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I thought we had a thread for this already but maybe I am thinking of last year.

How is everyone’s season going? The warmer weather states are in full swing already.

Son’s team is a few games above .500 and have a chance to make the state tournament. Should be interesting down the stretch.

My son is a freshman (2021) this year. He’s gotten a few opportunities on varsity and he’s done well so far when given the chance. He’s hoping to earn some more chances.

I think they have 3 games this week. 1 more varsity tomorrow and a JV game on Wednesday before spring break.

Who else has games this week or is starting their season in the northern states?

 

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We are now 8 games into the season and sit 7-1 after losing a tough game to our arch rivals in the championship game of a tourney over the weekend. However, we held on to the #1 spot in the state in the polls. The HC has gotten some weird ideas concerning the pitching staff and has used my 2018 in a reliever role all season. So far, he's thrown 10 innings, allowed 0 hits, 1 earned run (HBP followed by three consecutive walks), struck out 27, walked 9 and hit 4. Hitters are 0-29 against him and only two balls have been put in play, a sac bunt and a chopper to third. After his first rough appearance where he K'd 11 and walked 7 in 4.1 ip, he's calmed down and now struck out 18 of the last 20 batters he's faced and that's been, not against scrubs, but included striking out 10 in a row against the #2 and #5 teams in the state. 

He's also been sitting a solid 90-92/T93. The gun was in the shade, so you can really only read it if you pull the video up on a larger screen and look hard at it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqVhSZW9djs

roothog66 posted:

We are now 8 games into the season and sit 7-1 after losing a tough game to our arch rivals in the championship game of a tourney over the weekend. However, we held on to the #1 spot in the state in the polls. The HC has gotten some weird ideas concerning the pitching staff and has used my 2018 in a reliever role all season. So far, he's thrown 10 innings, allowed 0 hits, 1 earned run (HBP followed by three consecutive walks), struck out 27, walked 9 and hit 4. Hitters are 0-29 against him and only two balls have been put in play, a sac bunt and a chopper to third. After his first rough appearance where he K'd 11 and walked 7 in 4.1 ip, he's calmed down and now struck out 18 of the last 20 batters he's faced and that's been, not against scrubs, but included striking out 10 in a row against the #2 and #5 teams in the state. 

He's also been sitting a solid 90-92/T93. The gun was in the shade, so you can really only read it if you pull the video up on a larger screen and look hard at it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqVhSZW9djs

Joaquin 'Wack' Campos: [after being the first Owl to get a foul tip off of Jimmy's fastball] Got a piece of that one!

cabbagedad posted:
roothog66 posted:

We are now 8 games into the season and sit 7-1 after losing a tough game to our arch rivals in the championship game of a tourney over the weekend. However, we held on to the #1 spot in the state in the polls. The HC has gotten some weird ideas concerning the pitching staff and has used my 2018 in a reliever role all season. So far, he's thrown 10 innings, allowed 0 hits, 1 earned run (HBP followed by three consecutive walks), struck out 27, walked 9 and hit 4. Hitters are 0-29 against him and only two balls have been put in play, a sac bunt and a chopper to third. After his first rough appearance where he K'd 11 and walked 7 in 4.1 ip, he's calmed down and now struck out 18 of the last 20 batters he's faced and that's been, not against scrubs, but included striking out 10 in a row against the #2 and #5 teams in the state. 

He's also been sitting a solid 90-92/T93. The gun was in the shade, so you can really only read it if you pull the video up on a larger screen and look hard at it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqVhSZW9djs

Joaquin 'Wack' Campos: [after being the first Owl to get a foul tip off of Jimmy's fastball] Got a piece of that one!

It's funny you use that quote because it's the first thing that came to mind for me. This was actually against a highly ranked school one classification below us, but we shouldn't have been playing them. Their dugout would go crazy when they fouled one off. They were badly mismatched and knew it. t one point one of the dad's in the stands is yelling at his kid, "Turn on it! Make contact!" Everyone around him laughed and he said, "It could happen."

9-1 and 6-0. We play a league game Thursday and then Saturday, Monday, Tuesday in a tournament over Easter break. Then another league game on Thursday after the tourney. Starting to get a good feel on some things and the best rotations off the bench. Still have a lot of work to do offensively but I think we will get there. Today will be the first day we have been on the field with temps where they normally are around here for this time of year. I am about sick and tired of freezing my butt off. Sunday it snowed 2 inches at my house. Today mid 70's and tomorrow approaching 80. Love this consistently crazy NC weather.

roothog66 posted:

We are now 8 games into the season and sit 7-1 after losing a tough game to our arch rivals in the championship game of a tourney over the weekend. However, we held on to the #1 spot in the state in the polls. The HC has gotten some weird ideas concerning the pitching staff and has used my 2018 in a reliever role all season. So far, he's thrown 10 innings, allowed 0 hits, 1 earned run (HBP followed by three consecutive walks), struck out 27, walked 9 and hit 4. Hitters are 0-29 against him and only two balls have been put in play, a sac bunt and a chopper to third. After his first rough appearance where he K'd 11 and walked 7 in 4.1 ip, he's calmed down and now struck out 18 of the last 20 batters he's faced and that's been, not against scrubs, but included striking out 10 in a row against the #2 and #5 teams in the state. 

He's also been sitting a solid 90-92/T93. The gun was in the shade, so you can really only read it if you pull the video up on a larger screen and look hard at it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqVhSZW9djs

Dalton looked good.  At the plate, the batters were reacting, not getting their motion going early enough.  Good pitching vs poor batting 

First games for my 2018 have been at a tourney in Mytrle Beach at Ripken.  1-3, so not a great start to the season, HC is fine tuning a few things.  Son was in MIF for first three games, with the last two in a double header.  His arm was a bit fatigued going into the 4th game where he was the SP.  Pitch count up to 78 with 54 S, so decent, he was sitting 85-87, first kid picked up a double, he seemed to be working out of the stretch through 4 innings, arm was hurting, they picked up 7 hits and won 8-1... Arm sore, not feeling hot about his performance.  We didn't realize he'd be SP after the previous days dbl hdr.  I would have advised against that...  Definitely not the normal set up for in season play.  He's typically been a closer and manning SS or 3B...  

They're finished and he's now off to Boca Grande for sun and fishing...the life.  I'm stuck in Chicago working...

((Edit: just looked at GC, off a bit:  TP 78, S 49, 20 batters faced, 3K's, 2 BB, lost 9-1))

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Jealous to all that have had so many games so far.  Opening day is supposed to be Sat 3/31.  Forecast looks OK so it should happen, unless the field (away) hasn't dried out due to the March snow storms we've had.

My 2019 is the opening day starter, but not sure how many innings he'll go.  He started our first preseason game and went 2 innings on Sat, then only 1 yesterday.  3 IP, 0 WHIP, 6K.  But that count won't help him go deep until mid April, as coach seems more focused on seeing who he has, rather than preparing for the season. Ugh...

 

My 2021 got to pitch his first varsity game this week.  The weather was bad and he got roughed up a bit in the beginning, but ended up being the WP.  Pitched 5 innings, striking out 5 allowed 1 run... he was exhausted the next day.  The weather has been crazy, we got in 3 games (2-1)since beginning of season.  I'm following the advice I received from parents on this forum to  just enjoy his first season of high school baseball!

JenksMom posted:

My 2021 got to pitch his first varsity game this week.  The weather was bad and he got roughed up a bit in the beginning, but ended up being the WP.  Pitched 5 innings, striking out 5 allowed 1 run... he was exhausted the next day.  The weather has been crazy, we got in 3 games (2-1)since beginning of season.  I'm following the advice I received from parents on this forum to  just enjoy his first season of high school baseball!

Great start to a varsity campaign. Good luck!

Son’s JV season ended last Wednesday. I think they only played 8 games due to rainouts and varsity rescheduling games. 

Varsity has a few games remaining and is probably a game or two above the cut line to make the playoffs. 

We don’t have the pitching depth that we probably need to make a run but we’ll see how it goes. Maybe they can get hot when it counts. 

 

We've only played 3 games because of weather, but the good thing is my 2019 son started all 3 games.  However, game 1 he threw 94 pitches and 90 game 2.

Today, after 6 innings he threw 95 pitches (over 20 in the 6th) and he had a 6-1 lead.  I was surprised when coach sent him out for the 7th.  After a leadoff single, coach comes to the mound where I figured he'd get the hook.  No!  After another single, he's finally yanked after 105 pitches.

Those two runners come around to score, so not only is he taxing his arm, but the ERA just needlessly went up, so now I'm pissed.  It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites.

I told my son he needs to talk to coach, but doubt he will.  There was no need to send him out for the 7th after 95 pitches.  Am I overreacting or should I say something to the coach if he doesn't? Coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer.

 

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CTbballDad posted:

We've only played 3 games because of weather, but the good thing is my 2019 son started all 3 games.  However, game 1 he threw 94 pitches and 90 game 2.

Today, after 6 innings he threw 95 pitches (over 20 in the 6th) and he had a 6-1 lead.  I was surprised when coach sent him out for the 7th.  After a leadoff single, coach comes to the mound where I figured he'd get the hook.  No!  After another single, he's finally yanked after 105 pitches.

Those two runners come around to score, so not only is he taxing his arm, but the ERA just needlessly went up, so now I'm pissed.  It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites.

I told my son he needs to talk to coach, but doubt he will.  There was no need to send him out for the 7th after 95 pitches.  Am I overreacting or should I say something to the coach if he doesn't? Coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer.

 

Are you overreacting?  Too hard to tell.  So many possibilities that we don't know about.  Is your son's arm built up from lessons, pens, etc.?  If so, 94, 90 and then 105 with proper rest between is not an unusual or particularly high count for a junior starter who is looked upon to get deep into games.  It is It is certainly unusual that a HS coach would not be throwing and developing other pitchers (as I would do) as opposed to just running out his #1 guy repeatedly.  But if they are all league games and you keep getting weather cancelations, and he is pitching on normal rest, is this definitively bad?  Or just not what you and I would do?  

Do you know what happened when the coach went out in the 7th?  Is it possible that your son said he felt great and begged to finish?   Does he throw effortlessly?   Was he showing signs of tiring or are you just referring to the number?  Again, I'm not saying it was right.  It doesn't make sense to me as you described it but the real scenario is often not just what one person sees from a distance, particularly when the one person is the pitcher's dad and when things go a little south.  

You kinda lose me on a few things...

"... the ERA just needlessly went up".  What does that mean?  It was still him pitching, wasn't it?  Is it possible the coach had confidence that he was the best guy for the job and wanted to preserve the win.  How does that translate into "needlessly"?

