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@PitchingFan posted:

Agreed CBI.  For every kid that may have been hurt by the Transfer Portal there are also players that have been blessed by it to go to a better place and/or get out of a bad situation.  I can't help but look at Sonny D from Auburn last year who got so much more attention than he had at his mid major team in the previous years.  I can name player after player.  I'm sure the Ohuna young man who is now at Tennessee will get a lot more exposure than his previous school and the same with all the kids at LSU.  In life, most decisions are good for one person and bad for another.  How many of us are glad we broke up with someone to end up marrying someone else?

Ohuna was getting plenty of attention even at Kansas. He would have been drafted high this year (if performance is the same) regardless. He will just likely have more fun winning instead of losing.

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Stop making the athletes be students and just have them be employees of the university, and I'd have no problem with any of it.  They'd be grown men, in a competitive workforce, move around as much as they like, etc. etc.  Oh no, maybe that would eat into the bottom line.

Being a student implies something more than just being a cog in a business for the pleasure of fans.  That's what professional sports are.  If these are professional sports, then call them what they are.

Stop making the athletes be students and just have them be employees of the university, and I'd have no problem with any of it.  They'd be grown men, in a competitive workforce, move around as much as they like, etc. etc.  Oh no, maybe that would eat into the bottom line.

Being a student implies something more than just being a cog in a business for the pleasure of fans.  That's what professional sports are.  If these are professional sports, then call them what they are.

I think House v NCAA will put this front and center.

Stop making the athletes be students and just have them be employees of the university, and I'd have no problem with any of it.  They'd be grown men, in a competitive workforce, move around as much as they like, etc. etc.  Oh no, maybe that would eat into the bottom line.

Being a student implies something more than just being a cog in a business for the pleasure of fans.  That's what professional sports are.  If these are professional sports, then call them what they are.

I’d be ok with all of it if players were getting full rides.

I know of a kid...a SS who is an excellent defensive player with offensive potential to be an asset. Grad HS in 2020 and went D2.

Freshmen year he was behind a senior at SS and a junior at 2B and he didn't play and got a redshirt.

Sophomore year, they bring in a junior SS transfer and he's stuck behind him at SS and the 2B who is now a senior. Kid barely plays at all his Sophomore season.

Now he's a Junior and the transfer SS is still there as a senior and the 2B came back as a grad student because he got an extra year because of 2020. It's basically the same situation for the kid unless someone has a major injury.

So this year will be 3 years at the school for the kid. He's almost never seen the field the first two years and probably won't see it this year as well.  And, it's not because he's not a good player - it's because there's older and better players in front of him.

Now, I'm guessing he loves the school and he's getting an education. But, I'm not sure how this even comes close to being a good baseball experience?

And it's because of transfers and kids getting extra Covid years.

And who's to say that another 2B doesn't transfer in next year and that the SS doesn't exercise his Covid year and come back as a grad student in 2024? Then this poor kid will be there for 4 years and barely see the field.

Yes...he also could transfer after this season too. But then he's put in 3 years at a school that he won't graduate from...and is that ideal?

Like I said...I know of him and don't know him personally. But my heart breaks for kids in this situation. Seems like a lot of time, sacrifice and money for a bad baseball experience.

@Francis7 posted:

I know of a kid...a SS who is an excellent defensive player with offensive potential to be an asset. Grad HS in 2020 and went D2.

Freshmen year he was behind a senior at SS and a junior at 2B and he didn't play and got a redshirt.

Sophomore year, they bring in a junior SS transfer and he's stuck behind him at SS and the 2B who is now a senior. Kid barely plays at all his Sophomore season.

Now he's a Junior and the transfer SS is still there as a senior and the 2B came back as a grad student because he got an extra year because of 2020. It's basically the same situation for the kid unless someone has a major injury.

So this year will be 3 years at the school for the kid. He's almost never seen the field the first two years and probably won't see it this year as well.  And, it's not because he's not a good player - it's because there's older and better players in front of him.

Now, I'm guessing he loves the school and he's getting an education. But, I'm not sure how this even comes close to being a good baseball experience?

And it's because of transfers and kids getting extra Covid years.

And who's to say that another 2B doesn't transfer in next year and that the SS doesn't exercise his Covid year and come back as a grad student in 2024? Then this poor kid will be there for 4 years and barely see the field.

