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U used2lurk5,000+ posts

My son is a freshman OF/C at Bradley University. Recruited as a hitter who catches and can play OF and is now appears to be an OF who can catch. He believes that OF is the place that he will have the most opportunity to get playing time as a freshman. First few weekends against non P5's in Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida. Our series in the north country is a weekend series at U of Michigan March 17th-20th and then our first home game is against U of Illinois on March 21st.

Very excited for this season and praying for good health, fun, and be the best version of himself as a human and as a baseball player!

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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
@used2lurk posted:

My son is a freshman OF/C at Bradley University. Recruited as a hitter who catches and can play OF and is now appears to be an OF who can catch. He believes that OF is the place that he will have the most opportunity to get playing time as a freshman. First few weekends against non P5's in Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida. Our series in the north country is a weekend series at U of Michigan March 17th-20th and then our first home game is against U of Illinois on March 21st.

Very excited for this season and praying for good health, fun, and be the best version of himself as a human and as a baseball player!

I see that Bradley University will be in Boca Raton at FAU. Hope that your son can make the trip!

TT Tug Tide1,000+ posts

Hope y’all don’t mind a JUCO plug here. If you look at the bracket you’ll see some familiar names at the PCB College Classic
https://www.perfectgame.org/Ev...94&Date=2/3/2023

This was a fantastic event last year and I can’t wait for it get started. Son plays for the host Gulf Coast Commodores.

Here’s a little local coverage:

https://www.wjhg.com/2023/02/0...ach-college-classic/

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MidAtlanticDadMidAtlanticDad10,000+ posts
@Tug Tide posted:

Hope y’all don’t mind a JUCO plug here. If you look at the bracket you’ll see some familiar names at the PCB College Classic
https://www.perfectgame.org/Ev...94&Date=2/3/2023

This was a fantastic event last year and I can’t wait for it get started. Son plays for the host Gulf Coast Commodores.

Here’s a little local coverage:

https://www.wjhg.com/2023/02/0...ach-college-classic/

I have family playing in the tournament. Can’t wait to watch some baseball.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@Tug Tide posted:

Hope y’all don’t mind a JUCO plug here. If you look at the bracket you’ll see some familiar names at the PCB College Classic
https://www.perfectgame.org/Ev...94&Date=2/3/2023

This was a fantastic event last year and I can’t wait for it get started. Son plays for the host Gulf Coast Commodores.

Here’s a little local coverage:

https://www.wjhg.com/2023/02/0...ach-college-classic/

Great early season event with a tremendous field of teams.

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
@anotherparent posted:

Hooray for warm weather baseball!  NAIA and juco started last week, D2 and D3 get going this week.  D1 has to wait until the 17th?  I've got my bookmarks set up to check scores for teams of interest, so I'm ready to go.

For those in Maine, I hope you are keeping warm.

It’s still oK at 1:30pm it’s 8/-5 wind chill. I just biked 5 miles to Panera. At 2am it’s going to be -16/-49. Had I gone south (?) to my home on the North Shore of Boston it would be 11/-22 (right on the ocean) presently and -7/-44 at 5am.

Not that I planned to be in Portland because it less windy here. I’m on the back cove in Portland. But had I been in Nahant I couldn’t have biked the causeway to the Panera in Swampscott. I would have had to drive. Biking would have been a mile stretch of wide open exposure to the ocean on both sides with 23 mph winds.

Life could be worse. The wind chill is going to hit -70 tonight in Fort Kent ME (most northern point in the state).

It was 40 yesterday and still 30 at 11pm. It will be 43 on Sunday and 47 in the Boston area.

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T_ThomasT_Thomas5,000+ posts

Who's got the inside scoop on Boston in mid-March?

Son's team will play a series at Northeastern, and we're hoping to make the trek up there from North Carolina.

Will be out first time to experience the fair city, so looking for a little local knowledge: lodging, food, sightseeing, things to do and things to avoid...

A adbono10,000+ posts
@T_Thomas posted:

Who's got the inside scoop on Boston in mid-March?

Son's team will play a series at Northeastern, and we're hoping to make the trek up there from North Carolina.

Will be out first time to experience the fair city, so looking for a little local knowledge: lodging, food, sightseeing, things to do and things to avoid...

RJM is your man for all things Boston

J JohnF5,000+ posts

@T_Thomas - Boston mid-March will be cold / blustery - be prepared for that!  Boston is a very walkable city with plenty of transport options (T is easy/prevalent - get a Charlie Card) that don't include needing to rent a car (your call though - parking is always a challenge and pricey plus it's too easy to get headed in the wrong direction for those unfamiliar with the city - it's not a grid, it's haphazard). Uber from the airport is generally the easiest way - cabs can be tricky there, although plentiful there's a few suspect operators.  Uber pickup is in the garage - there's signs all over the airport to help you (it's one place you will find signs in Boston).

Northeastern's baseball field is essentially on/off the green line - there's a couple of options - use GoogleMaps to see, but the "C" and "D" green lines will get you close.  Where to stay depends on your budget - obviously the closer to downtown & waterfront, the more expensive.  You'll be close enuf to Fenway to take a tour and there's plenty of history if that's your jam (Freedom Trail, Haymarket, Old Ironsides). We found the Boston Tea Party ships to be a bit of a tourist trap... Like Canoli's? - Be sure to head to the North End on Hanover St where you can determine if you like Mike's Pastry's or the Modern Pastry (bring cash).   Dinner in the North End is an Italian smorgasbord - reservations at some places, while others you will see lines out the door. Plenty of places to find lobster - they'll all say they're the best. Chinatown has a few good places. Use the Open Table app - it'll help. Oh and be sure to say hi to Mike Glavine (HC of NE) - he coached my oldest son's travel baseball team ;-).

P PABaseball10,000+ posts
@T_Thomas posted:

Who's got the inside scoop on Boston in mid-March?

Son's team will play a series at Northeastern, and we're hoping to make the trek up there from North Carolina.

Will be out first time to experience the fair city, so looking for a little local knowledge: lodging, food, sightseeing, things to do and things to avoid...

Probably a series they should be playing on the road

T_ThomasT_Thomas5,000+ posts

Wow, you guys are great.  Thanks for the info and PMs.  I got back in late from watching an intra-squad scrimmage yesterday. Almost went an entire day without the HSBBW.

Ironically, Northeastern is playing 5 miles from our school on opening weekend, but then we go up up to play at their place a month later.

@JohnF - really good stuff.  Hopefully we won't need a rental car.  Thanks for the airport tips and other suggestions. It will be a whirlwind in-and-out, so we'll try to see as much as we can in a couple days.  Unfortunately, all the cheap(er)flights leave Boston early in the morning and wife cant miss Monday at school, so we might have to skip the Sunday game. 

@RJM, I knew you were the go-to guy on all things Boston, so I'll try to get up with you if specific questions come up.

