Swing Eval

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
It appears to me that he is pulling his bat through with his biceps and wrists. He isn't getting extension through the ball and he has very little separation between upper and lower body, it looks more like a spin to me.

Here's a video clip of Rocco Baldelli hitting a home run to left field using basically the same swing as the kid in question (as far as the upper body is concerned).



Obviously, your extension theory has some holes in it.

Dude! He was obviously jammed on this pitch and he adjusted accordingly.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Dude! He was obviously jammed on this pitch and he adjusted accordingly.

Precisely.

"Alligator arms" are a perfectly reasonable solution to the problem of getting jammed, which is a bit of what I see in the video that started this thread.

Extension isn't the solution to every hitting problem.

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Extension isn't the solution to every hitting problem.

I never said it was. This hitter is making the same swing on every pitch. On the fly adjustments are part of hitting, but pitches in 45 degree soft toss is not where they happen, IMO.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
This hitter is making the same swing on every pitch.

...because the balls are all tossed to the same spot.

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...because the balls are all tossed to the same spot.

Yep! Meat shots!

Here's a video clip of Rocco Baldelli hitting a home run to left field using basically the same swing as the kid in question (as far as the upper body is concerned).



Obviously, your extension theory has some holes in it.[/QUOTE]



The biggest difference in this swing and the kid's, is the position of the bat shaft throughout the swing. Baldelli's shaft to shoulder relationship is a few inches until launch and the kid's starts leaving the shoulder as soon as he starts to turn.

Here is the Pujols illustration I referred to earlier. Frame 24 is true extension. From frame 20 to 24 his hands move in a straight line.



http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Hitting/Pr...sis_AlbertPujols.pdf

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
From frame 20 to 24 his hands move in a straight line.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Hitting/Pr...sis_AlbertPujols.pdf

First, given all the blurring this is a particularly bad clip to base this argument on.

Second, a side on view is the worst possible angle to judge the hand path.

Here's a much better clip to judge Pujols' hand path...

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Originally posted by LClifton:

Great clips! Watch his hands from go until top hand fires. The hands stay along the inside line of the batter's box.

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
From frame 20 to 24 his hands move in a straight line.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Hitting/Pr...sis_AlbertPujols.pdf

First, given all the blurring this is a particularly bad clip to base this argument on.

Second, a side on view is the worst possible angle to judge the hand path.

Here's a much better clip to judge Pujols' hand path...

Good clip! Knob goes straight to the ball from go until top hand fires. Extension will look different on an inside pitch because the back arm will need to stay bent slightly or the pitch will be hit foul. You still need to square up on the ball. The stills I provided are of a pitch down the middle which compare to the soft toss to the kid.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Knob goes straight to the ball from go until top hand fires.

If you call an arc straight.

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Knob goes straight to the ball from go until top hand fires.

If you call an arc straight.

Okay, I give up. We agree to disagree.

The shoulder and hip are in sync, thats the problem, there is no shoulder hip seperation therefore he has a long loopy swing.

Ok, we have been working on trying to get separation from the lower and upper body. Does this look any better in regards to the sequencing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8IQfVkBV0

Thanks

I like it better, I think he should be more accurate and has some adjustability with this swing although it may not be as powerful as the prior swing.

Sequencing is much better. I'd still like to see his feet further apart to gain more leverage and he still needs to straighten his head. His eyes need to be level to the ground.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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Does this look any better in regards to the sequencing.

DenJake, yes....He is getting it....

I see a more powerful swing with nice sequencing....

Thanks for all of the help. We will keep working on the swing.

FYI.. We use a speedtrac to monitor the exit speed and that really helped him to see that he was not loosing power but in fact gaining some exit speed with this swing. (max exit speed was 67mph with soft toss, prior max was 65pmh)

Also, have been mixing in a lot of high soft tosses to emulate off speed pitches and he is able to stay back on them much better now.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Sequencing is much better. I'd still like to see his feet further apart to gain more leverage and he still needs to straighten his head. His eyes need to be level to the ground.

Thanks

I agree with the head tilt, wanted to work on the sequencing first. We are going to start working on keeping his head level now.

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Originally posted by LAball:
The shoulder and hip are in sync, thats the problem, there is no shoulder hip seperation therefore he has a long loopy swing.

Agree. Maybe this will help him understand the Loading Sequence.