Also, "coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer."  Well, if he is the HS coach, the HS season is supposed to be his primary focus.  And during HS season, it is supposed to be the primary focus of the players as well.  Now, the HS coach should absolutely be taking necessary precautions to protect his players' futures at the same time.  But I already addressed possible scenarios where that may or may not be the case here.  You also say something about he is taxing his arm.  All pitching is taxing on the arm.  You allowing your son to pitch at all is putting his arm in harms way.  Everyone will have differing opinions on exactly how much is too much. 

"It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites."  Yes, that does require careful planning to assure that he keeps his arm in shape.  But sometimes, it becomes really difficult to balance things vs the push to attend this showcase and that one, while keeping your commitment to your travel ball team.  Are you guys always perfect with that plan when it comes to his arm safety?  Not easy, is it?  Never perfect, is it?  Similar challenge that the coach faces.

All this said, yes, you should come up with realistic guidelines that everyone is reasonably comfortable with.  If you don't think the coach is going to make reasonably safe decisions to that end, then yes, you should talk to him, along with your son.

 

 

Not good up in MN, compared to previous three years. Varsity had their first scrimmage on artificial turf today, and hope to play their opener tomorrow, again on Turf(practice field). Snow is still on the ground on most grass fields, and soil still frozen once you go down a few inches. Also expecting snow this weekend, and below freezing temps for much of next week.

 

   Bottom line is that not much BB is being played. Early am practices(all the other times are taken by regular customers) at indoor domes and a lot of batting cage time is the norm.

 

  

cabbagedad posted:
CTbballDad posted:

We've only played 3 games because of weather, but the good thing is my 2019 son started all 3 games.  However, game 1 he threw 94 pitches and 90 game 2.

Today, after 6 innings he threw 95 pitches (over 20 in the 6th) and he had a 6-1 lead.  I was surprised when coach sent him out for the 7th.  After a leadoff single, coach comes to the mound where I figured he'd get the hook.  No!  After another single, he's finally yanked after 105 pitches.

Those two runners come around to score, so not only is he taxing his arm, but the ERA just needlessly went up, so now I'm pissed.  It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites.

I told my son he needs to talk to coach, but doubt he will.  There was no need to send him out for the 7th after 95 pitches.  Am I overreacting or should I say something to the coach if he doesn't? Coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer.

 

Are you overreacting?  Too hard to tell.  So many possibilities that we don't know about.  Is your son's arm built up from lessons, pens, etc.?  If so, 94, 90 and then 105 with proper rest between is not an unusual or particularly high count for a junior starter who is looked upon to get deep into games.  It is It is certainly unusual that a HS coach would not be throwing and developing other pitchers (as I would do) as opposed to just running out his #1 guy repeatedly.  But if they are all league games and you keep getting weather cancelations, and he is pitching on normal rest, is this definitively bad?  Or just not what you and I would do?  

Do you know what happened when the coach went out in the 7th?  Is it possible that your son said he felt great and begged to finish?   Does he throw effortlessly?   Was he showing signs of tiring or are you just referring to the number?  Again, I'm not saying it was right.  It doesn't make sense to me as you described it but the real scenario is often not just what one person sees from a distance, particularly when the one person is the pitcher's dad and when things go a little south.  

You kinda lose me on a few things...

"... the ERA just needlessly went up".  What does that mean?  It was still him pitching, wasn't it?  Is it possible the coach had confidence that he was the best guy for the job and wanted to preserve the win.  How does that translate into "needlessly"?

Also, "coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer."  Well, if he is the HS coach, the HS season is supposed to be his primary focus.  And during HS season, it is supposed to be the primary focus of the players as well.  Now, the HS coach should absolutely be taking necessary precautions to protect his players' futures at the same time.  But I already addressed possible scenarios where that may or may not be the case here.  You also say something about he is taxing his arm.  All pitching is taxing on the arm.  You allowing your son to pitch at all is putting his arm in harms way.  Everyone will have differing opinions on exactly how much is too much. 

"It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites."  Yes, that does require careful planning to assure that he keeps his arm in shape.  But sometimes, it becomes really difficult to balance things vs the push to attend this showcase and that one, while keeping your commitment to your travel ball team.  Are you guys always perfect with that plan when it comes to his arm safety?  Not easy, is it?  Never perfect, is it?  Similar challenge that the coach faces.

All this said, yes, you should come up with realistic guidelines that everyone is reasonably comfortable with.  If you don't think the coach is going to make reasonably safe decisions to that end, then yes, you should talk to him, along with your son.

 

 

Thanks for the perspective, but I still think the coach messed this up:

I'm fine with my son throwing over 90 pitches, but not early April.  They/he needs to work up to that pitch count, especially with only 2 pre-season innings.

95 pitches after 6, which was the inning he threw the most, is enough.  He showed signs of fatigue and was not as sharp as his prior game.  Our state has a 110 pitch max rule, so throwing him out to maybe finish the inning in 15 pitches is foolish.

Our #2 and #3 senior starters were ready.  If you cannot rely on them to protect a 5 run lead, then our season is lost already.  Instead, he brings them in, for their first appearances of the year, with runners on and they struggle to close it, but finally do.  I believe you bring one in a clean inning, it's game set match.

To me, the ERA thing bugs me because he only gave up those hits because he was tired.  Then those runners scored when the relievers came in and we were OK with them scoring because we had a big lead.  A walk, then a SF and a ground out...he goes from 1 ER in 6IP to 3 ER in 6IP...that's a big deal.

My kid's 2022/23 team finally played a scrimmage against a local HSV team ranked low in their division (1-4) over the wintery spring break. They faced a few pitchers including their #2 starting pitcher. Team did remarkably well and even got a couple hits off their #2 starter pitcher (low to mid 80s). I was unable to attend with the work thing getting in the way again. My kid's middle school team played their first game over the weekend, temp was a "balmy" mid 30s with the wind. His team scored 8 runs in the first and 6 in the second and the coach may them coast the rest of the way to get run rule minimum...it was a bad flashback to the little league days. I think I will start knitting during those games

CTbballDad posted:
cabbagedad posted:
CTbballDad posted:

We've only played 3 games because of weather, but the good thing is my 2019 son started all 3 games.  However, game 1 he threw 94 pitches and 90 game 2.

Today, after 6 innings he threw 95 pitches (over 20 in the 6th) and he had a 6-1 lead.  I was surprised when coach sent him out for the 7th.  After a leadoff single, coach comes to the mound where I figured he'd get the hook.  No!  After another single, he's finally yanked after 105 pitches.

Those two runners come around to score, so not only is he taxing his arm, but the ERA just needlessly went up, so now I'm pissed.  It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites.

I told my son he needs to talk to coach, but doubt he will.  There was no need to send him out for the 7th after 95 pitches.  Am I overreacting or should I say something to the coach if he doesn't? Coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer.

 

Are you overreacting?  Too hard to tell.  So many possibilities that we don't know about.  Is your son's arm built up from lessons, pens, etc.?  If so, 94, 90 and then 105 with proper rest between is not an unusual or particularly high count for a junior starter who is looked upon to get deep into games.  It is It is certainly unusual that a HS coach would not be throwing and developing other pitchers (as I would do) as opposed to just running out his #1 guy repeatedly.  But if they are all league games and you keep getting weather cancelations, and he is pitching on normal rest, is this definitively bad?  Or just not what you and I would do?  

Do you know what happened when the coach went out in the 7th?  Is it possible that your son said he felt great and begged to finish?   Does he throw effortlessly?   Was he showing signs of tiring or are you just referring to the number?  Again, I'm not saying it was right.  It doesn't make sense to me as you described it but the real scenario is often not just what one person sees from a distance, particularly when the one person is the pitcher's dad and when things go a little south.  

You kinda lose me on a few things...

"... the ERA just needlessly went up".  What does that mean?  It was still him pitching, wasn't it?  Is it possible the coach had confidence that he was the best guy for the job and wanted to preserve the win.  How does that translate into "needlessly"?

Also, "coach only cares about his season where I'm thinking of the next 6 months and longer."  Well, if he is the HS coach, the HS season is supposed to be his primary focus.  And during HS season, it is supposed to be the primary focus of the players as well.  Now, the HS coach should absolutely be taking necessary precautions to protect his players' futures at the same time.  But I already addressed possible scenarios where that may or may not be the case here.  You also say something about he is taxing his arm.  All pitching is taxing on the arm.  You allowing your son to pitch at all is putting his arm in harms way.  Everyone will have differing opinions on exactly how much is too much. 

"It's going to be a long season with HS, travel ball and showcases trying to get college bites."  Yes, that does require careful planning to assure that he keeps his arm in shape.  But sometimes, it becomes really difficult to balance things vs the push to attend this showcase and that one, while keeping your commitment to your travel ball team.  Are you guys always perfect with that plan when it comes to his arm safety?  Not easy, is it?  Never perfect, is it?  Similar challenge that the coach faces.

All this said, yes, you should come up with realistic guidelines that everyone is reasonably comfortable with.  If you don't think the coach is going to make reasonably safe decisions to that end, then yes, you should talk to him, along with your son.

 

 

Thanks for the perspective, but I still think the coach messed this up:

I'm fine with my son throwing over 90 pitches, but not early April.  They/he needs to work up to that pitch count, especially with only 2 pre-season innings.

95 pitches after 6, which was the inning he threw the most, is enough.  He showed signs of fatigue and was not as sharp as his prior game.  Our state has a 110 pitch max rule, so throwing him out to maybe finish the inning in 15 pitches is foolish.

Our #2 and #3 senior starters were ready.  If you cannot rely on them to protect a 5 run lead, then our season is lost already.  Instead, he brings them in, for their first appearances of the year, with runners on and they struggle to close it, but finally do.  I believe you bring one in a clean inning, it's game set match.

To me, the ERA thing bugs me because he only gave up those hits because he was tired.  Then those runners scored when the relievers came in and we were OK with them scoring because we had a big lead.  A walk, then a SF and a ground out...he goes from 1 ER in 6IP to 3 ER in 6IP...that's a big deal.

I agree with you.  That is a lot of pitches for that early in the season.  We would like to think that coaches are concerned about arm health but the reality is that some are more worried about winning.  Your son has to be his own advocate and if he isn't, yes, I would have a talk with the coach. JMO.

roothog66 posted:

This week is a reminder of what spring in Colorado is like. We had a doubleheader snowed out Saturday. We have a game this afternoon and the high is forecast to be 89. We play again on Saturday - TWO days later - and the high is expected to be 45. 

Yep, we have a forecast of 78 in CT for Sat, then 39 for Sunday.  New England at its finest!

CTbballDad posted:
cabbagedad posted:
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Thanks for the perspective, but I still think the coach messed this up:

I'm fine with my son throwing over 90 pitches, but not early April.  They/he needs to work up to that pitch count, especially with only 2 pre-season innings.

