The D3 Decision Today

I have to run off to an early meeting but the time line of this is amusing.

Pitching fan posts - "Cuomo says that the government should require the vaccine be taken by everyone and administered by the government."

Old Schools  posts - welcome to the New world brother, liberals don’t give a damn what people want. They will do the thinking for you.

TPM goes unhinged...so I assume that either

A. Cuomo isn't liberal?

B. Old School doesn't understand the meaning of "require and administered by"

C. TPM doesn't understand that government requirements take the thinking from you

Interesting....and somebody is accused of being a bully. Where did logic go?

@old_school posted:

I have to run off to an early meeting but the time line of this is amusing.

Pitching fan posts - "Cuomo says that the government should require the vaccine be taken by everyone and administered by the government."

Old Schools  posts - welcome to the New world brother, liberals don’t give a damn what people want. They will do the thinking for you.

TPM goes unhinged...so I assume that either

A. Cuomo isn't liberal?

B. Old School doesn't understand the meaning of "require and administered by"

C. TPM doesn't understand that government requirements take the thinking from you

Interesting....and somebody is accused of being a bully. Where did logic go?

I am not unhinged, I am just sick, actually repulsed by your attitude toward this site.

Again, your posts have nothing to do with the topic.  You don't get that.  I have never seen any post here by you,  NOT ONE, that offers any advice to anyone.  That tells us a lot about YOU.

But you are doing just what you do, come early in the morning, leave us some BS, nothing to do with topic, and leave. 

I was waitin' for ya, and you did exactly as expected, OLD_SCHOOL.

old_school, I believe that your son is at a D3?  What is his college doing?  Are they having baseball?  When will they decide?

Do you have anything useful to contribute to the topic of this thread?

The same as almost everyone, assume they are going to play, hoping they are going to play and preparing as such. Nothing from the school at this time, which is probably appropriate.

I like to think everything contribute is useful in some way, from profound baseball wisdom, real world perspective from a business person who sees things dramatically different then some others and of course keeping TPM in check as she likes to runover folks who disagree with her - its a Jersey thing we get used to it here in PA.

@3and2Fastball posted:

In general, College Athletes are required to be up to date on vaccinations in most programs, and I would expect that to be true with a Covid vaccine (once it is available to college kids, of course)

Am I wrong about that?  

They aren't.  My son just submits a immunization exemption. Every state has a form that must be signed and motorized.

@old_school posted:

and of course keeping TPM in check as she likes to runover folks who disagree with her - its a Jersey thing we get used to it here in PA.

Can you provide examples of this OLD_SCHOOL.

Thats your opinion.  Your job isnt to keep me in check, you have a problem, contact a moderator.

Meeting over?

I told myself I wouldn't get drawn in to the covid debate.  But, if you are claiming that being in business provides "real-world" experience, here goes.

Colleges and universities are also businesses.  They are just as "real-world" as anything else, in the sense that they also make choices that have financial implications.  Sure, individuals can disobey rules and common sense and not wear masks or socially distance.  And, in the resulting rising cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, colleges can decide to cancel baseball.  That's called capitalism.  If you don't like it, you can take your business somewhere else, if you can find somewhere else. If colleges go out of business, that was their choice, too.  They know that.  The ultra-liberal schools are rich and will not go out of business, and their choices are different than the schools more at risk.

I personally am somewhat frustrated by what I think is an over-reaction by some D3 schools, but I am much MORE frustrated by the fact that we are in this situation at all because people have been too stupid or stubborn or malicious or political, whichever it is, to follow simple public health rules.

UT already requires flu shots for its students.  I'm guessing that when there are enough covid vaccines, they, and other schools, will also require those.  Again, if you don't like it, take your business somewhere that meets your expectations.  Or, if you want what they are selling, you follow their rules.

@anotherparent posted:

I personally am somewhat frustrated by what I think is an over-reaction by some D3 schools, but I am much MORE frustrated by the fact that we are in this situation at all because people have been too stupid or stubborn or malicious or political, whichever it is, to follow simple public health rules.

I agree about the overreaction by some D3 schools but I think it's way too simplistic to pin where we are today based on some people not following public health rules.   There is ample evidence all over the world that Covid is running rampant regardless of the strategies deployed by governments or people.   I suspect New Zealand will be mentioned or South Korea.  There are exceptions based on geographical or population densities that help, there are also very real T cell immunities from prior exposures to colds (yes colds) that make some immune to Covid 19 and that should be more prevalent in Asia.   This shouldn't be political but I am highly confident that if every American wore a mask and washed their hands frequently we would be exactly where we are today, yes that is an opinion.   I am not anti-mask by the way, I have worn them since March.  I am also not anit vax - I will be first in line when my time is ready.

