Troll, accidental troll or just plain lying?

3FingeredGlove,

I always respect your opinions. You might be right about OCB, but I just posted something on the other thread that I feel is also right. OCB, just happens to be involved deeply in that discussion, but my feelings would be the same with or without OCB.

Maybe I need another definition of "Troll". Other than bragging about his kid (we hear that daily) and talking about some things we can't understand... I don't see where he has hurt anyone in any way. Maybe he IS just having some fun, who knows.

3F ... I agree with your post. But real or not in this situation, these dads exist. The advice in the threads is good. There's varying advice from different perspectives. The information had value for those over the top dads who may see themsevlves in the picture.

As I said "things don't add up". I stopped posting on his threads. Posters started with great advice and it turned to insults. I also felt we were being lied to.

I admit, I was one of the insultees. Sorry, it just didn't add up, especially if you looked at his previous posts.

I agree, I have been here a really long time and it just doesn't add up. I thought that from the beginning. It doesn't make sense, has had pervious experience with all of this yet comes on asking too many questions, and doesn't know his facts.
There is something that gives it away more than anything, the way he posts to some and the way he posts to others.
Maybe that's why I am being so relentless.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
In a little less than past two weeks, OCB has started two threads in this forum, which have generated a lot of traffic.

In the first, his complaint is that USSSA wouldn't allow his 10 year old to play in a AA class tournament because the boy had played on Major classification teams. (USSSA rule 3.9 prohibits players who have played up a year or more from going down in classification in their own age group.) OCB purportedly couldn't fathom why the TD made that ruling. "Now my son is 10 years old, he is not a homerun hitter or a pitcher. He is just a solid ball player." OCB goes on to request advice: "So my question to most of you is how would you handle this. Do you just let it go and allow them to apply the rules only to a certain few? Would you pursue this legally? Do you try to rally media, friends and peers to combat this? What do you tell your kid?"

In the second thread he makes this claim: "How many 10 year olds you know that can tee off on an 85mph machine and turning on inside pitches from 55ft. How many 10 year olds you know that has played against 13 and 14 yr olds that go 2 for 2 or 2 for 3 hitting and is considered by kids at that age as being a tough out. How many 10 yr olds you know that workout on a 60/90 field from SS that can make the throw from the deep hole on a line to 1st. How many 10 yr olds that play up in the 12u bracket you know that has zero strike outs in his last 43 at bats."

These two posts simply do not jibe. In fact, at least one is a fabrication. Any kid who can throw on a line from the hole on a full-size field has no business in a 10 year old AA tournament. Nobody could believe otherwise, or contemplate legal action to force his participation.

So, is OCB a troll, making up a scenario for his amusement? An accidental troll, having started out with a genuine (however misguided) post, and ending up goaded into telling some whoppers?

I don't know.
One thing I do know: I really don't like being lied to in these forums.

Hey 3 finger. Why dont you believe. Is it because maybe a few of those things that 10 year old can do maybe your 14,15 or 16 year old cant? Do you not think I understand how rare/unusual some of these events are for a 10 yr old..LMAO anyone who knows anything about baseball would. Why do you think I am so proud as a father. Also how stupid would someone have to be to make this kind of $$$$ up and post it LMAO, you cant be that dumb.

Also again lets turn the tables here for one sec. Why start a thread that has nothing more to do than to try and degrade and slander another member. What are your motives??? You dont agree with the post then dont respond. You think its BS what a poster says then laugh at it and dont respond. But I can tell you now you are the one with the motive here not I.

PGstaff first 3finger needs to learn what a troll is before accusing someone or using an internet definition and trying to apply it to me or anyone else LOL. A troll is someone who comes in to a board and trys to take over various threads with no real intention of offering any real advice or commentary.

So 3finger you dont like being lied to and I dont like being called a liar and slandered. The differnce is I can prove what I have said. The only downside of being able to prove it is I would want something back in return.

Is this really worth another thread?

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Is it because maybe a few of those things that 10 year old can do maybe your 14,15 or 16 year old cant?