95 pitches after 6, which was the inning he threw the most, is enough.  He showed signs of fatigue and was not as sharp as his prior game.  Our state has a 110 pitch max rule, so throwing him out to maybe finish the inning in 15 pitches is foolish.

Our #2 and #3 senior starters were ready.  If you cannot rely on them to protect a 5 run lead, then our season is lost already.  Instead, he brings them in, for their first appearances of the year, with runners on and they struggle to close it, but finally do.  I believe you bring one in a clean inning, it's game set match.

To me, the ERA thing bugs me because he only gave up those hits because he was tired.  Then those runners scored when the relievers came in and we were OK with them scoring because we had a big lead.  A walk, then a SF and a ground out...he goes from 1 ER in 6IP to 3 ER in 6IP...that's a big deal.

Added background helps.  I agree with most everything you said except the bolded.  How is that a big deal and to who?

  Sorry, I'm a little extra sensitive to this at the moment.  We are coming off a loss where it became evident that a few individuals were more concerned with their own stats than the team and it cost the team.  This becomes glaringly evident to teammates and to RC's from colleges who are there watching body language as well as performance.  And those few players happen to have the few parents leading the way in instilling a selfish attitude.  This can really put a damper on a season for an otherwise great group of young men and a great group of families... just as reckless coaching can. 

Also, there are many situations where a pitcher must be brought in mid-inning.  If your #2 and #3 starters cannot come in mid-inning to secure a five run lead, there are bigger issues than what you are describing.  JMO.

he goes from 1 ER in 6IP to 3 ER in 6IP...that's a big deal.

I'm not sure why this is a big deal.  Coach was trying to let his top guy finish the game, but he got into trouble, and unfortunately, he wasn't able to finish.  He was responsible for the runners, and as a result, he was credited with those earned runs.  In the long run, the law of averages will work out, and your son will benefit from guys saving him. He may leave the bases loaded, and a reliever comes in to put out the fire.  It's baseball, and sometimes you get the short end of the stick.

 

 

rynoattack posted:

he goes from 1 ER in 6IP to 3 ER in 6IP...that's a big deal.

I'm not sure why this is a big deal.  Coach was trying to let his top guy finish the game, but he got into trouble, and unfortunately, he wasn't able to finish.  He was responsible for the runners, and as a result, he was credited with those earned runs.  In the long run, the law of averages will work out, and your son will benefit from guys saving him. He may leave the bases loaded, and a reliever comes in to put out the fire.  It's baseball, and sometimes you get the short end of the stick.

 

 

Honestly, if you spend too much time worrying about HS statistics, you'll drive yourself crazy. Trust me on this. They are absolutely no factor in his importance to the team or in his future prospects. 

Speaking of the pitch count limits, it (sort of) bit my son in the rear end last night. We were playing the #5 team in 4A (we're 3A) and he took a no hitter into the seventh, up 2-0. Hit 110 pitches with 2 outs and had to leave the mound. So 6.2 innings of no hit ball. Just to brag for a minute, he had a hell of an outing. 15 K's, 4 BB's. He was sitting 91-93 through 4 innings and still 89-91 late and topped out at 94 several times (a personal best). So, on the season now he has thrown 16.2 innings and hasn't given up a hit yet - K'd 42. Every appearance was against a team ranked in the state no lower than #5. The latest velocity bump has been a big boost. 

Well, the first game of the season is in the books. Was teeth chatteringly cold, and played on a turf practice field. Had to leave after the 6th, and missed my son's unexpected debut as a closer. He used to pitch quite a bit, but hasn't for the last couple of years. His speed and glove are needed in the field. Said his first curve landed 40' away, but things got better later on. All in all, not a bad game under the conditions. 

 Apparently more snow(6") coming this weekend. 

A Freshman kid on the other team is already committed to Vandy? Seems like cradle robbing, to me.

We've had four regular season games with volatile temperatures, rain and snow.  The past Thursday my 2018 landed on the 15 day DL... at game time it was 60 with 10mph winds, an hour later it was 43.  Son was scheduled to pitch, he felt off in warm up only to adjust his arm  slot to avoid pain, lasted less than two innings.  Son was mortified thinking his baseball career was done, only to find out he was a bit out of balance from the front side of his shoulder.  "Internal rotation - GIRD type thing"  Anyway, we were relieved to find out that after two weeks he'll be good to go...

The Doctor told him point blank:  If you want to play baseball in college you should stay focused on your primary position as a MIF.  He said he's never done surgery on a position player... He said leave the pitching to those guys over 6'2 who have the levers.

Still only one game in the books. This week's games are all cancelled, and probably next weeks. To add insult to injury,  indoor dome time has also been cancelled. The recent 14" of snow is so heavy that the dome is in peril of collapsing, and so sticky that it isn't falling off. Special work crew needs to knock it off, somehow.

Nice balmy 82 degrees for our start time. We play Friday. Of course, snow is in the forecast. Last night, though, my 2018 got the no-hitter. A five inning, run rule affair, but, nevertheless goes in the books as a no-no. 13 K's, no walks. He did hit three batters. Only one batter put a ball in play - a line drive to F3 (the other out was a caught stealing by one of the HBP's). On the season now he has 21.2 ip, has given up ZERO hits, K'd 55, walked 13 and has an era of 0.32 (he gave up an earned run in his first appearance of the year when he hit a batter with two outs and then walked the next three). 

It really only hit me last night that he will only likely have one more regular season start and that senior season will be over in just about a month. 

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roothog66 posted:

Nice balmy 82 degrees for our start time. We play Friday. Of course, snow is in the forecast. Last night, though, my 2018 got the no-hitter. A five inning, run rule affair, but, nevertheless goes in the books as a no-no. 13 K's, no walks. He did hit three batters. Only one batter put a ball in play - a line drive to F3 (the other out was a caught stealing by one of the HBP's). On the season now he has 21.2 ip, has given up ZERO hits, K'd 55, walked 13 and has an era of 0.32 (he gave up an earned run in his first appearance of the year when he hit a batter with two outs and then walked the next three). 

It really only hit me last night that he will only likely have one more regular season start and that senior season will be over in just about a month. 

Congrats on that outstanding stat line - especially ZERO hits allowed. 

trojan-skipper posted:

sheesh... 21.2 innings and 0 hits.... that's freakishly good

Puts it on the line tomorrow against our conference rivals and the only team to have beaten us this year (we're 15-1 - they beat us 5-4 in a non-conference tourney game). As far as we can find, it looks like the state record is 29 consecutive hitless innings back in 1986. Can't find any record for hitless innings to start a season. This will be his last regular season start. Senior season has flown by.

roothog66 posted:

My 2018 gave up his first hit of the season last night. So, he extended it to 23.2 ip without a hit. Now stands at 28.2 ip and one hit on the season. 69 K's. Batters are 1-for-85 against him (0.012 OBA). 

Beyond amazing.  The stat that sticks out to me is the K's.  In my uninformed and unscientific opinion, K's per inning gives the best indication of success at the next level.  Your son's ratio is freakish.

roothog66 posted:

My 2018 gave up his first hit of the season last night. So, he extended it to 23.2 ip without a hit. Now stands at 28.2 ip and one hit on the season. 69 K's. Batters are 1-for-85 against him (0.012 OBA). 

Geez, Root, where did things go wrong?  Whatever he ate pre-game yesterday, remove it from the diet immediately.  Need to get that boy back on track   

cabbagedad posted:
roothog66 posted:

My 2018 gave up his first hit of the season last night. So, he extended it to 23.2 ip without a hit. Now stands at 28.2 ip and one hit on the season. 69 K's. Batters are 1-for-85 against him (0.012 OBA). 

Geez, Root, where did things go wrong?  Whatever he ate pre-game yesterday, remove it from the diet immediately.  Need to get that boy back on track   

Nah. That's his secret. He only eats hot dogs and McDoubles as far as I can tell.

Yesterday was the first really nice, upper 60’s sunny day. I decided to bike to a high school game. I got there. No game. A player walked out to get in his father’s car. Has anyone ever had a game postponed due to a manhunt? A cop killer was still at large. But it was 75 miles away.

RJM posted:

Yesterday was the first really nice, upper 60’s sunny day. I decided to bike to a high school game. I got there. No game. A player walked out to get in his father’s car. Has anyone ever had a game postponed due to a manhunt? A cop killer was still at large. But it was 75 miles away.

Uh...yeah...that's a first for me.

Trying to instill a bit more toughness in our V team...

Today, the boys had to show up as helpers for the Booster Club Golf Tournament that is the primary fundraiser for athletics.  They were able to come in shorts.  So the first two senior players show up... the first has socks with popsicles and the second has socks with penquins.   Much work to do on the toughness thing...

On a brighter note, with four league games to play, we have a slight lead and control our destiny at 14-3 in league.  

Another small world irony with HSBBW ties... as a long time follower and admirer of Coach May, I was excited to see that he got back into coaching the HS ranks this year..   interesting to see how many parallels even though we are coasts apart.  Roughly same size public HS, very similar in standings in league, league makeup, overall record, league record, relative state rank, even very close in Maxpreps national ranking.  I'll follow in those footsteps any day.  Here's to a strong finish (or start) for all HSBBW families, players, coaches and programs!

roothog66 posted:

My 2018 gave up his first hit of the season last night. So, he extended it to 23.2 ip without a hit. Now stands at 28.2 ip and one hit on the season. 69 K's. Batters are 1-for-85 against him (0.012 OBA). 

What a slacker! He couldn’t get to 0-86? j/k

What an awesome stat line! Now it’s time for a new streak. 

We play our last regular season game Saturday. While it's listed as a regular season game, it's really a Conference Championship. We're split into two divisions and the division champs play each other. For your viewing pleasure, I edited down my 2018's to just the pitches he threw on Thursday. Went over the video over the weekend and it broke down like this:

Of the 112 pitches he threw, I got velos on 83 fastballs. Nothing below 89 mph.

18 at 89 mph (14 of the 18 in the sixth and seventh innings)

22 at 90 mph

39 at 91 mph

3 at 92 mph 

1 at 93 mph

His last pitch (#112) was 91mph

It's in two parts totaling about 9 or 10 minutes, if any one is interested in watching.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAEeqYP4rs

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKul-b7cfo

 

roothog66 posted:

We play our last regular season game Saturday. While it's listed as a regular season game, it's really a Conference Championship. We're split into two divisions and the division champs play each other. For your viewing pleasure, I edited down my 2018's to just the pitches he threw on Thursday. Went over the video over the weekend and it broke down like this:

Of the 112 pitches he threw, I got velos on 83 fastballs. Nothing below 89 mph.