It's a different world up there for an old southern boy like me.  I keep seeing Good Will Hunting and the "My Cousin from Boston" guy in my mind's eye :-)

Oh, yeah, it's also St. Patrick's Weekend, so there's that...

O old_school10,000+ posts
@2022NYC posted:

Kean Univeristy in Union NJ has it's first game on Thursday, yikes. Fortunately the weather forecast is 54 degrees

Kean has turf field with a full dugout heat system and lights, the coldest day of my college baseball life was there. game started at 4 pm 34 degree with constant breeze, by the 9th it was 24 and steady 17/20 mph winds. it was literally painful.

plus you are right off the river so it is a damp nasty cold.

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N nycdad10,000+ posts

Son had opening weekend last year at St. Jospeh's in Phily. Game 2 on Saturday had to be stopped because of snow squals. Pretty sure it's still on St. Joseph's twitter account.

I think because out of conference can be scheduled so far in advance you had/have a lot of Northeast schools that scheduled these games during Covid. Usually they would have been down south or out west, but seeing a lot of schools staying closer to home the first few weeks. Fortunately we're in CA and SC opening weekend.

D d-mac10,000+ posts
@Master P posted:

Watched  NJCAA D1 #5 Crowder play #18 Johnson County over the weekend.  Lots of D1 drop downs on the field and on the mound.  Amazingly high quality baseball.    One of the pitchers was a D1 redshirt and now this is his second season in Juco.  He was a grown man pumping 92 at the knees.

My son was at Crowder the previous two years.  I watched some of the DH on Saturday on the live stream.  The Johnson County lefty was rolling. 

P PABaseball10,000+ posts
@d-mac posted:

My son was at Crowder the previous two years.  I watched some of the DH on Saturday on the live stream.  The Johnson County lefty was rolling.

If you don't mind me asking - how did your son end up choosing Crowder? Was that the local school or was he recruited by other top jucos as well? Were there D1s in the mix?

I know how good the top jucos are. Always wondered how they did their recruiting for non transfers.

ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
@ARCEKU21 posted:

One of my son's travel teammates, who reclassed from 2023 to 2022, starting at shortstop for Texas Tech on opening day! Very cool! When you look at him,  your first impression is "really?". Then you see him play. One of the best gloves I have ever seen through all my years.

I have been watching this game.  He wouldn't be starting at TT if he didn't have the goods and he looks like a good player on first impression.  Good game.  TT has lots of talent and Gonzaga had an early lead but is now down by 3.  I am waiting for Coastal game to start but they are in weather delay.  I'll be watching UTenn versus Arizona later this evening.  What is really cool now, if any game gets out of hand, there are dozens of other games to switch to.  Baseball (at least what I can watch on TV) is here!  Hope all our kids, at all levels, have good years this year.

The kid's name you mentioned is Tracer Lopez.  He made a number of fine defensive plays and had two hits in his first college game.   

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ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
@anotherparent posted:

I now find that between HS/travel friends, summer ball teammates, and hsbbw members, I have a ridiculous number of teams to follow!

It is a small world after high school.  The hsbbweb actually opens you up to just about every team in the nation.  Thus, you know someone from kids your son has played with or against in the past and then you start following members kids here.  I know D1 is getting all the attention right now because of TV coverage but as the season progresses and especially when college playoffs start, the other divisions of baseball can be watched.  Some of the best/most exciting games I've ever seen were in college playoff games including JUCO, D3, D2, or otherwise. 

JucoDadJucoDad5,000+ posts
@PABaseball posted:

If you don't mind me asking - how did your son end up choosing Crowder? Was that the local school or was he recruited by other top jucos as well? Were there D1s in the mix?

I know how good the top jucos are. Always wondered how they did their recruiting for non transfers.

I can't comment on @PABaseball's journey, and @adbono would be best to answer this, but here are a few thoughts on how some end up at JuCo's:

  • HS players that are legitimately in the draft conversion and want to improve their stock pick the highest profile JuCo's.
  • High-profile D1's have relationships with top JuCo's and direct kids that they've hosed by pulling back offers and/or feel they need playing time and/or maturity to contribute at the next level.
  • JuCo HC's often have relationships with foreign programs (at Hill College, they had a channel from PR and Aus).
  • JuCo HC's also often have relationships with a network of HS head coaches - I've seen a stream of one or two players from the same HS for several consecutive years.
  • JuCo camps - my son was offered at Blinn immediately after the camp ended. He'd already committed to Hill and went to the camp because the $50 was gone regardless, and any chance to play was a good day.
  • Reference - I called the HC at Hill and arranged a private tryout. I was given the number by a current player's father, who told the HC I'd be calling.
  • Cold-calling the coach (I'd left a VM for the HC at McLennan), he returned the call and attempted to get my son to reconsider after hearing he had a spot at Hill.

I'm sure @adbono can add many more channels...

A adbono10,000+ posts
@JucoDad posted:

I can't comment on @PABaseball's journey, and @adbono would be best to answer this, but here are a few thoughts on how some end up at JuCo's:

  • HS players that are legitimately in the draft conversion and want to improve their stock pick the highest profile JuCo's.
  • High-profile D1's have relationships with top JuCo's and direct kids that they've hosed by pulling back offers and/or feel they need playing time and/or maturity to contribute at the next level.
  • JuCo HC's often have relationships with foreign programs (at Hill College, they had a channel from PR and Aus).
  • JuCo HC's also often have relationships with a network of HS head coaches - I've seen a stream of one or two players from the same HS for several consecutive years.
  • JuCo camps - my son was offered at Blinn immediately after the camp ended. He'd already committed to Hill and went to the camp because the $50 was gone regardless, and any chance to play was a good day.
  • Reference - I called the HC at Hill and arranged a private tryout. I was given the number by a current player's father, who told the HC I'd be calling.
  • Cold-calling the coach (I'd left a VM for the HC at McLennan), he returned the call and attempted to get my son to reconsider after hearing he had a spot at Hill.

I'm sure @adbono can add many more channels...

That’s a pretty good summary @JucoDad. I see most guys recruited as a result of on campus camps, private tryouts, and word of mouth recommendations. I especially like camps that have coaches from a number of JuCos in a region. But all the things you mentioned are viable ways to be recruited to a JuCo. Former teammates of recruits are a good source too. When it comes to recruiting there are some major differences between JuCo and other levels. One of the biggest differences is that JuCo coaches are accessible. And they will talk with you. Recruiting budgets are pretty limited and on campus tryouts are allowed so most coaches are cooperative with this approach. Whether it’s on an individual basis or in a camp setting. JuCo camps are affordable, the ratio of coaches to players is usually favorable, and decision makers are always in attendance. Regardless of a player’s level of ability (assuming that he is a college prospect) I always advise HS players to try and develop JuCo interest first, and go from there. You never know when a JuCo connection will help out.

A anotherparent10,000+ posts
@ClevelandDad posted:

I know D1 is getting all the attention right now because of TV coverage but as the season progresses and especially when college playoffs start, the other divisions of baseball can be watched.  Some of the best/most exciting games I've ever seen were in college playoff games including JUCO, D3, D2, or otherwise.