I can't help it. This is funny.

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These three threads remind me of one of those old westerns where the cowboys get thrown across the bar, tumble out into the street, exchange a few and fall through the window of another establishment, and keep going at it.

You want something back in return for what?

How about puttin' up OCB, make a very significant contribution to the HSBBW, because I haven't read anything that you have contributed here.

Then go ahead and post some videos of your son doing what you say he does. We will take back the troll stuff.

Groan....
I put this in a separate thread because I'm willing to believe that a 10 year old can perform at a very high level relative to his age, and I can choose to not doubt OCB on that point.

Or, I'm willing to believe that a 10 year old kid has been unfairly denied the opportunity to participate in a 10 year old AA (two grades down from Major) classification tournament.

But it is impossible to believe both for the same kid. And that's why I'm calling out OCB--one of the two scenarios (or maybe both) are fabricated.

As I said, I don't like being lied to. So yes, I do think it is worth a thread.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
Groan....
I put this in a separate thread because I'm willing to believe that a 10 year old can perform at a very high level relative to his age, and I can choose to not doubt OCB on that point.

Or, I'm willing to believe that a 10 year old kid has been unfairly denied the opportunity to participate in a 10 year old AA (two grades down from Major) classification tournament.

But it is impossible to believe both for the same kid. And that's why I'm calling out OCB--one of the two scenarios (or maybe both) are fabricated.

As I said, I don't like being lied to. So yes, I do think it is worth a thread.

Let me try this for the LAST TIME.

He was denied playing in a AA tournament because of the major history this is true. The reason he was going to play in a AA tournament was because a friend of mine had 2 kids get sick the night before the tournament and he only had 8 players because of those kids getting sick.

I would not allow my son to play AA full time because its not his division. However my complaint was because my son was denied and yet other AA teams in that tournament had stacked up with major players. So if you have any common sense at all you should be able to ask yourself why were those other major classification players allowed to play for those other AA teams and why wasnt mine.

Plus again you didnt read the thread very well. If you had you would of known it was an 11u AA tournament not 10u.

I cant make you understand something if you cant even read it correctly. Again we all know what we become when we make ***-umptions.

Believe it or not it doesnt matter the one thing however I wont allow is being called a liar.

Captain Bligh: Mr Christian flogg that man!

Fletcher Christian: But sir, he's dead.

Captain Bligh: I said flogg that man Mr. Christian.

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Originally posted by cball:
Captain Bligh: Mr Christian flogg that man!

Fletcher Christian: But sir, he's dead.

Captain Bligh: I said flogg that man Mr. Christian.

LMAO now thats funny. By the way I wont be responding again till late tonight. We have practice and wont be back till late. Enjoy.

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Originally posted by cball:
Captain Bligh: Mr Christian flogg that man!

Fletcher Christian: But sir, he's dead.

Captain Bligh: I said flogg that man Mr. Christian.

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Originally posted by OCB:
Let me try this for the LAST TIME.

He was denied playing in a AA tournament because of the major history this is true. The reason he was going to play in a AA tournament was because a friend of mine had 2 kids get sick the night before the tournament and he only had 8 players because of those kids getting sick.

I would not allow my son to play AA full time because its not his division. However my complaint was because my son was denied and yet other AA teams in that tournament had stacked up with major players. So if you have any common sense at all you should be able to ask yourself why were those other major classification players allowed to play for those other AA teams and why wasnt mine.

Plus again you didnt read the thread very well. If you had you would of known it was an 11u AA tournament not 10u.

We heard ya the first time, you had comments on it, that it was against the rules to do so, but you wanted to know how come it's ok for some and not others.
Obviously, the TD has got an issue with you, huh, that's why you want to get out of town, you feel that the issues yo uhave created might stagnate your son's development or his love for the game.
You came here whining. The answers you got was because most here don't like whiners and your son is paying the price for whatever you did to cause those issues. We got it.
Do you?

