The whole RPI argument. They list us as having only one batter hitting 300. That's not true. We have two, it's just one of them doesn't meet the plate appearance requirements because he was hurt. So they want to condemn RPI as being flawed, while putting out flawed information about teams.
@adbono posted:I actually love it when a small school has a good team.
So I am officially adopting Indiana State to root for as a dark horse to shock the college baseball world. There is still a lot of parity in the top 50 D1 programs. In spite of big name players gravitating to big name programs (to get paid or to play on better teams) there are still plenty of really good players at mid-majors. Enough to get hot and win any tournament. Syc ‘em!? (apologies to Baylor fans)
I'm not anti-mid major. My middle son went to The Citadel who has been to the CWS. My problem is the RPI is manipulating a system with strange numbers to present an agenda that is not needed. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. You should not be rewarded more for a loss on the road than a win at home. If you lose, you lose points. If you win, you get points. If you schedule bad teams all the time, it will ultimately come back to haunt you. If you want to use a system then use a system that a normal human being can comprehend but when no coach or AD can give you the formula for what do I get points for and what do I lose points for something is wrong. When the chairman of the committee cannot determine why a team is in and why a team is out and put it in an understandable sentence something is wrong. Now they are talking about giving double points if you play a team more than 400 miles from your campus. That is crazy. Their reasoning is teams in the west and northeast need incentive to play teams in the southeast. But if you don't beat the teams in the southeast you should not get rewarded for just playing them. When you look at several regional hosts seeds losses compared to teams in the SEC and ACC losses, they are not close. I also got tickled at the ones they gave credit for being hot early and others for being hot late. Make up your mind. Is it better to be hot early or late or be consistent.
BTW. The host sites should have requirements. ie. Kentucky not having motels available and a couple of teams choosing to stay 1 1/2 hours away and drive back and forth rather than stay in dorms and eat cafeteria food. Schools that cannot sit enough people for the visiting teams to have plenty of seats. Schools that cannot play in their own stadiums and go somewhere else. Put a minimum number of permanent seats requirement on it and available hotel rooms within a reasonable distance. I'm not pushing for UT to get a regional. We did not deserve it the way we have played but neither did some of the others with their records, wins/losses, motels, stadiums, or the fact that your AD is the chairman of the committee.
In Kentucky's defense, it is not that there are not enough hotel rooms in Lexington. It's that there is a major country music festival, plus HS state finals in several sports, the same weekend. Should UK be penalized for those factors beyond its control?
@PitchingFan posted:I'm not anti-mid major. My middle son went to The Citadel who has been to the CWS. My problem is the RPI is manipulating a system with strange numbers to present an agenda that is not needed. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. You should not be rewarded more for a loss on the road than a win at home. If you lose, you lose points. If you win, you get points. If you schedule bad teams all the time, it will ultimately come back to haunt you. If you want to use a system then use a system that a normal human being can comprehend but when no coach or AD can give you the formula for what do I get points for and what do I lose points for something is wrong. When the chairman of the committee cannot determine why a team is in and why a team is out and put it in an understandable sentence something is wrong. Now they are talking about giving double points if you play a team more than 400 miles from your campus. That is crazy. Their reasoning is teams in the west and northeast need incentive to play teams in the southeast. But if you don't beat the teams in the southeast you should not get rewarded for just playing them. When you look at several regional hosts seeds losses compared to teams in the SEC and ACC losses, they are not close. I also got tickled at the ones they gave credit for being hot early and others for being hot late. Make up your mind. Is it better to be hot early or late or be consistent.
BTW. The host sites should have requirements. ie. Kentucky not having motels available and a couple of teams choosing to stay 1 1/2 hours away and drive back and forth rather than stay in dorms and eat cafeteria food. Schools that cannot sit enough people for the visiting teams to have plenty of seats. Schools that cannot play in their own stadiums and go somewhere else. Put a minimum number of permanent seats requirement on it and available hotel rooms within a reasonable distance. I'm not pushing for UT to get a regional. We did not deserve it the way we have played but neither did some of the others with their records, wins/losses, motels, stadiums, or the fact that your AD is the chairman of the committee.
