WWBA

phillyinNJ posted:

finally have a game scheduled this afternoon at lakepoint...I agree this is probably a little bit too large of a tournament to logistically accommodate all the teams in the event of weather interruptions.  Did get the chance to go down to Ft Benning to check out the infantry museum, but with that said, hit multiple traffic jams...cant wait to get back up to Jersey to experience traffic jams that actually make sense...the ones around here, well lets just say i can't figure them out...  Looking forward to good weather from here on out.

BTW, whats the website where i can track the exit velos, stats, and plays online at lakepoint?

It's called DiamondKast and it's a proprietary PG tool. You have to pay for it...haha

phillyinNJ posted:

finally have a game scheduled this afternoon at lakepoint...I agree this is probably a little bit too large of a tournament to logistically accommodate all the teams in the event of weather interruptions.  Did get the chance to go down to Ft Benning to check out the infantry museum, but with that said, hit multiple traffic jams...cant wait to get back up to Jersey to experience traffic jams that actually make sense...the ones around here, well lets just say i can't figure them out...  Looking forward to good weather from here on out.

BTW, whats the website where i can track the exit velos, stats, and plays online at lakepoint?

News is that your Govenor closed down the state of NJ for the weekend.

So I suppose that you are better off being in Hotlanta for the holiday weekend!  

Trackman does the exit velo' s.  Diamondkast is PG's version of game changer.

TPM posted:

phillyinNJ posted:

finally have a game scheduled this afternoon at lakepoint...I agree this is probably a little bit too large of a tournament to logistically accommodate all the teams in the event of weather interruptions.  Did get the chance to go down to Ft Benning to check out the infantry museum, but with that said, hit multiple traffic jams...cant wait to get back up to Jersey to experience traffic jams that actually make sense...the ones around here, well lets just say i can't figure them out...  Looking forward to good weather from here on out.

BTW, whats the website where i can track the exit velos, stats, and plays online at lakepoint?

News is that your Govenor closed down the state of NJ for the weekend.

So I suppose that you are better off being in Hotlanta for the holiday weekend!  

lol...freakin politics...haven't had time to check out the state news because i've been tied to watching the weather here in atlanta for the past few days.

Closed all the public parks and beaches. Thats right Govenor Christie, punish hard working folks with weekend holiday plans because you dont get what you want.

I can understand the frustration, I have been to at least 7 WWBA and countless other Perfect Game tourney's. I can tell you that the PG folks are doing all they can.  No one can control the weather. IF the field of teams were smaller then I would be reading posts about how a team was not able to play in the tourney and complaining about the criteria used to let teams in.

I agree, 382 is a ton of teams and maybe a regional idea will be considered. 

I also know that for 2018's that are uncommitted it can be stressful but to think that you are going to be discovered at this point and if you do not get a game at LP you will not be discovered is incorrect.  In some rare cases players can be discovered. 

A better approach to recruiting is to get an early eval of your abilities.  Use your high school and travel coach to build relationships with schools at the level you can play at.  Inform those RC's that are interested in you that your team will be at WWBA and keep them updated as best you can. If the RC's are interested in you they will travel from field to field to see you. 

Honestly, most of the power 5 conference teams are done recruiting the 2018 class. IF you are looking for a school , the best bet is to look locally in your area.  If you are looking for a mid-major, some of these schools are not fully funded, and usually take in-state and juco players.

NAIA and D2 take a lot of JUCO's ..... Juco's do a lot of word of mouth recruiting due to the small travel budgets they have. Thus the travel coach and high school coach are important.

While there are a ton of schools at WWBA, if you are not on their short list of players the RC's do not have the time to discover players. They are affirming players they want to recruit.

Good luck to all,

I have to agree with you on some points. If you went for someone looking to find you, chances are its not going to happen. 

Son coaches at D2, and he is absolutely there looking for 2018s that slipped through the cracks, and watching recruits that had contacted him either by a coach or the recruit. All level coaches do work together on recommending recruits. However, the better D2 coaches do spend money on Juco and D1 players looking for more playing time.

"A better approach to recruiting is to get an early eval of your abilities.  Use your high school and travel coach to build relationships with schools at the level you can play at.  Inform those RC's that are interested in you that your team will be at WWBA and keep them updated as best you can. If the RC's are interested in you they will travel from field to field to see you. "

If they give a preponderance of the games at LP to clubs that are big names, you are screwed. One team had 3 LP games scheduled during pool play. Some of these fields are an hour from LP. 

