@GSully1 - my 2022 is a catcher so I sorta/kinda pay attention to other 22 C's in our area (PA/NJ/NY). And, I can tell you that there are many who don't have your son's size and numbers who are already committed to D1s and D2s already.
Don't get caught without a chair when the music stops. If he has an offer and it checks most of the important boxes, don't wait for something better because it might not be coming.
Best of luck.
@GSully1 posted:The other D1 schools he's reached out to haven't done much with their 22 recruiting per PG and PBR.
I had a quick look on PG, it's true that there are some D1 schools who don't list many 2022 recruits (4 or fewer) right now. E.g. Hofstra, Georgetown, Binghamton, Albany, Merrimack, Miami OH, etc. Can those who know suggest whether this means they are still recruiting, or whether there are other reasons why schools like that might not have many recruits listed?
He doesn’t need to be standing when the music stops for sure. He’s sent info to Georgetown and GW, no replies. Miami OH has 5 commits, 2 Cs in his class per PBR. He was talking to them, but went with different C in the fall. Was told he was late in getting on their radar. None of the other schools anotherparent lists have contacted him.
I didn't mean to suggest anything specific about those schools for your son, GSully1. I just was asking, for general information, what it means when a D1 school doesn't list many commitments at this time of year. I would hope that that doesn't lead people to think there might still be spots, when there are not.
Ok thanks for the clarification.
You have to understand that with the 3000+ transfer portal, Juco transfers, extra years of eligibility (1 for NCAA, 2 for Juco), etc, most programs could actually afford to take the entire 2022 recruiting class off. Now, are programs doing that? Not likely. But just about every program could afford to without suffering and many are bringing in very few 2022s. I would not look at any program who only shows like 3-4 2022 commits on PG or PBR and think "they've got lots more offers coming!"
Transfer and extra eligibility rules are definitely part of the equation, thanks for mentioning them.
@anotherparent posted:I had a quick look on PG, it's true that there are some D1 schools who don't list many 2022 recruits (4 or fewer) right now. E.g. Hofstra, Georgetown, Binghamton, Albany, Merrimack, Miami OH, etc. Can those who know suggest whether this means they are still recruiting, or whether there are other reasons why schools like that might not have many recruits listed?
Some commits don't list themselves until they have the acceptance letter from the school. Others may not do PG events. I guess now in addition to PG, you can gain some more data points with the Transfer Portal.
You never know what’s going on with transfers. My son won his position mid season freshman year. He played well. When he returned in the fall he discovered a JuCo All American at his position.
At the first practice he was moved around to various positions. He went from starter to “who the hell knows.” When the season started he rotated between two positions before winning one of them. You hit, you play.
Coaches pay the bills by winning and keeping their jobs. With extended Covid eligibility and no sit transfers if I’m a coach I go with as many older players @as I can than eighteen, nineteen year old freshmen.
I agree with those who say forget the D1s. What jumps out at me in your original post was the comments that his HS and travel coaches make - "...he does his job well and is a great teammate"... sorry, but that's the baseball equivalent of "she's got a great personality". With his grades at a solid prep school he could do well to find an HA D3.
Denzel Washington in Fences, some times you have to take a straight line crooked.
IMHO, look into JUCOs there are many schools with successful pipelines.
In 2021, Iowa Western had 43 former players at 4 year schools of which 28 were listed on D1 rosters
Wabash Valley had 32 alumni at D1 schools
Note, everybody understands covid has created supply on human capital at every level.
Due to the limited # of seats at all levels, you will need to make quicker decision before the music stops.
Our son is a 2022. He just started thinking JUCO a few weeks ago. Maybe a month now. He now has 3 offers. Two are Division 2 one is JUCO. One other JUCO is in the talking stage. He still has some more camps and showcases to go this month. Good thing with JUCO is even if he loses the baseball money part of it he can still get the academic and it be affordable. So we are letting him take his time. For now. None of the schools are pressuring him either. They said they will let him know if it gets to a point where they have to know.