Some D3 and NAIA have been playing for 3 weeks already, and livestreams are pretty standard at all levels now, although the quality varies a lot.  So, there's a lot to follow right now!

Someone could make money (probably not a lot) putting together a customizable site where you could pick all the teams you follow, at all levels, and it would give you schedule, game results, links to box scores and video, etc.

D d-mac10,000+ posts
@PABaseball posted:

If you don't mind me asking - how did your son end up choosing Crowder? Was that the local school or was he recruited by other top jucos as well? Were there D1s in the mix?

I know how good the top jucos are. Always wondered how they did their recruiting for non transfers.

He had a few low D1 offers and a lot of Juco offers including some top ones like Iowa Western and Walters.  He chose Crowder for a few reasons. His showcase director advised him to over lower D1’s.  They recruited him the hardest.  Plus, they had a great track record of taking guys like him who topped 86-88 but could pitch and adding velocity and moving them up to higher D1’s or draft picks.  Crowder is really good at identifying talent.  They find a lot of guys who may not fit some of the D1 metrics but are good baseball players.

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N nycdad10,000+ posts

Just got back from 2022's trip out to Cali. They didn't do well, but weren't expected to. Son did make his debut in a mop up roll. Went 1.1IP, didn't give up a run, 1H, but was effectively wild ;-). 

While I made it back team's flight was cancelled. Half the team stayed in Cali and half flew to Seattle where they likely (I just landed myself so not sure) missed their connecting flight and have to find another. I *think* my son is part of the Seattle crew. Guess he's not giving the 9a class presentation he was supposed to.

Ripken FanRipken Fan10,000+ posts

Really happy for a former teammate of son's (RipkenFanSon was a senior when player was a freshman.)  Player earned a bachelor's degree and committed to a SEC program for a graduate degree.  Heard he would compete for a starting position.  He started 2 games at second and the middle one at SS opening weekend.  Went 5 for 11 as team took 2 of 3. Great consolation for a nice young man who lost nearly 2 seasons (2 conference seasons) to covid. 

PrepsterPrepster10,000+ posts
@ClevelandDad posted:

I am now watching UNC Charlotte versus Ball State.  Why?  The head Coach is Robert Woodard - former UNC great and now head coach.  His Dad is Prepster (hsbbweb moniker) who is still a member here.  I've been looking for Prepster in the stands but have not spotted him yet.  Ball State up 1-0 top four.

Sorry for the delay, CD. I must have been wearing my stealth outfit Friday night.

Two tips of the cap to Ball State's pitchers, Trennor O'Donnell and Ryan Brown, who held a pretty stout Charlotte lineup to 3 hits on the night and prevailed 2-1. The remaining three games went in the other direction for them, but that Ball State team is going to win plenty of games the remainder of the season. They just missed the NCAA tournament last year after winning 40 games and the MAC's regular season; coming up short in the conference's tournament. (I could go off here on my dislike of automatically making any conference's tournament winner the conference champion, but I won't.  )

I'd also like to take this opportunity to wish all HSBW'ers'  sons all the luck in the world this season; especially when it comes to staying healthy!

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PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts
@d-mac posted:

Sitting in the Phoenix airport waiting to fly home. Took the first two including an upset overTennessee but backed that up with losses to Michigan and Michigan St.  Thats the life of a mid major.  Son is still recovering so not sure when he will be available.

They played great.  We are still trying to figure some things out.  Tough to replace every fielder from previous year even with great pitching.  And not having 2 transfers who will start.  Plus way too many errors.  GCU will be in regionals.  Great team.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@BDA posted:

My son is a senior at Salisbury.  He plays CF.

Son of a family friend (who I coached) is a senior and team captain at Haverford. We were discussing The Ford’s schedule the other night and up popped Salisbury - who I know is a very good D3 team.  But the name alone led us to a lengthy discussion about TV dinners in the 70s & 80s. And play on words that was entertaining for us but probably wouldn’t be for some. Your mention reminded me of that and brought a smile to my face. Go steaks?!?

N 2022NYC10,000+ posts
@adbono posted:

Son of a family friend (who I coached) is a senior and team captain at Haverford. We were discussing The Ford’s schedule the other night and up popped Salisbury - who I know is a very good D3 team.  But the name alone led us to a lengthy discussion about TV dinners in the 70s & 80s. And play on words that was entertaining for us but probably wouldn’t be for some. Your mention reminded me of that and brought a smile to my face. Go steaks?!?

I am stuck thinking about the Swanson dinner with the original aluminum foil tray

JucoDadJucoDad5,000+ posts
@adbono posted:

Yes, the Swanson Hungry Man dinner!

Good times! They comprised most of my dinners from age 9 to 16. Of course pre-teen was the regular Swanson TV dinners - not the hungry man version. No microwaves back then, they were cooked in the oven. Depending on the type -  Salisbury steak, fried chicken or the Mexican one (with the cornbread), you’d have to cut or open the tin foil in there right sections to get the right browning.

Nothing like having a single parent that worked nights to learn the culinary arts…

P PABaseball10,000+ posts
@TPM posted:

NCAA D1 home run  stats after 12 games

2023 2,108... 2.06 per game

2022  1,551...1.55 per game

2019 pre covid (same time of year) 1300...1.37 per game

What has changed?

IMO... the weather

One thing I have noticed - high schoolers are significantly bigger than I remember them being only 5-10 years ago. It seems like every kid I see now athlete or non athlete is 6'0 or up. Nephew is a sophomore, says he's small for his class. He's 5'9 at 15.

Also I imagine the increased velos and the older, stronger players would make those numbers trend up. More 23-25 year olds playing in the past 2 years than ever.

N nycdad10,000+ posts

I don't know how accurate baseball reference is when it comes to college stats, but my son pointed out to me yesterday that according to it as a 20yo junior he is -1.6 years the avg age. This number seems to be for all of D1 and not by class (for example as a freshman he was -3.3). So that would seem to put the avg age of a D1 player around 22.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@CADad949 posted:

Anyone have any insight as to why most of the Northwestern coaches left last week?

They are yet to win a game this year. I think their 0-7 start may be the worst in program history. They have a new HC that came from West Point who has made a point of establishing a new culture. So the coaching departures could have something to do with one or both of those things. I’m only aware of two coaches leaving, one of which was PC Jon Strauss who I’m not a fan of.

C CADad949100+ posts
@adbono posted:

They are yet to win a game this year. I think their 0-7 start may be the worst in program history. They have a new HC that came from West Point who has made a point of establishing a new culture. So the coaching departures could have something to do with one or both of those things. I’m only aware of two coaches leaving, one of which was PC Jon Strauss who I’m not a fan of.

Son was recruited by Foster last summer.  Culture was big on his list.  

PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

I love college baseball.  We lost last night but a great experience.  Sat in front of 3 great loyal LSU fans but had a full game of baseball conversation.  We had a chance facing best college baseball pitcher by far, imo.   Great time.  We gave it away in 8th with two errors in tied game with 2 outs.  I love college baseball when it is done right.  

smokeminsidesmokeminsideMember since 2014

Know I'm late but you guys seem like you're having fun.

Oldest son done playing (Amherst) but running in his second Boston Marathon on Monday. Does that count for anything? At all?

Middle son a senior CF at Swarthmore. This year the team has been in more football score games--winning and losing--than single digit games. Total Jekyll and Hyde season.

Youngest is a first year pitcher at Vassar. A lot of appearances, all in relief, all in high stress situations, all 1-2 innings long. Doing well about 60% of the time.

And just to make sure you don't leave un-entertained, there is this:

https://fb.watch/jTrwSlTRIO/

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A adbono10,000+ posts
@smokeminside posted:

Know I'm late but you guys seem like you're having fun.

Oldest son done playing (Amherst) but running in his second Boston Marathon on Sunday. Does that count for anything? At all?

Middle son a senior CF at Swarthmore. This year the team has been in more football score games--winning and losing--than single digit games. Total Jekyll and Hyde season.

Youngest is a first year pitcher at Vassar. A lot of appearances, all in relief, all in high stress situations, all 1-2 innings long. Doing well about 60% of the time.

And just to make sure you don't leave un-entertained, there is this:

https://fb.watch/jTrwSlTRIO/

Welcome to the party, Smoke! Man, I hear ya about the football scores. A good friend has a sin that’s a Senior IF at Haverford. He called me the other day to call my attention to the score in the Haverford vs Washington game. The final score was 33-8 in favor of Haverford. In the 7th inning Haverford batted for 40 minutes and scored 19 runs. In that inning my friend’s son (Zach) had 3 plate appearances. Which resulted in a grand slam, a HBP, and a 2 run HR. Zach had 6 RBI and scored 3 runs in one inning. He tied NCAA D3 records for HRs in an inning (2), and runs scored in an inning (3). Unbelievable. I have never heard of 19 runs being scored in one half inning of college baseball.

W Wechson1,000+ posts

My guy plays for W&L in the ODAC and let me tell you that is a tough conference.  #3, #11 and #12 teams in D3 all in one place. Stacked. Our team is currently middle of the pack with a lot of young talent. Good hitting team, but have had serious challenges with infield play. That's been the difference between them being in the 4 spot and the 6 spot in their conference.  Top 8 make the ODAC playoffs and ideally we'd end up the 4 or 5 spot but they'd probably have to run through the rest of the month to get there  As for my son, was hoping for a little more action post TJ, but there's still mountain left to climb.  Has to make a performance jump this summer, which he'll put every effort into doing. 

W Wechson1,000+ posts
@smokeminside posted:

Know I'm late but you guys seem like you're having fun.

Oldest son done playing (Amherst) but running in his second Boston Marathon on Monday. Does that count for anything? At all?

Middle son a senior CF at Swarthmore. This year the team has been in more football score games--winning and losing--than single digit games. Total Jekyll and Hyde season.

Youngest is a first year pitcher at Vassar. A lot of appearances, all in relief, all in high stress situations, all 1-2 innings long. Doing well about 60% of the time.

And just to make sure you don't leave un-entertained, there is this:

https://fb.watch/jTrwSlTRIO/

Im sure our paths crossed on the North East recruiting circuit.   The HC's for Swarthmore and Vassar are both terrific guys.  And thanks for that clip, truly funny.

smokeminsidesmokeminsideMember since 2014

Very likely.  He was at one of the Long Island HF sessions.  Wash and Lee was one of my guy's top choices. I distinctly remember watching my son walk up to one of your son's coaches during the coach meet. They exchanged a few words and my son walked away. He later told me the coach quickly and politely told him that while they liked his pitching, his academics weren't up to snuff. He (and I) REALLY appreciated how no-nonsense the coach was. Saved us a LOT of time and emotional investment.

Good luck to your son. Tough conference for sure.

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P PABaseball10,000+ posts
@CADad949 posted:

Wanted everyone’s thoughts. Which conference, Big East or WCC, has better baseball talent and quality of games being played?

If baseball was the only factor, which conference would you prefer to play in?

Both one bid conferences. Big East has UConn which is a top 10 team this year and generally speaking a strong program. Creighton is generally a good program. Bottom 3/4 of that conference are not very good on a year to year basis.

Baseball being the only factor - WCC is going to have significantly better weather.

N 2022NYC10,000+ posts

My son ended his first year season getting swept in the quarterfinals. Luckily preparing for his class finals will keep him distracted and not thinking about the shoulda, woulda, coulda and what ifs. The team did well overall, it had Jeckyl and Hyde performances but showed some brilliance when both pitching and hitting were performing. The roster was crowded and impossible to satisfy the players. The coaches did use the pre-season and practices to determine playing time. The kid started off slowly and had an injury that fairly affected his PT. The coaches did play freshmen and they did produce nicely, really going against the coaching grain even with other HA D3 teams. They did also pull 2 D1 transfers this year, one started and the other was part time not sure if injury was involved. The kid played the last 6 games including the playoffs and hit very well and contributed runs as expected. His surgically repaired arm had no issues and he did not hesitate to let it eat on throws to 3rd or home. I think he will look back at this favorably but completely dissatisfied and it will fuel him during this off season to get even better. At the risk of being sadistic, I enjoyed his struggle because it allowed him to grow and mature to overcome it. I only provided an ear/shoulder with some counsel when asked and offered encouragement plus gave lots of $ubsidy with the $&@*ing food apps. Anyway, I am sure all this fawning over my son will quickly change when he comes back home next week. I did miss the home chaos with 2 boys but I really did appreciate the partial tranquility with having only 1 kid for 9 months.

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PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

Senior Night tomorrow night.  Son should come back for another year unless God decides to bless him again with a call on draft day.  Been a great journey so far.  He will leave as #2 Career Appearances leader, top 5 single season appearances, and top 10 in career era.  If he comes back, he will be #1 in appearances and have a chance to move up in other 2.  Played in CWS and was on SEC season and tournament champion teams. We say this all the time but it goes by so fast.  If your son is young, enjoy the ride.  it is a short one.  And probably was not supposed to play SEC level ball with no more velo than he has and only 5'10".

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PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

That last post came across as bragging but that was not my intention.  It was supposed to be an encouragement to those who maybe are not the biggest, strongest or fastest.  Son's gift is the ability to throw 5 pitches for strikes in any count and hit his spots.  He was recruited early but not for his velocity but success.  His final goal is to get one at bat in college, plus maybe win a CWS

JucoDadJucoDad5,000+ posts
@PTWood posted:

@TPM congrats to the Gators!

@TPM Heading to Hoover as the #1 seed in the SEC tourney. Congrats!! I Think that was @PitchingFan's honor last season.

