Strength and Speed Training

Wow Impressive site.

Where's the delete key?

Another "concerned" poster whos main goal is getting a free plug. Can this be removed from this and any other forum he dumped it in?

Maybe they would be interested in BUYING some ad space on the HSBBW site.

RZ

I am with you

Sorry, but it looks like a FREE website. There is no fee to register. From what I saw they aren't asking for any money. Free information. Where's the harm? If anybody is going to do Olympic lifts, I would be interested in knowing the proper way to do it.

No worse than advertising Baseball America, At The Yard, showcase sites, etc...

JMO

Frank

My I am with you is for the hint to have them take ad space to help support the site

The funny thing is I am a concerned poster...concerned about a lot of the fallacies and myths in strength and speed training in baseball. I am sorry that was my first post and that it sounded like an infomercial. I'm looking forward to posting on here more often. I am a former assistant strength and conditioning for LSU baseball. This program that includes using the Olympic lifts you see on the site was used to win 5 national championships with the LSU, 2 with the University of Miami...and is used with other college athletic programs like USC, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, and Miss. State.

I have been reading a lot of your posts on strength training and using the Olympic lifts for baseball players. Trust me...in the hands of a good coach these lifts are unbelievable for a baseball player (they teach the body use its strength explosively and to develop speed in a short distance...much like a baseball swing). Unfortunately, under the supervision of some in-experienced coaches these lifts can be dangerous...but so can any type of training not done right. I was hoping that this site could help you all that do use the lifts learn more about them and how to incorporate them into your program

Jason,

I did not mean to question your motives and this is not a personal thing at all. At times this site is used as a free space to promote products, and that is wrong. Your business is a for profit service that is advertizing products, thus falls into that catagory. Where do you draw the line as far as what is allowed and what is not. The only way is to have a zero tolerance to anyone promoting anything.

I agree with the concept, however, pitching products on this site I feel is is a "cost effective" form of advertizing. I've read many of your previous posts and you seem like a "concerned poster" but then to have your name and title associated with the Hatch web site seems a bit promotional.

FrankF, the site is free to registar, but, they have a good size selection of product for sale. You register for the site and my guess is you get on a mailing list.

Yes there are products on this site...that we have on there for colleges and universities to view (we sell some equipment and weight rooms to them) not really anything that most people on here would want on this forum would want. Like I said before it was an attempt to let you know that there was a site that you could see the lifts done properly and soon we will have a lot of speed training and other sport specific training videos on there. The Olympic lifts have gotten such a bad rep from coaches who know that they are good for athletes but dont know how to use them properly (so they get their athletes injured using them). I've seen these lifts used in many baseball programs around the country very effectively (producing some of the greatest college baseball teams and hitters in decades) and it is my goal to help show coaches and athletes "safely" use these lifts the same way these teams have (and this is one of the biggest reasons we have done so much work on the video area of the site and don't charge for it...and no you won't be put on any mailing list).

I wasn't offended by your response...I should have done a better job in how I presented the site.

Jason,
The Full Performance Fitness products sure seem to be driven to the individual.

And then...

Then you have a section where you promte advertising on the Hatch Dome site. But I'm sure there are no costs to advertize on your site.

Sorry, Your ideas seem sincere but your delivery of products is strictly profit based. I would only hope that this post is deleted.

So you didn't learn anything from the site?

Couldn't get by the ads.

I see where you coming from. But if someone has a site that is teaching a better baseball swing and then within that site is selling protein mixes is that ok also?

I don't think that would fly on this site

If you can learn from the site do it...and the learning part is free...you dont have to buy anything if you dont want. Feel free to go on the site and promote this site if you want.

I don't have a problem with sites like that. Without another site letting me know that they exist, I might have never found this website.

You can check it out or not, continue to visit it or not. This is america and you have a choice.

I was wrong about what this site is for. I guess it is ok for promotional advertizing and as readers we can weed through that stuff. Bring 'em on.

The door is now open to the HSBBW infomercials. Whether your product is legit or not bring it here, no site is unwelcomed, this is America!

The Hatch site seems very legit. But, who has verified that it is the correct way of lifting? Any Tom, Dick, or Harry and put something together and say it is "the way", put references behind it, and then post it here for all to see, visit, and purchase products.