18 at 89 mph (14 of the 18 in the sixth and seventh innings)

22 at 90 mph

39 at 91 mph

3 at 92 mph 

1 at 93 mph

His last pitch (#112) was 91mph

It's in two parts totaling about 9 or 10 minutes, if any one is interested in watching.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAEeqYP4rs

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKul-b7cfo

 

Awesome Root! Sitting 89-91, touching 93 -- Wow!

2019Dad posted:
roothog66 posted:

We play our last regular season game Saturday. While it's listed as a regular season game, it's really a Conference Championship. We're split into two divisions and the division champs play each other. For your viewing pleasure, I edited down my 2018's to just the pitches he threw on Thursday. Went over the video over the weekend and it broke down like this:

Of the 112 pitches he threw, I got velos on 83 fastballs. Nothing below 89 mph.

18 at 89 mph (14 of the 18 in the sixth and seventh innings)

22 at 90 mph

39 at 91 mph

3 at 92 mph 

1 at 93 mph

His last pitch (#112) was 91mph

It's in two parts totaling about 9 or 10 minutes, if any one is interested in watching.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAEeqYP4rs

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKul-b7cfo

 

Awesome Root! Sitting 89-91, touching 93 -- Wow!

+1

Won district outright at 12-2.  Play the fourth best team from another district in the first round.  In Texas, it is either a one game or three game series that the coaches agree to.  If they don't agree, they flip a coin.  We lost.  One game series against a senior TCU commit pitcher Thursday night.

Son is behind three senior pitchers that took them deep in playoffs last year.  Pitched 25 innings, gave up one earned run.  Led the team in batting!  Well technically and not really.  He was a PO, but went in for a pitcher hitting for himself.  Went 1-2 with a walk.  Everytime coach pulls up the stats spreadsheet, he's at the top.  Coach says every time, "that's only on two at bats."

Go44dad posted:

Won district outright at 12-2.  Play the fourth best team from another district in the first round.  In Texas, it is either a one game or three game series that the coaches agree to.  If they don't agree, they flip a coin.  We lost.  One game series against a senior TCU commit pitcher Thursday night.

Son is behind three senior pitchers that took them deep in playoffs last year.  Pitched 25 innings, gave up one earned run.  Led the team in batting!  Well technically and not really.  He was a PO, but went in for a pitcher hitting for himself.  Went 1-2 with a walk.  Everytime coach pulls up the stats spreadsheet, he's at the top.  Coach says every time, "that's only on two at bats."

We lost the toss too. One game Wednesday.

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baseballhs posted:
Go44dad posted:

Won district outright at 12-2.  Play the fourth best team from another district in the first round.  In Texas, it is either a one game or three game series that the coaches agree to.  If they don't agree, they flip a coin.  We lost.  One game series against a senior TCU commit pitcher Thursday night.

Son is behind three senior pitchers that took them deep in playoffs last year.  Pitched 25 innings, gave up one earned run.  Led the team in batting!  Well technically and not really.  He was a PO, but went in for a pitcher hitting for himself.  Went 1-2 with a walk.  Everytime coach pulls up the stats spreadsheet, he's at the top.  Coach says every time, "that's only on two at bats."

We lost the toss two. One game Wednesday.

Just doesn't seem right to win district at 12-2 and then an 8-6 team gets to flip to decide the format most favorable to them.  But, oh well.

Go44dad posted:
baseballhs posted:
Go44dad posted:

Won district outright at 12-2.  Play the fourth best team from another district in the first round.  In Texas, it is either a one game or three game series that the coaches agree to.  If they don't agree, they flip a coin.  We lost.  One game series against a senior TCU commit pitcher Thursday night.

Son is behind three senior pitchers that took them deep in playoffs last year.  Pitched 25 innings, gave up one earned run.  Led the team in batting!  Well technically and not really.  He was a PO, but went in for a pitcher hitting for himself.  Went 1-2 with a walk.  Everytime coach pulls up the stats spreadsheet, he's at the top.  Coach says every time, "that's only on two at bats."

We lost the toss two. One game Wednesday.

Just doesn't seem right to win district at 12-2 and then an 8-6 team gets to flip to decide the format most favorable to them.  But, oh well.

This is my 15th year and I can't bevel the UIL won't fix this. 3-games needs to be the default unless both coaches agree on a 1-game format. Luckily we won a flip to get to play 3-games this first round.

Of course when I was in school there wasn't even a flip. If one coach wanted to go 1-game then it was a 1-game playoff.

Ridiculous.

The Texas system would be a big improvement on our's. Our whole playoff system is one game per matchup. 32 team bracket, single elimination, win 5 and you're the champ. I just checked Maxpreps, and there are 16 teams in D1 (our division) ranked in the Top 160 in Maxpreps (roughly top 1% in the country) so it is a complete crapshoot. 

Edited to add: and 27 teams in the Top 500

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2019Dad posted:

The Texas system would be a big improvement on our's. Our whole playoff system is one game per matchup. 32 team bracket, single elimination, win 5 and you're the champ. I just checked Maxpreps, and there are 16 teams in D1 (our division) ranked in the Top 160 in Maxpreps (roughly top 1% in the country) so it is a complete crapshoot. 

Edited to add: and 27 teams in the Top 500

In Colorado, it works like this:

32 teams. First weekend is eight districts (by seed - not geography) of four teams. Single elimination. The 8 district winners advance to an 8-team double-elimination bracket. The only part I don't like is the single elimination Districts. Just add a couple of time slots and make it double-elim like the NCAA. Problem with this set up is you often get lower seeded team who happen to have only one very good pitcher pull the upset and then move on to double-elim where they have basically no chance becuase the remainder of their staff is bad and the reason they were a low seed in the first place.

roothog66 posted:

We play our last regular season game Saturday. While it's listed as a regular season game, it's really a Conference Championship. We're split into two divisions and the division champs play each other. For your viewing pleasure, I edited down my 2018's to just the pitches he threw on Thursday. Went over the video over the weekend and it broke down like this:

Of the 112 pitches he threw, I got velos on 83 fastballs. Nothing below 89 mph.

18 at 89 mph (14 of the 18 in the sixth and seventh innings)

22 at 90 mph

39 at 91 mph

3 at 92 mph 

1 at 93 mph

His last pitch (#112) was 91mph

It's in two parts totaling about 9 or 10 minutes, if any one is interested in watching.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAEeqYP4rs

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKul-b7cfo

 

Very impressive root, congrats!

2019Dad posted:

The Texas system would be a big improvement on our's. Our whole playoff system is one game per matchup. 32 team bracket, single elimination, win 5 and you're the champ. I just checked Maxpreps, and there are 16 teams in D1 (our division) ranked in the Top 160 in Maxpreps (roughly top 1% in the country) so it is a complete crapshoot. 

Edited to add: and 27 teams in the Top 500

Yeah, Calif. Southern Section is brutal.  Seven divisions with an average of about 70 teams per division.  There are teams in D5 that can beat decent D1 teams on a given day.  Some divisions have the 32 team bracket plus play-in "wildcard" games.  All single elimination.  Very tough to get through any bracket.

2019, we faced a handful of good D1 teams from SoCal in our Easter Tourney... I forget if I already knew, would be curious to know what school your son is at.  PM if you'd like, will pull for you guys in a few weeks!  

We had a good win last night... 2 game lead with 3 to play in league.  Could get interesting.

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cabbagedad posted:
2019Dad posted:

The Texas system would be a big improvement on our's. Our whole playoff system is one game per matchup. 32 team bracket, single elimination, win 5 and you're the champ. I just checked Maxpreps, and there are 16 teams in D1 (our division) ranked in the Top 160 in Maxpreps (roughly top 1% in the country) so it is a complete crapshoot. 

Edited to add: and 27 teams in the Top 500

Yeah, Calif. Southern Section is brutal.  Seven divisions with an average of about 70 teams per division.  There are teams in D5 that can beat decent D1 teams on a given day.  Some divisions have the 32 team bracket plus play-in "wildcard" games.  All single elimination.  Very tough to get through any bracket.

2019, we faced a handful of good D1 teams from SoCal in our Easter Tourney... I forget if I already knew, would be curious to know what school your son is at.  PM if you'd like, will pull for you guys in a few weeks!  

We had a good win last night... 2 game lead with 3 to play in league.  Could get interesting.

Good luck! Sent you a PM

Go44dad posted:

Won district outright at 12-2.  Play the fourth best team from another district in the first round.  In Texas, it is either a one game or three game series that the coaches agree to.  If they don't agree, they flip a coin.  We lost.  One game series against a senior TCU commit pitcher Thursday night.

Son is behind three senior pitchers that took them deep in playoffs last year.  Pitched 25 innings, gave up one earned run.  Led the team in batting!  Well technically and not really.  He was a PO, but went in for a pitcher hitting for himself.  Went 1-2 with a walk.  Everytime coach pulls up the stats spreadsheet, he's at the top.  Coach says every time, "that's only on two at bats."

Won the "one-game" series 8-1 to advance.  TCU commit was big and threw hard, but wild.  Looked like playoff pressure got to his fielders behind him, didn't help him much. Senior "who always throws complete games and wins, but is not playing baseball after HS" threw an 88 pitch complete game.  And was very angry at himself when he gave up a run.  SRO

Play Cy-Ranch next week.  Big time series.  I think we are 5, 6 respectively in rankings.  Beat them last year in third game, third round.  Last inning, two out come from behind several runs type of beat them.

We played our conference championship game yesterday. Ours is the only conference in the state at any level split into divisions. Despite being ranked #1 in the state in the polls and in the rpi, we could only secure a first round district host spot by winning the championship game vs. the Western division champs, so, five hours into the mountains we traveled.

For whatever reason, our HC didn't really give our opponents the respect they deserve despite them being a top 10 ranked team. He decided he's start our #2, have him pitch a couple of innings, and then go to dalton for two innings, and so on down the rotation since we wouldn't be playing for a week after this. That almost backfired as our #2 struggled uncharacteristically and got us in a 5-0 hole by the end of the second. Meanwhile, they had a lefty on the mound shutting us down. We finally brought dalton in starting with the third and he threw five innings of no-hit shutout ball to give us a chance. We had scratched back to within one run, but still, entering the seventh, we were down 5-4 when our three-hole hitter bailed us out. He smashed an 0-2 fastball off the scoreboard at about 385' for the win. I'm attaching pictures from the at bat. It was a no-doubter from the swing. I honestly cried when he hit it and not because of the win-loss component, but just because I know what this kid may not realize for a decade or more - many people will live their entire lives without ever having a moment that can bring you this kind if joy. 