I got to watch my son at Hoover in 2017, Arkansas was a 4 seed and lost to LSU in the championship game. I hated LSU that season, they just seemed to have the Razorbacks number (Their fans travel in mass).  

The last push toward the CWS journey, good luck to all still playing!

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
@PTWood posted:

@TPM congrats to the Gators!

Thank you!

Gators share regular season Co-Champions with the Razorbacks and #1 seed in Hoover due to total wins.

We are so grateful Dave was given the opportunity to be a Gator coach. Great staff, great group of kids that work very hard and manage to stay healthy. I know lots of folks blame coaches when things go south, but players have just as much responsibility when shaping their  destiny.

Wyatt Langford, as mentioned several times, is the best example. Four games as a freshman, possibly #1 on draft day?  He had a freak accident and required immediate surgery (reminder to your boys, wear a cup). He was back at it 2 weeks later and now full speed ahead!

Lots of freshman/RSfreshman and sophmores made significant contributions. They weren't promised anything but their hardwork obviously paid off. And when someone went down they stepped up. Thankfully pitchers stayed healthy, a few offensive guys had weird stuff happen but everyone is healthy.

Thank you to all who have sent pms.

BTW, for the comments made about  Jac Caglianone. He IS a bona fide 2 way player. Remember that!

Go Gators!

fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts

Sure the SEC is the "belle of the ball" (is there no one prettier?!), but there are other conferences out there.   I've been doing a periodic check, and this season has some surprises.  A quick glance:

  • It looks like Clemson & Virginia are peaking about now.  12 and 9 straight wins respectively.  Looking forward to the ACC tourney
  • West Virginia, Texas and Ok State are all tied and sitting at the top of the Big 12 for the regular season
  • Maryland has got a slim lead in the Big 10 for the regular season
  • Stanford has sizeable lead in PAC-12
  • UNCW and ECU has it going on.   ECU is always going to the post season it seems.
  • Dallas Baptist running away with Conf USA
  • Wright State and Kent State have sizeable leads in the Horizon and Mid-American conferences respectively
  • Indiana State running away with Missouri Valley conference
  • Coastal Carolina has a slim lead in the regular season, and a 7 game winning streak in the 14-team Sun Belt
  • Penn (6 game winning streak) won the Ivy regular season, and is positioned well to win the conference tourney against Harvard for a regional bid
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003

@fenwaysouth

I could go on about lots of teams that are doing well and  lots of teams not doing well and why.

But that wasn't my reason for posting.

All of the teams you mentioned are successful and where they are because of the hard work and not placing blame on losses. You never blame the other team. You just work hard at being better!

Remember, ex ACC and CUSA parent here and still and always be a fan.

S SomeBaseballDad5,000+ posts
@fenwaysouth posted:

Sure the SEC is the "belle of the ball" (is there no one prettier?!), but there are other conferences out there.   I've been doing a periodic check, and this season has some surprises.  A quick glance:

  • Indiana State running away with Missouri Valley conference

DI baseball is the only poll that doesn't have us ranked I believe. Looking ahead to our series with Missouri State they seemed to think they were going to give us problems. 11-4/9-5/14-4 with the last game played mostly by backups. The only game that was close was the second one. Our right fielder had to go up over the fence to rob a grand slam that would have made it an 8-9 game them. And this was with our center fielder (one of our best hitters and defenders) out with a hand injury. At this point I believe the only reason it matters if we win our tournament is to make a case to host a regional.

Shameless plug. This one went over the sign in left and out of the stadium.

https://twitter.com/IndStBaseb.../1659985007623143430

fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts

@MidAtlanticDad thanks for the picture.   The new artificial turf field looks significantly  better than the old grass field used to.   I assume it is still hard to find the field off the unmarked, meandering Philly roads between the water treatment plant (not where you want to be on a hot day) and the train tracks down the short left field line. 

I saw the 16-3 score in Penn's favor.  https://ivyleague.com/scoreboard/   Not a viewing game worthy of a championship, but I'm sure the Quakers will take it and run with it to the NCAA regionals.  4 of those Penn runs were BB RBIs, so Princeton had absolutely no pitching left..  It was 16-0 in the 5th before Princeton scored a run.   Yikes.

OskiSDOskiSD5,000+ posts
@fenwaysouth posted:

@MidAtlanticDad thanks for the picture.   The new artificial turf field looks significantly  better than the old grass field used to.   I assume it is still hard to find the field off the unmarked, meandering Philly roads between the water treatment plant (not where you want to be on a hot day) and the train tracks down the short left field line.

I saw the 16-3 score in Penn's favor.  https://ivyleague.com/scoreboard/   Not a viewing game worthy of a championship, but I'm sure the Quakers will take it and run with it to the NCAA regionals.  4 of those Penn runs were BB RBIs, so Princeton had absolutely no pitching left..  It was 16-0 in the 5th before Princeton scored a run.   Yikes.

Yup. No pitching left. A really fun weekend and season, though.

Tigers improved by 17 wins this year - most in D1.

fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts

@OskiSD,

As you know, improving by 17 games is not unheard of in the Ivy.  Princeton had a good run.   There are many last place one year to first place the following year stories since I've been following Ivy baseball.  Its not the first time doing that for Princeton.   The Ivys are so reliant on refreshing their recruiting blood with freshmen every year....the Ivy freshmen recruiting class matters a lot.

Looking forward to the NCAA regionals, and I'll find myself (reluctantly ) rooting for Penn.   They gave South Carolina a run for their money back in late February which was their first series.   Typically, in the NCAA regionals an Ivy team's lack of depth is exposed in their batting lineup (ie 7-9 hitters)  and starting pitchers.   Let's see if Penn and the Ivy League can get over the regional "hump".   

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OskiSDOskiSD5,000+ posts
@fenwaysouth posted:

@OskiSD,

As you know, improving by 17 games is not unheard of in the Ivy.  Princeton had a good run.   There are many last place one year to first place the following year stories since I've been following Ivy baseball.  Its not the first time doing that for Princeton.   The Ivys are so reliant on refreshing their recruiting blood with freshmen every year....the Ivy freshmen recruiting class matters a lot.

Looking forward to the NCAA regionals, and I'll find myself (reluctantly ) rooting for Penn.   They gave South Carolina a run for their money back in late February which was their first series.   Typically, in the NCAA regionals an Ivy team's lack of depth is exposed in their batting lineup (ie 7-9 hitters)  and starting pitchers.   Let's see if Penn and the Ivy League can get over the regional "hump".   

I'll bite my tongue and do the same. Penn's a very good club with unusual pitching depth for the conference.

T TexasLefty1,000+ posts
@anotherparent posted:

What has happened to LSU?  Weren't they the school that NILed its way to supposed success?

SEC has looked pretty darn tough.  I’ve watched nearly all of the tourney.  I don’t think LSU was too concerned about winning.  I think they were trying to get action for some pitchers to shore things up for regionals.  Don’t even think they went to their ace(s) when they could have.  I’m not an LSU fan.  They still looked really good.  