@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:

I agree about the overreaction by some D3 schools but I think it's way too simplistic to pin where we are today based on some people not following public health rules.   There is ample evidence all over the world that Covid is running rampant regardless of the strategies deployed by governments or people. 

There's very ample evidence that certain restrictions work, and when they are relaxed, the virus starts spreading again.  In my state, we had some pretty good rules in place, and had contained it well.  The governor relaxed the rules, literally two weeks later cases started going up (not due to cooler weather in this case), two weeks after that deaths started going up.  Same is true in Europe.  You can literally map this stuff.

When students got back to college, they partied and cases went up.  Some schools sent all students home, some suspended some students.  The rest of them saw that there were dire consequences, and started behaving.  Lo and behold, cases went way down.  It can be done.  That gave students over-confidence, parties happened at Halloween, guess what, now cases are going up again.

Students are miserable, and my guess is that many, many students will take the spring semester off.   Athletes too, if there are no spring sports.  That will put colleges in a financial vise.

AP - perhaps my opinion that we would be in the exact same situation was too simplistic.  I do think if everyone followed every precaution there would be fewer cases and deaths.  I don't think that's realistic, however.   Even if that did happen I do think we would still basically be in the same spot with cases rising and HA D3 schools taking way too much precaution.  So on the margin, 100% compliance would have helped but in my opinion not changed where we are regarding locks downs, baseball, school etc.  I need to get my kids to campuses in January.   They need it.  We need baseball...

I don't think we will ever see life the same.  Everybody says that we don't see life the same and don't see the pandemic the same.  The rural communities see it differently than the metropolitan areas and view most of life differently.  You can look at the political maps that we are tired of seeing and notice the clear differences.  Metropolitan cities, which is people, voted for Biden and rural and suburban areas voted for Trump.  We draw our lines and don't move.  I would be willing to bet that most of the people on here who are so for masks and the world is falling apart live in metropolitan areas and the ones who think masks are not required and get on with life are more rural people.  I know there are exceptions but I would guess it falls down those lines.  The rural communities as a whole have not had the huge effects of Covid like the metropolitan areas have so they don't see the need for all the precautions.  We naturally are social distanced and only associate with a few people.  we don't get on mass transit and work in small areas with a few people.  That will not change.  Rural America will see the world differently than the populated metropolitan communities.  My world and TPM's world is totally different I'm sure.  If we met in person, we could probably talk about our kids and baseball but if the subject got very far from that then we would start disagreeing and that is okay.  In real life, I don't think we would be great friends.  Our kids could have easily played on the same teams and we would have been social at the ball field but not hung out together.  I have a lot of those acquaintances.

This really all does apply to the original topic because Covid and the politics that come with it is the reason that this topic exists.  The larger metropolitan areas or liberal run D3 schools will be more prone to cancel everything and send the kids home.  The more rural conservative D3 schools will say let's play ball.  The problem comes, as in life, when one D3's decisions affect another D3's decisions.  The same here when a liberal makes a comment the conservative responds or when a conservative makes a comment a liberal responds and neither think their comment is the political one.  Just their opinion.  When you talk science, science is all in the interpretation and it depends on who is interpreting the science.  Liberals talk about the numbers being so bad and conservatives say they really are not because of the contributing factors and the total number of deaths in the nation for 2020.  All in how you see the numbers and through what lense.

@anotherparent posted:

I personally am somewhat frustrated by what I think is an over-reaction by some D3 schools, but I am much MORE frustrated by the fact that we are in this situation at all because people have been too stupid or stubborn or malicious or political, whichever it is, to follow simple public health rules.

This is the way I feel as well.  Now obviously we would still have cases even if everyone wore a mask...but I 100% believe we would be in a better situation.

PF,

Too long to quote.  Why is it always the same folks using the word liberals here,  which to me is a dog whistle.  It says a lot about people using that word over and over.  Does anyone here insult conservatives? 

You illustrate my point   We are not ignorant, most of us realize that there is a difference in metropolitan vs rural communities. I am not going to get drawn into that discussion.  But we should be discussing what we have in common, here,  which is baseball.  We can argue about that all we want.

As far as your comments about me, you know nothing about me personally and really I don't care if you would be friends with me or not. 