Dalton continued his great season. He finishes the regular season having thrown 33.2 innings and still given up only the one hit. An era of .042 with 80 K's. His opponent batting avg. is .010 (hitters are 1-for-100 against him). Let's hope that continues in the playoffs starting next Saturday.

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Need someone to talk me off the ledge.  My 2019 RHP son just got through their tough schedule stretch, where they won 9 games and my son got 4 W and a save.  He started today in a laugher, but coach pulled him after 4 IP, so he's available to pitch on Friday.  That move cost him a W and it's really eating at me.

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a sht about my son.

To add to it, coach has been unapproachable about helping with college recruiting.  Now I see why many kids have transferred to private school and repeat a year.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford that!

CTbballDad posted:

Need someone to talk me off the ledge.  My 2019 RHP son just got through their tough schedule stretch, where they won 9 games and my son got 4 W and a save.  He started today in a laugher, but coach pulled him after 4 IP, so he's available to pitch on Friday.  That move cost him a W and it's really eating at me.

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a sht about my son.

To add to it, coach has been unapproachable about helping with college recruiting.  Now I see why many kids have transferred to private school and repeat a year.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford that!

Not sure I understand... so you would rather he get one more inning in a laugher so he could add a W to his personal W-L record than have him available to help his team get what I assume would be a more meaningful win at the end of the week?  ?

I swear, I must be losing it... trying to figure out what is happening to the concept of TEAM when talking about a TEAM sport.  Sorry, not sympathetic at all on this one.  If anything, the coach should have pulled him sooner, depending on when it became a laugher.  

The goal is for the team to win, not for the individuals to pad stats.  Is the problem that the coach doesn't give a sht about your son or that your son doesn't give a sht about the team... or at least as much as he does about getting his personal W??

Earlier in this thread, you complained that he was being pitched in a game too long.  Now it's too short.  Then, you also complained about his ERA unnecessarily being increased because he wasn't at his best.  Again, the focus on the individual and not the team.  If your son shares your views on this being the focus, it may have something to do with why the coach isn't offering up much help with the college recruiting aspect.  When I have a talented player who thinks that way, I don't make any effort to help with recruiting either because I don't want to do that to the college coach.   I've seen far too often how that ends up.

 

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CTbballDad posted:

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a shit about my son.

I would say the opposite of not caring about your son. It sounds like he gave him a tune up outing and wants to use him sooner as a pitcher against a tougher team. There is a way better chance if he pitches well against a good team of playing after HS than a W against a bad team.

HS W-L record means nothing as far as playing after HS.

Imagine if every player got to make those decisions and not the coach? Imagine if the coach had to check with the parents to see what they wanted him to do before he made a decision. The coach has a job to do. He is attempting to put his team in the best position to win games. Of course there will be people who will second guess his decisions. But that's not the point. He is the coach. It's his decision to make. When he shows up at your job and starts telling you how to do your job then let him know he's out of bounds.

Last night in the state playoffs I pulled a Sr who was throwing a shut out after four innings. I took him out of the game. He gave me a hug as he walked off the field and pulled for his team mates. In the 6th I pinch hit for another Sr so he could go to the pen to potentially throw the top of the 7th. "Coach will I hit this inning." No go to the pen and get loose I want you to throw the top of the 7th to get some work. "Yes sir." He didn't get to pitch because we run ruled them in the bottom of the 6th. You see that's called a team. You better check this mentality and your son better check it if he has the me disease. Because I can assure you if he has any desire to play at the next level that disease will be sniffed out and snuffed out rather quickly.

I can tell you this the moment a player indicates to me that he is more important than we are there are going to be issues and we are going to get that straight. Come on your son did good. The team did good. Why would you take a nice bowl of stew and take a dump right in the middle of it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

cabbagedad posted:
CTbballDad posted:

Need someone to talk me off the ledge.  My 2019 RHP son just got through their tough schedule stretch, where they won 9 games and my son got 4 W and a save.  He started today in a laugher, but coach pulled him after 4 IP, so he's available to pitch on Friday.  That move cost him a W and it's really eating at me.

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a sht about my son.

To add to it, coach has been unapproachable about helping with college recruiting.  Now I see why many kids have transferred to private school and repeat a year.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford that!

your son doesn't give a sht about the team... or at least as much as he does about getting his personal W??

 

To be fair, it's dad out on this particular ledge. He doesn't say anything about his son's feelings. And isn't that often the case that parents take these things differently than the kids who actually are on the team?

Ja'Crispy posted:
CTbballDad posted:

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a shit about my son.

I would say the opposite of not caring about your son. It sounds like he gave him a tune up outing and wants to use him sooner as a pitcher against a tougher team. There is a way better chance if he pitches well against a good team of playing after HS than a W against a bad team.

HS W-L record means nothing as far as playing after HS.

Check that. Of all statistics anyone looks at with a high school pitcher, w/l is by far the least important - by far. In fact, completely meaningless.

CTbballDad posted:

Need someone to talk me off the ledge.  My 2019 RHP son just got through their tough schedule stretch, where they won 9 games and my son got 4 W and a save.  He started today in a laugher, but coach pulled him after 4 IP, so he's available to pitch on Friday.  That move cost him a W and it's really eating at me.

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a sht about my son.

To add to it, coach has been unapproachable about helping with college recruiting.  Now I see why many kids have transferred to private school and repeat a year.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford that!

Under NFHS rules, you only need to pitch 3 innings to qualify for a win.  And even if you don't , the scorekeepers can do whatever they want, so tell them to give your son the W.

hsbaseball101 posted:
CTbballDad posted:

Need someone to talk me off the ledge.  My 2019 RHP son just got through their tough schedule stretch, where they won 9 games and my son got 4 W and a save.  He started today in a laugher, but coach pulled him after 4 IP, so he's available to pitch on Friday.  That move cost him a W and it's really eating at me.

I know many here say stats don't matter, but pulling a kid before he qualifies for a W so he can pitch again on one days rest is making me think coach doesn't give a sht about my son.

To add to it, coach has been unapproachable about helping with college recruiting.  Now I see why many kids have transferred to private school and repeat a year.  Unfortunately, I cannot afford that!

Under NFHS rules, you only need to pitch 3 innings to qualify for a win.  And even if you don't , the scorekeepers can do whatever they want, so tell them to give your son the W.

I believe it's 4 innings in a 7 inning game, but 3 innings if it's less than 7.

Yeah. Here's the rule. However, I think most scorekeepers end up ignoring it completely, another reason that W/L means little in HS ball:

ART. 6 . . . Winning and losing pitchers are determined as follows:
a. If the starting pitcher has pitched the first four innings or more and his team is ahead when he is replaced and the team holds the lead for the
remainder of the game, he shall be the winning pitcher.
b. If a game ends for whatever reason, having gone less than seven innings, then the starting pitcher shall have pitched three or more consecutive innings to be declared the winning pitcher. If the starting pitcher cannot be declared the winning pitcher, and more than one relief pitcher is used, the winning pitcher shall be determined using the following criteria:
1. If the score is tied, it results in the game becoming a new contest so far as judging who is the winning and losing pitcher. 
2. If the starting pitcher is removed before having pitched four or more innings and his team is ahead, the official scorer shall determine the winning pitcher to be the relief pitcher who has been the most effective.
3. If the opposition goes ahead, pitchers up to that time in the game cannot be credited with the win. However, if the pitcher pitching subsequently
takes and maintains a lead the remainder of the game, said pitcher is credited with the win.
4. Generally the relief pitcher credited with the win is the pitcher when his team takes the lead and holds it for the rest of the game. However, if the relief pitcher pitches only a short while or not effectively and a succeeding relief pitcher replaces him and does better work in keeping the lead, the latter shall be granted the win.
c. If a pitcher is removed for a pinch-hitter or a pinch-runner, the runs scored by his team during the inning of his removal are to be credited to his benefit to decide the pitcher of record.
d. The starting pitcher shall be charged with the loss when he is replaced and his team is behind or falls behind because of runs assessed to him after
being replaced and his team does not subsequently tie the score or take the lead.
e. A pitcher cannot be given credit for pitching a shutout when he does not pitch the complete game except when he enters the game with no one out before the opponents have scored in the first inning and does not permit the opposition to score during the game.

ART. 7 . . . In order for a pitcher to be credited with a save, he shall meet all three of the following criteria:
a. he is the last pitcher in a game won by his team; and b. he is not the winning pitcher; and
c. he meets at least one of the following:
1. he enters the game with a lead of not more than three runs and pitches at least one inning; or
2. he enters the game regardless of the count on the batter with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck; or 
3. he pitches effectively for at least three innings. 
4. A starting pitcher who is replaced and then re-enters as pitcher can be credited with a win but not a save.

Man, we are still in the thick of things  in the upper midwest. Lotta games to make up for a slow start. Special jr. pinch hit, and was pinch run for, the second time this year. Surreal for him, because he's the fastest kid on the team, normally, but he has been out with a sprained ankle caused by stepping in an OF pothole early on...said pothole being caused the thaw, and lack of field prep. 

 

 Like I said, it's been a late spring. A lot of the pitchers look rusty. Some of the "studs"(D1 and very good D2 recruits) that I know about from seeing them on summer teams just aren't looking sharp. The hitters certainly seem to be ahead.

  The team has better fielding than last year's. Last year's team has some great athletic ability, but this year's team seems to be better ball players. Like all teams, it seems like we could use more pitching, but otherwise we look pretty good. Definitely top 10 in state(son said that we are in the Midwest top 10 in some USA Today poll, which I didn't even know existed...seems to be a reach) with a shot...it's all about pitching for us.

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Man, we are still in the thick of things  in the upper midwest. Lotta games to make up for a slow start. Special jr. pinch hit, and was pinch run for, the second time this year. Surreal for him, because he's the fastest kid on the team, normally, but he has been out with a sprained ankle caused by stepping in an OF pothole early on...said pothole being caused the thaw, and lack of field prep. 

 

 Like I said, it's been a late spring. A lot of the pitchers look rusty. Some of the "studs"(D1 and very good D2 recruits) that I know about from seeing them on summer teams just aren't looking sharp. The hitters certainly seem to be ahead.

  The team has better fielding than last year's. Last year's team has some great athletic ability, but this year's team seems to be better ball players. Like all teams, it seems like we could use more pitching, but otherwise we look pretty good. Definitely top 10 in state(son said that we are in the Midwest top 10 in some USA Today poll, which I didn't even know existed...seems to be a reach) with a shot...it's all about pitching for us.

Didn't know about the Midwest top 10.... the weather has been rough for us as well, in northern Illinois.. Good luck to you guys.

