Is that stardad or stargazer ?
I'm feeling for your son.
Get a reality check.
Hey no need to get to negative, continue to encourage your son to play at the best of his ability and best wishes to you and your son but remember let him be a kid and play the game as competitive but as fun as he can. Find out what your son does best, he had 12 triples he must have some speed, encourage it help him grow as an athlete. Speed is the one thing that all coaches at all levels look at. The other is arm speed if your son has a great arm hint throwing in the 90's he has a very good chance. Again best wishes and hope all goes well.
I have been around here a long time, seen it all, I think we have been scammed.
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Stardad....
Don't ever recall a 1st rounder coming out of a high school in Missouri.
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Max Scherzer from MU is the 11th pick in the 2006 draft. He is a RHP. You are right, very few kids been picked from high school. Especially from Missouri. But It doesn't mean it will not happen in the future.
Why very few kids drafted from Missour? I don't know. maybe this is a unlucky place, should I move out of here now?? Maybe not.
I think football or basketball are the most favorite sports for most talented kids in Mid-West. If they all chose to play baseball, my son should have no chance to play baseball in a college.
quote:Originally posted by right arm of zeus:
he had 12 triples he must have some speed, encourage it help him grow as an athlete. Speed is the one thing that all coaches at all levels look at. The other is arm speed if your son has a great arm hint throwing in the 90's he has a very good chance. Again best wishes and hope all goes well.
Thanks Zeus, His speed is OK, not as fast as a track player. But he has the ability to hit the ball the other way. Nobody dare to pitch him a strike at the outside corner.
Tiger Paw Mom: what do you mean "scammed", if you don't believe me, I will send a picture of my son to your personal email address. All my posts are exactly what I thought, if I am too frankly to everyone, I am sorry that I am just that kind of person. Say what I think, don't care about what other's say.
Econ 101: Supply and Demand ... The top potential talent get reasonable signing bonuses. The rest get an opportunity.quote:Originally posted by StarDad:
Well if you think stealing money from the young kids is fair, I will have nothing to say. Everyone wants to do it doesn't mean the owner's has the right to rip people off. I am surprised everyone here seems on the owner's side. Are you a Minor league GM? If somehow I work for the player's union, I will call for a nationwide strike against Minor league Baseball. This depressingly low salary is a unfair practice, we should fight for the players right.
Minor league salaries are 100% expense with no return on investment to the MLB club until players make the majors and draw fans. Minor league teams are not owned by MLB franchises. MLB teams do not get a return on the gate.
Agreed. I was thinking this before I scrolled down this far. We're getting strung along by a troll.quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
I have been around here a long time, seen it all, I think we have been scammed.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
The top potential talent get reasonable signing bonuses. The rest get an opportunity.
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Thanks that's exactly what I want to know through all this posts. I don't know why no body answer this question. I just want know who will get the signing bonuses and sum the salary and the signing bonus, how much the minor leaguers get? I keep hearing the 6 figure salaries from the media, but a lot of people here say something about $1100 a month. Drafted or not, I want my son to get the 6 figure bonus or chose something else to do. Is that hard to understand?
Sorry Stardad, dreaming that your son can someday get AROD kind of money when he's only a freshman is not reality. I don't care how much of a rookie you are at this we all were at one time or another.
You can't compare your son to Max Sherzer, who was drafted out of college, not HS. What you need to do is wait until a year or so from now, take him to some national showcases or tournaments and then you can make conclusions as to how he compares to the rest of his HS grad class, not now.
I hope that you do not convey your thoughts to your son. Some folks do this and when their players don't make Arod status, they end up all messed up.
You can't compare your son to Max Sherzer, who was drafted out of college, not HS. What you need to do is wait until a year or so from now, take him to some national showcases or tournaments and then you can make conclusions as to how he compares to the rest of his HS grad class, not now.
I hope that you do not convey your thoughts to your son. Some folks do this and when their players don't make Arod status, they end up all messed up.
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Sorry Stardad, dreaming that your son can someday get AROD kind of money when he's only a freshman is not reality. I don't care how much of a rookie you are at this we all were at one time or another.
You can't compare your son to Max Sherzer, who was drafted out of college, not HS. What you need to do is wait until a year or so from now, take him to some national showcases or tournaments and then you can make conclusions as to how he compares to the rest of his HS grad class, not now.
