Your movie sounds better, Woody.
I will keep my Gun, my Freedom and my God...You can keep the change....
quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
Forget the politics, just remeber one thing, "be a Nice human being", you will get rewarded. The extremists will be destoryed like crock roaches, they will not see the day light for their lifes. Let's start the new era. Let the dog bark for whatever reason they like, be nice and thankful to others, your day will come sooner or later. If those extremists keep crying on the FOX everyday, they won't have their guys in the white house for the next 24 years. This is my prediction, I stick with it.
Let's all hold hands and begin the first verse of Kum-ba-ya! That sounded soooooo sweet...lol.
Extremists on Fox?!
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I only saw one!
quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
Woody, did you see "Snow White" in there? Was she dancing with the seven dwarfs?
I only saw one!
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Couldn't agree more with that statement kbat!
Couldn't agree more with that statement kbat!
Like I said earlier in my first post on this thread, I support our new Commander in Chief. No problemo there!
Guess I struck a nerve, or was it the song choice?
Guess I struck a nerve, or was it the song choice?
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I know how you feel...I've been listening to sore losers for eight years!
As I said earlier in the day...it's time to roll up the sleeves and get to work...together!
quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
yes, I am just getting tired of those sore losers.
Today's a new day, we will get things done with or without them. Let them keep quite and don't be the jealous witch.
I know how you feel...I've been listening to sore losers for eight years!
As I said earlier in the day...it's time to roll up the sleeves and get to work...together!
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Was struck by this today...
First...The amazing groundswell...the optimism...the symbolism of how far we have come as a nation since 1865 and even since 1965...the idealism, the plans...the call to arms for everyone to do their part no matter how small...the head nodding and agreement...
Then one million citizens who had JUST MOMENTS BEFORE AGREED to do their part to take responsibility, walking away from their garbage with no apparent feeling of responsibility for the mess...and leaving the nation Mall a trash bin...
Now I am not a particularly environmental guy, and I understand it is a small point, and I realize that trash represents jobs for others...
But the symbolism of leaving the mess for someone else to clean up and feeling nothing about it after agreeing to the concept of responsibility was incredibly symbolic of the difference between words/idealism and action...and symbolic of the reality of the challenges we REALLY face now that the party is over...are we really ready to take this challenge on?
Congratulations to us, to Barack, to those citizens who have waited 200 years for this day...an amazing beginning, but Obama is right, make no mistake there are tough challenges ahead...for all of us, every race creed and color...it will take all of us...together...making tough sacrifices...
Party's over...God help us all.
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Was struck by this today...
First...The amazing groundswell...the optimism...the symbolism of how far we have come as a nation since 1865 and even since 1965...the idealism, the plans...the call to arms for everyone to do their part no matter how small...the head nodding and agreement...
Then one million citizens who had JUST MOMENTS BEFORE AGREED to do their part to take responsibility, walking away from their garbage with no apparent feeling of responsibility for the mess...and leaving the nation Mall a trash bin...
Now I am not a particularly environmental guy, and I understand it is a small point, and I realize that trash represents jobs for others...
But the symbolism of leaving the mess for someone else to clean up and feeling nothing about it after agreeing to the concept of responsibility was incredibly symbolic of the difference between words/idealism and action...and symbolic of the reality of the challenges we REALLY face now that the party is over...are we really ready to take this challenge on?
Congratulations to us, to Barack, to those citizens who have waited 200 years for this day...an amazing beginning, but Obama is right, make no mistake there are tough challenges ahead...for all of us, every race creed and color...it will take all of us...together...making tough sacrifices...
Party's over...God help us all.
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quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
yes, I am just getting tired of those sore losers.
Today's a new day, we will get things done with or without them. Let them keep quite and don't be the jealous witch.
That's a great outlook to have in the start of a new regime
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Every day is a new day. I think it's good (and healthy) that we have Democratic Presidents and Republican Presidents. It allows the American public to see the real people behind the political rhetoric and the position of each party. The accomplishments and shortcoming of past presidents are lost in the history books that many voter fail to read. The past administration's failures will be brought front and center by the current liberal Democratic administration as will the failures of Obama by the conservative Republican party --- That's politics.
