The D3 Decision Today

@JCG posted:

How'd you like The Deuce?

All that I can say is "The Freaks come out at night", but if you mind your business, respect people regardless of their situation, there were not problems.

The best time in the bus terminal occurred when students were going back to school.

The best bus lines were Adirondak Trialways, those girls were beautiful.

Shortline was also very good.  (LOL)

New Paltz

Binghamton

Syracuse

Cornell

Man, we use to compete on how many telephone numbers we could get.

The Port Authority was one of the safest places.

Well, it's not any extra cost.  If they say you pay $30,000 in one year, that's what you pay.  You are out of pocket the same amount.  It's just that you only get one semester of education for that money, instead of two, if he only is in school for one semester.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

All that I can say is "The Freaks come out at night", but if you mind your business, respect people regardless of their situation, there were not problems.

The best time in the bus terminal occurred when students were going back to school.

The best bus lines were Adirondak Trialways, those girls were beautiful.

Shortline was also very good.  (LOL)

New Paltz

Binghamton

Syracuse

Cornell

Man, we use to compete on how many telephone numbers we could get.

The Port Authority was one of the safest places.

I meant the TV show on HBO. Dunno about the stories and people but the feel of 80's  NY and Times Square is dead on.

@anotherparent posted:

Well, it's not any extra cost.  If they say you pay $30,000 in one year, that's what you pay.  You are out of pocket the same amount.  It's just that you only get one semester of education for that money, instead of two, if he only is in school for one semester.

I'm apparently too financially clueless to understand your point.

In this example:

Senior son finishes his education in spring '21.

My cost at $30K per year x 4  = $120K.

Senior son takes off spring '21 and finishes in spring '22.

My cost at $30K per year x 5  = $150K.

??

Oh, and in this scenario, we would have already received an award of $15K for the fall semester of the current school year.  I'm assuming that needs to be paid back.

Yes, sorry, complete brain freeze, of course your total out-of-pocket is more.  The total cost of school is not more, but you will have gotten $30,000 less in financial aid, because they felt you could afford $30,000 per year for however many years it took. 

Paying back the $15,000 from fall - I had not thought of that, that does seem unfair.

I know, right??

It's not my call, of course,  but I'm thinking grad school makes more sense than taking another year to finish undergrad.

@JCG posted:

I meant the TV show on HBO. Dunno about the stories and people but the feel of 80's  NY and Times Square is dead on.

Yes. that was happening.  They use to come through the Port Authority, but the Port Authority had their own police, so the Deuce stayed on the Deuce.

Use to hang out in the arcades for about 1 hour, 2 or 3 times per week.

Good times.

the most salient point here will there be a spring baseball season for anyone.  Awarding extra year of eligibility for D3 athletes would signal an expected change to a typical season structure at the very least.  National mask mandates (if legal) will not stop the virus.  masks are being worn in many places widely, testing is widely available, and tracing occurs but limited due to personal liberties.  These are talking points that will not necessarily change anything.  Things could improve.. yes.   but not go away.  What needs to change is how the virus is perceived for a season to happen.  The virus will spread, cases will be reported, but as long as hospitalizations and death remain muted, then we are progressing toward herd immunity.  Millions of people will not die to reach herd immunity, that's political rhetoric.  The new strain appears to be easier to spread but less virulent.   More younger people are getting it and outcomes are more positive.  With increased testing more asymptomatic cases are being picked up.  The biggest change that a new president will have on this disease is the improved perception of it.   There will not be a need to make this a political issue and exaggerate the dangers.  However, the downside of a new president will be the big fear of lockdowns.  A vaccine is imminent and likely available to the population in the spring.  with that as a backstop and improved perceptions of the virus, and the fact that baseball was played safely in the summer and fall lead me to be confident in the spring.  Likely an abridged season with less travel and perhaps a later start... but likely to happen.  Those that will cancel will likely be driven by money or for HA, they dont need atheltics or in person schooling to maintain applicants. aka $$    

@smokeminside posted:

D3 ballplayers adjusting to COVID 19.  

Poor buggers!

Yeah, he's in a lot of pain. The kid behind him is the starting RF and team's best power hitter. Also a senior and being recruited by NASA.

There's a huge NESCAC meeting tomorrow.  Don't have my hopes up. Extremely irritating that there may well be some d3s playing this spring but the well-off high academic schools (which are incredibly image conscious) seem likely to pack it in as Swarthmore, for example, did.

@smokeminside posted:

Yeah, he's in a lot of pain. The kid behind him is the starting RF and team's best power hitter. Also a senior and being recruited by NASA.