A adbono10,000+ posts
@anotherparent posted:

What has happened to LSU?  Weren't they the school that NILed its way to supposed success?

I’m also not an LSU fan. But their pitching staff has dealt with a lot of injuries. Of the guys that stayed healthy only Paul Skenes has pitched to his potential. And @TexasLefty is correct that they weren’t really playing for anything in the SEC tournament. I wouldn’t want to run into them in a Regional.

S SomeBaseballDad5,000+ posts
@PitchingFan posted:

There should be a reasonable amount of decent hotels and seating to be allowed to host.  Several of the teams that are hosting this year fit into the category you mentioned.

Thinking about it, it comes down to a couple of things. Mostly how many casual fans the three other teams bring with them. If it's mostly parents/close relatives things will be fine. Now if they bring a sizable fan base that's another story. As for the stadium, the field and facilities are fine, but it is on the small side. That said during the season the area along the left field line is reserved for alumni. If they kick them out and install temporary seating there, bring in a food truck or two and portable restrooms, then I don't think there should be too many issues.

PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

That’s questionable.  RPI saved them.  Lost to every P5 they played except a midweek to Vandy.  I say you should get no credit for losing rather at home or on the road.  No way you win by losing.  Don’t think I’m saying UT should be there because we played too up and down this year.  I just don’t see how ISU, coastal, Kentucky, Auburn or USC and probably a couple others.  RPI gives you points for losing    That is everyone gets a trophy mentality.

S SomeBaseballDad5,000+ posts
@PitchingFan posted:

That’s questionable.  RPI saved them.  Lost to every P5 they played except a midweek to Vandy.  I say you should get no credit for losing rather at home or on the road.  No way you win by losing.  Don’t think I’m saying UT should be there because we played too up and down this year.  I just don’t see how ISU, coastal, Kentucky, Auburn or USC and probably a couple others.  RPI gives you points for losing    That is everyone gets a trophy mentality.

Thing is no one pays attention to us mid-majors. Like when we have a very productive player go down and miss the first three weeks of the season, when we played all those P5 teams.  Also, we were trying to figure out pitching. That said I guess we'll see. What is the saying, "the rubber meets the road".

N nycdad10,000+ posts
@PitchingFan posted:

  I just don’t see how ISU, coastal, Kentucky, Auburn or USC and probably a couple others.  RPI gives you points for losing    That is everyone gets a trophy mentality.

Convinced USC missed because they played us opening weekend and it brought their RPI down. I'm also 100% ok with this because their fans were....less than cordial. Yes all fan bases are tough.

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
@SomeBaseballDad posted:

Thing is no one pays attention to us mid-majors.

I think a lot of people were paying attention to the Sycamores' success.

A mid D1, does not have to meet the same criteria to make the 64 team field, as a P5 does.

ISU had an outstanding season this year and won their conference championship!

Enjoy the moment and have fun!

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PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

I'm all for the smaller teams getting a shot, BUT they should have to play by the same rules.  You can't look at ISU or Coastal's record and who they beat and lost to and tell me that if they were an SEC team they would get to host.  The system is flawed and I believe it is intentional to push the agenda of making sure there are a couple of mid-majors in Omaha.  The Cinderella story.  But when you change the system for that to happen, something is wrong.  We live in a culture where certain agendas are pushed and when that happens the rules are changed.  The RPI is greatly flawed.  A win is a win and a loss is a loss.  If you lose on the road, you should not get credit higher than a win at home.  A lot of P5 schools schedule smaller state schools to give them money for their program and that is a good thing.  Don't punish them when they do it.  If they lose, light them up.  But if a mid-major loses to a P5 on the road they should not be rewarded.  There are several schools that played the game this year and were rewarded even with bad losses.  They played up on the road and lost and still got rewarded.  If that is not "everybody gets a trophy" then something is wrong.  But it also applied to P5's like Kentucky.  They were a trainwreck at the end and still got rewarded for going on the road and losing.  Now they get rewarded by giving them a host when they cannot even put the other three teams up in hotels.  They are making them stay in dorms, and not the good dorms.  The NCAA selection committee has become a joke.  Auburn got to host because their man is the chairman.

BTW, the USC was South Carolina.  I forgot not everyone is from this area.  Southern Cal is the Other USC and rarely referred to in baseball.  Just like UT is Tennessee not Texas.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@baseballhs posted:

Here UT is Texas.  It always  confuses me when Tennessee is referred to as UT🤣.

I hate Texas but they aren’t a small name.  And to me USC is California. All depends on where you live.

This is 100% correct. And I am an SEC guy. I hate the University of Texas as much as anyone but you can’t deny their relevance in college baseball. Over the history of their program they have far exceeded what Tennessee has done. It’s not even close. The exact same argument can be made for the University of Southern California over South Carolina, who has only been a prominent program for the past 15 years or so. There is no doubt that the SEC is king of the mountain today, and has been for at least the past decade plus. But it hasn’t always been that way.

PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

I'm actually a UGA football fan and we always referred to UT as Tennessee and Texas was just Texas.  Southern Cal is very rarely spoken of anyway and South Carolina is normally usc with no capitalization.  I still use it when referring to it with my Carolina friends just to mess with them.  I'm sure in 2 years there will be 2 schools saying we are the real UT in the SEC.

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007

UT is Texas

USC is Southern Cal

OSU is Ohio State

MSU is Michigan State

In the big picture these schools have has a bigger histories in college sports. Plus, while this is a baseball board most people think in terms of football and basketball in terms of these acronyms.

UConn had the best solution. No one confuses them with other universities beginning with C.

S SomeBaseballDad5,000+ posts
@TPM posted:


Enjoy the moment and have fun!

I have as this kids' dad been very thankful for ISU taking my kid in and giving him a chance to play these last few years. The kid got caught up in the facilities at Nebraska and we his parents got caught up in the scholarship offer. If I had only had a crystal ball. That said this is it. He has received some indy ball offers. On the other hand he has this really down to earth girlfriend, so my advice has been it's time to start a life. So, some trepidation going into the weekend.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@adbono posted:

I actually love it when a small school has a good team.

So I am officially adopting Indiana State to root for as a dark horse to shock the college baseball world. There is still a lot of parity in the top 50 D1 programs. In spite of big name players gravitating to big name programs (to get paid or to play on better teams) there are still plenty of really good players at mid-majors. Enough to get hot and win any tournament. Syc ‘em!? (apologies to Baylor fans)

PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

I'm not anti-mid major.  My middle son went to The Citadel who has been to the CWS.  My problem is the RPI is manipulating a system with strange numbers to present an agenda that is not needed. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.  You should not be rewarded more for a loss on the road than a win at home.  If you lose, you lose points.  If you win, you get points.  If you schedule bad teams all the time, it will ultimately come back to haunt you.  If you want to use a system then use a system that a normal human being can comprehend but when no coach or AD can give you the formula for what do I get points for and what do I lose points for something is wrong.  When the chairman of the committee cannot determine why a team is in and why a team is out and put it in an understandable sentence something is wrong.  Now they are talking about giving double points if you play a team more than 400 miles from your campus.  That is crazy.  Their reasoning is teams in the west and northeast need incentive to play teams in the southeast.  But if you don't beat the teams in the southeast you should not get rewarded for just playing them.  When you look at several regional hosts seeds losses compared to teams in the SEC and ACC losses, they are not close. I also got tickled at the ones they gave credit for being hot early and others for being hot late.  Make up your mind.  Is it better to be hot early or late or be consistent.