The size of the tournament has very little bearing on what is happening.  We rent as many fields as we need so if we had half the number of teams we would have half as many fields.  Sometimes we can get extra fields at the last minute, but it isn't easy.

We expect people to be frustrated when these things happen.  Teams are here to play and that is what everyone, especially PG, wants.  If you think you are being treated unfairly just email staff@perfectgame and tell us what you're concerns are.  I am the only person associated with PG that responds here at the HSBBW. 

I understand the frustration, but often it gets to be a bit of piling on.  I mean I read some posts that make me think we have never done anything correctly.  Bad guns, bad scouts, bad information, bad technology, only care about money, bad umpires, you name it we are bad at it.  Go tell that to the college coaches you run across and see how well it works.

I also understand that we are not alone when it comes to receiving the wrath.  I read about the heat in Arizona, teams not playing on the featured field, and all the complaints.  My suggestion to the many that bitch constantly about everything... Give up baseball because you will drive yourself crazy over time.  I once spent thousands of dollars taking my family to see our son pitch in Yankee Stadium.  Game rained out, last game of the series, make up later in the year, team went on the road.  Was that totally frustrating?  Of course!  What did the Yankees or MLB do about it? Nothing!  How much bitching did I do?  None, because I have been around long enough to know these things can and do happen.

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

"You're never going to please everyone, and if you do, there's something wrong."

-Constance Wu

For what it's worth, we played a game this morning at a field about 1/2 hour away from LP. There were tons of scouts there. Didn't matter that much to us; they were there looking at the 8 or 9 D1 commits on the team we were playing. They are a "big name" team. None of their games so far have been at LP.

But just wanted to point out that scouts DO go to fields other than LP. Although I get it, especially if you've traveled out of state. LP is an awesome place to play and watch baseball. 

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

Hopefully the rest of the week will be better.  I understand the frustration everyone feels.  believe me it is also very frustrating for us.  This same tournament several years ago had less than half as many teams, but even more rain.  Teams had been here for 3 or 4 days before playing a game.  It's never an enjoyable experience when things like this happen.  We got through that one and hopefully the weather gets better and everyone has a good experience.

This tournament is too large, too many teams, to hold in one location during one week. Teams only know "today's" games and are still in a holding pattern over the rest of the week. To have to travel 45 minutes to an hour plus to get to a field, in Atlanta traffic no less, should tell you that there are far too many teams in this event and others like it. 

Welcome to Atlanta. A 45 minute trip is not a big deal here. We do it every weekend during the season. 

Elijah posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

Hopefully the rest of the week will be better.  I understand the frustration everyone feels.  believe me it is also very frustrating for us.  This same tournament several years ago had less than half as many teams, but even more rain.  Teams had been here for 3 or 4 days before playing a game.  It's never an enjoyable experience when things like this happen.  We got through that one and hopefully the weather gets better and everyone has a good experience.

This tournament is too large, too many teams, to hold in one location during one week. Teams only know "today's" games and are still in a holding pattern over the rest of the week. To have to travel 45 minutes to an hour plus to get to a field, in Atlanta traffic no less, should tell you that there are far too many teams in this event and others like it. 

Welcome to Atlanta. A 45 minute trip is not a big deal here. We do it every weekend during the season. 

Very true!!!!!  I posted last night that I'm in FT Myers and it's raining and out game is an hour away from where we are staying, so I feel at home :-). 

P.S. My commute is 1.5 hours each way.  Atlanta traffic is almost as bad as LA traffic, and worse at times, but if you want one field close to home that would be a tourney with 10 teams tops.  PG is a cool experience, the good and the bad it is still a cool experience when you play teams from 500+ miles away or more.

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

CaCO3Girl posted:

Elijah posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

Hopefully the rest of the week will be better.  I understand the frustration everyone feels.  believe me it is also very frustrating for us.  This same tournament several years ago had less than half as many teams, but even more rain.  Teams had been here for 3 or 4 days before playing a game.  It's never an enjoyable experience when things like this happen.  We got through that one and hopefully the weather gets better and everyone has a good experience.