There's a huge NESCAC meeting tomorrow.  Don't have my hopes up. Extremely irritating that there may well be some d3s playing this spring but the well-off high academic schools (which are incredibly image conscious) seem likely to pack it in as Swarthmore, for example, did.

Is the meeting to decide about the season?  I wish these schools would wait just a bit longer before making decisions.   Fauci even said that anyone who wants the vaccine will have it by April.   It will be really interesting to see how long this wave lasts - if it's 4-6 weeks and multiple vaccines are rolled out at that time let's play (I will say play anyway).  Good luck and let us know what the outcome is please.

@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:

Is the meeting to decide about the season?  I wish these schools would wait just a bit longer before making decisions.   Fauci even said that anyone who wants the vaccine will have it by April.   It will be really interesting to see how long this wave lasts - if it's 4-6 weeks and multiple vaccines are rolled out at that time let's play (I will say play anyway).  Good luck and let us know what the outcome is please.

there is no reason to make a move before the return to school in January, if there is no return it is easy! it is just poor management to decide anything now.

I wouldn't give a nickel for any piece of advice from Fauci - him a microphone and he will conflict himself next week.

@old_school posted:

I wouldn't give a nickel for any piece of advice from Fauci - him a microphone and he will conflict himself next week.

Ya ok, so you know more about immunology then someone who is world renowned for contributions to AIDS/HIV research, Ebola and spent a lifetime studying infectious diseases.

Highly doubt that any healthy athlete will be vaccinated in 2021. Due to the conditions to which the virus needs to be kept in for most pharmacy and doctors offices it might be a task.  The rollout will first go to nursing homes through out the country and to Medicare recipients and those with specific health conditions, heart patients, cancer, severe asthmatics, diabetes, etc.

@smokeminside posted:

Yeah, he's in a lot of pain. The kid behind him is the starting RF and team's best power hitter. Also a senior and being recruited by NASA.

There's a huge NESCAC meeting tomorrow.  Don't have my hopes up. Extremely irritating that there may well be some d3s playing this spring but the well-off high academic schools (which are incredibly image conscious) seem likely to pack it in as Swarthmore, for example, did.

I don't have my hopes up either. Son is a freshman in a NESCAC program and he seems to be believe they will pack it in. Unfortunately, even if there is a season the freshman can't participate and they are all being sent home for the Spring. His school has been/is extremely image conscious from my limited experience thus far and it is really a detriment to these kids.

It is difficult to sit back and watch what is happening on so many levels. The only silver lining is that he really enjoys his coaches and teammates. Practice, workouts and being with the boys has been his saving grace.

@SoCal OG posted:

Ya ok, so you know more about immunology then someone who is world renowned for contributions to AIDS/HIV research, Ebola and spent a lifetime studying infectious diseases.

The issue with Fauci is not what he knows. The issue is how many times he’s flip flopped. He’s been an unelected government administrator for decades. It’s been a long time since he’s been an active doctor and written a peer reviewed article.

@TPM posted:

Highly doubt that any healthy athlete will be vaccinated in 2021. Due to the conditions to which the virus needs to be kept in for most pharmacy and doctors offices it might be a task.  The rollout will first go to nursing homes through out the country and to Medicare recipients and those with specific health conditions, heart patients, cancer, severe asthmatics, diabetes, etc.

If Ezekiel Emmanuel is part of Biden’s appointed team ** seniors over 75 may never get the vaccine. He doesn’t believe life is worth living past 75 and people this age and older shouldn’t have anything done to save them.

** he’s part of Biden’s COVID advisory group

Note: Biden appointed him today to officially head the COVID task force.

Edited for correction

@RJM posted:

If Rahm Emmanuel is part of Biden’s appointed team ** seniors over 75 may never get the vaccine. He doesn’t believe life is worth living past 75 and people this age and older shouldn’t have anything done to save them.

** he’s part of Biden’s COVID advisory group

Note: I just checked for Emmanuel’s age. Damn, he’s an old looking 60. The top article that came up is Biden appointed him today to officially head the COVID task force.

Isn't Joe Biden 77?

https://community.hsbaseballwe...23#66767994743188723

I am not much of a fan of either but the Emanuel that thinks life is basically over 75 (article about it) is Ezekial and the ex mayor of Chicago / Chief of Staff for Obama is Rahm.

edit: both appear to be a big part of the Biden team but in different roles.