What an awesome rant. I don’t disagree with any of it. War Damn Eagle?!?!
@anotherparent posted:In Kentucky's defense, it is not that there are not enough hotel rooms in Lexington. It's that there is a major country music festival, plus HS state finals in several sports, the same weekend. Should UK be penalized for those factors beyond its control?
Yes. Why would you turn in a request to host knowing that you do not have rooms for everyone? You know it had to be intentional. No way someone in the UK baseball department did not do the research to know the largest event of their town was this weekend AND the campus was the host for state championships. There has to be some penalty. They should not be allowed to host for a couple of years or something. I think when it came out Monday they should have had to give up the host and it go to someone else. So, yes they should be penalized because it was intentional advantage to make the other teams' players and fans have to be put out. Their kids get to stay in their own beds and eat their own food. The other teams have to stay 1 1/2 hours away or stay in bad dorms, and according to several tweets from each team, no air and bad accommodations.
In order to be a host site, you have to be approved by meeting certain criteria.
As far as I know, that includes room and board.
So whose fault is it?
According to NCAA, they said they had X amount of motel rooms available when they sent in the host request. Their media answer is we did not know the largest country music festival in the state and the state HS championships were there this weekend. Come on.
Pitching Fan;
When I operated the Area Code games and Goodwill Series, organization of the housing for the 300 players, 120 College Coaches, 300 Pro Scouts & Parents was never easy and required a system. I noticed the U of Kentucky has a Hotel School for Graduates.
The UK school should use this for training. It is important that the Baseball Dept works with the Administration. It is NOT that difficult.
Bob
Visiting teams in every region have a choice of lessor expensive accommodations or dorms so it was the other team's choice to travel that distance. No 5 star hotels until you get to Omaha.
I don't know who pays the bill, but many teams are deciding on dorms.
To state that it was done on purpose and be penalized and blame KY is crazy.
I don't blame Kentucky, what college wouldn't try to host? I mean a sports team trying to gain an advantage.....that never happens ;-). If you want to blame someone blame the NCAA for allowing it.
https://www.outkick.com/kentuc...-dorm-housing-hotel/
Here is the story. Article says all 3 visiting teams were offered the dorms. There is blame to pass around but saying it was done on purpose isn't fair to the players.
Who would put their kids in dorms when many of them did not have working air conditioners? You and I both know it is not realistic that somebody in that athletic department did not realize they would not have motels for players or fans. And we both know that neither Vitello or Sully would put their guys in dorms. I cannot blame NCAA because Kentucky is a reputable university and for them to say we have adequate facilities was just wrong. There has to be some penalty. They did it to gain the regional host, knowing they could not meet the need or should have known they could not make the need. I can live with the fact if they would just own it and say our bad, we did it on purpose Penalize us.
RPI, hosting, blah, blah, blah. At 11/12 the kid suffered a serious back injury and was told by three different spine specialist that he might be able to play but give up any hope of a scholarship or being drafted. Was offered to be drafted out of HS (36-40 round, an easy no) and did receive a scholarship. Mistake, transferred, covid, TJ, and here we are. Has been offered to play indy ball, which I gave a thumbs down to. Told him today, still think this year is it, get on with your life, but now, facing tomorrow and the start of the tournament, it's stressful. Not ready for this year to end.
RPI has nothing to do with batting averages or individual players. My distaste for RPI has nothing to do with players or any particular school but just the mentality of NCAA currently. They have agendas on lots of levels but I will stop there before this thread gets shut down.
@PitchingFan posted:Who would put their kids in dorms when many of them did not have working air conditioners? You and I both know it is not realistic that somebody in that athletic department did not realize they would not have motels for players or fans. And we both know that neither Vitello or Sully would put their guys in dorms. I cannot blame NCAA because Kentucky is a reputable university and for them to say we have adequate facilities was just wrong. There has to be some penalty. They did it to gain the regional host, knowing they could not meet the need or should have known they could not make the need. I can live with the fact if they would just own it and say our bad, we did it on purpose Penalize us.