This tournament is too large, too many teams, to hold in one location during one week. Teams only know "today's" games and are still in a holding pattern over the rest of the week. To have to travel 45 minutes to an hour plus to get to a field, in Atlanta traffic no less, should tell you that there are far too many teams in this event and others like it. 

Welcome to Atlanta. A 45 minute trip is not a big deal here. We do it every weekend during the season. 

Very true!!!!!  I posted last night that I'm in FT Myers and it's raining and out game is an hour away from where we are staying, so I feel at home :-). 

P.S. My commute is 1.5 hours each way.  Atlanta traffic is almost as bad as LA traffic, and worse at times, but if you want one field close to home that would be a tourney with 10 teams tops.  PG is a cool experience, the good and the bad it is still a cool experience when you play teams from 500+ miles away or more.

You need to move closer to your job. Your carbon footprint has to look like Sasquatch!

SanDiegoRealist posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

Elijah posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

Hopefully the rest of the week will be better.  I understand the frustration everyone feels.  believe me it is also very frustrating for us.  This same tournament several years ago had less than half as many teams, but even more rain.  Teams had been here for 3 or 4 days before playing a game.  It's never an enjoyable experience when things like this happen.  We got through that one and hopefully the weather gets better and everyone has a good experience.

This tournament is too large, too many teams, to hold in one location during one week. Teams only know "today's" games and are still in a holding pattern over the rest of the week. To have to travel 45 minutes to an hour plus to get to a field, in Atlanta traffic no less, should tell you that there are far too many teams in this event and others like it. 

Welcome to Atlanta. A 45 minute trip is not a big deal here. We do it every weekend during the season. 

Very true!!!!!  I posted last night that I'm in FT Myers and it's raining and out game is an hour away from where we are staying, so I feel at home :-). 

P.S. My commute is 1.5 hours each way.  Atlanta traffic is almost as bad as LA traffic, and worse at times, but if you want one field close to home that would be a tourney with 10 teams tops.  PG is a cool experience, the good and the bad it is still a cool experience when you play teams from 500+ miles away or more.

You need to move closer to your job. Your carbon footprint has to look like Sasquatch!

I drive a small car and my kids get a front yard, back yard, and friends up and down the block to play with.  I'm good, let's all just be thankful for audio books, it keeps the road rage WAY down ;-)

I'm with CaCo here... I commute 15 miles one way everyday and morning is an easy hour+ and evenings are just as bad, but I work late to cut it down to usually only 30+ minutes

brball posted:

I'm with CaCo here... I commute 15 miles one way everyday and morning is an easy hour+ and evenings are just as bad, but I work late to cut it down to usually only 30+ minutes

I get to work at 7am, leave at 3:30pm....adaptations must be made for Atlanta traffic. Everyone be thankful school is out, that adds another 30 minutes.

I would say yup, but with construction going on... I can't tell school is out! All I can say is plan accordingly 

Had two games yesterday and the first one was at LP (that place is amazing) and then the other was an hour away.  The time in the car was spent talking baseball...team won both games and 2018 had a good day at the plate, so it ended up to be a good start to hopefully even a better week. 

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

So can we get back to the games (and no rain :-) and leave the cost of attendance to another topic?    I am fortunate enough to live in Atlanta, so at least I am not stuck in a hotel room watching the boys go stir crazy.  We played our third game today.  (No game on Sunday.)  They have been good games with two out of the three going into the sixth inning tied.  Everyone wants to win, but I still like watching a close game.  It forces everyone to be on their toes.

Yeah, I do feel bad for teams who have traveled to attend. We've been in their shoes. It stinks waiting around a hotel to play ball. I'm glad we are local. (PS - I would MUCH rather pay $10 + $5 to park at LP than drive 50 miles from home to play at a crummy field without all the nice amenities)! 

In case anyone has not seen it.  The new format is out:

UPDATED FORMAT: (Updated 7/3 8:00 PM)
- 392 Teams
- 49 Pools of 8
- Each team will play 4 or 5 pool play games.

TENTATIVE PLAYOFF SCHEDULE
- Start Wednesday morning – Teams need to be prepared to play at 8-9AM. 
- 128 teams advance
          - Best record in each pool (49 tms)
          - 2nd Best record in each pool (49 tms)
          - Next best records regardless of pool, regardless of pool placing (30 tms)
          - Please note that the tiebreaker rules will be applied to determine these teams.