The one thing with Juco is that you want to check the roster. I've heard a lot of stories about some Jucos bringing in 60 kids in the fall and then 25 of them never see the field in the spring.
@Francis7 posted:The one thing with Juco is that you want to check the roster. I've heard a lot of stories about some Jucos bringing in 60 kids in the fall and then 25 of them never see the field in the spring.
@francis7
I'm assuming that you are referring to looking the spring rosters as for many jucos don't provide fall rosters, and if they do provide fall rosters (then it should be treated like a tryout, where majority of schools will cast a wide net).
IHMO, the stakeholder should look at the fall roster like a travel ball tryout process, the issue is the stakeholder might have more upfront (cost) for a tryout with no guarantees.
Please note, I'm not factoring in expected playing time.
Although there is no clear path, coaches are creatures of habit that are looking for predictable outcomes.
Stakeholders (families) should:
1 - Assume you will not know what the coach is thinking.
2 - Look at previous year's spring roster(s) - for Juco (3 or 4 years). (There are patterns)
3 - Does team have a JV team? Add (+20) to the player count
Note, there are a couple of items that will be impossible to determine
1 - Number of non-rostered redshirts
2 - How many transfers the coach brings in after the fall season.
Assume you will not know what the coach is thinking.
Note: Ranger college varsity roster list 88, In 2021, they didn't post a JV roster, but one can deduce more than half are playing JV.
Note: Due to covid reclassification, JUCO Roster sizes increased significantly in some places.
@CollegebaseballInsights is correct about the JV situation at Ranger College. Half the 88 players are on JV and while it’s possible for a player to elevate himself to Varsity it doesn’t happen with regularity. Any JuCo with a JV team is something to look at closely. You better know which squad you are being earmarked for. If a JuCo is fully funded, and you aren’t receiving any baseball money, and that program has a JV…….you best be careful.
Reviewing the team's website, only provides one dimension of the varsity roster size. This is not always the most accurate for JUCO programs.
Also there is a fair number of teams that don't keep archives of their rosters.
One way to figure out how many players actually participate annually is to look at the team's EADA Report.
EADA must be submitted annually for financial aid compliance.
Teams must report how many players participate at the varsity level.
If you see significant differences, then the stakeholders should do some more research and ask some detailed questions.
Note:
2020 Roster vs EADA Compliance
2019 Roster
Note, currently their 2018 roster (website) only list 19 players, meaning they deleted players from the website. Thus if you were to only use their website to understand their roster history without looking at the EADA number, it would be hard to determine the number of players on the varsity.
https://www.rangersports.net/s...s/bsb/2017-18/roster
@Francis7 posted:The one thing with Juco is that you want to check the roster. I've heard a lot of stories about some Jucos bringing in 60 kids in the fall and then 25 of them never see the field in the spring.
It’s more like forty of the sixty never see much of the field. It only takes about twenty players to play the season.
@Smitty28 posted:I agree with those who say forget the D1s. What jumps out at me in your original post was the comments that his HS and travel coaches make - "...he does his job well and is a great teammate"... sorry, but that's the baseball equivalent of "she's got a great personality". With his grades at a solid prep school he could do well to find an HA D3.
I'm struggling to understand why nobody but Smitty28 suggested D3 HAs given the young man is at a prep school with great academics listed and we're right in the middle of that recruiting time frame?
GSully1 - was D3 HAs ever a consideration? Did your son's travel coach provide any guidance or willingness to reach out to college programs on your behalf?
To all, thank you for the observations and suggestions.
Fenwaysouth: his travel coach has offered, but we get the impression his contacts have their C needs covered. As noted, D3 has been recommended and with good justification. He has some D3 schools interested, but for a variety of reasons, including non-baseball, those are not under consideration.
If you are in PA and solid player with good grades but can’t find a good fit in D3 baseball you aren’t trying very hard, IMO. There are literally a hundred or so within hours of you. Ok back to the vodka….