We have to understand that political parties don't lose. There are no sore losers. They continue to fight for their ideology as it should be. The rhetoric of the campaign has been very intense (more than I have ever experienced in my lifetime) and I expect to see some very disappointed people in the years ahead if they fail to understand that. The "I have a dream" approach to prosperity has become a reality and I expect that reality to disappoint many people. I'm trying to apply history and current conditions to determine what will happen next with the current administration. The rhetorical movement the current administration rode in on will soon vanish and policy and action will replace the beautifully delivered promises of "change". This will be a history lesson for all --- me included.
Fungo
We have to understand that political parties don't lose. There are no sore losers. They continue to fight for their ideology as it should be. The rhetoric of the campaign has been very intense (more than I have ever experienced in my lifetime) and I expect to see some very disappointed people in the years ahead if they fail to understand that. The "I have a dream" approach to prosperity has become a reality and I expect that reality to disappoint many people. I'm trying to apply history and current conditions to determine what will happen next with the current administration. The rhetorical movement the current administration rode in on will soon vanish and policy and action will replace the beautifully delivered promises of "change". This will be a history lesson for all --- me included.
Fungo
quote:Party's over...God help us all.
Not sure Wall Street got the party invite...DJ down 330 points, 4% today. Think they are tired of the talk, and want to see the walk!
quote:That's why I call them the extremists, they won't admit defeat, they want start a "under groud resistance" right away. Hannity is the leader of this so called "conservative in the trenches" movement. I just wondering what does this guy want?
Was there an underground resistance of liberals in the trenches the last 8 years?
P.S: All my remark has nothing to do with all the friends here in this baseball forum. We are baseball guys/gals. We talk politics but we will not be the extrenmists like those guys on TV/Radio.
Are you sure? Is your extremist another's pacifist? Blinders causes tunnel vision. As history shown, the extremists have ideas that while may be viewed as "outside the box" by some, may also have merit where through negotiation and partnership may be a big part of the "total fix". because Obama supporters says "I'm going to jump off the cliff" does not mean everyone should without good thought and planning. A lemming mentality only negates alternative thought.
I believe this has been a rational thread until Kbat entered flames a blaz'n with his rhetoric. There are plenty of far left extremists. They just don't have the visibility because even the middle of the road person can identify more with Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. than the far left.quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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Keep looking!
When I look in that mirror I see Olbermann, Maddow and Franken for starters. It would take a liberal state like Minnesota to vote Franken in. He's nothing but an editorialist and a satirist like Limbaugh. At least Limbaugh knows not to run.
It's amusing in one post you talk about working together, while in your next post you say ... we will get things done with or without them.quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:quote:Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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Couldn't agree more with that statement kbat!
yes, I am just getting tired of those sore losers.
Today's a new day, we will get things done with or without them. Let them keep quite and don't be the jealous witch.
It appears to me YOU haven't changed and YOU are one of the extremists.
If you're under the impression Bush is not an ideologue, we are looking at him through two radically different filters. His associations with the religious right, neocons, big business, and his military "solutions" speak to his strict ideology.
Obama is approaching the job as he successfully approached the campaign: as a community oranizer. I don't see extensive DC experience as an entirely good thing; he chose Biden for 'the ropes' necesary there.
I find it equally sad that you are unwilling to admit that there are numerous news sources with numerous biases. Each of us finds the ones that approximate and validate our world view; some of us take our news from more than one to determine our own balance.
By the way, how can you quote a media poll from a media you don't trust?
Actually, Obama has already chosen cabinet and staff members from both parties and had discussion-dinners from both sides of the aisle and the media. You decry his lack of experience and then criticize his choice of experienced people because they were part of Clinton's administraton. I'm not sure that Carter-experience staff would be appropriate (or alive), and you would probably be equally critical of a staff of neophytes. Can't win, can he?
No, the point about your comment that black people were interviewed so often does work, by the very fact that you thought it worthy of comment. Would you would have noticed if it had been only white people who were asked their opinion?
Whether the composition of any particular political roundtable is balanced or dominated by one side or the other depends entirely on the program involved and, I might add, on the viewpoint of the viewer. You might well deem someone 'far left' who I might call moderate, just as I might think of your moderate as 'right wing'. Again, we all look at the world through our own filters.
You "made your points on Fox" by expressing your opinion on that station. When their news reporters refer to Michelle Obama as Barack's "baby mama" and identify Larry Craig as a Democrat, I don't find them just reporting the news, but putting their slant on it.