I hope that you do not convey your thoughts to your son. Some folks do this and when their players don't make Arod status, they end up all messed up.
Thanks, That's a very good advice. I will tell you the truth, we invest too much on him. Because I believe he is the A-ROD like talent. It's a long story. When this thing are all over in a few years. Make it or not I will tell you the whole story. If somehow he turns out not to be the "One". I will be disappointed, But that's not the end of the world. He is a staight A student in his school, he can have a great carrer no matter what. The only regret I will have is, I can't "reach for the Star". Not any star, I only want a baseball Star. Because I am in such a deep believe. It's even deeper than believing in God!!
quote:Originally posted by StarDad:quote:Originally posted by RJM:
The top potential talent get reasonable signing bonuses. The rest get an opportunity.
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Thanks that's exactly what I want to know through all this posts. I don't know why no body answer this question. I just want know who will get the signing bonuses and sum the salary and the signing bonus, how much the minor leaguers get? I keep hearing the 6 figure salaries from the media, but a lot of people here say something about $1100 a month. Drafted or not, I want my son to get the 6 figure bonus or chose something else to do. Is that hard to understand?
Well, one reason nobody answered that question until a while into the thread might well have been that that information is easy enough to find through a web search for bonuses by round. If you managed to find this place on the web, you could have found the answer to that question on the web as it's fact-based, not opinion or advice.
Arriving at a site like this without that kind of basic information is yet another reason people suspect you should be asked to "pull the other one, it's got bells on".
And yes, it is hard to understand why the parent of a freshman in high school is (almost four years before the child will even be eligible for the draft) looking for reassurance from internet posters that said child (sight unseen & no knowledge of the competition he faces)will be drafted high enough to receive 6-7 figures in bonus money AND that MiLB remuneration will be overhauled to fit his perceptions.
TPM, I think you had it right the first time as far as this poster. ("Im"poster perhaps?) Either that or someone truly just fell off the proverbial turnip truck.
Nonetheless, others may well be interested in the info.
Every year Parade magazine (the one that comes in your Sunday paper) runs a "what people earn" edition, giving all sorts of occupations and the salaries earned in them. Always a few celebrities thrown in just for whimsy, but the rest are pretty enlightening.
Last year, our local paper added a story of its own, adding a few local folks to the mix. One was a player with the Richmond Braves (AAA), not on the MLB 40-man roster. His pay was listed as $16,000/year. That's gross, as in before taxes, folks. I suppose he might make a few more bucks if he heads to the Carribbean for winter ball. Or, like some of our local pros, he might spend his winter doing instructional camps at the local baseball academies. But basically, it's subsistence wages until you hit the bigs. Most of these guys live in low-rent apartments with SEVERAL teammates packed in there to split the rent and utilities. And they don't always eat well, either. You can make a better living selling shoes at the mall.
As for bonuses, PGCrosschecker.com can list for you what every player in the top 10 rounds of the June 2007 draft got as their bonuses. I think Baseball America also publishes the same info. Maybe you're Justin Upton or Rick Porcello or Matt Wieters and you can command $6 million. By pick # 10 it's $2 million. By the end of the first round it's $1 million and we've only gone 30 players deep, high school and college draftees combined. By the end of the supplemental first round, you're down around 500k, which is about 320k after taxes. By then we're talking about 60 kids out of literally millions of players with the dream. Meaning, good luck to you! Your odds are probably better buying lottery tickets at the local 7-11.
The way MLB looks at it is like this. They take everyone they really want by the 10th or 15th round tops. Then they may take a few "fliers" on kids considered "unsignable". Then they spend the last 30 rounds filling out the rosters on their low minor leagues' teams. They don't really expect any of those kids to make it, though they get their chances to prove them all wrong, and occasionally someone does overcome the odds and get to MLB in spite of it all. (Mike Piazza being the big story in that vein, but there are others.)
The ones they view as prospects get signing bonuses and educational money to entice them into the career. The others, if you come or don't come, it's no big deal to the MLB farm programs. Plenty more where those came from. It's a revolving door, as new blood comes in every year, sees what the life really is, and moves on after a few years.
You have to love the game to get through this. Talk to lots of former pros and you will hear the bitterness that often lies on the back end of chasing the dream. A lot of big dreams get crushed.
