking the easy way out.
"As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved."
If it was really that easy, then everyone would also be smart, rich & beautiful.
Often times an Agents job involves not just how much but how & with whom a player signs. Positioning a player to be drafted by the team that best suits him i.e. a pitcher being drafted by a team with a good pitching development track record and/or negotiating a player's contract in a manner that enhances his relationship with the team.
It's tough to be objective when you're speaking for yourself or on behalf of your Son. For example, former Marlin & White Sox pitcher Alex Fernandez was drafted by the Brewers out of HS but didn't sign with them due to the emotional tone of the conversations with the team.
"The value of an agent for a minor leaguer is minimal at best."
I completely disagree. Most players know very little about issues such as "protection" years, options on their contracts etc. Having someone to advise you who has been through the process before is always an advantage. This is true in all walks of life not just Baseball.
"The value of an agent starts when arbitration is approaching for the young major leaguer."
Because their team controls their salary until they are eligible for arbitration, one of an Agents most important jobs is to make their clients aware of the effect this has on their salaries. Many players have gotten into disputes wiht their teams because of the inexperience of their Agent. The most recent example of this is AJ Burnett & the Marlins. After contributing at the Major League level, he got into a fight with the team because of what & how they pursued their rights regarding player salaries for non-arbitration players. It has poisoned the relationship ever since.
"If you don't supply the minor leaguer with equipment, you will be his ex-agent, as he will move on to a guy who does supply him with equipment. Equipment contracts are few and far between unless you are a very high profile player, in which case the companies will seek you out anyway."
There are many companies that are willing to work with Minor Leaguers. for example for every year All-Star gives a player gear in the Minors, the player agrees to stay with All-Star for a like number of years in the Majors. It isn't necessary to buy gear. It's just the pimp mentality taking the easy way out.
"As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved."
If it was really that easy, then everyone would also be smart, rich & beautiful.
"You claim to know so much, yet I demonstrated how your allegation as to decertification for providing equipment to clients was clearly wrong."
I never said supplying equipment would get you decertified. I said it was improper & it is. The only reason no Agent has been decertified for it is because no one has pressed the issue. In fact, no Agent has EVER be decertified by the MLBPA.
"Secondly, as I mentioned, a contract is a legally binding instrument. As such, if its covenants are unilaterally violated, litigation may occur."
Not true if you want to maintain certification by the MLBPA. Rod Allen, Barry Bonds 1st agent wanted to sue him but because of the regulations had to give up his certification in order to do it.
MLBPA "Regulations Governing Player Agents" Sec.5 Introduction
In establishing this new system for regulating Player Agents it is the intention of the MLBPA that the impartial arbitration process shall be the exclusiveexclusive method for resolving any and all disputes between Players and Player Agents that arise out of agreements or contracts between them."
"For example, say I'm in the six month of my one year contract with a player on a 40 man roster (which I've had many)"
So you're certified by the MLBPA? If so, go ahead & sue somebody. Maybe you can be the first decertified Agent in history.
"I have NEVER given any kid equipment to retain my services."
No I'm sure you give them equipment just because you're a nice guy. How about kids that you don't represent? Will you give them equipment too?
You have a monopoly on ethics? Is that what it says on your business cards? Give me a break. Sure there are many scum buckets in the business, but if you're "known by everyone I deal with as the only ethical agent around." they don't know many agents. Not that you don't have ethics, but you certainly aren't the only one.
"You obviosuly have taken it upon yourself to attempt to discredit me, demonstrating complete ill will, which I'm sure fellow board members can tell."
I couldn't care less about you on a personal or professional level. I'm just trying to help people sift through all the BS from "wannabe" agents that post on boards such as these.
I never said supplying equipment would get you decertified. I said it was improper & it is. The only reason no Agent has been decertified for it is because no one has pressed the issue. In fact, no Agent has EVER be decertified by the MLBPA.
"Secondly, as I mentioned, a contract is a legally binding instrument. As such, if its covenants are unilaterally violated, litigation may occur."
Not true if you want to maintain certification by the MLBPA. Rod Allen, Barry Bonds 1st agent wanted to sue him but because of the regulations had to give up his certification in order to do it.
MLBPA "Regulations Governing Player Agents" Sec.5 Introduction
In establishing this new system for regulating Player Agents it is the intention of the MLBPA that the impartial arbitration process shall be the exclusiveexclusive method for resolving any and all disputes between Players and Player Agents that arise out of agreements or contracts between them."
"For example, say I'm in the six month of my one year contract with a player on a 40 man roster (which I've had many)"
So you're certified by the MLBPA? If so, go ahead & sue somebody. Maybe you can be the first decertified Agent in history.
"I have NEVER given any kid equipment to retain my services."
No I'm sure you give them equipment just because you're a nice guy. How about kids that you don't represent? Will you give them equipment too?