All news stations have an editorial slant; none are above it. It's up to the viewer to recognize it as such.
Obama is approaching the job as he successfully approached the campaign: as a community oranizer. I don't see extensive DC experience as an entirely good thing; he chose Biden for 'the ropes' necesary there.
I find it equally sad that you are unwilling to admit that there are numerous news sources with numerous biases. Each of us finds the ones that approximate and validate our world view; some of us take our news from more than one to determine our own balance.
By the way, how can you quote a media poll from a media you don't trust?
Actually, Obama has already chosen cabinet and staff members from both parties and had discussion-dinners from both sides of the aisle and the media. You decry his lack of experience and then criticize his choice of experienced people because they were part of Clinton's administraton. I'm not sure that Carter-experience staff would be appropriate (or alive
), and you would probably be equally critical of a staff of neophytes. Can't win, can he? No, the point about your comment that black people were interviewed so often does work, by the very fact that you thought it worthy of comment. Would you would have noticed if it had been only white people who were asked their opinion?
Whether the composition of any particular political roundtable is balanced or dominated by one side or the other depends entirely on the program involved and, I might add, on the viewpoint of the viewer. You might well deem someone 'far left' who I might call moderate, just as I might think of your moderate as 'right wing'. Again, we all look at the world through our own filters.
You "made your points on Fox" by expressing your opinion on that station. When their news reporters refer to Michelle Obama as Barack's "baby mama" and identify Larry Craig as a Democrat, I don't find them just reporting the news, but putting their slant on it.
All news stations have an editorial slant; none are above it. It's up to the viewer to recognize it as such.
quote:They just don't have the visibility because even the middle of the road person can identify more with Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. than the far left.
RJM,
I am a moderate Republican and have been for years. Those two are leading me to think I don't belong. The more they talk, the more confident I am I don't share anything in common with them.
Please don't flatter them by thinking as you have posted. I cannot identify with any of their rigid, divisive ideology. If they represent the broad spectrum of the Republican party, I won't be in that party in 2010.
First I'm not trying to do a Bush versus Obama, You are. You've eliminated half of my sentence to invalidate my point and make yours.quote:If you're under the impression Bush is not an ideologue
The key phrase was "ideologue lacking political experience." Most politicians are ideologues. Obama was a state senator and spent two years in DC acting as a senator and two away from DC running for president. The lack of experience concerns me. He's never had to be a leader before.
"No, the point about your comment that black people were interviewed so often does work, by the very fact that you thought it worthy of comment. Would you would have noticed if it had been only white people who were asked their opinion?"
I didn't notice anything. I took your word for it and explained why it would happen. I don't see in black and white. It's those on the left who get more hung up about black and white.
"By the way, how can you quote a media poll from a media you don't trust?"
Did I say media poll? It wasn't a poll done of the media.
"All news stations have an editorial slant; none are above it. It's up to the viewer to recognize it as such."
The problem is too many people take it at face value as the truth.
"I find it equally sad that you are unwilling to admit that there are numerous news sources with numerous biases."
I don't undertand your statement so I can't respond. I did make a comment one of the problems today is news reporters don't report the news anymore. They editorialize. They should leave the editorials out of the news. They should leave the editorials to those paid to comment.
There was no attempt to flatter them. They are the recognized leaders in their industry. More than anything they're entertainers just like anyone else with a talk show. They need ratings or they're gone. I don't believe Limbaugh's and Hannity's views are much different from say, Dennis Prager or Michael Medved. Only the tone is different. It works for them. They have the two highest rated radio talk shows. When Hannity was only in New York I knew he was going to be big someday. I recognize them for the entertainers they are and filter out what I disagree with. That is if I happen to be listening.quote:Originally posted by infielddad:quote:They just don't have the visibility because even the middle of the road person can identify more with Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. than the far left.
RJM,
I am a moderate Republican and have been for years. Those two are leading me to think I don't belong. The more they talk, the more confident I am I don't share anything in common with them.
Please don't flatter them by thinking as you have posted. I cannot identify with any of their rigid, divisive ideology. If they represent the broad spectrum of the Republican party, I won't be in that party in 2010.
RJM,
On the one hand you are questioning the media, and then, on the other, you are suggesting ratings for Limbaugh and Hannity equates with "acceptance" in middle America.
I can only speak for this moderate. Their divisive ideology is nothing to which I relate. Ratings mean nothing in terms of their acceptance in middle America.