I feel left out so I guess I'll chime in. Strange how this guy has an answer for everything. First members comment how hard it would be to transfer cities with a job and lifestyle at stake and OCB solves that one by stating he's retired at 45 and so rich he doesn't have to worry about it. Someone mentions Las Vegas and he states he has a home there already. First his son is just a good solid player then when things heat up, he's the second coming of Bryce Harper. He has everything and gets everything but he's still the greatest kid imaginable. He practices for hours on end but its all his idea. Everything is just too good and he wonders why people doubt him. I live 85 miles form Houston and my boys have played there many times. If he thinks it will be any different there than where he comes from then he's sadly mistaken.
All this really doesn't matter since on the internet you can be whoever you want to be and some times its hard to tell the true stories from the wannabes. If this guy is really all he says then why doesn't he put a wad of that cash down and build his own team around his son. According to him, he's got the cash, the time, the expertise, the connections to make a go of it. Oh but that might make his kid think it was all about him

Ya know...they really love baseball up in the northern part of North Dakota...

I MAY have 2 knickels to rub together after this economy begins (if ever) to make a come back. Never have enough with young'un's around.

But if My son had these talents at 10, heck, I'd be calling ole Boras to see what he might think. A snake talking to a snake oil salesman! LOL

Really? On a rope to 1st deep in the hole? Whew, I'd pay to see that. He just might be the 2nd coming of Sid Finch!

YGD

3FG,
I just think he's so over the top boastful he goes too far with his stuff. So I guess that would qualify it as accidental troll.

It's way out there, that's for sure.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
I feel left out so I guess I'll chime in. Strange how this guy has an answer for everything. First members comment how hard it would be to transfer cities with a job and lifestyle at stake and OCB solves that one by stating he's retired at 45 and so rich he doesn't have to worry about it.

Maybe I should have said I own a flying carpet and therefore it wouldnt cost me anything. LMAO can people really be this stupid. Did I bring up I was retired before some one posted and suggested it might not be wise to move for financial reasons?

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someone mentions Las Vegas and he states he has a home there already.

Again how stupid can some one be LOL. read the post the poster was telling me about Las Vegas. Since I do own a home there by mentioning this I figure the guy or gal will understand that I know a little something about LV. If some one told you they had a home in Inez Texas would you expand your answer to them to include info about the city if you decided to respond more to a question of theirs. If so then your User name Three Bagger must reference huffing and not baseball.

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first his son is just a good solid player then when things heat up, he's the second coming of Bryce Harper.

Of course I respond he is a solid ball player. Why come on bagger stop the huffing and really get your head in to this one. No one was accusing me of bragging about my son at that time and to be honest I dont have to brag about my son to a bunch of strangers. However since I was being accused of it I thought hell lets give it to them. Again step back from the paint can and really use the cognitive ability god gave you unless he short changed you.

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He has everything and gets everything but he's still the greatest kid imaginable.

Sure he gets spoiled if your kid doesnt or didnt is that my fault and should I feel bad for him or her. Just because you watch Jerry Springer with a bag in one hand and a paint can in the other doesnt mean kids who are spoiled are not good kids or kids that arent spoiled are good kids.

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All this really doesn't matter since on the internet you can be whoever you want to be and some times its hard to tell the true stories from the wannabes.

You are right but then again I bet if some one sounds like they have a better life than you it cant be true can it. Oops pot shot.

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If this guy is really all he says then why doesn't he put a wad of that cash down and build his own team around his son.

Because doing so would go against a lot of what I stand for. There are too many dads in youth ball doing the same thing and all that ends up happening is the team rips its self apart. 2 of the top teams in the country last season did that here and neither are together now and the one started this year from those two teams rosters will and is having the same thing happen now.

To the rest who have posted negatively here it is in a nutshell.

Whether you agree with me or not. My Life Stays The Same.

Whether you think I am lying or Not, My Life Stays The Same.

Whether my kid is better than yours or yours is better than mine. My Life Stays The Same.

Whether I participate on this forum or Not. My Life Stays The Same.

Whether you respect my opinions or not. My Life Stays The Same.