BTW.  The host sites should have requirements.  ie. Kentucky not having motels available and a couple of teams choosing to stay 1 1/2 hours away and drive back and forth rather than stay in dorms and eat cafeteria food.  Schools that cannot sit enough people for the visiting teams to have plenty of seats.  Schools that cannot play in their own stadiums and go somewhere else.  Put a minimum number of permanent seats requirement on it and available hotel rooms within a reasonable distance.  I'm not pushing for UT to get a regional.  We did not deserve it the way we have played but neither did some of the others with their records, wins/losses, motels, stadiums, or the fact that your AD is the chairman of the committee.

A adbono10,000+ posts
@PitchingFan posted:

I'm not anti-mid major.  My middle son went to The Citadel who has been to the CWS.  My problem is the RPI is manipulating a system with strange numbers to present an agenda that is not needed. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.  You should not be rewarded more for a loss on the road than a win at home.  If you lose, you lose points.  If you win, you get points.  If you schedule bad teams all the time, it will ultimately come back to haunt you.  If you want to use a system then use a system that a normal human being can comprehend but when no coach or AD can give you the formula for what do I get points for and what do I lose points for something is wrong.  When the chairman of the committee cannot determine why a team is in and why a team is out and put it in an understandable sentence something is wrong.  Now they are talking about giving double points if you play a team more than 400 miles from your campus.  That is crazy.  Their reasoning is teams in the west and northeast need incentive to play teams in the southeast.  But if you don't beat the teams in the southeast you should not get rewarded for just playing them.  When you look at several regional hosts seeds losses compared to teams in the SEC and ACC losses, they are not close. I also got tickled at the ones they gave credit for being hot early and others for being hot late.  Make up your mind.  Is it better to be hot early or late or be consistent.

BTW.  The host sites should have requirements.  ie. Kentucky not having motels available and a couple of teams choosing to stay 1 1/2 hours away and drive back and forth rather than stay in dorms and eat cafeteria food.  Schools that cannot sit enough people for the visiting teams to have plenty of seats.  Schools that cannot play in their own stadiums and go somewhere else.  Put a minimum number of permanent seats requirement on it and available hotel rooms within a reasonable distance.  I'm not pushing for UT to get a regional.  We did not deserve it the way we have played but neither did some of the others with their records, wins/losses, motels, stadiums, or the fact that your AD is the chairman of the committee.

What an awesome rant. I don’t disagree with any of it. War Damn Eagle?!?!

PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts
@anotherparent posted:

In Kentucky's defense, it is not that there are not enough hotel rooms in Lexington.  It's that there is a major country music festival, plus HS state finals in several sports, the same weekend.  Should UK be penalized for those factors beyond its control?

Yes.  Why would you turn in a request to host knowing that you do not have rooms for everyone?  You know it had to be intentional.  No way someone in the UK baseball department did not do the research to know the largest event of their town was this weekend AND the campus was the host for state championships.  There has to be some penalty.  They should not be allowed to host for a couple of years or something.  I think when it came out Monday they should have had to give up the host and it go to someone else.  So, yes they should be penalized because it was intentional advantage to make the other teams' players and fans have to be put out.  Their kids get to stay in their own beds and eat their own food.  The other teams have to stay 1 1/2 hours away or stay in bad dorms, and according to several tweets from each team, no air and bad accommodations.

ConsultantConsultant10,000+ posts

Pitching Fan;

When I operated the Area Code games and Goodwill Series, organization of the housing for the 300 players, 120 College Coaches, 300 Pro Scouts & Parents was never easy and required a system. I noticed the U of Kentucky has a Hotel School for Graduates.

The UK school should use this for training. It is important that the Baseball Dept works with the Administration. It is NOT that difficult.

Bob

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003

@PitchingFan

Visiting teams in every region have a choice of lessor expensive accommodations or dorms so it was the other team's choice to travel that distance. No 5 star hotels until you get to Omaha.

I don't  know who pays the bill, but many teams are deciding on dorms.

To state that it was done on purpose and be penalized and blame KY is crazy.

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PitchingFanPitchingFan10,000+ posts

Who would put their kids in dorms when many of them did not have working air conditioners?   You and I both know it is not realistic that somebody in that athletic department did not realize they would not have motels for players or fans.  And we both know that neither Vitello or Sully would  put their guys in dorms.   I cannot blame NCAA because Kentucky is a reputable university and for them to say we have adequate facilities was just wrong. There has to be some penalty.   They did it to gain the regional host, knowing they could not meet the need or should have known they could not make the need.  I can live with the fact if they would just own it and say our bad, we did it on purpose    Penalize us.  

S SomeBaseballDad5,000+ posts

RPI, hosting, blah, blah, blah. At 11/12 the kid suffered a serious back injury and was told by three different spine specialist that he might be able to play but give up any hope of a scholarship or being drafted. Was offered to be drafted out of HS (36-40 round, an easy no) and did receive a scholarship. Mistake, transferred, covid, TJ, and here we are. Has been offered to play indy ball, which I gave a thumbs down to. Told him today, still think this year is it, get on with your life, but now, facing tomorrow and the start of the tournament, it's stressful. Not ready for this year to end. 

N nycdad10,000+ posts
@PitchingFan posted:

Who would put their kids in dorms when many of them did not have working air conditioners?   You and I both know it is not realistic that somebody in that athletic department did not realize they would not have motels for players or fans.  And we both know that neither Vitello or Sully would  put their guys in dorms.   I cannot blame NCAA because Kentucky is a reputable university and for them to say we have adequate facilities was just wrong. There has to be some penalty.   They did it to gain the regional host, knowing they could not meet the need or should have known they could not make the need.  I can live with the fact if they would just own it and say our bad, we did it on purpose    Penalize us.  

If KY lied about dorm accommodations that is not right. But if the NCAA didn't do any research (you could literally google "what is there to do in Lex KY this weekend") it's on them. They are the governing body and ultimately responsible.

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
@nycdad posted:

If KY lied about dorm accommodations that is not right. But if the NCAA didn't do any research (you could literally google "what is there to do in Lex KY this weekend") it's on them. They are the governing body and ultimately responsible.

Not really.....

I listened to a podcast where it was mentioned and seemed to me that they thought the dorms were fine.

N nycdad10,000+ posts
@TPM posted:

Not really.....