BTW, I am not sure I agree with your views on Obama and leadership. I listened to Jack Welch, a pretty respected leader, talk about the Obama campaign and how he so much admired how it was run. He talked about how corporate leaders would do well to emulate how everyone stayed on message.
Obama managed to win the Democratic primary against the Clinton's, then beat McCain, all over the course of 2 years. During that time he stayed on message and so did his campaign.
If you are looking for leadership, maybe you are not looking in the right places.
To contrast, LBJ and Nixon had lot's of experience. Is that what you think we need right now?
On the one hand you are questioning the media, and then, on the other, you are suggesting ratings for Limbaugh and Hannity equates with "acceptance" in middle America.
I can only speak for this moderate. Their divisive ideology is nothing to which I relate. Ratings mean nothing in terms of their acceptance in middle America.
BTW, I am not sure I agree with your views on Obama and leadership. I listened to Jack Welch, a pretty respected leader, talk about the Obama campaign and how he so much admired how it was run. He talked about how corporate leaders would do well to emulate how everyone stayed on message.
Obama managed to win the Democratic primary against the Clinton's, then beat McCain, all over the course of 2 years. During that time he stayed on message and so did his campaign.
If you are looking for leadership, maybe you are not looking in the right places.
To contrast, LBJ and Nixon had lot's of experience. Is that what you think we need right now?
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
“Bush was not an ideologue lacking political experience.
The 'lacking politcal experience' line is always loaded, and usually just means the speaker doesn't much care for the candidate.
Obama was as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, constitutional law professor, and state legislator before entering the Senate. He's dealt with problems from the neighborhod level to the state level to the federal level. Right now, we have problems in all those places.
Bush was a governor. He was also a failed businessman. Which one is "important" experience is based one's opinion of the man.
A candidate who spent many years in Congress might be seen as too steeped in DC politics and under the influence of too many lobbyists. So "experience" can become a negative.
Nobody has the breadth of experience required to be POTUS. That's why a president needs a quality cabinet and advisors -- trusted, but willing to challenge. I believe that is what Obama is assembling.
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You brought up Bush in comparison to Obama.
My error, it was rz who brought up the black man-on-the-street interview thing, not you. And I'd be willing to bet he's not "on the left"
RJM: "I find it sad the blatant one sidedness of the news is so prevalent on a day to day basis it’s not even recognized anymore. Are you aware 88% of the media is from the left (from a media poll)."
So...yes, you did.
I inferred from your comments on Fox that you are of the opinion that outside of their obvious pundit programs, they report their news "fair and balanced'. I disagree, and gave examples. I'm well aware that news outlets have an editorial slant and believe that people who give it any thought at all would agree. Problem is, a whole lotta people don't think
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infielddad makes an excellant point about the consistent leadership Obama showed in running his campaign --- thoughtfully, on message, and with a minimum of drama and a maximum of calm.
quote:Nobody has the breadth of experience required to be POTUS
Simply not true. Experience is not a requirement to be President. President BO is a great example of that. I think he is acutely aware of his lack of experience by selecting experienced people for his cabinet. That was a necessary move on his part. The future of this country depends on how he ALLOWS it to be led by those he appointed and that has yet to be established. It will be interesting and in my opinion a little unsettling to watch it play out. The ball is in his court.
Fungo
quote:Originally posted by piaa_ump:
Although I did not vote for Obama, however, once the election was settled, I became a supporter of the President of the United States ...all my efforts and prayers will be for the sucess of our country and for our duly elected leader...you see, I have no choice but to pray for his divine guidance....because as the new Commander in Chief, one of the assets that he commands is my only daughter......
The best and most poignant post in this long, rehashed and never ending thread. IMO.
Good luck to your daughter piaa!
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Orlando...I'm sorry to hear about that comment about Michelle made by someone on Fox News. That was totally inappropriate. And Larry Craig probably wishes he were a Democrat because then his indiscretion would not have been commented on. That's the truth.
And Fox News' marquee political discussion show is Fox News Sunday. It is hosted by Chris Wallace (Mike Wallace's son, not a conservative) and the discussion panel includes two NPR contributors - Juan Williams and Mara Liasson. Juan's commentary yesterday was especially poignant and moving. Both Williams and Liasson have been very informative and civil along with the even tempered and intelligent conservatives Brit Hume and Bill Kristol. Fox News Sunday... balanced...and fair...and always civil. Nice!