Whether you insult me or you dont. My Life Stays The Same.

See what most of the negative posters dont understand is that on the internet when some one feels the need to attack some one with negative connotations it usually means they feel inferior to something or some one within their life and need to try and project a persona of superiority to rid themselves of negative feelings they have about their own life. Its deep and I am sure those who have been negative dont have the brain cells to fully understand.

I do however appreciate those who have tried to offer good advice even when we disagreed. To those who continue to battle their own persona demons. May your heart, mind and soul find peace one day.

You might think you're something big in Orlando but you'll just be another nobody in Houston. I'll call your bluff. When you come down to check out Houston, I'll meet you anywhere there,and you bring your kid and if he can do all the things you claim I'll be the first one on this site to proclaim I've seen a true superstar. You contact me through a PM and we'll see. You can even come over and we'll watch Jerry Springer together. But personally I would rather "Your life would stay the Same" in Florida since we've already got a lot of people on our Texas welfare roles coming from another direction.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
You might think you're something big in Orlando but you'll just be another nobody in Houston. I'll call your bluff. When you come down to check out Houston, I'll meet you anywhere there,and you bring your kid and if he can do all the things you claim I'll be the first one on this site to proclaim I've seen a true superstar. You contact me through a PM and we'll see. You can even come over and we'll watch Jerry Springer together. But personally I would rather "Your life would stay the Same" in Florida since we've already got a lot of people on our Texas welfare roles coming from another direction.

Whats wrong Bagger those trailer walls closing in on you. It wont be long those rabbit ears will soon pick up the Springer show but in the mean time walk down to the seven eleven and buy ya another bottle of mad dog 20/20

OCB, Just because I feel your full of it you had to start with Springer and trailer trash insults. You have to be an idiot in the first place for asking your original question. Cut the BS and answer me--where in Houston do you want to meet. I'll bring a pitching machine if needed, but the thing I want to really see is that incredible arm from SS. Thats all I have to see and I'll not only say I was wrong but I'll let everyone on this site know it if your son can fire bullets to first from deep in the hole on a regulation field Personally I'm glad my boys are not spoiled and I'll put them up against yours in anything you want. They seem to appreciate things they get when they have to work for them. If you don't get why people think your full of it, then you're too dense for me.

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Originally posted by OCB:
LMAO can people really be this stupid.

Again how stupid can some one be LOL.

If so then your User name Three Bagger must reference huffing and not baseball.

Again step back from the paint can and really use the cognitive ability god gave you unless he short changed you.

Just because you watch Jerry Springer with a bag in one hand and a paint can

And then posts.

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See what most of the negative posters dont understand is that on the internet when some one feels the need to attack some one with negative connotations it usually means they feel inferior to something or some one within their life and need to try and project a persona of superiority to rid themselves of negative feelings they have about their own life. Its deep and I am sure those who have been negative dont have the brain cells to fully understand.

OK????

Talk about calling the kettle black. Well I've got to go, Springer's on. Most of the people I know that truly watch that kind of show are people who sit around with a lot of time on their hands like my old Orlando buddy. If he comes to Houston at least he can find work wearing the same work clothes he used to wear in Orlando. That big Mouse outfit will be popular at Chuck E Cheese's.

If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a noise?

I offered my two cents earlier--start youir own team---now I close with this--I know I do not have or may not have what you, OCB, purportedly have but I know I like my life better than yours

I just hope your son makes it thru all this nonsense you have created because right now he is certainly not a normal 10 year old

Ok so OCB has sparked my interest - I have pulled some of his past quotes from posts. All I can say is, Wow. I left out some others.

• My son as of this weekend has played 158 games in 11 months.- Posted June 1 09

• I not only played high school and college baseball, but I have also coached at those levels. I know a hell of a lot more than the average person. Posted June 1 09

• here that in Florida we have a lot of kids doing things that most kids in other parts of the country dont do.My son at 9 yrs old was hitting 85mph fastballs, its not normal but there are some kids here in Florida that are just freaks of nature.

