quote:.I have no idea what you are talking about.......
In all due respect to you, I know you don't......
In all due respect to you, I know you don't......
In all due respect to you, I know you don't......
quote:OF COURSE THEY DO NOT LAND ON THEIR FRONT FOOT AND WAIT....I never said that.....
No, you didn't.......I'm glad you clarified that......
MLB hitters load and unload the body.......Of course, they load on every pitch......However, they begin the unloading process only if they make a conscience decision to swing......
The pitch has to be recognized for the brain to make a decision.......The recognition may be wrong, but it must be made......
You still have not aswered ONE of my questions.......
At what level did you last play?
Toughest pitcher you faced? And Why?
Explain your theory....I did....
Where are you?
I will be at Vandy tomorrow.....
At what level did you last play?
Toughest pitcher you faced? And Why?
Explain your theory....I did....
Where are you?
I will be at Vandy tomorrow.....
LOW, MLB hitters certainly guess, sometimes......Which is a better word than anticipate to me, anyway......
A hitter must recognize what is coming at him.....Location and speed.....Sometimes he will be wrong......But, you can't guess location and speed and if it's not there, don't swing......You can't make a living doing that....
A hitter must recognize what is coming at him.....Location and speed.....Sometimes he will be wrong......But, you can't guess location and speed and if it's not there, don't swing......You can't make a living doing that....
So are you not going to answer my questions.....I spoke w/ Tony Gwynn this past summer about the decision making process and he does not share your opinion....he was fairly successful....what do you think//
LOW, I present my opinion and if someone reading it thinks it makes sense, they can check into what I'm saying.....If not, they can discard what I say......
Rotation in the swing doesn't get a fair shake on discussion boards for the most part......
Rotation in the swing doesn't get a fair shake on discussion boards for the most part......
Last chance....Bulldog...
At what level did you last play?
Toughest pitcher you faced? and why?
At what level did you last play?
Toughest pitcher you faced? and why?
quote:.I spoke w/ Tony Gwynn this past summer about the decision making process and he does not share your opinion....he was fairly successful....what do you think//
LOW, fair enough......I am fairly familiar with Mr. Gwynn's hitting beliefs as he presents them.....He was a very good MLB hitter......I don't believe he understands the MLB swing, though........The reason I say this is because he teaches one way and he swung a different way.....
I've also heard him describe Bonds' swing and he got it wrong......So, IMO, he could do it but he can't teach it......
Here it is.....
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/bonds/flash.htm
This shows rotation beginning before foot plant........
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/palmeiro2.mpeg
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/palmeiro2.mpeg
Doggy,
Let me share your point of view with a real life teaching twist.
Yes all great players rotate into toe touch for many pitch locations. Some plant and block the turn somewhat for pitches up and away. If you want the clips of the same player doing it I can provide.
My main point from teaching players is this...
You must coil the hips during/ before the stride to rotate into toe touch. The later happens when the preswing is correct.
You must transfer weight when you carry the middle out....same thing different language.
SO if you focus on the rotation into foot plant and you think that is a valuable "teach" you might have a miserable coaching session IMO.
If you focus on loading the core with a neg weight shift that is a coiling/ tucking of the rear hip and tell the player to release the back side, drive the rear knee into the ball, drag the rear toe at contact, have the rear foot weightless at contact then you are armed with more good teaching cues.
When you get married one set of terms or when you look at one point like rotation into toe touch then you might miss some move that occurs "up stream " that allowed that to happen.
THere is no holy grail universal term set that makes a kid a great hitter. It is more complicated than that. Do I want all the term sets in my arsenal...yes...but I know you have taught kids that needed a different thought to get going
"I've also heard him describe Bonds' swing and he got it wrong"
I listened and thought so too BUT..when he spoke of pulling the bottom hand through he could mean many things with his cue. When you lead the bottom hand through to past your lead pocket I guarantee you transfered your weight. YOu cannot hit the ball out front and back foot spin. When you stay on your backside as you hinge your knee you tend to release the bat about the belly button. The HR in the bay are pulled meaning Bonds pulled through past his body before the barrel released. We don't know what Tony thought anymore than he would know what carry the middle out would mean. I know he had 8 batting titles and pioneered film study of his personal at bats
"I've also heard him describe Bonds' swing and he got it wrong......So, IMO, he could do it but he can't teach it......"
Time those 6 clips and you break them down and write the script or better yet just flat footed say it in the allotted time where the public gets it for TV. Your defining a guy with 8 batting titles ability to teach from that.
What would people say about him if he only had 7 batting titles?
Let me share your point of view with a real life teaching twist.
Yes all great players rotate into toe touch for many pitch locations. Some plant and block the turn somewhat for pitches up and away. If you want the clips of the same player doing it I can provide.