I listened to a podcast where it was mentioned and seemed to me that they thought the dorms were fine.

But that's the thing right? You listened to a podcast, and this person heard this, and another person heard that and a blogger wrote an article....Lot of he said/she said.....That's why it's ultimately the NCAA's responsibility.

Look, I'm not saying KY should host. I am saying  I don't blame them for trying. If the NCAA had come in after selections and said...nope, so be it.

T TexasLefty1,000+ posts
@anotherparent posted:

To be fair to all, maybe they should have made the KY team members stay in the same dorms.

I somehow read this as a joke.  Too much mention of ‘KY’ put me back into my teenager joke mind.  I think it works as a joke 🤣

If KY was smarter, they’d make the dorms plush with big screens, game consoles, mini fridges, and complimentary tiny bottles of alcohol (for the 21+ rooms).  

A atlnon5,000+ posts

What I have not heard mention in the KY hosting discussion are the families and fans.  I don't think it's fair that the options for players are to stay in dorms or hotels 1.5 hrs away.   All things being equal, a hotel is going to be nicer and more comfortable than a dorm.  However, there are schools with really nice and fancy dorms that are nicer than hotels.  From what I've read, KY's dorms are not like these (as someone said, the AC isn't even working in some).

But how about the families and fans?  Is it not unfair that the families and fans of these other schools will have a hard time finding accommodations?  Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home.  How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations?  Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007

Love the music they play in Conway (Coastal Carolina) when someone hits a homer. They play the chorus from Gone by Montgomery Gentry …

Gone like a freight train
Gone like yesterday
Gone like a soldier in the Civil War
Bang Bang!
Gone like a '59 Cadillac
Like all the good things, that ain't never comin' back.

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
@atlnon posted:

What I have not heard mention in the KY hosting discussion are the families and fans.  I don't think it's fair that the options for players are to stay in dorms or hotels 1.5 hrs away.   All things being equal, a hotel is going to be nicer and more comfortable than a dorm.  However, there are schools with really nice and fancy dorms that are nicer than hotels.  From what I've read, KY's dorms are not like these (as someone said, the AC isn't even working in some).

But how about the families and fans?  Is it not unfair that the families and fans of these other schools will have a hard time finding accommodations?  Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home.  How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations?  Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?

Here’s the view from the dorms on the 24th floor at Boston University. The suites are four single bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room or two double bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room.

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A atlnon5,000+ posts
@RJM posted:

Here’s the view from the dorms on the 24th floor at Boston University. The suites are four single bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room or two double bedrooms, two baths attached to a living room.

Yup, that qualifies for "nicer than hotel rooms"...  Wow!  First thing that came to my mind is "glad I'm not paying for one of my kids to study and live there..."  I can't imagine how expensive that is.

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
@atlnon posted:

Yup, that qualifies for "nicer than hotel rooms"...  Wow!  First thing that came to my mind is "glad I'm not paying for one of my kids to study and live there..."  I can't imagine how expensive that is.

https://www.bu.edu/housing/und...ing/stuvi/33agganis/

                                     housing       meals       total

Single room in suite in 33 Harry Agganis Way$16,300$6,140$22,440
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A anotherparent10,000+ posts

Most big schools (certainly big state schools) have nice dorms and crappy dorms.  They charge more for the nice dorms.  So you can choose to spend less and then you might not get AC and 24th-floor views.

UK does have a bunch of nice new dorms, but they are not that close to the field.

As for parents and fans, yes, they have to stay an hour away.  On the other hand, it's not crucial to the team's success whether the fans get a good night's sleep, are tired from driving, or don't get to eat on schedule.  Unless you think it affects their cheering?

A atlnon5,000+ posts
@anotherparent posted:

Most big schools (certainly big state schools) have nice dorms and crappy dorms.  They charge more for the nice dorms.  So you can choose to spend less and then you might not get AC and 24th-floor views.

UK does have a bunch of nice new dorms, but they are not that close to the field.

As for parents and fans, yes, they have to stay an hour away.  On the other hand, it's not crucial to the team's success whether the fans get a good night's sleep, are tired from driving, or don't get to eat on schedule.  Unless you think it affects their cheering?

Regarding KY dorm - yes, most big schools has nice dorms and crappy dorms.  Was the nice dorm given as an option to the other teams?  I imagine proximity to the field is not that big a deal bec it will be no different from staying at a hotel (they have team bus that can take them to the field, they don't need to walk there).

Regarding fan accommodations, copying and pasting from my post above.

Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home.  How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations?  Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?

N nycdad10,000+ posts
@TPM posted:

@nycdad

I am going with the guys on the podcast.

I am not a KY fan. But I have heard that it has a really nice campus and facility, a good RPI,  and they had a tough schedule and deserved a regional.

For anyone watching today's game, the broadcasters said when KY bid on hosting, they told the NCAA everything....concerts, HS sports, etc.

If that's the case, then it sounds like KY was transparent, and it's up to the NCAA on what to do, or rather what they did. I realize this is beating a dead horse at this point.

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007

When Ivies beat bigger programs in sports they have a reputation of chanting … You may be beating us now. But you will be working for us later.

Tonight Penn can chant …. We beat you and you will be working for us later.

The amazing thing is Penn got their three runs in the last inning on three safety squeezes that all went for hits.

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T TexasLefty1,000+ posts

Coastal/Rider ….  In extra innings… foul tip 3rd strike while runner was stealing.  Ump calls dead ball and put the runner back to first.  Isn’t that still a live ball and they could’ve doubled them up by throwing to first?  And then the announcer on replay said the backswing hit the catchers glove causing ‘catcher’s interference’.  Anyone see that play?

T TerribleBPthrower10,000+ posts
@TexasLefty posted:

Coastal/Rider ….  In extra innings… foul tip 3rd strike while runner was stealing.  Ump calls dead ball and put the runner back to first.  Isn’t that still a live ball and they could’ve doubled them up by throwing to first?  And then the announcer on replay said the backswing hit the catchers glove causing ‘catcher’s interference’.  Anyone see that play?

A caught foul tip in any count is a live ball. It is treated as a pitch though and not a caught fly ball or line drive. So they could have thrown the runner out stealing. I’ve never seen catchers interference called on a backswing, but I have seen batters interference called. In this case, the batter is already out on strike 3 so the runner is sent back to his original base.  

T TerribleBPthrower10,000+ posts
@atlnon posted:

Regarding KY dorm - yes, most big schools has nice dorms and crappy dorms.  Was the nice dorm given as an option to the other teams?  I imagine proximity to the field is not that big a deal bec it will be no different from staying at a hotel (they have team bus that can take them to the field, they don't need to walk there).

Regarding fan accommodations, copying and pasting from my post above.

Their choice is to stay far away or just stay home.  How many fans that would have gone to support their team ended up just staying home bec of difficulty finding accommodations?  Does this not give unfair advantage to KY?

It’s regionals. Most fans who were going to go are still going.

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