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Originally posted by cabbagedad:
Yes, of course there is consideration given to the situation and ability to execute. I was answering your question and offering up how we generally use the information available to us, specifically MP #s. It is ususally not practical for us to go scout unknown opponents in advance. That's another reason why we exract what we can from MP for such an opponent. We are just a decent mid-tier HS V program and our P's certainly understand and are able to execute with reasonable success the act of throwing a breaking ball that starts in the zone and falls out. 100% execution? Of course not. Doesn't mean you don't teach them to execute the game plan based on what you know about your opponent.
Take a guess and throw out a number you feel is a reasonable representation of how much better your HS teams play because of the analysis of the opponent’s numbers as opposed to how they’d do using a standard “template” for a “generic” team as an opponent.
IOW, in situation “A” against a team you knew nothing about, you’d have “X” amount of success. By having this additional information, do you feel you’d improve 15, 10%, 20%, or some other number? As I said earlier, since there’s no way to measure what you believe is happening, it really makes the discussion difficult.
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Again, I am a bit confused by your argument. You typically are a champion for stats that are several layers deep and I always argue that, at HS level, it is only practical to use top layer stuff and just as supplementary info to what you see on the field. Now you are skeptical that it is worth the time to do the analysis??
What's got into you?
I’m afraid you don’t understand my perspective, but that’s ok. To me, the stats are a measure of what’s going on, and I believe it only makes sense to look at them in as many different ways as possible. Using those numbers for the players on the team to manage them, is one thing, because the numbers have a commonality and validity about them.
But to me, its quite different to try to manage the team in a game by using the numbers for the opponent players, because that commonality isn’t there, and therefore the measuring stick is very likely different. That doesn’t mean the numbers don’t offer some degree of assistance. But I can’t help but doubt that the degree of assistance is outweighed by the lack of consistency and the dearth of information. Now if one person could score all the games and submit all the stats, or in lieu of that, some standard for the scoring like there is in MLB, that would be different.
There was a reason that the use of stats wasn’t a very big deal until relatively recently, even in the ML. Those “standard” things called for in the rules to keep track of, which are even typically fewer in HS, just don’t offer that much useful information, over and above what would typically be done. It wasn’t until it became easy to draw on all the data to use in many different ways that Sabermetrics took off.
In a league like the one we’re in, I’d say the scoring was pretty good, and since submitting the numbers is mandatory, the information could be useful. But the coaches in our league don’t need to look at the numbers because they see all the teams at least 3 times each season, and there are no secrets! Those guys talk to each other all the time.
Again, I don’t really know if you’re right and the numbers are a great help, or I’m right and trying to use them is basically a waste of time that could be spent in other ways. How about this. If I were a HS HC, I wouldn’t spend much time pouring over an opponent’s numbers, but I’d burn the midnight oil looking at my team’s numbers and trying to make sure I was using my players the best way possible.