My main point from teaching players is this...
You must coil the hips during/ before the stride to rotate into toe touch. The later happens when the preswing is correct.
You must transfer weight when you carry the middle out....same thing different language.
SO if you focus on the rotation into foot plant and you think that is a valuable "teach" you might have a miserable coaching session IMO.
If you focus on loading the core with a neg weight shift that is a coiling/ tucking of the rear hip and tell the player to release the back side, drive the rear knee into the ball, drag the rear toe at contact, have the rear foot weightless at contact then you are armed with more good teaching cues.
When you get married one set of terms or when you look at one point like rotation into toe touch then you might miss some move that occurs "up stream " that allowed that to happen.
THere is no holy grail universal term set that makes a kid a great hitter. It is more complicated than that. Do I want all the term sets in my arsenal...yes...but I know you have taught kids that needed a different thought to get going
"I've also heard him describe Bonds' swing and he got it wrong"
I listened and thought so too BUT..when he spoke of pulling the bottom hand through he could mean many things with his cue. When you lead the bottom hand through to past your lead pocket I guarantee you transfered your weight. YOu cannot hit the ball out front and back foot spin. When you stay on your backside as you hinge your knee you tend to release the bat about the belly button. The HR in the bay are pulled meaning Bonds pulled through past his body before the barrel released. We don't know what Tony thought anymore than he would know what carry the middle out would mean. I know he had 8 batting titles and pioneered film study of his personal at bats
"I've also heard him describe Bonds' swing and he got it wrong......So, IMO, he could do it but he can't teach it......"
Time those 6 clips and you break them down and write the script or better yet just flat footed say it in the allotted time where the public gets it for TV. Your defining a guy with 8 batting titles ability to teach from that.
What would people say about him if he only had 7 batting titles?
Thanks LOW337...appreciated the post.
quote:LOW, I present my opinion and if someone reading it thinks it makes sense, they can check into what I'm saying.....If not, they can discard what I say......
Believe what Bluedog is saying is you can go to the source and pay for what I know type of jist or not pay for what I know and/or I will continue to belittle you, talk down to you, and make my pay-per-view judgements from up on high
until you do what I have done and "PAY"-LOLOne thing that is glaringly obvious to all us Bluedog is your evasive tactics involving your avoidance in answering questions about your level of "ACTUAL" experience and why you have so much authority over us ex-pros/scouts.
If you were somebody with creditionals, surely you wouldn't burn bridges with cross-ckers--
If you are just a HS player would advise you to remain anonymous
so we won't be bias toward your arrogant disposition when we come see you and make major decisions about where you might fall in draft order 
Shep Cares
A couple of misconception about the rotational swing. First was the reference to weight on the back foot on the pivot. Actually, the rotational swing enables the hitter to rotate to the point that the hitter comes up on that back toe at finish. Linear people believe that you "throw the hands" at the ball. I know that once Charlie Lau was heard to say it because I heard him. Do you (anyone) see that? I see the hands and the upperbody working as one. I see what happens at foot plant as I posted in another thread:
"Toe open too soon promotes "flying open" or whatever term you want to use instead of staying "on the ball." Perhaps not a big issue with many but with a younger player that pulls off of the ball anyway...
Second answer - an open toe often destroys balance. I state that, in my opinion, it is impossible to keep the front toe closed. However, it opens as the body opens it with torque. JMHO!"
If anyone were to ask Bluedog if the stride initiated has forward movement then I'm certain he will answer yes and I'm certain he will answer that it is very important. I also believe that if you think that rotational hitting is simply what happens with the lower portion of the body during the swing then you're missing the point.
Swingbuster made a great comment when he stated there is no holy grail of terms. In fact, terms are so confusing since they seem to have changed meaning so often that no one understands them.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to list some qualities of each swing! Maybe we've confused this issue so much that we can't come to agreement on what happens in the swing.
Thanks everyone for participating in this thread. Sharing ideas such as this is the BEST WAY TO LEARN. Have a Great Day. BASEBALL STARTS FOR US TOMORROW.
"Toe open too soon promotes "flying open" or whatever term you want to use instead of staying "on the ball." Perhaps not a big issue with many but with a younger player that pulls off of the ball anyway...
Second answer - an open toe often destroys balance. I state that, in my opinion, it is impossible to keep the front toe closed. However, it opens as the body opens it with torque. JMHO!"
If anyone were to ask Bluedog if the stride initiated has forward movement then I'm certain he will answer yes and I'm certain he will answer that it is very important. I also believe that if you think that rotational hitting is simply what happens with the lower portion of the body during the swing then you're missing the point.