Oh, my. Yesterday was probably my kid's best day ever in baseball. We were playing in the first two rounds of the state tournament as the #1 seed in the state. In Colorado, 32 teams make the playoffs. They are put into 8 pods of four teams for the first round, called regionals, although there is nothing geographic about it. The regional round is single elimination, with the eight winners moving on to a double elim state tournament. We start our #3 pitcher and win the first game in run rule fashion. For the regional finals, our HC pulls the same move that almost cost us the Conference championship last week and starts our #2. He's had a great year, but been struggling lately - especially last week. He can't get out of the first and we give up seven runs in the top of the first before they can get Dalton warmed up to start the second inning.

He throws 7 innings of no-hit, shutout ball and we scratch back the seven runs and go into the bottom tied at 7-7. With runners at 1 & 3 and one out, they walk our cleanup hitter to get to Dalton, who takes the first pitch and:

 

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His season has been something I never really could have even imagined in my wildest dreams. His tats on the mound this year:

40.3 ip, era 0.34, 1 hit allowed, 95 K's. He started the year with 23.2 ip without giving up a hit, then, after giving up his first hit, started another streak that's alive at 17 straight hitless innings. In addition, the velocity has spiked. Yesterday, I didn't get a look until I got home. Threw on the video and just randomly picked a spot in his first inning - four consecutive pitches at 93 mph. I know I'm obnoxiously bragging here, but I'm still emotional over yesterday. It was his last appearance on the mound in his home park and that was his last at bat at home. I LOVE this time of year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

roothog66 posted:

Oh, my. Yesterday was probably my kid's best day ever in baseball. We were playing in the first two rounds of the state tournament as the #1 seed in the state. In Colorado, 32 teams make the playoffs. They are put into 8 pods of four teams for the first round, called regionals, although there is nothing geographic about it. The regional round is single elimination, with the eight winners moving on to a double elim state tournament. We start our #3 pitcher and win the first game in run rule fashion. For the regional finals, our HC pulls the same move that almost cost us the Conference championship last week and starts our #2. He's had a great year, but been struggling lately - especially last week. He can't get out of the first and we give up seven runs in the top of the first before they can get Dalton warmed up to start the second inning.

He throws 7 innings of no-hit, shutout ball and we scratch back the seven runs and go into the bottom tied at 7-7. With runners at 1 & 3 and one out, they walk our cleanup hitter to get to Dalton, who takes the first pitch and:

 

ATTA BOY!!!!

Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

roothog66 posted:

His season has been something I never really could have even imagined in my wildest dreams. His tats on the mound this year:

40.3 ip, era 0.34, 1 hit allowed, 95 K's. He started the year with 23.2 ip without giving up a hit, then, after giving up his first hit, started another streak that's alive at 17 straight hitless innings. In addition, the velocity has spiked. Yesterday, I didn't get a look until I got home. Threw on the video and just randomly picked a spot in his first inning - four consecutive pitches at 93 mph. I know I'm obnoxiously bragging here, but I'm still emotional over yesterday. It was his last appearance on the mound in his home park and that was his last at bat at home. I LOVE this time of year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

With Winn in SoCal this year, is your boy going to be state pitcher of the year? Can't imagine anyone is having a better year.

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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

roothog66 posted:

His season has been something I never really could have even imagined in my wildest dreams. His tats on the mound this year:

40.3 ip, era 0.34, 1 hit allowed, 95 K's. He started the year with 23.2 ip without giving up a hit, then, after giving up his first hit, started another streak that's alive at 17 straight hitless innings. In addition, the velocity has spiked. Yesterday, I didn't get a look until I got home. Threw on the video and just randomly picked a spot in his first inning - four consecutive pitches at 93 mph. I know I'm obnoxiously bragging here, but I'm still emotional over yesterday. It was his last appearance on the mound in his home park and that was his last at bat at home. I LOVE this time of year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

Congrats!  Root PM

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roothog66 posted:

His season has been something I never really could have even imagined in my wildest dreams. His tats on the mound this year:

40.3 ip, era 0.34, 1 hit allowed, 95 K's. He started the year with 23.2 ip without giving up a hit, then, after giving up his first hit, started another streak that's alive at 17 straight hitless innings. In addition, the velocity has spiked. Yesterday, I didn't get a look until I got home. Threw on the video and just randomly picked a spot in his first inning - four consecutive pitches at 93 mph. I know I'm obnoxiously bragging here, but I'm still emotional over yesterday. It was his last appearance on the mound in his home park and that was his last at bat at home. I LOVE this time of year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

With Winn in SoCal this year, is your boy going to be state pitcher of the year? Can't imagine anyone is having a better year.

There's no Pitcher of the Year in Colorado that I know of. He was nominated for Gatorade POY. There is one kid up at Pine Creek - Justin Olson - having a monster year with the bat. There's also the fact that we play at the 3A level (out of 5 classifications). There are some saying they don't see it going to a 3A player, but two pitchers from our school have won the award. Scott Brocail - little brother of Rangers pitching coach Doug Brocail and Scott Elarton, so, there's a chance. 

Winn won it last year at a 4A school, but, of course, he moved to Southern Cal. DAlton currently has the lowest era in the state at any classification level and that one hit in 40.2 ip is an eye opening stat. We'll see. Either way, he's having a fun senior year.

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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

What a great moment!

cabbagedad posted:
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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

roothog66 posted:

Oh, my. Yesterday was probably my kid's best day ever in baseball. We were playing in the first two rounds of the state tournament as the #1 seed in the state. In Colorado, 32 teams make the playoffs. They are put into 8 pods of four teams for the first round, called regionals, although there is nothing geographic about it. The regional round is single elimination, with the eight winners moving on to a double elim state tournament. We start our #3 pitcher and win the first game in run rule fashion. For the regional finals, our HC pulls the same move that almost cost us the Conference championship last week and starts our #2. He's had a great year, but been struggling lately - especially last week. He can't get out of the first and we give up seven runs in the top of the first before they can get Dalton warmed up to start the second inning.

He throws 7 innings of no-hit, shutout ball and we scratch back the seven runs and go into the bottom tied at 7-7. With runners at 1 & 3 and one out, they walk our cleanup hitter to get to Dalton, who takes the first pitch and:

 

THAT IS AWESOME!!

 

roothog66 posted:

Oh, my. Yesterday was probably my kid's best day ever in baseball. We were playing in the first two rounds of the state tournament as the #1 seed in the state. In Colorado, 32 teams make the playoffs. They are put into 8 pods of four teams for the first round, called regionals, although there is nothing geographic about it. The regional round is single elimination, with the eight winners moving on to a double elim state tournament. We start our #3 pitcher and win the first game in run rule fashion. For the regional finals, our HC pulls the same move that almost cost us the Conference championship last week and starts our #2. He's had a great year, but been struggling lately - especially last week. He can't get out of the first and we give up seven runs in the top of the first before they can get Dalton warmed up to start the second inning.

He throws 7 innings of no-hit, shutout ball and we scratch back the seven runs and go into the bottom tied at 7-7. With runners at 1 & 3 and one out, they walk our cleanup hitter to get to Dalton, who takes the first pitch and:

 

Woohoo - congrats!

Giving up one hit over the course of the season = PoY!

Weather still mediocre, but playable, and yesterday we get...a rainout. Selfishly, I don't mind, because son continues to be out with a grade two ankle sprain, but the team, especially the pitchers, need to get their mojo going. of course, this was the first time in years that they didn't go down to Orlando for spring break pre season.

Son's team was eliminated from playoffs last week.  Drummed 7-0, 11-0.  Opponent played exactly one player that was not committed to a D1 or Juco.  And had two D1 commit pitchers that did not pitch. But hey, there is always someone bigger, better.  We beat them last year, I don't think we got a runner to third this year.

I think I saw the best youth hitter I have ever seen.  And he is PG ranked top 1000 or something.  My son thought the same thing.

Son seems to be taking it alright.  Pretty quiet the first couple of days, but moved on pretty quickly.  I just leave him alone when defeat happens.  He talks when he is ready.  It would have been fun to advance, of course.

Here comes travel baseball.  It has been a blast every year. We will both see old friends, make new ones and travel the country.  Will play very good competition, son will get to hit and play the field (PO'd this HS season).  But there is this strange feeling for both of us, knowing that no travel game/bracket/situation is going to feel the same as High School.  The intensity, camaraderie, support from classmates can't be touched in our experience.

 

roothog66 posted:
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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

So your son goes to Lamar? My son plays at Mountain Vista. small world. Good luck to you guys

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cabbagedad posted:
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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

So your son goes to Lamar? My son plays at Mountain Vista. small world. Good luck to you guys

Wow. Yeah, and I coach with Scott Boyd in the summers for the Yard Dawgs. 3A sort of get ignored in Colorado, but - if I can brag for a minute - he gets a mention on this show (at about the 7:45 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

roothog66 posted:
cabbagedad posted:
nxt lvl posted:

Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

Makes me recall my son's last HS AB. Based loaded, 2 outs, down 11-1; 3 RBI double line shot. 11-4. Next batter backwards K. Oh well.

roothog66 posted:
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roothog66 posted:
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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

So your son goes to Lamar? My son plays at Mountain Vista. small world. Good luck to you guys

Wow. Yeah, and I coach with Scott Boyd in the summers for the Yard Dawgs. 3A sort of get ignored in Colorado, but - if I can brag for a minute - he gets a mention on this show (at about the 7:45 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

We knocked out Legend in the regionals. A few Yard Dog alums onVista Team. My son is a year younger than Grant so "blocked" in a manner of speaking.

TStevens posted:
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roothog66 posted:
cabbagedad posted:
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Well....Sons high school career is over now. Ended late Sunday after an epic 12 inning game! Third game in the championship series. Winner take all game. What a ride!! Almost four hours of drama. We had the game won four different times in extra innings. Also we were up by two going into the seventh and gave up a three run homer and had to come back in the bottom of the seventh just to send it into extras. Came close to winning it there but stranded my son on third base.

A very dramatic game that included a bases loaded potentially series winning grounder that went through between the drawn-in second and first basemen to win the game but only to have the ball bounce off the runners leg to kill the play and suck the momentum out of everyone after the umpires cleared the field of celebrating players and fans.

We win it with a walk off home run from the same kid who got hit in the leg,in the twelfth, for the fifth straight championship and my sons third ring!! What a ride!!

Cant wait to see the next episode.....

Wow.  Not sure how you go forward with a baseball career and top that.  Wish you could post the last pitch of that one like Root did... we could just put up those two clips for those that come on and profess that HS baseball doesn't mean anything any more and isn't competitive. 

Congrats !!

Yep. Seeing my kid break into tears when it was mentioned that was his last home at bat...can't tell me HS ball doesn't mean anything anymore.