I agree with some of what you say, but once again, it doesn't belong here.  It shouldn't matter to anyone someone else's political or religious beliefs.  The discussions shouldnt have anything to do with science vs. no science, Trump, Biden or Andrew Cuomo. 

I understand why COVID comes into the discussion, but it should be in relation about how COVID is affecting our children's ability to play baseball, or our daughters to play soccer or basketball, etc.

The answer to your question is yes.  A lot of you here try to insult conservatives.  I believe if you go back and look the left brought Covid into this discussion first.  If not liberals, what would you like me to say, the left, Biden fans, or what.  I do not find the word conservative offensive so why would a person who defines themself as the left be offended by the word liberal, if they are liberal.  I believe this is a baseball discussion.  As usual, you are offended by the fact that I said we would not be friends.  I didn't say that to be offensive but you took it that way.  I was just being honest that we would not be friends because we don't see the world the same.  That is not a bad thing in my opinion.

I also disagree that the politics do come into play because the politics is why schools are making decisions.  They can say it is something else but it really comes down to how they see the world right now and who they believe and how the interpret the science.  The SEC and the B10 and P12 didn't see the science the same way when it came to football until the SEC was successful and the others had to re-evaluate their view real quickly.  At first, they said there is no way you can play football until the SEC/ACC proved them wrong and they realized we are missing a lot of money and jumped on board.  So Covid and politics and science does affect whether we play sports.  I don't think there is any fear whether the SEC will play baseball it just depends on whether we are going to play a regular schedule or just play an SEC schedule with a four game series every weekend against every other SEC school.

Well, PF your post just shows us WHY we shouldnt bring certain discussions to this site. If I remember you were always whining about your posts going away from the baseball discussion you posted about when COVID came into the discussion

BTW, there were conferences that began preparing for football when the big dogs were trying to get their act together. Another point, this board isn't about SEC, ACC, PAC10, etc. If you did a survey you would find that most of the active parents children here are D2, D3, JUCO and do not attend P5 programs.

You need to go back and read the post that set me off page 3.  I am not going to ignore that anymore.

It is going to be very interesting to see how sports are navigated this year. NCAA cannot afford to miss another March Madness but a majority of both the men's and women's basketball teams are currently under quarantine at my daughters' ACC and Big Ten schools. Tip-off is 18 days away and the kids can't practice again until 4 days before the game. My daughters are cautious and did not have to go to the quarantine dorm because they stayed away from the gatherings--but the one who plays is left figuring out her own solo work outs and she's more than frustrated that other people's behavior has landed them all in this situation. SEC postponed Saturday's Alabama-LSU, Auburn-Mississippi State, Texas A&M-Tennessee and Georgia-Missouri games after COVID-19 testing left rosters depleted of available player. MD vs. OH State cancelled as well. In my area, three local high school also had an outbreak (because of Halloween parties) resulting in a return to remote learning and landing one football coach and one player in the hospital and two parents we are friends with extremely sick but treating themselves at home. Those are just the people we know. I don't have all he answers. I just pray we can slow the increase in cases because this is not a fun virus to contract. Of course I want the kids to be able to play and I don't want businesses to have to shut down but I'm devastated by losing friends to COVID (an otherwise healthy member of our extended family contracted COVID delivering meals for her church and died after being in the hospital for 17 days). Seeing how quickly it can spread for one party to parents, coaches and administrators means that we all have to be vigilant. Especially if we want to see baseball (or basketball or any other sport).

@PitchingFan posted:

At first, they said there is no way you can play football until the SEC/ACC proved them wrong and they realized we are missing a lot of money and jumped on board.

SEC,ACC.....AND  Big12. Now I'm offended

@TPM posted:

I wasnt addressing my post to you, however, here it is guy.  This isnt Facebook. This is a baseball site to help others. How long have you been here that you haven't noticed?

And how long have you been here trying to get people to buy whatever you are selling (your words)?  So if you, or RJM, or old_school, etc. feel the need to bring up politics, go somewhere else or start a private message. Thank you.

This topic is/was about D3. Some people asked questions, if you cant answer or help, dont post.

@TPM You need to do the 3 R's.  Relax, Relate and Release.

Or Martin Lawrence "Wassa"

Note, you don't know which way I lean politically.

My post was to provide a  little fun and perspective, so that we can move on.

As for I agree, the thread was about "D3 Decision"

As for whatever I provide to the forum, it may or may not add value. It is a channel that hopefully helps, if not, then I will minimize my engagement.