And I agree with Fungo's comments. And fillsfan's observation concerning piaa-ump is right on the mark. And pia-ump...please thank your daughter for her service to our country.
We're in this together folks...the more we get accomplished towards building a road back to prosperity the better we will be. Don't you agree?
Orlando...I'm sorry to hear about that comment about Michelle made by someone on Fox News. That was totally inappropriate. And Larry Craig probably wishes he were a Democrat because then his indiscretion would not have been commented on. That's the truth.
And Fox News' marquee political discussion show is Fox News Sunday. It is hosted by Chris Wallace (Mike Wallace's son, not a conservative) and the discussion panel includes two NPR contributors - Juan Williams and Mara Liasson. Juan's commentary yesterday was especially poignant and moving. Both Williams and Liasson have been very informative and civil along with the even tempered and intelligent conservatives Brit Hume and Bill Kristol. Fox News Sunday... balanced...and fair...and always civil. Nice!
And I agree with Fungo's comments. And fillsfan's observation concerning piaa-ump is right on the mark. And pia-ump...please thank your daughter for her service to our country.
We're in this together folks...the more we get accomplished towards building a road back to prosperity the better we will be. Don't you agree?
Took in all of the sights yesterday and was very proud of our school asking us to "turn the TVs on and let the kids partake in the moment." Of course that also included a lot of discussion which was fantastic! I watched Fox and didn't hear the comments Orlando spoke of although I'm certain Orlando's example has merit. There was other coverage on Fox that was top notch. The interview with Jim Brown was exceptional. He spoke of "the struggle" mentioning his days at Syracruse, the Civil Rights Movement... THEN he asked Americans to view this as an historical event BUT also asked that everyone realize that his joy was not simply this historical event BUT his hope for a new direction in government. Again, it was top notch.
Today is also a new day! BHO, as many are calling him, now must step up to the plate. He may have the highest expectations since FDR. That's a steep hill to climb. He will find out quickly enough that Americans have short term memories and that the joy of yesterday will be forgotten should he not move quickly. JMHO!
Today is also a new day! BHO, as many are calling him, now must step up to the plate. He may have the highest expectations since FDR. That's a steep hill to climb. He will find out quickly enough that Americans have short term memories and that the joy of yesterday will be forgotten should he not move quickly. JMHO!
Not sure what good talking Bush vs Obama does. That was never a choice, Obama's the President. Think it's time to move forward and focus on that.
The election was a feel good point in American history that ended last night as the final ball closed. Now it's the real thing...we've moved straight from spring training scrimmages to the Super Bowl (sorry to mix sports). Experience or not, he's our leader...the starting QB we picked. Lead the way...plow through the criticism (it will come, you're never loved forever...if you're not ticking some people off on both sides you're not doing a good job).
He has the best starting point of any President in history for him, personally, to be successful. Low starting point, high support levels from the people, favorable press, majority in congress, stimulous programs that enable him to push his agenda forward faster than any President in history. If he's as smart as everyone thinks and the leader people hope, he'll be wildly successful (and so will we!). If not and he's in over his head, God help us all as what we have now will look like a picnic.
The election was a feel good point in American history that ended last night as the final ball closed. Now it's the real thing...we've moved straight from spring training scrimmages to the Super Bowl (sorry to mix sports). Experience or not, he's our leader...the starting QB we picked. Lead the way...plow through the criticism (it will come, you're never loved forever...if you're not ticking some people off on both sides you're not doing a good job).
He has the best starting point of any President in history for him, personally, to be successful. Low starting point, high support levels from the people, favorable press, majority in congress, stimulous programs that enable him to push his agenda forward faster than any President in history. If he's as smart as everyone thinks and the leader people hope, he'll be wildly successful (and so will we!). If not and he's in over his head, God help us all as what we have now will look like a picnic.
Orlando....
It appears you want to nit pick and cause a confrontation. I've been cautiously attempting to post my opionion on situations. Anything you say isn't going to change my opinions.
I was not attempting to compare Bush to Obama. Talk about not moving on! Regardless of Bush's background (which was not any part at all of my original discussion) There is no denying Obama is an ideologuwe with very little political experience. It's a fact. Bring up Bush is not going to change it.