Focusing on education first and baseball second is the best advice in this thread.
Nonetheless, others may well be interested in the info.
Every year Parade magazine (the one that comes in your Sunday paper) runs a "what people earn" edition, giving all sorts of occupations and the salaries earned in them. Always a few celebrities thrown in just for whimsy, but the rest are pretty enlightening.
Last year, our local paper added a story of its own, adding a few local folks to the mix. One was a player with the Richmond Braves (AAA), not on the MLB 40-man roster. His pay was listed as $16,000/year. That's gross, as in before taxes, folks. I suppose he might make a few more bucks if he heads to the Carribbean for winter ball. Or, like some of our local pros, he might spend his winter doing instructional camps at the local baseball academies. But basically, it's subsistence wages until you hit the bigs. Most of these guys live in low-rent apartments with SEVERAL teammates packed in there to split the rent and utilities. And they don't always eat well, either. You can make a better living selling shoes at the mall.
As for bonuses, PGCrosschecker.com can list for you what every player in the top 10 rounds of the June 2007 draft got as their bonuses. I think Baseball America also publishes the same info. Maybe you're Justin Upton or Rick Porcello or Matt Wieters and you can command $6 million. By pick # 10 it's $2 million. By the end of the first round it's $1 million and we've only gone 30 players deep, high school and college draftees combined. By the end of the supplemental first round, you're down around 500k, which is about 320k after taxes. By then we're talking about 60 kids out of literally millions of players with the dream. Meaning, good luck to you! Your odds are probably better buying lottery tickets at the local 7-11.
The way MLB looks at it is like this. They take everyone they really want by the 10th or 15th round tops. Then they may take a few "fliers" on kids considered "unsignable". Then they spend the last 30 rounds filling out the rosters on their low minor leagues' teams. They don't really expect any of those kids to make it, though they get their chances to prove them all wrong, and occasionally someone does overcome the odds and get to MLB in spite of it all. (Mike Piazza being the big story in that vein, but there are others.)
The ones they view as prospects get signing bonuses and educational money to entice them into the career. The others, if you come or don't come, it's no big deal to the MLB farm programs. Plenty more where those came from. It's a revolving door, as new blood comes in every year, sees what the life really is, and moves on after a few years.
You have to love the game to get through this. Talk to lots of former pros and you will hear the bitterness that often lies on the back end of chasing the dream. A lot of big dreams get crushed.
Focusing on education first and baseball second is the best advice in this thread.
I'm reminded of the following true story.
One year, Midlo Son played in a recreational basketball league because he got cut from his 8th grade school team. At one game, a parent of another boy on our team got in my ear about how much his son loved the game and dreamed of making it big. "He wants to play for Duke!", Dad exclaimed.
Not sure how to respond, I said, "That's setting the bar a bit high, don't you think?" After all, this kid, like mine, had just gotten cut from the middle school team. The dad stared at me all glassy eyed. I began to wonder if he was, shall we say, impaired.
Nice kid, but 4 years later he's never made any school basketball team at any level.
It's OK for kids to dream, but some parents do need a reality check. And while it's great to encourage dreams, the parent must also administer doses of common sense. As in, "Keep your grades up, son!"
One year, Midlo Son played in a recreational basketball league because he got cut from his 8th grade school team. At one game, a parent of another boy on our team got in my ear about how much his son loved the game and dreamed of making it big. "He wants to play for Duke!", Dad exclaimed.
Not sure how to respond, I said, "That's setting the bar a bit high, don't you think?" After all, this kid, like mine, had just gotten cut from the middle school team. The dad stared at me all glassy eyed. I began to wonder if he was, shall we say, impaired.
Nice kid, but 4 years later he's never made any school basketball team at any level.
It's OK for kids to dream, but some parents do need a reality check. And while it's great to encourage dreams, the parent must also administer doses of common sense. As in, "Keep your grades up, son!"
quote:Originally posted by Orlando:
[And yes, it is hard to understand why the parent of a freshman in high school is (almost four years before the child will even be eligible for the draft) looking for reassurance from internet posters that said child (sight unseen & no knowledge of the competition he faces)will be drafted high enough to receive 6-7 figures in bonus money AND that MiLB remuneration will be overhauled to fit his perceptions.