I will say, as for those that use the service, I let it speak for itself.

@old_school posted:

what do what you need to do in these places, does that mean Deer Antler Montana and Cross Roads New Mexico and Gods Country PA should be MANDATED by some clown in DC to wear a mask?

The good news is you make the point very well, so thank you very much. People should be allowed to make decisions for themselves, their towns and their states - STAY out of business that isn't yours...but the left just can't wrap their heads around a thought process they don't have total control of.

You are correct.  As for God's Country. Every state has a God's Country (NY Rockland County, believes they are God's Country),  it seems the rurals areas are now starting see an uptick in hospitalization.

All we can do is wait and see where this is going.

Now back to D3 decision.

Folks -- I keep checking this tread to see if there are any insights being shared that cast a light on the decisions the D3 conferences will be making about spring sports/baseball.  I have to say -- I am pretty tired of reading about Covid-19 and politics on this site and in various threads.  HSBBW is a great resource for baseball and I really hope we can keep the discussions focused there.  But that hasn't been happening lately -- and so often threads here end up migrating the wrong direction the past months.  Its getting old.  Can I suggest -- that if we want to bitch about politics, Fauci, or whatever -- we jump on Facebook or Twitter.  

I am hopeful for spring baseball for D3.  The Ivy League decision to not cancel baseball as yet, but delay until March may be a model for NESCAC.  The NESCAC will likely be the most conservative in their decision-making heading into the season for reasons mentioned above.  The late start also signals that the Ivy League will likely play only league games and limit travel.  Perhaps NESCAC will follow.  if so, i think that will be a good sign for the rest of D3. 

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@TPM You need to do the 3 R's.  Relax, Relate and Release.

Or Martin Lawrence "Wassa"

Note, you don't know which way I lean politically.

My post was to provide a  little fun and perspective, so that we can move on.

As for I agree, the thread was about "D3 Decision"

As for whatever I provide to the forum, it may or may not add value. It is a channel that hopefully helps, if not, then I will minimize my engagement.

I will say, as for those that use the service, I let it speak for itself.

I don't need you to tell me what to do. Seriously.

@MAM posted:

Folks -- I keep checking this tread to see if there are any insights being shared that cast a light on the decisions the D3 conferences will be making about spring sports/baseball.  I have to say -- I am pretty tired of reading about Covid-19 and politics on this site and in various threads.  HSBBW is a great resource for baseball and I really hope we can keep the discussions focused there.  But that hasn't been happening lately -- and so often threads here end up migrating the wrong direction the past months.  Its getting old.  Can I suggest -- that if we want to bitch about politics, Fauci, or whatever -- we jump on Facebook or Twitter.  

This post from the OP is a reasonable call to get back on the topic and stop the political attacks.  We all have our political leanings and, to be honest, many believe that they are in the right and the opposite is the enemy.  That seems to be consistent throughout this country.  Baseball discussion boards are not good for this type of discussion since we have so many positive relationships between posters that could be destroyed by the political intrigue.  How about getting back to the topic of the thread?

@CoachB25 posted:

This post from the OP is a reasonable call to get back on the topic and stop the political attacks.  We all have our political leanings and, to be honest, many believe that they are in the right and the opposite is the enemy.  That seems to be consistent throughout this country.  Baseball discussion boards are not good for this type of discussion since we have so many positive relationships between posters that could be destroyed by the political intrigue.  How about getting back to the topic of the thread?

All true, Coach. If I had any insight to offer I would share it.

All I know is that my son's school is gung-ho about getting most students back on campus, which is a precondition for D3 sports to be played.  His conference is also very much set on holding an in-conference season. But currently they do not have govt clearance to resume.  If you asked me two weeks ago I would say that I was optimistic. But the way the CoVid numbers are going right now, it's hard be hopeful. One glimmer of hope came up in a Zoom meeting with our college president last week.  A parent asked if the campus didn't open in January, could they keep open the option of opening in March or April, especially for freshman and seniors.  You can imagine that being a possibility if the vaccines are rolling out smoothly.  He said yes, they were working on plans for that contingency.  I take that as a big plus for the kids, though it probably wouldn't have an impact on baseball.

I don't know much about D-III ball.  I did send a few that way in HS baseball but have sent more in softball.  One young lady ended her career short of several career records including home runs, rbis, ...  She did receive an offer to play 2021.  However, and I am sure a lot of you who know D-III ball, she had interned at a place as a chemist intern and they offered her a job.  That left her both upset and excited.  She really wanted to work for this company but she will live with the regret of not having those records.