• My son started playing baseball a year ago. As a 9 yr old he hits off an 85mph iron mike pitching machine that throws the ball up, down, in and out. When he is in the cages a lot of the high school kids that come there to hit stand behind the gate and watch him in disbelief.

• He is not a pitcher but at 9 he threw 57mph.

• When he works out he hits 400 to 600 balls per 3 days per week. He does 700 push ups and 500 sit ups per week. He works the speed ladder. He works with a hitting instructor 2 hours a week. His brother who played in the Dodger and Cardinal organizations as a SS works with him on the field with his infield mechanics.

By the way, Iron Mike machines throw right down the middle, not a lot of variance, and most pros only use it for form. Being able to hit off of one is no great feat for a 10 yr old. Being able to hit off a live pitcher throwing 85 and mixing it up, is.

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He is not a pitcher but at 9 he threw 57mph.

And one year later he's increased his throwing velocity so much he's throwing balls on a line to first from the shortstop hole. 57 mph is throwing hard for a nine year old. But it's conceivable. The 80 mph one year later to throw on a line from the shorststop hole is not. There's a flaw in his 300 feet/90 mph theory. That's long toss, not throwing on a line.

My son's 9U team had a couple of pitchers throwing in the mid 50's. They peaked in the mid 60's when they stopped growing. They were bigger and stronger than the other kids at nine. The reason I know these kids threw in the mid 50's is their dads gunned them at their pitching lessons. I have no idea what my son's velocity was at nine, nor did I care. These two kids threw from short to first accurately on a line on the 46/60 field. But it was not on a line from the hole.

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Originally posted by ...:
Ok so OCB has sparked my interest - I have pulled some of his past quotes from posts. All I can say is, Wow. I left out some others.

• My son as of this weekend has played 158 games in 11 months.- Posted June 1 09

• I not only played high school and college baseball, but I have also coached at those levels. I know a hell of a lot more than the average person. Posted June 1 09

• here that in Florida we have a lot of kids doing things that most kids in other parts of the country dont do.My son at 9 yrs old was hitting 85mph fastballs, its not normal but there are some kids here in Florida that are just freaks of nature.

• My son started playing baseball a year ago. As a 9 yr old he hits off an 85mph iron mike pitching machine that throws the ball up, down, in and out. When he is in the cages a lot of the high school kids that come there to hit stand behind the gate and watch him in disbelief.

• He is not a pitcher but at 9 he threw 57mph.

• When he works out he hits 400 to 600 balls per 3 days per week. He does 700 push ups and 500 sit ups per week. He works the speed ladder. He works with a hitting instructor 2 hours a week. His brother who played in the Dodger and Cardinal organizations as a SS works with him on the field with his infield mechanics.

Triple Dot,

I think I just peed myself laughing so hard!!!!

I can't remember...

Is it George Strait that sings about having some ocean front property in Arizona...??

I’d like to say that it’s time for everyone to get off OCB’s back. It’s clear that most of you are simply jealous of his wealth and his son’s accomplishments at a young age. Just because your sons may play college baseball or professional baseball doesn’t mean you know what it’s like to have to compete in the top-tier 10U leagues.

It’s a heavy, heavy burden having a gifted child. I know exactly what he’s going through because I’ve faced many of the same issues. My 3-year-old son Timmy can’t find a baseball situation that suits his unique skills either. Last spring he played for the first time in an organized T-ball league. He wasn’t old enough to join at the time, but I got him a waiver from the league board after a tryout in which he hit quite a few 150-foot bombs off the T over the 120-foot rope in center. He quickly became the dominant player in the league. He batted .986 with 47 homers and 118 RBIs, and that was just in 12 games! His team won the league title by 20-run ruling all of the teams except one, and in that game, he was responsible for 18 6-3 putouts, most of them on throws from deep in the hole. The league ended up kicking me out and actually banning my son when I made most of the other kids cry on final ceremony day.

