My son has been contacted by this school. What experience have people had with this school for baseball? How is it academically?
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I am serious and mean no disrespect when I ask this----Is this a trick question?
In this age of the internet all it takes is a visit to the school website
In this age of the internet all it takes is a visit to the school website
If going on a school website is all that is involved with a college search, much of this site could be shut down. Regarding Miami, it's baseball program has a good history but one of the great things about this site is the subjective information that you are able to obtain from innumerous sources that is invaluable in the evaluation process.
igball,
UM is very selective in the players they choose.
UM has huge endowments that help players meet financial responsibilities if they qualify.
UM usually recruits close to home and if they recruit out of state, usually a player that can afford tuition and is able to work hard and overlook distractions that surround them (beach, southbeach, fast paced lifestyle), one of the reasons Morris likes local players who have grown up in this environment.
UM usually advances to Omaha almost every year but having a much more difficult time now that they have joined the ACC.
I know of players that are very happy there and many players who have left the program.
UM is very selective in the players they choose.
UM has huge endowments that help players meet financial responsibilities if they qualify.
UM usually recruits close to home and if they recruit out of state, usually a player that can afford tuition and is able to work hard and overlook distractions that surround them (beach, southbeach, fast paced lifestyle), one of the reasons Morris likes local players who have grown up in this environment.
UM usually advances to Omaha almost every year but having a much more difficult time now that they have joined the ACC.
I know of players that are very happy there and many players who have left the program.
TPM-
good insight, thanks. good luck to your son.
good insight, thanks. good luck to your son.
I sent a DVD of my son and gotan invite to a camp. Had the feel of a fund rauser but not sure. Never talked to Morris directly but had a staff member call.
I will "ditto" everything TPM said. My oldest son went to UM, but not as a baseball player. However, we watched the baseball program carefully, since we also had two younger sons who were serious ball players (we're from Ohio). Coach Morris and the pitching coach at the time (since gone) did take time out to meet with one of my sons and talk seriously about the program. They encouraged him to attend one of their camps.
We did notice over the years that the only non-local players on the team were from extremely high profile travel programs and were draft prospects as well. They really don't need to go more than 50 miles or so away to put together CWS-worthy teams.
All that being said, UM is a very good academic school (despite the negative press the athletes seem to get), and has gotten better under Donna Shalala. My oldest got his undergrad degree there and then returned for his doctorate. He's a Hurricane through and through!
We did notice over the years that the only non-local players on the team were from extremely high profile travel programs and were draft prospects as well. They really don't need to go more than 50 miles or so away to put together CWS-worthy teams.
All that being said, UM is a very good academic school (despite the negative press the athletes seem to get), and has gotten better under Donna Shalala. My oldest got his undergrad degree there and then returned for his doctorate. He's a Hurricane through and through!
after seeing this discussion i became curious about how strong miami actually was academically, i was shocked to find out via the princeton review that their avg high school gpa of applicants is 4.04! that rivals many high profile private schools- so in short what i am saying is it is obviously a great place to play baseball (provided you get playing time) but also a fantastic place to get an education
wanted to clarify avg high school gpa of accepted applicants, not just those applying
quote:Originally posted by Chris Davis:
after seeing this discussion i became curious about how strong miami actually was academically, i was shocked to find out via the princeton review that their avg high school gpa of applicants is 4.04! that rivals many high profile private schools- so in short what i am saying is it is obviously a great place to play baseball (provided you get playing time) but also a fantastic place to get an education
Thanks, I forgot to add, good grades, very important at the U for acceptance!
Miami is a high profile private school. Tuition is the same in state as it is out of state. Miami, however, is facing a financial crisis in athletics. There is not a large alumni base and the facilities for football (the Orange Bowl) and basketball (at least for practice) are decrepit. This is what prompted the move to the ACC. However, in the Big East, if Miami went to a BCS game or won the national title, it got to keep nearly all of the money. In the ACC, two things have occured: 1. The money is shared among all conference schools. 2. The Hurricanes have found the going far rougher in a competitive sense. Also, as a baseball independent, Miami was able to play about 90 percent of its games at home. That is no longer the case in the ACC.
In addition, Shalala's leadership, at least in athletics, has been less than ideal. Miami could recover and regain its former glory, but it is far more likely the school will fade to the middle of the pack (at best) in the ACC in nearly every sport. Yes, you better be very good to have a chance to play at Miami -- but it is not now and probably will not be for some time what it once was.
In addition, Shalala's leadership, at least in athletics, has been less than ideal. Miami could recover and regain its former glory, but it is far more likely the school will fade to the middle of the pack (at best) in the ACC in nearly every sport. Yes, you better be very good to have a chance to play at Miami -- but it is not now and probably will not be for some time what it once was.
There is a local young lady who is at MU and she is very happy going there. She is a senior on the ladies basketball team and loves the school. She is a top student as well. Big article on her on the web site.
UM suffered greatly the past few years due to loss of two full scholarships for recruting violations.
UM baseball has had a rough start since it joined the ACC, but one out of it's two years it still went to Omaha. Thye have, IMO, one of the most talented teams heading into the ACC this year, look for a strong run to Omaha and winning most of their ACC series.
Dolphin Stadium will most likely be the new home of Hurricane baseball. While some are really upset (there's nothing like football at the OB), most think it is a good move.
You have to be a sterling student and top player to be awarded a scholarhip at UM. Tuition is NOT the same instate as out of state, as a Florida scholar recipiants can USE their award money towards tuition.
Most scholarships given are at least half, funded by a special endowment set up for UM baseball. These are generally awarded for academics, not baseball. Then with an average state award of 7K for tuition and throw in some baseball money, it's not as bad as one would imagine. Some of the kids in the area live at home to save costs. Little bit tougher for out of state students. Morris, like Mike Martin at FSU, likes his players to live close by.