So your son goes to Lamar? My son plays at Mountain Vista. small world. Good luck to you guys

Wow. Yeah, and I coach with Scott Boyd in the summers for the Yard Dawgs. 3A sort of get ignored in Colorado, but - if I can brag for a minute - he gets a mention on this show (at about the 7:45 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...amp;feature=youtu.be

We knocked out Legend in the regionals. A few Yard Dog alums onVista Team. My son is a year younger than Grant so "blocked" in a manner of speaking.

Only as a catcher. Grant caught Dalton in a bullpen when he threw for the Hawaii coach last year. Nice kid.

Well, our turn for it to end last night...

They reached a huge goal of winning league.  The other goal of a deep playoff run in the gauntlet of the very large and very competitive California Southern Section ended abruptly with an extra inning 2-1 loss at home in front of a big crowd.  We had turned momentum in our favor late and then it was suddenly over.  

There is something special and at the same time very painful about the end coming at home.  The boys got to hang around the field afterward and sort of process it all.  Several seniors sitting out on the grass for the last time, lots of crying and hugging.  I guess that means it really is special.  I've been through it far too often... I should be able to handle it by now.  I didn't.  Great group of now-young-men.  Great year.

Still drained and "eye allergies kicking in" again as I type this. 

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Well, our turn for it to end last night...

They reached a huge goal of winning league.  The other goal of a deep playoff run in the gauntlet of the very large and very competitive California Southern Section ended abruptly with an extra inning 2-1 loss at home in front of a big crowd.  We had turned momentum in our favor late and then it was suddenly over.  

There is something special and at the same time very painful about the end coming at home.  The boys got to hang around the field afterward and sort of process it all.  Several seniors sitting out on the grass for the last time, lots of crying and hugging.  I guess that means it really is special.  I've been through it far too often... I should be able to handle it by now.  I didn't.  Great group of now-young-men.  Great year.

Still drained and "eye allergies kicking in" again as I type this. 

Hey Cabbagedad, I feel your pain.  Brings back painful memories also.  CA So Section also, lost ours bottom 7th, score tied (we were visitors) runner on 2nd, base hit , runner rounds 3rd trying to score. Our outfielder (D1 bound), error free entire year, made an error, game over.  Wasn't our day in the eyes of the baseball gods.  Oh, and btw, you would think there would be allergy meds for college seasons and beyond but my allergies still kick up!  Great you enjoyed the ride up until the last game.

Can't believe it's over.  It goes so fast.  My 2018 helped his high school team (Nor Cal high academic school with zero sports history) reach the Region playoffs for the first time in 25 years!  Playoff lasted one game, but the team competed to the end against a much stronger, stocked team.  Got a nice crowd of students and former players to come out and pack the visitor stands.  Great ride.  Not sure what I will do with myself now.

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Team won district championship and lost next round.  Great season for a team that was not supposed to do anything special.  Son received South Carolina Class AA All State Player of the Year. 

Congrats! I grew up in SC. Would you mind  mentioning what high school he attends?

Blacksburg, SC   Blacksburg High School

We lost Friday night in the 4th round. It was a great game. Both starters were outstanding. Their guy had a no no through 8.1 and left because of pitch count. Our guy had a 1 hitter after 7.1 and only 1 hit allowed. We scored one in the top of the 9th to take a 1-0 lead. In the bottom of the 9th our closer who had only given up 1 er all year just lost command. He walked the lead off. The next guy put down a sac bunt that was perfectly placed and we didn't get him. Next hitter got an infield single. Next guy blooped one down he RF line and we lost 2-1. We finished 21-6 conference champs and lost in the elite 8. Very proud of my guys they fought to the last pitch. We lost those 6 games by a combined total of 8 runs. Five 1 run L's and a 3 run loss. The most runs we gave up in a single game was 4. 

It's always tough to see those seniors go. I was truly blessed to be their coach. 

I went to see 2017's HS team play 2nd round of section today and was treated to one of the best HS games I've ever seen.  It's great returning as an alumni parent and being able to enjoy the game without sweating how your kid does.

This game was a see-saw affair that ended in the bottom of the 9th with the good guys winning 4-3.  So many great plays. The opponent's CF made a crashing-into-the-wall catch, and their 3B made a bunch of outstanding plays, including one on a one-hopper hit so hard it literally knocked him onto his butt before getting up and gunning the hitter at 1st. Our guys made some fine plays too, snuffing out a suicide squeeze and turning a 5-3-6 (covering 3rd) double play.  Both pitchers went 8 innings.  Several clutch hits, including a double that tied the game in the bottom of the 7th, and that the player's dad proudly informed me had broken my son's school record for most hits in a season. I was glad to see him get it.  Semifinal game coming up!

2018's team is ranked #1 in State going into the post season. Unfortunately their section is the toughest in State, and upsets are usually the norm. The team can hit, and has two very good starters. Much better fielding than last year, but there are still a couple of holes. Also don't like the closing situation.

We'll see. Team has never won it all.

My 2018's HS baseball season came to an end yesterday, with a loss of 4-3 in the 8th inning.  Score was 2-2 through the 5th, son went yard to make it 3-2 to top of 7, other team tied it, taking it to extra innings.  This was the 3rd round losing the regional, we were seeded 13 and beat both the 4th and 5th seeds.  Bummer.  The last two games were some of the best HS baseball I've seen.

Son was up working out and hitting this morning.  A good sign.

Thankful for our veterans who serve us, I love this country.  Happy Memorial Day to you all!

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Our season isn't over yet! Double elimination state tourney started Friday. We won the first game, lost, and then won our elimination game to move on to the Final Four Friday and Saturday. My 2018 pitched the first game and struck out a career high 19 in 6.1 ip. The closer came in and struck out 2, so all 21 outs were by strikeout. I can't remember ever seeing that. Dalton did give up 2 hits, both to the same batter. So that guy is 2-for-3 against Dalton and everyone else is 1-for-139. He has one more high school start. Can't believe how fast it has all gone by. He's having a record year. 47 ip, 3 hits allowed, 114 K's vs. 25 BB's and a 0.30 era, which will beat out Scott Elarton's school record if he can avoid an earned run in that final game. Below is an edited video of all his pitches in the game. He did give up four unearned runs when our left fielder allowed a single to get past him for a two base error, Dalton walked a kid who stole second and we intentionally walked their 3-hole hitter to load the bases. After striking out the next batter, a kid lays down a hard bunt and F5 ignores the force at home and launches a throw into right field for a three base, three run error. Then Dalton wp that kid home. Luckily, we scored enough and no one reached scoring position for them after that.

Wish I could add to the happy stories, but son's team, ranked 1st in State, stunk it up and lost to a lowly ranked team in the first PO game. Everything that could go wrong, did. We actually hit the ball hard, but everything seemed either to go directly to an OF'er or they made an outstanding running/sliding/diving catch. All of their contact seemed to drop in, but we didn't do ourselves any favors by trying to be too cute with the pitching rotation.

 

Ugh. Son came home, grabbed a big bunch of ice cream, and went to his room, announcing that he was depressed.

roothog66 posted:

Our season isn't over yet! Double elimination state tourney started Friday. We won the first game, lost, and then won our elimination game to move on to the Final Four Friday and Saturday. My 2018 pitched the first game and struck out a career high 19 in 6.1 ip. The closer came in and struck out 2, so all 21 outs were by strikeout. I can't remember ever seeing that. Dalton did give up 2 hits, both to the same batter. So that guy is 2-for-3 against Dalton and everyone else is 1-for-139. He has one more high school start. Can't believe how fast it has all gone by. He's having a record year. 47 ip, 3 hits allowed, 114 K's vs. 25 BB's and a 0.30 era, which will beat out Scott Elarton's school record if he can avoid an earned run in that final game. Below is an edited video of all his pitches in the game. He did give up four unearned runs when our left fielder allowed a single to get past him for a two base error, Dalton walked a kid who stole second and we intentionally walked their 3-hole hitter to load the bases. After striking out the next batter, a kid lays down a hard bunt and F5 ignores the force at home and launches a throw into right field for a three base, three run error. Then Dalton wp that kid home. Luckily, we scored enough and no one reached scoring position for them after that.

the real question is how did the team he is playing against make the playoffs?

old_school posted:
roothog66 posted:

Our season isn't over yet! Double elimination state tourney started Friday. We won the first game, lost, and then won our elimination game to move on to the Final Four Friday and Saturday. My 2018 pitched the first game and struck out a career high 19 in 6.1 ip. The closer came in and struck out 2, so all 21 outs were by strikeout. I can't remember ever seeing that. Dalton did give up 2 hits, both to the same batter. So that guy is 2-for-3 against Dalton and everyone else is 1-for-139. He has one more high school start. Can't believe how fast it has all gone by. He's having a record year. 47 ip, 3 hits allowed, 114 K's vs. 25 BB's and a 0.30 era, which will beat out Scott Elarton's school record if he can avoid an earned run in that final game. Below is an edited video of all his pitches in the game. He did give up four unearned runs when our left fielder allowed a single to get past him for a two base error, Dalton walked a kid who stole second and we intentionally walked their 3-hole hitter to load the bases. After striking out the next batter, a kid lays down a hard bunt and F5 ignores the force at home and launches a throw into right field for a three base, three run error. Then Dalton wp that kid home. Luckily, we scored enough and no one reached scoring position for them after that.

the real question is how did the team he is playing against make the playoffs?

I completely agree with you.

While you guys are winding up, we in Iowa are just getting started. Six games in, our team is 6-0. Son has pitched two games with 13 innings pitched, 17 strikeouts, 177 pitches between the two games and a 0.0 ERA. AND last night he hit his first home run to score three runs. It's been a good season so far, although all the senior parents were a little sad to see it start. It means we're that much closer to ending. 

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Don't any of you guys have kids who suck?

Son's team had a narrow victory over a mediocre opponent just to stay alive. Was happy to see that one underused senior pitcher pitched two solid innings in relief. Son said it's great to be in the field with him because he doesn't walk people, pitches fast, and when he keeps it low, allows weak contact. Fielders are all on their toes, waiting to contribute, and they usually do. Wish some of the other pitchers would pay more attention to location, than velo and "stuff".

 

 The other "weak" team that we lost to to start out just beat another strong team, and the #3oa in State is already out after two straight loses to "weak" opponents. Crazy year. 73 mph thumb tossers are killing the big guns. Guys throwing mid 80's and up are getting beat.

Still alive after winning 4 in a row. Doubleheader last night in a beautiful old town ball field. Won 6-0, and 12-8. Our pitcher threw a masterpiece in the first game against a very strong hitting team. Touched 89 a couple of times, but his control, and slider were terrific. Lotta FB's at the knees, then the out pitch around the armpits.