- Round of 128 and 64 will be on Wednesday, July 5th

- Round of 32, 16, and 8 will be on Thursday, July 6th

- Semifinals and Championship will be played on Friday, July 7th

- Teams that do not make the playoffs will be scheduled a consolation game on Wednesday.

We wish everyone a happy and safe 4th of July!!

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

 

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

Check the weather reports.

At WWBA also, PG seems to be doing best they can with the weather.  Truest fantastic to be able to play teams from all over the country.  Great experience.

SanDiegoRealist posted:

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

 

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

Check the weather reports.

Yea I have been to the west coast,  dry for sure,  but again the majority of the players and schools are on the east side.  Atlanta is a major hub for most except those on the west coast.   Makes no sense to have it out there.   Make everyone travel to the west so you don't have to worry about rain?   Not practical

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

 

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

Check the weather reports.

Yea I have been to the west coast,  dry for sure,  but again the majority of the players and schools are on the east side.  Atlanta is a major hub for most except those on the west coast.   Makes no sense to have it out there.   Make everyone travel to the west so you don't have to worry about rain?   Not practical

 

Not what I am saying, at the very least they should do an East/West event like USA Baseball...let the teams decide if they want to play in heat/humidity/ rain or in a nice temperature dry climate. Probably a lot of team but southeast and Atlantic sea aboard teams would consider west coast.

But you are probably right, a week of rain outs and rain delays is much more practical.

A couple of things to consider.

Coaches wont head out west to look for players when there are more than enough recruits here than most can handle.  

At any given time there is so much going on, not sure why anyone would head west.

If my rising uncommitted senior son was going into a tournament with 390 other teams (figure the math), maybe I would consider an uncommitted showcase instead. However if he were going to compete with teams from all over the country, then go for the experience.

JMO

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SanDiegoRealist posted:

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

 

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

Check the weather reports.

Yea I have been to the west coast,  dry for sure,  but again the majority of the players and schools are on the east side.  Atlanta is a major hub for most except those on the west coast.   Makes no sense to have it out there.   Make everyone travel to the west so you don't have to worry about rain?   Not practical

 

Not what I am saying, at the very least they should do an East/West event like USA Baseball...let the teams decide if they want to play in heat/humidity/ rain or in a nice temperature dry climate. Probably a lot of team but southeast and Atlantic sea aboard teams would consider west coast.

But you are probably right, a week of rain outs and rain delays is much more practical.

Nope! PA/NJ to Atlanta is drivable (780 miles). Driving to the west coast is not plausible. 

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

bacdorslider posted:

SanDiegoRealist posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

Sandiegorealist,

If you are from San Diego, maybe the weather in Georgia is kind of confusing.  But you might want to change the realist part of your user name.  Just kidding, I feel your pain in this case.  But your head would spin if you could see what our people are doing nearly around the clock to make the tournament as good as possible.  I hope you feel a bit differently as the tournament goes on. Hopefully you will see something you like.

PG Staff, trust me I know you cannot control the weather and that I have been critical of a few (ok, many) things related to perfect game tournament and the seemingly endless need to process a credit card or open a wallet as it relates to PG events. I guess I will ask you again: Why is there a need to charge parents a gate entry fee at a high school baseball field? We actually got a game in today after a 1.5 hour rain delay. So...I am becoming a happier camper. I know real estate is cheaper where there are mosquitos and rattle snakes (southeast in general and Arizona in general) but man, can someone please figure out a way to host these events in LA, Orange County or San Diego County? These extreme weather condition could be avoided easily if you just play in Southern California.

PG Staff, I know your crew is probably trying their best and I took a few shots out of frustration, but the $$$ complaints is very real. I spoke with many families of the team that we played today who were also of the same opinion. We had time to kill with a long rain delay.

 

 

Are you talking about the 10.00 to get in?  Umpires in heat deserve to be paid.... field rental..?  you lost me on paying the gate fee.... who doesn't pay a gate fee.

 

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

Check the weather reports.

Yea I have been to the west coast,  dry for sure,  but again the majority of the players and schools are on the east side.  Atlanta is a major hub for most except those on the west coast.   Makes no sense to have it out there.   Make everyone travel to the west so you don't have to worry about rain?   Not practical

 

Not true at all.  Ups here In Chicago we have had good weather and lots osf schools here.  

 with Georgia & Fla! (...and I made the trips 5-6 times over the years from Dallas) 1112+ miles each way & carrying 4 teenagers...and abt 3M white stripes, construction zones from Atlanta to Ala border, games at 12:00 AM, finish up @ 2:30 AM! Think that was the "monsoon of 2005". And PG worked all night to get fields in shape..even had clay shipped in! We all survived it! And never entertained B****ing about it!