UM baseball has had a rough start since it joined the ACC, but one out of it's two years it still went to Omaha. Thye have, IMO, one of the most talented teams heading into the ACC this year, look for a strong run to Omaha and winning most of their ACC series.
Dolphin Stadium will most likely be the new home of Hurricane baseball. While some are really upset (there's nothing like football at the OB), most think it is a good move.
You have to be a sterling student and top player to be awarded a scholarhip at UM. Tuition is NOT the same instate as out of state, as a Florida scholar recipiants can USE their award money towards tuition.
Most scholarships given are at least half, funded by a special endowment set up for UM baseball. These are generally awarded for academics, not baseball. Then with an average state award of 7K for tuition and throw in some baseball money, it's not as bad as one would imagine. Some of the kids in the area live at home to save costs. Little bit tougher for out of state students. Morris, like Mike Martin at FSU, likes his players to live close by.
Maybe others have heard of similar approaches while being recruited by programs such as UM. First off, I've been a Canes fan all of my life and have football season tickets and attend about a dozen baseball games each year. They are known to over recruit and during the fall, for lack of a better word, "weed out" the players that they won't be needing and ship them off to jucos or simply release them. This happened to 4 players from our area - all but one decided to go elsewhere. The program has fallen off a bit the last couple years, they are very young right now, but have a talented group of underclassman. Pitching is the key for them.
I will be interesting to see what happens to the program now that the legendary Turtle Thomas has arrived in South Florida at FIU. I've heard that he already has players ready to jump to the Golden Panthers from UM. I'd be willing to bet that he's going to have an immediate impact on the program. This will really hurt the FAU program up at Boca Raton who struggled this year.
My cousin graduated from UM and academically, as you have seen it is top notch. They expect more from their athletes (yes, even the football players)academically and it is much more difficult to get in that the other Florida public universities.
Oh yea, I think that Coach Sully will be great at UF and I think that his energy, knowledge, work ethic is something that the Gators needed. They could have the best Collegeiate coaching staff in the country. ****, I hate the Gators.
I guess I went on a little much. Go Canes. Be careful though, UM is like the hot girl that is dating you, along with three other guys until she decides which one she likes best and then dumps you.
I will be interesting to see what happens to the program now that the legendary Turtle Thomas has arrived in South Florida at FIU. I've heard that he already has players ready to jump to the Golden Panthers from UM. I'd be willing to bet that he's going to have an immediate impact on the program. This will really hurt the FAU program up at Boca Raton who struggled this year.
My cousin graduated from UM and academically, as you have seen it is top notch. They expect more from their athletes (yes, even the football players)academically and it is much more difficult to get in that the other Florida public universities.
Oh yea, I think that Coach Sully will be great at UF and I think that his energy, knowledge, work ethic is something that the Gators needed. They could have the best Collegeiate coaching staff in the country. ****, I hate the Gators.
I guess I went on a little much. Go Canes. Be careful though, UM is like the hot girl that is dating you, along with three other guys until she decides which one she likes best and then dumps you.
Thinking that with coaching changes it's going to be interesting here in FL for the next few years.
I believe FIU and FAU will compete for recruits, FSU and UF will compete due to magnificent facilities and winning athletic programs and Miami will still recruit locally or will lure out of state high profile players.
I am not a Gator fan, but with Sully at the helm, I think it will be in the next few years, the premiere baseball program in the state of Florida.
What you stated about UM recruiting is true, they will recruit you and dump you like a hot potato when they think they have found someone better for their program. This is by no means said because it was sons dream school and wasn't recruited, he was, but in the end, he realized from his recruiting experiences it most likley was not a good fit for him.
I believe FIU and FAU will compete for recruits, FSU and UF will compete due to magnificent facilities and winning athletic programs and Miami will still recruit locally or will lure out of state high profile players.
I am not a Gator fan, but with Sully at the helm, I think it will be in the next few years, the premiere baseball program in the state of Florida.
What you stated about UM recruiting is true, they will recruit you and dump you like a hot potato when they think they have found someone better for their program. This is by no means said because it was sons dream school and wasn't recruited, he was, but in the end, he realized from his recruiting experiences it most likley was not a good fit for him.
TPM-
From your experience, if you were starting the college search all over again, which ACC schools would you target? Others?
From your experience, if you were starting the college search all over again, which ACC schools would you target? Others?
quote:Originally posted by igball:
TPM-
From your experience, if you were starting the college search all over again, which ACC schools would you target? Others?
That is a hard question to answer without being biased.
Of course everyone wants to take a shot at the top tier ACC programs, but in reality, it's up to each individual based on their desires. Actually, talent for baseball in the ACC is becoming more balanced. Geography, school academics, class size, facilities, campus life, post season play, baseball program and schedule should all factor into any decision My son preferred the smaller out of the way campus, some may prefer city campus. Some schools enjoy better weather than others, some have magnificant training facilities. Target what would work best for each individual player.
Even though Miami tends to concentrate on local players, its database of recruited players is reputed to be large and its mailings prolific. Few programs sent my son as much volume of mail as Miami; all of it of a routine, impersonal nature.
I like the ball park. They have spent a bunch fixing it up. Several programs mail players on virtually every summer/fall team they can get mail addresses for. UM is one of them.
As a graduate and BIG UM fan, I have a bit of a different take on the program. I think it has slipped a bit every year, despite managing to advance in post season. The pitching staff has grossly underperformed, and they do not seem to have been able to get more than a player or two to help on the mound. I personally have heard rumblings about a need to revisit the coaching situation there, and with the Turtle coming to town, who knows where things are headed. The team was young, but I would hardly describe the cupboard as full.