MNMOM,
Suggestion.
New forum for those who want to promote their products, services, and websites. No fee, no charge, just free bandwidth. Come one come all. This is America

quote:

Feel free to go on the site and promote this site if you want

Jason, What does this site sell for profit. Those who advertize here, pay for it.

the HSBBW way

Legit? and any Tom, Dick, or Harry? I think that 7 national titals in 11 years in college D1, not to mention LSU smashing the home run record while Kurt Hester, a long time student of Coach Gayle Hatch, was Skip Bertman's strength and speed coach. Coach Hatch, if you read any info on the site, has some pretty unbelievable coaching credentials (National Strength Coaches Hall of Fame, USA Weightlifting Hall of Fame...a total of 11 total hall of fame's... 2004 Head Coach USA Men's Weightlifting Coach at the Athens Olympic Games). So what I'm trying to say is that if you want to learn the Olympic lifts, and how to use them in your program, he is probably the guy you want to learn from.

And by the way...what little money we get if anyone does buy the vitamins off the site doesn't even come close to keeping a "free" site like that, with all the video content, up and running. Check out the site if you want or don't...but don't throw stones at me especially if everyone else here thinks it could be able to benifit them and their athletes. I'm sorry your upset but if it helps one kid not tear up his shoulder while doing a snatch improperly and with too much weight...I'm definitly glad I posted here...and will continue too!

Jason,
I liked your site and content, it is well done. My issue was not with you, you happened to be the example. If I would have seen the Hatch url with your signature on a regular post I would have gone there to check it out. Instead it was done in a promotional manner, on different forums, and as soon as I went there I saw "buy now" and I blew. I am sorry I used you as an example, but next it will be bats gloves, supplements, uniforms, cages, and whatever, most with training as a gimmick and sales as the driving force.

I don't know if you can qualify that all people agree with your stance on this site as there have been very few responses, except for me ragging.

I think that you would also agree that this type lifting is not something that you can pickup and and practice with online video clips, regardless of how well it's done. Kids need hands on coaching from people like yourself. I can envision a young reader of this site watching your videos, heading to the HS gym thinking he knows the Hatch method and really getting hurt.

I don't want to get into a piissing match here, and I am sorry if I was a bit brash. But over the years I have seen the promotions go through this site and at the same time others pay for space to promote thier products.

Hatch is not the issue, the door it opens for other product lines is.

I understand your position...Ive had people do this on my site before, but I am here to help and have worked with thousands, literally, of athletes helping them with using these lifts in their program and I am here to help if I can...so if you all have any questions fire away...if I dont have the answere I'll find someone who does.

And I do think the videos will help kids prevent injuries...because they see how they are really suppost to be executed. And if they use them, they can also see how right or wrong they are performing them (or how their own coach is teaching them). We do have gyms where we train athletes, I run one in Mobile AL., but unfortunately there are too few coaches out there, and good gyms, around the country where kids can go and learn how to do the lifts safely. And thats how these lifts get a bad name, but in the hands of a good coach they are the fastest and safest way to get strong, fast, and explosive.

Jason Poeth
Assistant Strength Coach
Gayle Hatch Weightlifting

I for one, really appreciated the site. That is one of the reasons that I hang out here, to learn. I immediately sent the link to my college son who has been lifting 5 times a week in order to get bigger/stronger/better as a baseball player.

If he is going to lift, I want him to do it with correct form to minimize the chance of injury. I thought the videos were great.

Thank You...I appreciate the support! We have a lot more video coming on the assistant exercises of the lifts, auxillary and sport specific exercises, speed and agility work (Speed School 101 a&b) and 8 week workouts putting the both together coming on later on this month.

Jason Poeth
Assistant Weightlifting Coach
Gayle Hatch Weightlifting
http://www.hatchdome.com

I completely agree that kids need hands on coaching while doing olympic lifts. That is what I do every day with baseball players, football players, volleyball...any power athlete. In my type of setting there is a low coach-athlete ratio so athletes are hightly supervised and weights are controlled. But, in most high school weightrooms time is limited and there too many athletes that must lift at once. It can be a scarey sight! Any exercise can be dangerous if done improperly - even a stretching exercise!
That is one of the reasons the videos are on the site. Coaches can use them to teach his or her athletes the lifts or for improving technique of someone who is a little rusty.

Jessica Rikard, LMT
Assistant Strength Coach
Gayle Hatch Weightlifting

I thought the site was pretty good and the videos did a good job through execution. I thought that the return might have been discussed a bit more. On some of the clips I noticed that Matt was bouncing the weights. With him being the caliber of lifter that he is I understand his release. I am assuming that rubber weights were being used or else a tartan surface or something similar was used. I know that a lot of schools do not have funding for these items and probably learn the hard way the havoc that kind of a return has on a concrete floor or cast plates and would liked to have seen more emphasis on the return. Otherwise I thought they were very well taught and appreciate the effort involved in the site.