  Second game was a slugfest. 3HR's, couple triples, and some doubles. Son didn't have his best night, but was on base all night long, and his speed seemed to get in the fielder's heads. He had two ROE, then one more error around him when he was on the basepaths.

   A couple of parents were joking that if any scouts were watching then two of our players might get drafted. The pitcher is 6'4" and is "projectable". Also can really pitch. Pitches in the high 80's, can touch 90...like most northern pitchers, there is probably a lot of life still in the arm. He plays hockey still.

  The other kid had two HR, a triple, and at least one double, I think. Also hit a contested foul ball/HR...it was moon shot way over the foul pole that was anybody's guess what it was. I was just glad that it missed my car.

  Down side is that the team has to play on Wed against a very good team with their top 3 pitchers unable to go because of pitch count issues, and another one with iffy health. I'm guessing that a position player will be pressed into service, with 57 jr. the odds on favorite to go. Yikes!

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old_school posted:
roothog66 posted:

Our season isn't over yet! Double elimination state tourney started Friday. We won the first game, lost, and then won our elimination game to move on to the Final Four Friday and Saturday. My 2018 pitched the first game and struck out a career high 19 in 6.1 ip. The closer came in and struck out 2, so all 21 outs were by strikeout. I can't remember ever seeing that. Dalton did give up 2 hits, both to the same batter. So that guy is 2-for-3 against Dalton and everyone else is 1-for-139. He has one more high school start. Can't believe how fast it has all gone by. He's having a record year. 47 ip, 3 hits allowed, 114 K's vs. 25 BB's and a 0.30 era, which will beat out Scott Elarton's school record if he can avoid an earned run in that final game. Below is an edited video of all his pitches in the game. He did give up four unearned runs when our left fielder allowed a single to get past him for a two base error, Dalton walked a kid who stole second and we intentionally walked their 3-hole hitter to load the bases. After striking out the next batter, a kid lays down a hard bunt and F5 ignores the force at home and launches a throw into right field for a three base, three run error. Then Dalton wp that kid home. Luckily, we scored enough and no one reached scoring position for them after that.

the real question is how did the team he is playing against make the playoffs?

That is a pretty good team. Advanced to the final eight. But, not many teams will look all that good vs. 93mph. Hell, that team had more hits against him in that one game than he gave up all season combined.

Season is finished. We made it to the title game. Our format is an alteration of double elim. Eight teams at state. It works normally until you get to the last four teams. Then they arrange it so that there are no rematches if possible. The team that went 3-0 is automatically in the championship game, but still plays a "semifinal" game. If they win, they play the winner if the other matchup and have to be beaten twice. If they lose, the team that beat them plays the winner of the other game and the winner of that game meets them for a winner-take-all title game.

We matched up against the 3-0 team. Dalton got the start and struggled with an unbelievably tight strike zone. He couldn't get ahead in the count, so he couldn't establish any off speed. They got 3 hits off of him. One shouldn't have been ruled a hit. With a man on first, the kid put down a sac bunt. Dalton slipped and fell on his ass picking it up. The guy from first tried to go to third and he nailed him for the out. The other two hits were triples.

He had to leave the game in the sixth while we were uo 5-2. He had walked the first two batters and then K'd the third. Our closer/#3 starter came in and got what looked to be a 3-6-3 double play, but we didn't get the call at first. He then proceeded to give up three runs and the game was tied.

It stayed 5-5 going into the bottom of the 7th. After two guys flied out to the warning track, our #3 hit one off the top of the wall in right, then our #4 drew a walk. Dalton then lined a 3-1 pitch off the left field wall for the walk off double.

We advanced to play the team that beat us 2-0 in the second round. We started our #2 who had struggled lately. However, he did not struggle on this day, throwing a 79 pitch complete game 2-hitter to win 3-1 and put us in the championship. 

So, we played University again. They had three losses on the season and we had tow of those. However, we were out of pitching and theybhad their ace. It was ugly - very ugly. We started the #2 who had 31 pitches left and he was just too tired and never made it out of the first. After that, it was JV pitching and we got routed 21-2. It was the first time we had been run ruled since 2012. 

Their stud hit for the cycle and added a second HR for good measure. Had 9 rbi. That gave him 52 in 27 games and I imagine gave him the state POY over Dalton because they always seem to give it to someone from the championship team.

High school is over. We immediately drove to Jamestown, NY to begin summer ball.

Dalton's final stats for the year:

52.2 ip

0.80 era

121 K's

31 Bb's

6 hits allowed

.030 batting average against

57special posted:

Don't any of you guys have kids who suck?

Son's team had a narrow victory over a mediocre opponent just to stay alive. Was happy to see that one underused senior pitcher pitched two solid innings in relief. Son said it's great to be in the field with him because he doesn't walk people, pitches fast, and when he keeps it low, allows weak contact. Fielders are all on their toes, waiting to contribute, and they usually do. Wish some of the other pitchers would pay more attention to location, than velo and "stuff".

 

 The other "weak" team that we lost to to start out just beat another strong team, and the #3oa in State is already out after two straight loses to "weak" opponents. Crazy year. 73 mph thumb tossers are killing the big guns. Guys throwing mid 80's and up are getting beat.

I can tell you that my kid hates the soft stuff. 70-75 guys are a challenge for him. But the hard throwers even with movement he crushes. 

Substrate competition in iowa starts July 13, but my 2018 has had a great week. First he threw a no hitter Monday, then was interviewed on local news about how earning a state berth and hopefully title would mean the world to him and his team, then last night he hit the walk-off single that gave us a 4-3 win and earned the coach his 300th career win. Five more regular season games, likely one more pitching start and then post season play. Can’t wait to see what comes next!!

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So regular season in Iowa came to an end tonight. My son's team ended its varsity regular season 33-3, including one forfeit due to a pitch count violation. Son picked up the school's strike out record, with 113 over 61 innings pitched. He also is tied with four other guys in class 4A for being hit by pitches with 15.

Friday, he will pitch for our first substate game against the same team he faced in his first varsity start four years ago. In that game he won 4-2, giving up two earned runs and striking out six. 

Should be a fun night. I hope!!!!

2022NYC posted:

Congrats mom. Your boy's HS bball season end is so close to start of colleges, when does HS end?

State tournament is the last weekend in July. Then they have an all star series that he's been nominated for the first weekend of August. Fortunately, the Iowa colleges are used to our schedule. The teams we played last night struggle, they are in the very tip top corner of the state with few Iowa baseball teams nearby. Most of the teams they should play are in Nebraska and play spring ball, so these kids have to travel around the state to find HS games, or entice people to drive three hours for a high school DH.

Started substate last night with the #1 seed in our substate region.

My 2018 RHP threw 109 pitches in a complete game 1-0 win (whew!! pitch limit is 110 pitches per game!!). Struck out 12, walked four and threw a few into the backstop. He had one of our team's three hits. Other two came from our current shortstop and son's future teammate at Iowa, and included a solo home run that was the only score of the game. Now we have a bye for the next round and will play again next Wednesday for a chance to go to state.

Son should be able to pitch, if only our bats will get going!!!

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Nine years ago one of my high school classmates gathered 12 boys and their parents and told them that he wanted to start a baseball team. It wasn't that they were the best baseball players around, he said, but he thought they had the potential to start early and learn the game and to work together and to end their HS careers at the state tournament.

Well, last night six of those boys took the field as starters on the HS varsity team in a game that could take them to state — and lost. We went down 0-2. My son pitched and gave up a two-run home run. He said later he left a curve ball hanging. But honestly, didn't matter. You can win if you don't score.

There's a lot of discussion on this site about the value of HS ball versus travel. All I can tell you is what my son tweeted last night — "Looking back, I wouldn't change a thing. I've made lifelong friendships, met great people, great players and brothers. I've grown as a person and a player. I can't thank all of my coaches and teammates enough. They constantly pushed me and truly are responsible for where, and who, I am today."

And in the end, even an end that isn't what you wanted, that's all you can hope for.

 

Iowamom23 posted:

Nine years ago one of my high school classmates gathered 12 boys and their parents and told them that he wanted to start a baseball team. It wasn't that they were the best baseball players around, he said, but he thought they had the potential to start early and learn the game and to work together and to end their HS careers at the state tournament.

Well, last night six of those boys took the field as starters on the HS varsity team in a game that could take them to state — and lost. We went down 0-2. My son pitched and gave up a two-run home run. He said later he left a curve ball hanging. But honestly, didn't matter. You can win if you don't score.

There's a lot of discussion on this site about the value of HS ball versus travel. All I can tell you is what my son tweeted last night — "Looking back, I wouldn't change a thing. I've made lifelong friendships, met great people, great players and brothers. I've grown as a person and a player. I can't thank all of my coaches and teammates enough. They constantly pushed me and truly are responsible for where, and who, I am today."

And in the end, even an end that isn't what you wanted, that's all you can hope for.

 

My son's team lost in the state championship game. My son didn't join them until they were 14 and we moved here. The rest of the team had been together since they were 8, played in two Cal Ripken World Series together, including the coveted 12yo WS. Since they were kids, they didn't talk about playing in the majors or playing in college. Their goal had always been to win a state championship for the high school. As it is, they entered the state tournament ranked #1 three times in the past four years, but that state championship eluded them in the end, despite setting several school records, including most wins in a season this year. 

Standing on that field with those boys after getting spanked in the title game by a team we had beaten twice during the regular season and playoffs was about as heartbreaking an experience as I have had in sports, but life goes on and when the dust settles they will one day appreciate those high school years and what they accomplished. We live in a small town with a large baseball tradition. Several state championships and more mlb players than all but one school in Colorado. Being a high school baseball player here is a big deal. I'll miss it.

The high school baseball season in Iowa takes forever to start, and apparently even longer to end.

We thought my son's senior season was over when his team lost in substate a few weeks ago.

Then he got invited to the Iowa All Star series, a series of four games over a long weekend featuring four teams sorted by school size and geography. The series was played last weekend on the field where my son and his HS teammate will start their college careers.

Our team, Large School West, came in third out of four. Small Schools East won the whole thing.

It was a great wrap up for the season. The boys made new friends, and earned some final awards.

My son was named MVP for the All Star team after striking out eight over five innings in one of our two wins, and a pitcher on the super all-state team (the best players from all levels and ages in the state). His teammate was named Player of the Year and team captain for the All State team. Their high school coach joined them on the field to celebrate their achievements for the year.

Now, finally, we can start to focus on college. None too soon, move in is a week from today!

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C'mon high school baseball season, let's get here!

Lots of talent at son's school, particularly position players.  Some talented kids are going to get pushed up or pushed out.  Only two games a week during district, it will be interesting.

And good luck to the school moving up a level to 20-6A.  Toughens up the district schedule, no doubt.

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