Sorry, Orlando, you may never met a guy like me before. I am not mad at anyone who misunderstand me.
I thought I am "crazy" too. I search the intetnet, saw some players with their # of picks and 6-7 figure tag after their name. I just don't understand what does it mean. I wonder he is paid right away or sometime later, I wonder is everyone paid that way or little bit less. That's why I was shocked a minor leaguer paid at $1100 per month. Am I way over the line or just stupid? People work in different areas got their own specialty. You ask Mr. Albert Enstain how to fix a car, guess what answer you will get. I have said number of times, I am a outsider, have very few knowlege of the baseball system. That's why I need help.
STARDAD
assuming you are for real and not a troll let me say this
You need to get real grip on life and very quickly before you destroy your son and you go into therapy
You want a baseball star--you are in such deep believe-- "it's even deeper than believing in God"
Excuse me sir---you need HELP !!!!
assuming you are for real and not a troll let me say this
You need to get real grip on life and very quickly before you destroy your son and you go into therapy
You want a baseball star--you are in such deep believe-- "it's even deeper than believing in God"
Excuse me sir---you need HELP !!!!
Midlo Dad: you have the best post of the day, you got my mind clear like crystal now. Thank you very very much. What I really want is set a goal for my son to work on, now I know making the top 60 in the nation is the only way to do it. Well, if he can't be the Top 60 after HS, he should go to a good college and get a respectable degree while play baseball. If he can't make the top 60 after college, he should forget about baseball all together. No more argument, I've been helped. Thanks everyone.
BTW, hey, get to the top 60 in the nation then I can get my investment back, right? uhm, I can get a good sleep tonight now.
BTW, hey, get to the top 60 in the nation then I can get my investment back, right? uhm, I can get a good sleep tonight now.
StarDad - you are misguided, you have the wrong motivation, and you wish to profit through the birth of your son. None of which are admirable traits.
The kids who make it, do so for the love of the game, not any financial reward. The Love OF The Game. If you or your son do not have this insatiable drive and dream of enjoying the baseball experience at each level you (your son) will not, nor will he deserve to make it to the show. IMHO
The kids who make it, do so for the love of the game, not any financial reward. The Love OF The Game. If you or your son do not have this insatiable drive and dream of enjoying the baseball experience at each level you (your son) will not, nor will he deserve to make it to the show. IMHO
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
STARDAD
assuming you are for real and not a troll let me say this
You need to get real grip on life and very quickly before you destroy your son and you go into therapy
You want a baseball star--you are in such deep believe-- "it's even deeper than believing in God"
Excuse me sir---you need HELP !!!!
Well, I've been helped, you are late for the party.
I am that kind of a guy. I grew up this way all the way till 40s now. Set a high but reachable goal and work on it. Do you watch the world series of Poker?
if 9 people out of 8000 people can get to the final table , why can't I? Assume I have the Brain and talent. I am a gambler of life. I believe life time success is there for everyone, just matter of what do you want and how bad do you want it?
quote:Originally posted by floridafan:
StarDad - you are misguided, you have the wrong motivation, and you wish to profit through the birth of your son. None of which are admirable traits.
The kids who make it, do so for the love of the game, not any financial reward. The Love OF The Game. If you or your son do not have this insatiable drive and dream of enjoying the baseball experience at each level you (your son) will not, nor will he deserve to make it to the show. IMHO
No, I believe talent and talent only. The profit will come with it. I am a business man, I will only invest on resonable project. I see the talent of my son. I feel play baseball is his best potential. So I will help him on his way. Football player get quicker and much more money than a minor leaguer, why don't I let my son play football? Because I see no football talent from him. That's the reason Simple and easy.
Stargazer you will find that their are thosands and thousands of young talenetd players out there. Most of them never play ball past HS.
You are spouting some of the most rediculous garbage. But then again you are not the 1st. You also stike me as having no BB knowlege what so ever. If you set high standards work on your English.
If 9 people out of 8000 is considered by you as good odds you don't have a clue about the odds of making it to the ML.
You are spouting some of the most rediculous garbage. But then again you are not the 1st. You also stike me as having no BB knowlege what so ever. If you set high standards work on your English.
If 9 people out of 8000 is considered by you as good odds you don't have a clue about the odds of making it to the ML.