Yes...he also could transfer after this season too. But then he's put in 3 years at a school that he won't graduate from...and is that ideal?

Like I said...I know of him and don't know him personally. But my heart breaks for kids in this situation. Seems like a lot of time, sacrifice and money for a bad baseball experience.

In life there are twist and turns, coaches are creatures habit, their roster management is a fact pattern with nuances.

Covid occurred 3 yrs ago, thus you can probably predict with relative probability what the coach was planning to do.

1 - Did he succeed when he got the opportunity

2- did he have an annual exit interview?  If so, did he have on his listening ears

3 - where did he play summer ball (call it his internship)

If you look at the historical trends, are there hints?

@Francis7

For position players there will always be a surplus of players, especially in D2.

Not having seen the player play his position, or at the plate, how can you draw a conclusion it might be a bad baseball experience...for him.

Stop blaming older players because the bottom line is the best guys play everyday.

I do not understand why you would make a judgement about someone else's college baseball experience or how much $$ they are spending?

Maybe he loves being on a team, his teammates are his family. School is close to home. He loves the school, loves his major, has a girlfriend on campus. I know that  you can relate to that without coming to a negative conclusion!

Maybe playing everyday baseball isn't the most important thing in his life but combined with the whole college experience would be why he is still on the team.

At least you didn't blame the coach!

@Francis7 posted:

I know of a kid...a SS who is an excellent defensive player with offensive potential to be an asset. Grad HS in 2020 and went D2.

Freshmen year he was behind a senior at SS and a junior at 2B and he didn't play and got a redshirt.

Sophomore year, they bring in a junior SS transfer and he's stuck behind him at SS and the 2B who is now a senior. Kid barely plays at all his Sophomore season.

Now he's a Junior and the transfer SS is still there as a senior and the 2B came back as a grad student because he got an extra year because of 2020. It's basically the same situation for the kid unless someone has a major injury.

So this year will be 3 years at the school for the kid. He's almost never seen the field the first two years and probably won't see it this year as well.  And, it's not because he's not a good player - it's because there's older and better players in front of him.

Now, I'm guessing he loves the school and he's getting an education. But, I'm not sure how this even comes close to being a good baseball experience?

And it's because of transfers and kids getting extra Covid years.

And who's to say that another 2B doesn't transfer in next year and that the SS doesn't exercise his Covid year and come back as a grad student in 2024? Then this poor kid will be there for 4 years and barely see the field.

Yes...he also could transfer after this season too. But then he's put in 3 years at a school that he won't graduate from...and is that ideal?

Like I said...I know of him and don't know him personally. But my heart breaks for kids in this situation. Seems like a lot of time, sacrifice and money for a bad baseball experience.

Some very wise posters here have said over and over again to choose a college where he'll be happy if there is no baseball. Maybe he did. If he didn't, he should have.

When it comes to being a fan of baseball, it has always cheapened the experience for me when a team would rather build through free agency (or in this case transfers) than developing their own players through the farm system (or recruitment).   A piece here or there you can respect, but 5 or 6 that take the place of players you've watched come up and develop, it just kind of ruins it for me.  Does it mean you're a lousy recruiter or judge of talent?  Growing up in NE and being a fan of the sox and pats, I actually miss being player-centric in enjoying the teams/players rather than only caring about the Program winning championships.

This seems to be the nature of college baseball now.  And while I'm on the topic.  As a true P5 walk-on back in the day... Walk-ons should come from the student body, not Invited transfers they didn't have the scholarship for right away, STOP CALLING THOSE GUYS WALK-ONS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL!  THEY ARE SIMPLY INVITED ATHLETE TRANSFERS. --- okay end of pet peeve rant.

@HSDad22 posted:

When it comes to being a fan of baseball, it has always cheapened the experience for me when a team would rather build through free agency (or in this case transfers) than developing their own players through the farm system (or recruitment).   A piece here or there you can respect, but 5 or 6 that take the place of players you've watched come up and develop, it just kind of ruins it for me.  Does it mean you're a lousy recruiter or judge of talent?  Growing up in NE and being a fan of the sox and pats, I actually miss being player-centric in enjoying the teams/players rather than only caring about the Program winning championships.