Been away for a bit...... did I miss anything?

OS , as a conservative, I find your responses embarrassing. Everything isn’t Black or  White it’s usually mostly Grey. What’s your point?

Rip Fauci all you want? Are you an expert? He gives you an immunology POV. That’s it no nuance. Scientists don’t do nuance. As someone who has been in the same room with him and listened to him speak I find him credible. Without saying where but yes I’ve spent time understanding viruses and how they work and how vaccines work. I am not an expert but I understand more than most. But in general we are making progress at great speed. But see you won’t take the Vaccine ,or any which is somewhat irresponsible of you but hey have at it.

Either way attacking TPM to me is sad and a statement about you. I have found her to be helpful and the board in general  overall to be helpful. It’s really supposed to be about Baseball and navigating craziness. There are plenty of places for other stuff and negativity. Maybe step back , reset and get back to that.

ok I’ll get off the soap box. Thx

I liked the quarantined covid thread.  People sometimes need a way to vent their frustrations, as it is affecting many of us.  The only thing I truly don't like is when things get personal, especially towards each other.  Heck, that is the problem with pretty much every message or social media platform.... argh. 

@Fmr coach now Dad posted:

responses in bold

OS , as a conservative, I find your responses embarrassing. Everything isn’t Black or  White it’s usually mostly Grey. What’s your point?

I am all about grey, I don't see a whole lot grey on here but if you want to work in the grey area I am certain we can find something to agree on.

Rip Fauci all you want? Are you an expert? He gives you an immunology POV. That’s it no nuance. Scientists don’t do nuance. As someone who has been in the same room with him and listened to him speak I find him credible. Without saying where but yes I’ve spent time understanding viruses and how they work and how vaccines work. I am not an expert but I understand more than most. But in general we are making progress at great speed. But see you won’t take the Vaccine ,or any which is somewhat irresponsible of you but hey have at it.

I think Fauci gets is mouth moving ahead of his brain, his intentions may well be pure but he is all over the map like fish flopping around in a boat. He needs to stop being the mouth piece, he gets and takes so many damn interviews with "news" organizations who want nothing for him but to muddy the water and he does an excellent job of it. Do your damn job and let someone else do the public speaking. There is no reason for him to be in front of the cameras. I feel the same about Trump if he just shut the hell up at times he could so much more.

Not sure about your reference on the vaccine but I will be the first in line to take it if that is the way it is distributed, if you have to buy I will be an immediate purchaser. I have to think you have me confused with some other poster on this.

I do think we are making progress with great speed mostly because we have let the drug companies move...I am lesser government kind of guy.

Either way attacking TPM to me is sad and a statement about you. I have found her to be helpful and the board in general  overall to be helpful. It’s really supposed to be about Baseball and navigating craziness. There are plenty of places for other stuff and negativity. Maybe step back , reset and get back to that.

TPM is a love her or hate her type of personality, 99% of time I chose to just ignore, this time I chose not to. Go back over the last 10 years or more and you will see countless items where she has feuded over topics...at the end of the day there are 2 sides of a coin. If you disagree no problem here.

This is about baseball and craziness, there is virtually no way to separate them in our world today, if Covid didn't threaten to shutdown all of our life endeavors maybe you could...but that isn't todays reality.

ok I’ll get off the soap box. Thx

@Viking0 posted:

I liked the quarantined covid thread.  People sometimes need a way to vent their frustrations, as it is affecting many of us.  The only thing I truly don't like is when things get personal, especially towards each other.  Heck, that is the problem with pretty much every message or social media platform.... argh.

Viking - this one?

https://community.hsbaseballwe...elephant-in-the-room

classic 22 pages....

Agree that it was/is useful to vent - this one ran only to 8 pages -

https://community.hsbaseballwe...00#64092996625302200

but this thread here has useful info about D3 re-opening.

Interesting that JCG says his son's school might start as late as March.  With  the good vaccine news, if enough at-risk people are vaccinated by then, so that colleges feel comfortable about opening (or states permit them to), that seems like a good option (financially) for the colleges.  Hard to coordinate spring sports around that, perhaps.

Remember the "curve ball", the Coach, the umpire and the opposition do not compete because of "POLITICS".

"Learn and play the game the right way"!!!

Bob

I am going to close this topic now.  I requested that the OP's wishes be adhered to.  It seems that this is not possible at this time.  Let's talk baseball.