If KY lied about dorm accommodations that is not right. But if the NCAA didn't do any research (you could literally google "what is there to do in Lex KY this weekend") it's on them. They are the governing body and ultimately responsible.
Where is Tennessee staying at Clemson?
@nycdad posted:If KY lied about dorm accommodations that is not right. But if the NCAA didn't do any research (you could literally google "what is there to do in Lex KY this weekend") it's on them. They are the governing body and ultimately responsible.
Not really.....
I listened to a podcast where it was mentioned and seemed to me that they thought the dorms were fine.
@TPM posted:Not really.....
I listened to a podcast where it was mentioned and seemed to me that they thought the dorms were fine.
But that's the thing right? You listened to a podcast, and this person heard this, and another person heard that and a blogger wrote an article....Lot of he said/she said.....That's why it's ultimately the NCAA's responsibility.
Look, I'm not saying KY should host. I am saying I don't blame them for trying. If the NCAA had come in after selections and said...nope, so be it.
To be fair to all, maybe they should have made the KY team members stay in the same dorms.
@anotherparent posted:To be fair to all, maybe they should have made the KY team members stay in the same dorms.
I somehow read this as a joke. Too much mention of ‘KY’ put me back into my teenager joke mind. I think it works as a joke 🤣
If KY was smarter, they’d make the dorms plush with big screens, game consoles, mini fridges, and complimentary tiny bottles of alcohol (for the 21+ rooms).
LOL. That's how I feel about this topic.
Somehow it just doesn't seem appropriate for someone involved with one program to rag on different programs.
JMO
Reminder for anyone who forgot or doesn’t know …
ESPN+ has Squeeze Play. It’s Red Zone for the regionals. They show up to four games at a time or zone in on big moments.
As a parent, I prefer blowouts to the shit ISU pulled today.
@SomeBaseballDad posted:As a parent, I prefer blowouts to the shit ISU pulled today.
Don’t ever complain about a win in postseason play!
What I have not heard mention in the KY hosting discussion are the families and fans. I don't think it's fair that the options for players are to stay in dorms or hotels 1.5 hrs away. All things being equal, a hotel is going to be nicer and more comfortable than a dorm. However, there are schools with really nice and fancy dorms that are nicer than hotels. From what I've read, KY's dorms are not like these (as someone said, the AC isn't even working in some).
But how about the families and fans? Is it not unfair that the families and fans of these other schools will have a hard time finding accommodations? Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home. How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations? Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?
Love the music they play in Conway (Coastal Carolina) when someone hits a homer. They play the chorus from Gone by Montgomery Gentry …
Gone like a freight train
Gone like yesterday
Gone like a soldier in the Civil War
Bang Bang!
Gone like a '59 Cadillac
Like all the good things, that ain't never comin' back.
@atlnon posted:What I have not heard mention in the KY hosting discussion are the families and fans. I don't think it's fair that the options for players are to stay in dorms or hotels 1.5 hrs away. All things being equal, a hotel is going to be nicer and more comfortable than a dorm. However, there are schools with really nice and fancy dorms that are nicer than hotels. From what I've read, KY's dorms are not like these (as someone said, the AC isn't even working in some).
But how about the families and fans? Is it not unfair that the families and fans of these other schools will have a hard time finding accommodations? Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home. How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations? Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?
Here’s the view from the dorms on the 24th floor at Boston University. The suites are four single bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room or two double bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room.
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@RJM posted:Here’s the view from the dorms on the 24th floor at Boston University. The suites are four single bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room or two double bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room.
Yup, that qualifies for "nicer than hotel rooms"... Wow! First thing that came to my mind is "glad I'm not paying for one of my kids to study and live there..." I can't imagine how expensive that is.