Cuomo says that the government should require the vaccine be taken by everyone and administered by the government.  I'm not going to take it unless they hold me down and force it on me.  Never took a vaccine since I was a child and don't think I'm going to start today.  May in the future when I get OLDER but not this year.  I'm also not a huge fan of government administering the vaccine and overseeing it.  I don't think I would encourage my son to take it.  I wonder if colleges will require students to take it and will they put outs on it.

@Smitty28 posted:

Isn't Joe Biden 77?

Yes, he is. I heard Harris endorsed bringing on Emmanuel. 😁

@used2lurk posted:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...23#66767994743188723

I am not much of a fan of either but the Emanuel that thinks life is basically over 75 (article about it) is Ezekial and the ex mayor of Chicago / Chief of Staff for Obama is Rahm.

edit: both appear to be a big part of the Biden team but in different roles.

I got the name wrong and the person correct. I meant Ezekiel. Ezekiel was named to the COVID team today.

(fingers in ears) Lalalalalalalalalalala. 

D3 baseball, that was the point of this thread.

Can someone tell us the outcome of the NESCAC meeting?

@anotherparent posted:

(fingers in ears) Lalalalalalalalalalala.

D3 baseball, that was the point of this thread.

Can someone tell us the outcome of the NESCAC meeting?

Some can't do that AP, impossible.   

The reason I mentioned the vaccine was because people think by next spring all will be ready to roll with getting a vaccine.  As you and I discussed and what Fauci said yesterday, due to the temperature that the vaccine needs to be kept at, it will take time. I just don't want folks here to feel discouraged as it may take awhile.

Alex Azar is on now talking about who would first be vaccinated. The most vulnerable first, first responders, hospital and medical personnel.

He is also asking for everyone to please wear a mask. 

Why would any healthy person under 65 need to be vaccinated?

@PitchingFan posted:

Cuomo says that the government should require the vaccine be taken by everyone and administered by the government.  I'm not going to take it unless they hold me down and force it on me.  Never took a vaccine since I was a child and don't think I'm going to start today.  May in the future when I get OLDER but not this year.  I'm also not a huge fan of government administering the vaccine and overseeing it.  I don't think I would encourage my son to take it.  I wonder if colleges will require students to take it and will they put outs on it.

welcome to the New world brother, liberals don’t give a damn what people want. They will do the thinking for you.

@TPM posted:

Some can't do that AP, impossible.   

The reason I mentioned the vaccine was because people think by next spring all will be ready to roll with getting a vaccine.  As you and I discussed and what Fauci said yesterday, due to the temperature that the vaccine needs to be kept at, it will take time. I just don't want folks here to feel discouraged as it may take awhile.

Alex Azar is on now talking about who would first be vaccinated. The most vulnerable first, first responders, hospital and medical personnel.

He is also asking for everyone to please wear a mask.

TPM - the news about transporting and storing at low temperatures has been known for many months.  Fauci is well aware of this fact as well as the current distribution plans.  He is also the person stating that all people who want the vaccine will likely have it by April.   That's not me, that's not Trump, that's Dr. Fauci saying this.  The sequence of vaccinations, as you outline, has also been the plan for months.   There literally is nothing new in what you are reporting here - not saying your reporting is wrong.  It's important information - it's just not new information as many in the press seem to be indicating.  My point is Fauci is either to be believed in his timelines or not believed in his timelines.  Yes, he's been on all sides of all issues but this timeline is consistent with much of what I am reading in research reports.   As for D3 baseball/D1 baseball; college kids will be last to get the vaccine however I do think people can get their hopes up.  There is light at the end of the tunnel even with the "dark winter" ahead.  Spring baseball should be played.   

*I came out here to see the NESCAC decision by the way.  I didn't realize my earlier comment might derail this topic - apologies for that....

@old_school posted:

welcome to the New world brother, liberals don’t give a damn what people want. They will do the thinking for you.

Note, ground zero has been New Rochelle, Williamsburg,  Rockland County, in NJ Lakewood.

My family is near the original NYC hotspot.   They have no issues with the mandate, better safe than sorry.

@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:

TPM - the news about transporting and storing at low temperatures has been known for many months.  Fauci is well aware of this fact as well as the current distribution plans.  He is also the person stating that all people who want the vaccine will likely have it by April.   That's not me, that's not Trump, that's Dr. Fauci saying this.  The sequence of vaccinations, as you outline, has also been the plan for months.   There literally is nothing new in what you are reporting here - not saying your reporting is wrong.  It's important information - it's just not new information as many in the press seem to be indicating.  My point is Fauci is either to be believed in his timelines or not believed in his timelines.  Yes, he's been on all sides of all issues but this timeline is consistent with much of what I am reading in research reports.   As for D3 baseball/D1 baseball; college kids will be last to get the vaccine however I do think people can get their hopes up.  There is light at the end of the tunnel even with the "dark winter" ahead.  Spring baseball should be played.   