I typoed when I commented on the poll of media people. In my response I corrected myself calling it a poll of the media. Please forgive me for mistyping it the first time.
Regarding FOX, I NEVER said their reporting is fair and balanced. I DID say when FOX has political roundtables they are the only network I've seen that balances the table with an equal number from each side (right and left).
Wow! Was my original post ever twisted into something it wasn't.
It WAS:
1) Obama is inexperienced
2) A poll of the media showed 88% are Dems
3) Fox usuallybalances their roundtable discussions with equal numbers, which other networks don't do.
Nothing you've done to twist and change my words and twist and change the topic by bring Bush into the discussion changes anything.
Get over Bush. He's gone. remember "Change."
Now how do you feel the Obama's first act as president was to delay the trials of terrorists who killed Americans? I heard it on the news this morning. Not a talk show. Are there more pressing issues in this country than compassion for terrorists? In my eyes, that's a bad start with the American public.
End of conversation.
It appears you want to nit pick and cause a confrontation. I've been cautiously attempting to post my opionion on situations. Anything you say isn't going to change my opinions.
I was not attempting to compare Bush to Obama. Talk about not moving on! Regardless of Bush's background (which was not any part at all of my original discussion) There is no denying Obama is an ideologuwe with very little political experience. It's a fact. Bring up Bush is not going to change it.
I typoed when I commented on the poll of media people. In my response I corrected myself calling it a poll of the media. Please forgive me for mistyping it the first time.
Regarding FOX, I NEVER said their reporting is fair and balanced. I DID say when FOX has political roundtables they are the only network I've seen that balances the table with an equal number from each side (right and left).
Wow! Was my original post ever twisted into something it wasn't.
It WAS:
1) Obama is inexperienced
2) A poll of the media showed 88% are Dems
3) Fox usuallybalances their roundtable discussions with equal numbers, which other networks don't do.
Nothing you've done to twist and change my words and twist and change the topic by bring Bush into the discussion changes anything.
Get over Bush. He's gone. remember "Change."
Now how do you feel the Obama's first act as president was to delay the trials of terrorists who killed Americans? I heard it on the news this morning. Not a talk show. Are there more pressing issues in this country than compassion for terrorists? In my eyes, that's a bad start with the American public.
End of conversation.
I already have my bumper sticker ready:
"DON'T BLAME ME FOR THIS MESS, I VOTED FOR MCCAIN!"
"DON'T BLAME ME FOR THIS MESS, I VOTED FOR MCCAIN!"
I believe Obama ran a masterful campaign. It was a great business plan. There's no doubt in my mind a businessman like Welch would admire the job done. I'm surprised you like Welch. He's an extremist in the business world.quote:I listened to Jack Welch, a pretty respected leader, talk about the Obama campaign and how he so much admired how it was run.
But it doesn't give Obama experience to run the country. Never confuse talk with results. How do you feel Obama's first act as president was to delay the trials of terrorists who killed American's? I heard it on the news. While there may be a need to do so, is this the most pressing issue on the American public's mind right now?
quote:Originally posted by wellswood:
I already have my bumper sticker ready:
"DON'T BLAME ME FOR THIS MESS, I VOTED FOR MCCAIN!"
Kind of like the folks who are now tearing off the I VOTED FOR KERRY STICKERS!
How ironic that the republican wants to close the chapter and move ahead and the democrate keeps bringing up the past. This is the sort of opposition I think Obama's going to find from his own party in congress.
Tx, it's starting out as though it could be a long four years! 
quote:Tx, it's starting out as though it could be a long four years!
Belessed be the peacemakers. How 'bout those Mavericks? Looks like they will get to face the Longhorns without Augie. You might catch them off guard and sweep them!
I believe Obama is a very intelligent man. So was Carter. It takes more than intelligence. The question will be can he lead. The leaders of the majority in the House and Senate are liberal Dems. Is the typical American person on board with these people? This is what Obama has to deal with.quote:If he's as smart as everyone thinks and the leader people hope, he'll be wildly successful (and so will we!).
Obama got as far as he has being one of them. His political past is very liberal. DC is full of deal making. I wonder what deals Obama made, and with whom to help get him elected.
If he's not blowing smoke now, he realizes a president must lead from the middle. We'll see.
Best post of the thread....
A little something for everyone in there...a little more of this, and maybe we have a chance. Turn the page!