Agree 100%.  This is why I like college much more than pro.  I followed the Rangers, went to opening days, and over the past 5-7 years, I barely recognize a name each year....not what I am a fan of.  I've lost interest.  I am at this point, a fan of seeing certain players, regardless of what team it is on.



And @TerribleBPthrower, picking a school you would like regardless of baseball doesn't work for everyone.  My son has said multiple times that he probably wouldn't even go to college if it wasn't for baseball.  Baseball is the goal for some guys.  While we push school, we do also realize it isn't the end all be all.

@baseballhs makes a good point. I imagine that most posters on HSBBW have a college degree. Some more than one. We were all conditioned to believe that attending college, and earning a degree, was critical to having success in life. Back in the day there was a lot of truth to that. The sad fact is that times have changed in that respect. Unless you are pursuing a career that requires specialized education a college degree today isn’t worth what it was 40 years ago. Especially if obtaining that degree puts you tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Today you really need to do a cost/benefit analysis to determine if it’s even a good financial investment. Look at the historical rise in the cost of college tuition. University administrations have become incredibly greedy. They are every bit as corrupt as corporate executives and politicians. Corporations want employees that are saddled with debt and lack the freedom of choice. People in that situation are easier to control. And Universities are more than happy to do their part to make that happen in return for corporate partnerships (that include donations, grants, collaborative research projects, etc.). Even if attending college is not a financial burden you still should be asking if it’s worth the time and the money. For many it isn’t. And IMO it didn’t used to be that way.

@adbono posted:

@baseballhs makes a good point. I imagine that most posters on HSBBW have a college degree. Some more than one. We were all conditioned to believe that attending college, and earning a degree, was critical to having success in life. Back in the day there was a lot of truth to that. The sad fact is that times have changed in that respect. Unless you are pursuing a career that requires specialized education a college degree today isn’t worth what it was 40 years ago. Especially if obtaining that degree puts you tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Today you really need to do a cost/benefit analysis to determine if it’s even a good financial investment. Look at the historical rise in the cost of college tuition. University administrations have become incredibly greedy. They are every bit as corrupt as corporate executives and politicians. Corporations want employees that are saddled with debt and lack the freedom of choice. People in that situation are easier to control. And Universities are more than happy to do their part to make that happen in return for corporate partnerships (that include donations, grants, collaborative research projects, etc.). Even if attending college is not a financial burden you still should be asking if it’s worth the time and the money. For many it isn’t. And IMO it didn’t used to be that way.

Totally agree, it sad what they have become. I find it more amazing that alumni continue to support it as an industry.

Colleges biggest value is flexibility in paths available to you and a potential network to employers, partners and investors...it is no guarantee of anything but leaves more options for future paths. I also think it opens doors to more capital early in ventures if you are part the proper networks.

@adbono posted:

@baseballhs makes a good point. I imagine that most posters on HSBBW have a college degree. Some more than one. We were all conditioned to believe that attending college, and earning a degree, was critical to having success in life. Back in the day there was a lot of truth to that. The sad fact is that times have changed in that respect. Unless you are pursuing a career that requires specialized education a college degree today isn’t worth what it was 40 years ago. Especially if obtaining that degree puts you tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Today you really need to do a cost/benefit analysis to determine if it’s even a good financial investment. Look at the historical rise in the cost of college tuition. University administrations have become incredibly greedy. They are every bit as corrupt as corporate executives and politicians. Corporations want employees that are saddled with debt and lack the freedom of choice. People in that situation are easier to control. And Universities are more than happy to do their part to make that happen in return for corporate partnerships (that include donations, grants, collaborative research projects, etc.). Even if attending college is not a financial burden you still should be asking if it’s worth the time and the money. For many it isn’t. And IMO it didn’t used to be that way.

I can see your point, but let me give you another perspective.

This all depends on your purpose for going to College,  if simply to get a job, then you are probably right.  If you want to simply become part of the new Working Class, sit in a cube-farm and take it up the rear side by corporate america, then yeah, it's stinks, I live it.  I see the concern with escalating tuition, states barely funding their Public Universities, let alone their public schools, student debt, etc.  Colleges falling into the game of spending money on perks to entice students  (rock walls in student centers, award winning dining, etc) rather than actually improving quality of education.  But without an Education there is no opportunity to improve your station in life.  So no I don't buy into the rhetoric by many to discouragement kids from going to college because it's not "worth" it.