*I came out here to see the NESCAC decision by the way.  I didn't realize my earlier comment might derail this topic - apologies for that....

I only posted because of the comments you made in your post.

It didnt derail the post, that happened 2 pages ago. What happens is that there are a few folks here that only come around just to talk about the same thing, and never contribute anything worthwhile.

@old_school posted:

welcome to the New world brother, liberals don’t give a damn what people want. They will do the thinking for you.

I am a liberal and take offense to your continuous obnoxious comments that you make. And I am not the only one.

I will repeat what you posted to me once, that's BS.

In general, College Athletes are required to be up to date on vaccinations in most programs, and I would expect that to be true with a Covid vaccine (once it is available to college kids, of course)

Am I wrong about that?  

@Stuckinnewengland posted:

Why would any healthy person under 65 need to be vaccinated?

I saw a video from a doctor 75% of viruses are generally the same. It’s the other 25% of them that are potential problems. There may be people not prone to catching the flu who aren’t prone to get COVID.

I had the flu once when I was twelve. I’ve had direct exposure to COVID. I’ve been in five trace lines (20 something kids of friends got it).

The last time I’ve been sick at all was ten or more years ago when my kids lived at home and went to school (the Petri dish).

The only time I’ve been really sick since the flu as a kid was a reaction to the one time I had the flu shot.

@3and2Fastball posted:

In general, College Athletes are required to be up to date on vaccinations in most programs, and I would expect that to be true with a Covid vaccine (once it is available to college kids, of course)

Am I wrong about that?  

It doesn’t mean they will have priority. It just means when their turn comes up they have to get it.

@TPM posted:

I am a liberal and take offense to your continuous obnoxious comments that you make. And I am not the only one.

I will repeat what you posted to me once, that's BS.

Although we are not on facebook, I tend to post this every once in a while.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

As for Fauci, he has been as clear as he could be, as for he understood behind the close door meetings the agenda of the administration.

As for the governors of those states that were initially effected, IMHO they had to go on the information that was provided to them by the federal government.

The Bob Woodward (Trump tapes) speaks volumes.

But that is for another debate.

@TPM posted:

I am a liberal and take offense to your continuous obnoxious comments that you make. And I am not the only one.

I will repeat what you posted to me once, that's BS.

well now I guess you assume that knife doesn't cut both ways. another thing I find funny about liberals, it has to be a one way street.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

Although we are not on facebook, I tend to post this every once in a while.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

As for Fauci, he has been as clear as he could be, as for he understood behind the close door meetings the agenda of the administration.

As for the governors of those states that were initially effected, IMHO they had to go on the information that was provided to them by the federal government.

The Bob Woodward (Trump tapes) speaks volumes.

But that is for another debate.

I wasnt addressing my post to you, however, here it is guy.  This isnt Facebook. This is a baseball site to help others. How long have you been here that you haven't noticed?

And how long have you been here trying to get people to buy whatever you are selling (your words)?  So if you, or RJM, or old_school, etc. feel the need to bring up politics, go somewhere else or start a private message. Thank you.

This topic is/was about D3. Some people asked questions, if you cant answer or help, dont post.

@old_school posted:

well now I guess you assume that knife doesn't cut both ways. another thing I find funny about liberals, it has to be a one way street.

Why dont you go find another playground to bully people. Or are you that guy that visits a whole bunch of other sights just to piss people off?

BS.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

Note, ground zero has been New Rochelle, Williamsburg,  Rockland County, in NJ Lakewood.

My family is near the original NYC hotspot.   They have no issues with the mandate, better safe than sorry.

what do what you need to do in these places, does that mean Deer Antler Montana and Cross Roads New Mexico and Gods Country PA should be MANDATED by some clown in DC to wear a mask?

The good news is you make the point very well, so thank you very much. People should be allowed to make decisions for themselves, their towns and their states - STAY out of business that isn't yours...but the left just can't wrap their heads around a thought process they don't have total control of.

@TPM posted:

Why dont you go find another playground to bully people. Or are you that guy that visits a whole bunch of other sights just to piss people off?

BS.

so I guess you think your thoughts are main stream and agreed upon by all?

@old_school posted:

so I guess you think your thoughts are main stream and agreed upon by all?

What does that have to do with the topic, old man?  What does that have to do with the HSBBW?

You add NOTHING here to any discussion, just negative BS (your words).