@atlnon posted:Yup, that qualifies for "nicer than hotel rooms"... Wow! First thing that came to my mind is "glad I'm not paying for one of my kids to study and live there..." I can't imagine how expensive that is.
https://www.bu.edu/housing/und...ing/stuvi/33agganis/
housing meals total
| Single room in suite in 33 Harry Agganis Way | $16,300 | $6,140 | $22,440 |
Most big schools (certainly big state schools) have nice dorms and crappy dorms. They charge more for the nice dorms. So you can choose to spend less and then you might not get AC and 24th-floor views.
UK does have a bunch of nice new dorms, but they are not that close to the field.
As for parents and fans, yes, they have to stay an hour away. On the other hand, it's not crucial to the team's success whether the fans get a good night's sleep, are tired from driving, or don't get to eat on schedule. Unless you think it affects their cheering?
@anotherparent posted:Most big schools (certainly big state schools) have nice dorms and crappy dorms. They charge more for the nice dorms. So you can choose to spend less and then you might not get AC and 24th-floor views.
UK does have a bunch of nice new dorms, but they are not that close to the field.
As for parents and fans, yes, they have to stay an hour away. On the other hand, it's not crucial to the team's success whether the fans get a good night's sleep, are tired from driving, or don't get to eat on schedule. Unless you think it affects their cheering?
Regarding KY dorm - yes, most big schools has nice dorms and crappy dorms. Was the nice dorm given as an option to the other teams? I imagine proximity to the field is not that big a deal bec it will be no different from staying at a hotel (they have team bus that can take them to the field, they don't need to walk there).
Regarding fan accommodations, copying and pasting from my post above.
Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home. How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations? Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?
@TPM posted:I am going with the guys on the podcast.
I am not a KY fan. But I have heard that it has a really nice campus and facility, a good RPI, and they had a tough schedule and deserved a regional.
For anyone watching today's game, the broadcasters said when KY bid on hosting, they told the NCAA everything....concerts, HS sports, etc.
If that's the case, then it sounds like KY was transparent, and it's up to the NCAA on what to do, or rather what they did. I realize this is beating a dead horse at this point.
When Ivies beat bigger programs in sports they have a reputation of chanting … You may be beating us now. But you will be working for us later.
Tonight Penn can chant …. We beat you and you will be working for us later.
The amazing thing is Penn got their three runs in the last inning on three safety squeezes that all went for hits.
Coastal/Rider …. In extra innings… foul tip 3rd strike while runner was stealing. Ump calls dead ball and put the runner back to first. Isn’t that still a live ball and they could’ve doubled them up by throwing to first? And then the announcer on replay said the backswing hit the catchers glove causing ‘catcher’s interference’. Anyone see that play?
Diving catch by Rider centerfielder up one run with bases loaded ends game over Coastal.
@RJM posted:Diving catch by Rider centerfielder up one run with bases loaded ends game over Coastal.
As marginal as the OF play was on both teams I thought he was going to miss that diving catch and coastal wound win. It was a nice catch though!
@TexasLefty posted:Coastal/Rider …. In extra innings… foul tip 3rd strike while runner was stealing. Ump calls dead ball and put the runner back to first. Isn’t that still a live ball and they could’ve doubled them up by throwing to first? And then the announcer on replay said the backswing hit the catchers glove causing ‘catcher’s interference’. Anyone see that play?
A caught foul tip in any count is a live ball. It is treated as a pitch though and not a caught fly ball or line drive. So they could have thrown the runner out stealing. I’ve never seen catchers interference called on a backswing, but I have seen batters interference called. In this case, the batter is already out on strike 3 so the runner is sent back to his original base.
@atlnon posted:Regarding KY dorm - yes, most big schools has nice dorms and crappy dorms. Was the nice dorm given as an option to the other teams? I imagine proximity to the field is not that big a deal bec it will be no different from staying at a hotel (they have team bus that can take them to the field, they don't need to walk there).
Regarding fan accommodations, copying and pasting from my post above.
Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home. How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations? Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?
It’s regionals. Most fans who were going to go are still going.