I'll tell you a story:  My Dad, when he was young and working a passenger train detail, he overheard a fellow train man tell a passenger on the train, "See that young man over there, 4th generation railroad man".  The woman looked up and gave a snooty reply, "Not much improvement in that family".  Well, my Dad said "no more".  He made sure all of his 4 kids went to college.  He worked freight, 16 hr shifts, etc. to make sure that happened.  Because of it, we all do better.  My job now is to make sure my kids do better than me.  I am just a cog in a corporate world, but my kids will not be.  Since day one they've been taught to be something more, don't' just work to make someone else money, be a Scientist, Doctor, Entrepreneur,  change the world, don't just exist in it.  The goal is to continue to improve, generation by generation, that's what Education does.

Is the college system starting to become broken, maybe, but it needs to be fixed, not abandoned.  The privileged society seems to want to tell everyone that college isn't worth it, but they aren't sending THEIR kids to Trade School or telling them to go sit in a cube-farm and make someone else money.

But some jobs require it no matter what the degree is in.  Oldest son wanted to drop out of college in his junior year because he owned his own landscaping business and made really good money, especially for 21 year old.  He also coached middle school baseball and basketball and loved it.  I talked him into finishing online just in case he ever needed it.  3 years ago after being a very successful middle school coach in basketball he got a chance to move up and applied for a HC of varsity.  The only real requirement was you had to have a bachelor's degree in something.  Without the degree, he could not have applied and now be a HC.  He doesn't teach, just coaches.  No different for college coaches.  Most D1 schools require a masters degree in something and they don't care what it is to be a HC.

I expected the responses above. I didn’t say the system should be abandoned and I didn’t say there was no value to higher education. What I said was the increase in expenses (and the watering down of many degrees) has created a different situation than what most of us experienced. And it’s something that should be looked at thru a different lens. Every case is different

@adbono posted:

I expected the responses above. I didn’t say the system should be abandoned and I didn’t say there was no value to higher education. What I said was the increase in expenses (and the watering down of many degrees) has created a different situation than what most of us experienced. And it’s something that should be looked at thru a different lens. Every case is different

Is this about using sports to reduce college costs or attending college in general? Or is it about folks emptying their bank accounts or 401k because their child's dream is to become a professional athlete? In that case, perhaps JUCO is a better option. Just say it.

I agree that the cost of higher education is out of control. But as far as I know, almost every "profession" requires a degree.

JMO

I think the most valuable thing about college is teaching responsibility and making connections.   A communications degree or a business degree are pretty standard degrees that mostly give you a piece of paper.  If your goal is to be an entrepreneur, I don't think college prepares you much (unless you are at Babson or one of the few schools that now have that degree.).

I just had this conversation with my youngest son this morning on the way to school, that for some jobs, a degree is needed to step in the door...not that you will use that degree, but it is a tool for weeding out. I told him options are important because not all businesses succeed and you need a back up plan.  I'm not against college at all. My daughter will always work for someone, she will do well.  She has an international business degree.  My son that plays baseball will not work for someone.  He has had business ideas non stop since he was 10.  I don't think his degree will make much difference for him and he will do well.  My husband didn't graduate and has owned multiple companies that employ tons of college graduates and he has done very well. My kids have seen that if you have good ideas, and connections, you don't have to have the paper. My youngest is up in the air as to whether or not he will go.

There are kids making millions streaming content ( I realize that is not the norm but there are more than a few).  My nephew went to trade school, had no debt, and starting salary was around 100K.  There are other ways to skin a cat now.   I do see a lot of kids getting 150-200k degrees to go be a teacher and make 50K a year...there just needs to be some logic to the college decision.   I understand that engineering, medical, etc., are completely different animals.

Thank you @baseballhs for making my argument for me. In this day and age ALL “professions” do not require a degree. I will offer up another example. My oldest son is a computer geek and is totally self taught. Before long in his schooling he was advanced well beyond his HS teachers or college professors in terms of practical knowledge. He was hired by the Norman Police Department when he was 18 years old to help with cybercrimes. He now works for the State of Oklahoma Task Force for Cybercrimes Against Children and is one of the leading experts in the state of Oklahoma in fighting human trafficking. He is a semester short of his Bachelors Degree but he is so far beyond the courses that remain that it would be a waste of time to go back and take them. His job requires a skill set - not a piece of paper. Many other employers hire on that basis as well and that is a major difference between now and 30 years ago.