SO...Just take it up with GOD! (He'd prob tell you to stay home!) 

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bacdorslider posted:

Also, you want to have the WWBA on the west coast so it's better for you?  75% of the teams are over on this side of the country....

I'm not sure what the percentage of travel teams are, but there is an opportunity for a big tournament in the West, as demonstrated by the 17U, 15U, and 14U USA Baseball tournaments in Arizona. What happens is that the vast majority of western teams simply don't go to the WWBA -- e.g., there are only 10 California teams, and 0 Arizona, Oregon, Nevada, or Washington teams, at the 17U WWBA. That's out of, what, 396 teams?

Maybe it should be renamed the EWBA (Eastern Wood Bat Association)?

(that was a joke, btw)

I respect, admire and support Jerry and PG immensely.  I believe him when he says that he's in it for baseball and young players.  However, I went to a double A game in Jacksonville, sat in boxed seats in a large and very nice stadium for $9.  $10 gate to watch my own kid play HS baseball left me feeling a bit chafed. The school still ran concessions and had numerous games with new teams and parents.  I was a little embarrassed, as I brought relatives with me, who had to spend $40 on a hs baseball game. 

That is probably an area that PG will want to reconsider how they do things. It is ripe for leading to hard feelings. 

TPM posted:

A couple of things to consider.

Coaches wont head out west to look for players when there are more than enough recruits here than most can handle.  

At any given time there is so much going on, not sure why anyone would head west.

If my rising uncommitted senior son was going into a tournament with 390 other teams (figure the math), maybe I would consider an uncommitted showcase instead. However if he were going to compete with teams from all over the country, then go for the experience.

JMO

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Teams recruit locally/regionally anyway, nothing changes with location.

Exactly.

So yeah, ultimately I have said the weather has been miserable. Not anything PG can control. We played at LP, fantastic facility, hats off there. The teams have all been top notch, and we did come for the competition, nothing more. So from that point of view it has been a worthwhile, albeit expensive trip. 

Now, I'd like to invite some of you east coast and Midwest posters who have been vocal about having the US's largest tournament in your own back yard to take the time and expense to travel out west to USA Baseball and see how the other 1/2 does it. It's miserable in Phoenix in August, but every game gets played (and not at 1am). I don't believe there were any/few teams entered in that tournament that came for further east than Texas. 

And yeah, I gripe about USA Baseball charging a gate fee too. Parents pay enough to get their kids into the tournament and to the events (food, lodging)...leave me by $10 for a Braves or Diamondback game. Thanks for the support, Teaching Elder.

You cannot compare the 10.00 gate fee to a high school fee or a minor league game. Both the high school and minor league game are subsidized by the school district and the parent club in many cases.   PG  I believe lets 12 and under in free.  I doubt the minor league team lets 12 and under in free.

As far as the west coast east coast thing.... not a bad idea.... but maybe you should target your tourney and showcases to better suit your needs.  In my opinion I like the Jupiter and World Series events better than WWBA. 

Baseball is recruited regionally, stay in your region and talk to schools locally like I said about 5 posts ago.  I took 2018 to Area Code games last year , flights, hotels, food, rental car  for 3-4 innings.   it happens,  play the hand or fold.

I think you can, there is plenty of negotiating power with the venue who owns the facility to lower gate fees. You could look into a couple free passes per player, you could look into family max pricing for the event...it doesn't change the venue cost to have 4 relatives show up and what the game, they only spend extra money on the snack stand...the gate fee is absolutely something that could be addressed in a better way and would go along way to lowering criticisms from the public.

PG lets 14 and under in free.  I pay a gate fee in other events, and don't mind it at PG. I also know LP charges for parking and those that have been to LP can understand that it is a very cool place that likely needs to recoup some money to maintain and expand.  So, I don't mind that either.

PG is NOT the only org that does this but can anyone explain the stay to play concept?  I mean if a parent wants to stay in motel 8 or aunt Suzy's couch vs. the Authorized hotels, why does that matter?