You have a monopoly on ethics? Is that what it says on your business cards? Give me a break. Sure there are many scum buckets in the business, but if you're "known by everyone I deal with as the only ethical agent around." they don't know many agents. Not that you don't have ethics, but you certainly aren't the only one.
"You obviosuly have taken it upon yourself to attempt to discredit me, demonstrating complete ill will, which I'm sure fellow board members can tell."
I couldn't care less about you on a personal or professional level. I'm just trying to help people sift through all the BS from "wannabe" agents that post on boards such as these.
Voodoo, Sit back and put yourself in a parents position. Read the voodoo posts and then tell your wife that you would like to have this guy represent your son. You may end up paying the kids bonus money to a divorce lawyer. 
Guys, again, sorry for the post, but you have to admit its entertaining.
Glad to see you stopped using caps voodoo,and even more happy that this argument seems to be dwindling.
Listen, when I said I was known as the only ethical agent around, I was referrig to comments I receive from the parents, players, and coaches I deal with. In no way was I implying that I have a "monopoly on ethics." In fact, I know a few other agents who bend over backwards for their players, all withing the applicable constraints.
However, your allegations were directly aimed at discrediting me with the board members. In no way were my posts BS , because they all are valid. You may disagree, and I respect your right to do so, but none of my comments have been negligent or erroneous.
In addition, my example of a suit was just that, an example of how varying legal venues may interact. In fact, if you have a legal background, I'm sure you are aware that the exclusivity provision is directly challengeable in court. Moreover, as with all of the MLBPA Regulations, its scope is limited to players "while the Player was in the collective bargaining unit." Again, that is cited language from the Regulations. Is that BS?
Consequently, a minor leaguer, who are not encompassed withing the MLBPA regulations, like most kids whose parents frequent this board, is not bound by the exclusivity section. Hence, a negligent firing could cause the player to go through some unwanted bickering and possible litigation. My advice was directed at helping parents avoid such troubles. Is that BS?
I fail to see how providing minor league kids with their equipment is improper. So, once you sign a client, obtaining a deal with a manufacturer isn't obtaining his equipment?
What about the players who aren't offered contracts by manufacturers? Are those clients of yours left with the economic burden of purchasing their own gloves, bats, batting gloves, under armour, etc.?
While some manufacturers do work with minor leaguers, L.S. for example, many go mainly for the better known prospects. Maybe all your clients are superstars, top prospects, and 40-man members, but some of mine arent', and I refuse to let an A-ball kid who might not even earn $1,000 per month pay for his stuff. That's just not what I do. Is that BS?
Lastly, I reiterate that I have NEVER, nor will I ever, provided an amateur or professional player with equipment, in an attempt to lure them into retaining me.
Voodoo, what if I were to throw that accusation out to you, without knowing who you are, your clients, experience, hell not even your name! Wouldn't you think that isn't just a little bit negligent? I'd say that's BS, which is why I will not do it. Instead I just rather show board members how all your attacks have been wrong, although I know you won't admit it.
By the way, throwing accusations of professional misconduct, such as giving kids equipent in order to entice them to retain my services, without even knowing who I am, is ill will.
Best wishes to everyone on the board, including you voodoo.
FM
Glad to see you stopped using caps voodoo,and even more happy that this argument seems to be dwindling.
Listen, when I said I was known as the only ethical agent around, I was referrig to comments I receive from the parents, players, and coaches I deal with. In no way was I implying that I have a "monopoly on ethics." In fact, I know a few other agents who bend over backwards for their players, all withing the applicable constraints.
However, your allegations were directly aimed at discrediting me with the board members. In no way were my posts BS , because they all are valid. You may disagree, and I respect your right to do so, but none of my comments have been negligent or erroneous.
In addition, my example of a suit was just that, an example of how varying legal venues may interact. In fact, if you have a legal background, I'm sure you are aware that the exclusivity provision is directly challengeable in court. Moreover, as with all of the MLBPA Regulations, its scope is limited to players "while the Player was in the collective bargaining unit." Again, that is cited language from the Regulations. Is that BS?
Consequently, a minor leaguer, who are not encompassed withing the MLBPA regulations, like most kids whose parents frequent this board, is not bound by the exclusivity section. Hence, a negligent firing could cause the player to go through some unwanted bickering and possible litigation. My advice was directed at helping parents avoid such troubles. Is that BS?
I fail to see how providing minor league kids with their equipment is improper. So, once you sign a client, obtaining a deal with a manufacturer isn't obtaining his equipment?
What about the players who aren't offered contracts by manufacturers? Are those clients of yours left with the economic burden of purchasing their own gloves, bats, batting gloves, under armour, etc.?
While some manufacturers do work with minor leaguers, L.S. for example, many go mainly for the better known prospects. Maybe all your clients are superstars, top prospects, and 40-man members, but some of mine arent', and I refuse to let an A-ball kid who might not even earn $1,000 per month pay for his stuff. That's just not what I do. Is that BS?