@adbono posted:

Thank you @baseballhs for making my argument for me. In this day and age ALL “professions” do not require a degree. I will offer up another example. My oldest son is a computer geek and is totally self taught. Before long in his schooling he was advanced well beyond his HS teachers or college professors in terms of practical knowledge. He was hired by the Norman Police Department when he was 18 years old to help with cybercrimes. He now works for the State of Oklahoma Task Force for Cybercrimes Against Children and is one of the leading experts in the state of Oklahoma in fighting human trafficking. He is a semester short of his Bachelors Degree but he is so far beyond the courses that remain that it would be a waste of time to go back and take them. His job requires a skill set - not a piece of paper. Many other employers hire on that basis as well and that is a major difference between now and 30 years ago.

He should finish his degree. Can't hurt, can only help, and if all he has to do is sit through 3-4 classes and not ever study - so easy.

A job he wants someday, perhaps at the national level, might require it. Nothing is guaranteed.

A degree lasts forever.

Sounds like a very bright young man. Congrats.

There are exceptions to every rule.

Example, an electrician doesn't need a college degree but he has to be certified. A law enforcement officer doesn't need one either but has to attend training school and pass.

You do not need a degree to be successful, no one argues that point.  I can give a lot of examples of folks that I know who are very successful with or without degrees.

I was just wondering what the advice here has to do with college baseball.

@SpeedDemon posted:

He should finish his degree. Can't hurt, can only help, and if all he has to do is sit through 3-4 classes and not ever study - so easy.

A job he wants someday, perhaps at the national level, might require it. Nothing is guaranteed.

A degree lasts forever.

Sounds like a very bright young man. Congrats.


My husband’s mom still says this. The fact is when you’ve reached a certain level of knowledge, it really doesn’t matter. If you are a leader in your field, no one is asking for your diploma because it is so basic. We’ve all just been told our whole lives and it was necessary.

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@TPM posted:

There are exceptions to every rule.

Example, an electrician doesn't need a college degree but he has to be certified. A law enforcement officer doesn't need one either but has to attend training school and pass.

You do not need a degree to be successful, no one argues that point.  I can give a lot of examples of folks that I know who are very successful with or without degrees.

I was just wondering what the advice here has to do with college baseball.

Yes ma'am! Completely agree.

Lots of great careers possible without a bachelors.  Forcing all students into 4 years of a university education, no matter their career goals, doesn't seem right.

But if you're relatively young and one semester away from a degree and the classes you need to take require almost no work and you're really really good at your job ... why limit yourself? Would be awful to be passed over or deemed not qualified somewhere down the line because you lack a degree when you were | | this close to having one. Eliminate the risk!



This discussion is focusing on the college part, rather than the baseball part. Kind of refreshing!

@baseballhs posted:


My husband’s mom still says this. The fact is when you’ve reached a certain level of knowledge, it really doesn’t matter. If you are a leader in your field, no one is asking for your diploma because it is so basic. We’ve all just been told our whole lives and it was necessary.

100% on point again. And as we are finding out in other walks of life (if you are paying attention) is that many things we have been told all our lives (especially by our government) no longer pass the smell test now that more information is available.

Some of the degrees that are offered are ridiculous. It would be nice if colleges would swap out those ridiculous degrees and replace them with more trade programs. They could even charge a different "tuition" rate. I have no idea why parents who fund their child's education would allow them to get a degree in some of the programs colleges are offering these days.

@baseballhs posted:


My husband’s mom still says this. The fact is when you’ve reached a certain level of knowledge, it really doesn’t matter. If you are a leader in your field, no one is asking for your diploma because it is so basic. We’ve all just been told our whole lives and it was necessary.

I must be as old as your mom!

But you're right - it doesn't matter. And it shouldn't matter.

Until it does.

Highly qualified people are turned away everyday because they lack a certain credential, whether is it a bachelors, a degree from a certain class of school, a certain certification, a union card, et.al.

What is any credential other than the ability to show to others that you have the skills you say you have?

So why risk it?  Esp when the credential is easily obtainable, it should be a no-brainer.

@TPM posted:

Is this about using sports to reduce college costs or attending college in general? Or is it about folks emptying their bank accounts or 401k because their child's dream is to become a professional athlete? In that case, perhaps JUCO is a better option. Just say it.