But clearly Timmy needed a higher level of competition anyway so I took him to a 6U showcase, which featured many of the area’s top 6U travel coaches as well as a couple of big-name middle-school coaches who were in search of prospects for down the road.

At the showcase workout, Timmy ran a 2.13 20-yard dash, which brought disbelief from the assembled scouts. So they made him run it again and he clocked a 2.09! For the BP portion, they brought in a 7-year-old who threw cheddar – no, wait, he threw mozzarella – and Timmy stroked one ball after another into the gaps. With a wood bat! After it was over, the scouts first tried to saddle him with a 10 rating (on a 1 to 10 scale), but after I screamed at them for 30 minutes, they bumped it up to a 10.5.

Normally I don’t brag about Timmy or my $20 million mansion or my yacht or my Lear jet or my new fiancé (a 22-year-old former Hooters waitress, by the way), but I am proud of Timmy’s accomplishments. He’s so dedicated to the game. He practices baseball in four-hour intervals, takes a one-hour nap, and then gets back to baseball. This is 24 hours around the clock! He quit pre-school at age 2 so he could work out full-time with a trainer and a former major-league hitting coach. I don’t want to boast about his training regimen, but I’ve seen him bench-press his toy chest (full of toys, now) and do 20 reps easy.

But here’s my question and why I need the advice of you jealous daddy-ball types here at the HSBBW. Where can I move where Timmy will be allowed to bat in all nine spots in the order? The 6U showcase team he joined -- the Bammin’ Slammerz, fully sponsored by Mizuno and Tonka – refuses to give him a fair shake. And they’ve also denied my reasonable request to rename the team the Bammin’ Timmys. The coach, who plays his triplets in the outfield, his first set of twins on the corners and his second set of twins as the battery, simply refuses to let Timmy bat more than twice in the lineup even though he plays short and second! There’s no reason Timmy couldn’t at least DH for the weak-hitting triplet in right, too.

I need to move where his talents will be fully appreciated and he will be allowed to develop at a pace that will put in the big leagues by the time he’s 15 or so. Is that a reasonable time table? Never mind, silly question. This is Timmy I’m talking about. So please let me know what you think. I’m all ears.

LOL---that about says it all

Real advice for OCB ...

Now that you've been spanked, back up a little bit, relax, become part of the board instead of fighting it, and learn.

Thank you all for keeping things interesting here in the off season. Us hsbbweb "addicts" need our daily fix.

Troll or not, relax and enjoy the fun you're having with your child and let go of the heavy expectations you are putting on him. Keep pushing and you'll push him right out of baseball.

I think its time to let these two threads die off. OCB dont respond anymore to these threads and let them die off. As RJM said just become part of the site and learn like the rest of us and contribute as well. Its time to move on and allow OCB an opportunity to become a part of this site instead of fighting this site.

And catfish342 that was hilarious. Ok time to move on imho.

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Originally posted by catfish342:


But here’s my question and why I need the advice of you jealous daddy-ball types here at the HSBBW. Where can I move where Timmy will be allowed to bat in all nine spots in the order? The 6U showcase team he joined -- the Bammin’ Slammerz, fully sponsored by Mizuno and Tonka – refuses to give him a fair shake. And they’ve also denied my reasonable request to rename the team the Bammin’ Timmys. The coach, who plays his triplets in the outfield, his first set of twins on the corners and his second set of twins as the battery, simply refuses to let Timmy bat more than twice in the lineup even though he plays short and second! There’s no reason Timmy couldn’t at least DH for the weak-hitting triplet in right, too.

I don't care who you are, that's funny..

I have been a reader of the HSBW site for a year or so but have never posted anything. Recently I logged on and read some of the recent posts and I don't really care about most of the conversation but I am interested in the below rule. Is this a new rule or old one that is no longer? The most recent rules that I can find on USSSA.org are those for 2009 that were edited in August 2008 and section 3 only goes up to 3.24 not 3.9. I am curious because it could potentially affect my son and our team.

Many thanks.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
(USSSA rule 3.9 prohibits players who have played up a year or more from going down in classification in their own age group.)