Lastly, I reiterate that I have NEVER, nor will I ever, provided an amateur or professional player with equipment, in an attempt to lure them into retaining me.
Voodoo, what if I were to throw that accusation out to you, without knowing who you are, your clients, experience, hell not even your name! Wouldn't you think that isn't just a little bit negligent? I'd say that's BS, which is why I will not do it. Instead I just rather show board members how all your attacks have been wrong, although I know you won't admit it.
By the way, throwing accusations of professional misconduct, such as giving kids equipent in order to entice them to retain my services, without even knowing who I am, is ill will.
Best wishes to everyone on the board, including you voodoo.
FM
"As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved. If it was $430,000, then why should an agent get his 4% of that? Why give a guy $17,200 for something that you can get yourself?"
Got this quote from a friend in th biz. If a billionaire like John Henry thinks there's value there, nothing I can say would top that.
How the A-Rod negotiations ended with Red Sox shut out
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff, 12/31/2003
Hicks and Lucchino asked Henry, who had never negotiated with a player, to present the Sox' proposal to Rodriguez.
"I am a poor negotiator," Henry said. "I am not a dealmaker. Dealmaking in the world of high finance takes as much talent as playing baseball in the major leagues."
Got this quote from a friend in th biz. If a billionaire like John Henry thinks there's value there, nothing I can say would top that.
How the A-Rod negotiations ended with Red Sox shut out
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff, 12/31/2003
Hicks and Lucchino asked Henry, who had never negotiated with a player, to present the Sox' proposal to Rodriguez.
"I am a poor negotiator," Henry said. "I am not a dealmaker. Dealmaking in the world of high finance takes as much talent as playing baseball in the major leagues."
I find this a stimulating conversation and of particlar interest.
I do not know if you realize this, but a lot of people are reading this thread. Only 38 responses and 866 page views. Many parents out there are reading and listening, but do not want to get involved because they are not sure where ther son stands in the draft.
If I might give a coupe of observations. The discussion between voodoo and fmarq started out contentious, but has calmed down. What I find interesting is that negotiations can become contentious and it is interesting to watch 2 agents go back and forth and to see who is overly sensitive and who just keeps hammering points. Fascinating stuff to me.
One quote tht I remember from A-Rod. He was asked what to look for in an agent? He said, "I look at their arbitration record".
I have a question for Pops, Fmarq, and VooDoo. You may have addressed it in passing, I am curious as to your responses. If a hs player that you advise, only gets slot money, do you feel that they should pay you 5% and why?(I am not insinuating anything one way or the other, I just am interested in your views)
"I love the HSBBW"
I do not know if you realize this, but a lot of people are reading this thread. Only 38 responses and 866 page views. Many parents out there are reading and listening, but do not want to get involved because they are not sure where ther son stands in the draft.
If I might give a coupe of observations. The discussion between voodoo and fmarq started out contentious, but has calmed down. What I find interesting is that negotiations can become contentious and it is interesting to watch 2 agents go back and forth and to see who is overly sensitive and who just keeps hammering points. Fascinating stuff to me.
One quote tht I remember from A-Rod. He was asked what to look for in an agent? He said, "I look at their arbitration record".
I have a question for Pops, Fmarq, and VooDoo. You may have addressed it in passing, I am curious as to your responses. If a hs player that you advise, only gets slot money, do you feel that they should pay you 5% and why?(I am not insinuating anything one way or the other, I just am interested in your views)
"I love the HSBBW"
Pops, I love your posts.
If the guy before you goes for $420,000 and the guy after for$410,000 and you get $430,000, Did the agent do his job?
Quoted by Voodoochile(love the name)
The above statement sounds very much like things that interest me in looking for an advisor for my son. That sounds like experience to me!
"I love the HSBBW"
quote:
As far as the agents commission goes, if a player is a 3rd round pick, all they would have to do is check Baseball America to see what last years 3rd rounders recieved. If it was $430,000, then why should an agent get his 4% of that? Why give a guy $17,200 for something that you can get yourself?
If the guy before you goes for $420,000 and the guy after for$410,000 and you get $430,000, Did the agent do his job?
Quoted by Voodoochile(love the name)
quote:
Often times an Agents job involves not just how much but how & with whom a player signs. Positioning a player to be drafted by the team that best suits him i.e. a pitcher being drafted by a team with a good pitching development track record and/or negotiating a player's contract in a manner that enhances his relationship with the team.
It's tough to be objective when you're speaking for yourself or on behalf of your Son. For example, former Marlin & White Sox pitcher Alex Fernandez was drafted by the Brewers out of HS but didn't sign with them due to the emotional tone of the conversations with the team.
The above statement sounds very much like things that interest me in looking for an advisor for my son. That sounds like experience to me!
"I love the HSBBW"