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I admit that I voted for McCain. He didn't win, so now I'm a huge supporter of Obama. It would be great if everyone supported our president. At least, until he proves he is not worthy of that support. I hope this president can actually pull the country together, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
I know people don’t want to talk about race, but this is a very big day for racial equality. This speaks volumes about how far America has come. I’m actually very proud to be an American today.
A little something for everyone in there...a little more of this, and maybe we have a chance. Turn the page!
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If he's as smart as everyone thinks and the leader people hope, he'll be wildly successful (and so will we!).
I believe Obama is a very intelligent man. So was Carter. It takes more than intelligence. The question will be can he lead. The leaders of the majority in the House and Senate are liberal Dems. Is the typical American person on board with these people? This is what Obama has to deal with.
Obama got as far as he has being one of them. His political past is very liberal. DC is full of deal making. I wonder what deals Obama made, and with whom to help get him elected.
If he's not blowing smoke now, he realizes a president must lead from the middle. We'll see.
Agree with you RJM...this is why I've been saying Obama will see opposition from his own party. The most liberals that want to stick it to the right and push their agenda. I think he will try to moderate. You're spot on the deals Obama's made...that brings us back to another thread about the Chicago combine. Interesting times....just wish they were not so hard on my portfolio.
George Carlin's approach is amusing. "Don't blame me. I didn't vote."quote:"DON'T BLAME ME FOR THIS MESS, I VOTED FOR MCCAIN!"
I voted for Mitt Romney in the primary even though at that point it was a foregone conclussion McCain would win the nomination. I liked the idea of a successful businessman who was able to lead a very liberal state (Mass) as a Republican.
quote:Belessed be the peacemakers. How 'bout those Mavericks? Looks like they will get to face the Longhorns without Augie. You might catch them off guard and sweep them!
Tx, fortunately we only play them one game. I think after beating them last year they will be ready.
Our problem is Fri- Sat we have our opening season tournament and will probably use a lot of pitching.
Then we get to turn around Tuesday and head to Austin to play the Horns. Regardless, it's gonna be fun!!
Back on topic, sorry for the short baseball tangent.
Did you hear Reggie Miller's (ex-Indy Pacer) critique of Obama'a basketball game? True story, coming from an Obama supporter (so don't shoot me, the messenger). The report asked Miller how he would defend Obama. Miller's answer, "easy, force him to his right. he can't go right. he can only go to his left." It was a serious basketball comment, but the irony was funny.
Did you hear Reggie Miller's (ex-Indy Pacer) critique of Obama'a basketball game? True story, coming from an Obama supporter (so don't shoot me, the messenger). The report asked Miller how he would defend Obama. Miller's answer, "easy, force him to his right. he can't go right. he can only go to his left." It was a serious basketball comment, but the irony was funny.
RJM, you're engaging in some revisionist posting. Check your own posts; you reference Bush repeatedly before I posted.
"There is no denying Obama is an ideologuwe with very little political experience. It's a fact." No, that's your opinion. Try to see the difference between fact and opinion.
Actually, Obama's first act as president was to issue a proclamation calling on Americans to serve one another and our common purpose on a National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation. Aren't you the one who wants to see news rather than editorializing? Were you the one bringing up Brokaw?
How do I feel about Obama supporting Due Process? Good, actually. Because although they might well be guilty, saying "delay the trials of terrorists who killed Americans" rather indicates that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing isn't a priority with you. And I care a whole lot less about whether these people are US citizens than whether we as a people and as represented by our government respect our own laws and ideals.
"There is no denying Obama is an ideologuwe with very little political experience. It's a fact." No, that's your opinion. Try to see the difference between fact and opinion.
Actually, Obama's first act as president was to issue a proclamation calling on Americans to serve one another and our common purpose on a National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation. Aren't you the one who wants to see news rather than editorializing? Were you the one bringing up Brokaw?
How do I feel about Obama supporting Due Process? Good, actually. Because although they might well be guilty, saying "delay the trials of terrorists who killed Americans" rather indicates that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing isn't a priority with you. And I care a whole lot less about whether these people are US citizens than whether we as a people and as represented by our government respect our own laws and ideals.
Bottomline, BO just sighned a phat 4 year contract with a no trade clause. And Bush 43's stats will likely not get him into the HOF. On the plus side 43's presdential library should fit into a double wide, that should save some money.