I agree that the cost of higher education is out of control. But as far as I know, almost every "profession" requires a degree.

JMO

Programmers only need to right certifications. Years ago we hired a programmer who quit college after his freshman year. He was at a prestigious university. He was too bright for the classes. He was bored. His father was a programmer. His father taught him what he needed to know.

The kid was intuitive. When I drew out what a program needed to do he would analyze it and ask if it would help if it could also do A, B and C. He ultimately became our VP of Programming and Product Development.

I didn’t learn much in college that led to a job. My degree was Economics with a Concentration in Quantitative Methodology (now called Quantitative Analytics). It was essentially calculus for economics. I chose it because math was easy for me. The last thing I wanted to be was a economics statistical nerd sitting in a cubicle.

When I interviewed at IBM (one of the “it jobs” at the time) all college gave me was the answer to two questions. 1) Is your degree math related? Is your GPA 3.2 or better? It got me into sales. The work ethic, competition, leadership and desire to win I played up from playing college baseball was a plus. It didn’t hurt the guy who ultimately made an offer played football at the same school.

@SpeedDemon posted:

Yes ma'am! Completely agree.

Lots of great careers possible without a bachelors.  Forcing all students into 4 years of a university education, no matter their career goals, doesn't seem right.

But if you're relatively young and one semester away from a degree and the classes you need to take require almost no work and you're really really good at your job ... why limit yourself? Would be awful to be passed over or deemed not qualified somewhere down the line because you lack a degree when you were | | this close to having one. Eliminate the risk!



This discussion is focusing on the college part, rather than the baseball part. Kind of refreshing!

Son was drafted as a junior and played pro about 9 years. Didn't want to go back to finish school. Had less $$$ in his mlb scholarship plan (it gets reduced when you advance) then found out that Clemson had a program (many do) for athletes to complete their degree and he could be a student assistant and would not cost him a dime. He is in his 7th year as assistant coach.

So I agree with you 100%. If one has put in the time and effort towards a degree, why would you NOT finish what you started out to achieve!

@RJM posted:

Programmers only need to right certifications. Years ago we hired a programmer who quit college after his freshman year. He was at a prestigious university. He was too bright for the classes. He was bored. His father was a programmer. His father taught him what he needed to know.

The kid was intuitive. When I drew out what a program needed to do he would analyze it and ask if it would help if it could also do A, B and C. He ultimately became our VP of Programming and Product Development.

Most programmers can learn everything they know from the Internet and YouTube. However, I know several very desirable companies to work for that still require a degree for programmers.

I'm uniquely qualified to comment on this portion of the thread...

My eldest is a staff level software engineer, and although he has his degree it's not required in the field. He has many peers that did not go the college route, and he and they can work anywhere in the world they'd like. If you're talented, it's a great field to be in at the moment.

It's a lot like baseball tho, you need to have an aptitude - A great preliminary test to see it's something to pursue is Harvard's CS150 - it's free or $150 if you want the cert. If you find the class fun, and/or interesting there are many ways to start the CS journey without college. I'm too old to start another career, but I really enjoyed the class.

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A degree is not required for a software engineer to do well and have a great career. There are lots of companies that absolutely require a degree.

It has been one of the best fields for several years and will be for a long time. Even mediocre programmers should have no trouble finding a job. A HS kid could finish AP computer science (focuses mostly on Java programming) and walk into a decent paying job with tons of upward mobility.

This is off topic relative to recent posts in this thread but does relate to the OP. In case you missed it. In a fall game that was played yesterday New Mexico Junior College beat New Mexico State University 8-7. For a little perspective NMJC is currently a top 30 D1 JuCo and is almost always in the top 50. I have seen them play last spring and this fall. They are good. NMSU is usually a top 150 D1 program. They were down a little bit last year but they often compete for conference championships in the WAC. They are pretty good too. This may be a foreign concept to those in the upper Midwest and the Northeast, but this is not an anomaly. Good JuCo teams in sun belt states can regularly beat respectable D1 teams in the same area. No matter where you live you should be familiar with the level of JuCo play in your area. The only way to know is to watch some games. I would encourage every current HS player (that aspires to play in college) to go watch the best JuCo in his area. The level of play can be an eye opening experience.

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