It didn't take me 50 years to go down.
There are mechanics that put more stress on the arm. Some lead to more velocity, some don't. For example, the ASMI studies have shown that getting the forearm vertical early not only tends to reduce velocity, but it also increase the loads on the shoulder and elbow. Doesn't one of the no experience whatsoever gurus push getting the forearm vertical early?
The problem is that the studies are based on large groups and while they provide useful guidelines in general they can't always be applied to each individual. For example both Papelbon and Oswalt get their forearms vertical early and it doesn't seem to have hurt their velocity.
I just heard that a preliminary MRI on Strasburg showed a concern so they will do contrast on teh UCL.
I cannot beleive, with the amount he signed for, that a contrast MRI were not done on his shoulder, elbow before he signed.
So my question is, what has happened that is different from when he signed last year, until now that may have occured?
Prime9, you bring up a good point, however, how many pitchers and players made it as far as they did without the use of steroids or other drugs to help them stay in the game? How many did they inject with cortizone/lidocaine (more than necessary) to get through the game? I don't know, do you?
I cannot beleive, with the amount he signed for, that a contrast MRI were not done on his shoulder, elbow before he signed.
So my question is, what has happened that is different from when he signed last year, until now that may have occured?
Prime9, you bring up a good point, however, how many pitchers and players made it as far as they did without the use of steroids or other drugs to help them stay in the game? How many did they inject with cortizone/lidocaine (more than necessary) to get through the game? I don't know, do you?
When I look at clips of some of the old timers and I mean OLD timers my impression is that they just didn't throw all that hard by today's standards. I'm going back even further than Bob Feller who did throw hard for a long time but also had some breaks in his career. When you get to more modern old timers such Koufax and Drysdale you know that many of the pitchers in their day were constantly fighting pain and using/misusing cortisone and other forms of medication to stay on the mound.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
It didn't take me 50 years to go down.
There are mechanics that put more stress on the arm. Some lead to more velocity, some don't. For example, the ASMI studies have shown that getting the forearm vertical early not only tends to reduce velocity, but it also increase the loads on the shoulder and elbow. Doesn't one of the no experience whatsoever gurus push getting the forearm vertical early?
The problem is that the studies are based on large groups and while they provide useful guidelines in general they can't always be applied to each individual. For example both Papelbon and Oswalt get their forearms vertical early and it doesn't seem to have hurt their velocity.
I would be interested in that ASMI study if you have a link. I can't seem to find it.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I just heard that a preliminary MRI on Strasburg showed a concern so they will do contrast on teh UCL.
I cannot beleive, with the amount he signed for, that a contrast MRI were not done on his shoulder, elbow before he signed.
So my question is, what has happened that is different from when he signed last year, until now that may have occured?
Prime9, you bring up a good point, however, how many pitchers and players made it as far as they did without the use of steroids or other drugs to help them stay in the game? How many did they inject with cortizone/lidocaine (more than necessary) to get through the game? I don't know, do you?
It makes me also wonder a couple of other things- Are they potentially treating a fatigued arm correctly because of the money involved or are they just babying it because of the money involved, or both? Why did they rush him up to the bigs so quickly and put loads of pressure on him?
I misled you. It isn't an ASMI study but it references ASMI studies. I also interpreted it given what I know about Rick Peterson's P3 stuff he's done with ASMI.
neon.byu.edu/~seeleym/exsc365(seeley)/.../baseball_kinematics.pdf
I can't get this to work but if you google it you'll be able to find the article. I googled "baseball throwing mechanics as related to pathology".
Paragraphs 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 are specific to what I posted.
neon.byu.edu/~seeleym/exsc365(seeley)/.../baseball_kinematics.pdf
I can't get this to work but if you google it you'll be able to find the article. I googled "baseball throwing mechanics as related to pathology".
Paragraphs 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 are specific to what I posted.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
I misled you. It isn't an ASMI study but it references ASMI studies. I also interpreted it given what I know about Rick Peterson's P3 stuff he's done with ASMI.
neon.byu.edu/~seeleym/exsc365(seeley)/.../baseball_kinematics.pdf
I can't get this to work but if you google it you'll be able to find the article. I googled "baseball throwing mechanics as related to pathology".
Paragraphs 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 are specific to what I posted.
Thanks, I found it, now...if I could only decipher the technical language of it.......
Whole lots of different information including one study showing higher elbow loads in some directions from curve balls.