Swingbuster made a great comment when he stated there is no holy grail of terms. In fact, terms are so confusing since they seem to have changed meaning so often that no one understands them.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to list some qualities of each swing! Maybe we've confused this issue so much that we can't come to agreement on what happens in the swing.
Thanks everyone for participating in this thread. Sharing ideas such as this is the BEST WAY TO LEARN. Have a Great Day. BASEBALL STARTS FOR US TOMORROW.
Low
Understand one thing here-- Bluedog thinks he has all the answers--except for one thing--you ask him a question and you never get an answer--he will use smokescreens and if you play the right music he might even tap dance
I like your approach--you are up front
Understand one thing here-- Bluedog thinks he has all the answers--except for one thing--you ask him a question and you never get an answer--he will use smokescreens and if you play the right music he might even tap dance
I like your approach--you are up front
quote:Last chance....Bulldog...
At what level did you last play?
Toughest pitcher you faced? and why?
Maybe I can help you with the questions posed to Blue's Clues, LOW,
1. 14 year old Senior League.
2. Jimmy Spradling, because he threw a blazing 60 mph heater.... and he used to take my lunch money!
quote:Explain your theory....I did....
His theory can be purchased for the low low price of only $847....that's seven payments of $121, and if you order in the next ten minutes, we'll even knock of an entire payment for you.
quote:His theory can be purchased for the low low price of only $847....that's seven payments of $121, and if you order in the next ten minutes, we'll even knock of an entire payment for you.
Gloveman,
You have hit the nail on the head, sir.
This board psychology by Doggie is strictly a money thing.
Shep
I'm certainly not taking sides here, because its not necessary, but I don't think its the most important thing for BlueDog (or Linear) to prove that they did it at a certain level.
Now Shep, you have done it at a high level, and I really respect that, but that really doesn't mean you can teach it well. (and it really scares me when you refer to yourself in the 3rd person all the time - sorta like ""the maestro" in Seinfield!!)
Just b/c someone didn't play at a high level doesn't mean they can't teach at a high level.
Having said that, it would be helpful to Doggie's case to at least stand up, be a man, and admit to where he played. It wouldn't mean all that much to me, as it relates to teaching ability, but it certainly does give alot of credibility.
Look at Mike Schmidt - he did it all, but apparantly doesn't really know how he did it!!
Now Shep, you have done it at a high level, and I really respect that, but that really doesn't mean you can teach it well. (and it really scares me when you refer to yourself in the 3rd person all the time - sorta like ""the maestro" in Seinfield!!)
Just b/c someone didn't play at a high level doesn't mean they can't teach at a high level.
Having said that, it would be helpful to Doggie's case to at least stand up, be a man, and admit to where he played. It wouldn't mean all that much to me, as it relates to teaching ability, but it certainly does give alot of credibility.
Look at Mike Schmidt - he did it all, but apparantly doesn't really know how he did it!!
Don’t know about BlueDog, but Linear has played the game. Sometimes I think they’re the same person, sometimes I don’t.
Not many here have ever disagreed with what they (Linear, BlueDog) believe. In fact, most DO agree with much of what they have to say. It’s just no big secret to hear about the importance of (USING THE MIDDLE OF THE BODY). My Grandpa talked about that 50 years ago and he was taught it 50 years before that.
Guess if BlueDog is selling something, that might be the reason for him not giving away info. But, to debate anything, you need at least two people. To simply claim someone doesn’t know what they are talking about, just don’t get anything done.
Linear, opens up at times and tells us what he knows and thinks. Most, really appreciate that approach when it stays somewhat polite. I don’t agree with everything he thinks, but he does THINK and he knows the game. At times it appears he is trying to reinvent things, but he supports his beliefs. Even to the point of showing his somewhat elderly and out of shape, video clips. You gotta appreciate people who go to that much trouble to display their opinion. I ask… How many would be willing to do that? Chris did the same thing and it kind of didn’t help his cause much.
If the goal is simply to sell something I would think case history (examples) and support from the highest levels would help. Results count! Something beside “I used to do this and then I did this and it’s much better and the people who do it the old way are fools”. For those words to mean anything, don’t we need to know WHO used to, but now found something so new and astonishing. Example – If Tony Gwynn made that claim, people would perk up in a hurry!
We need to respect those who have been on the mound or in the batters box at the highest levels. It’s impossible to spend 10-20 years in Professional baseball without learning anything. If we’re going to learn by watching them, aren’t we simply copying what someone else has taught them? Yes, there is the all important natural ability, but does anyone think MLB hitters don’t make adjustments? Does anyone think MLB hitters have the same exact swing they had when they were 14 years old?
Talking to Joe Blake last week, I asked him what his son (Casey Blake) was doing during the off season. Joe said Casey was making some changes in his swing. Guess you could say, he is still learning. Seems kind of odd that someone (not in the game) would have it all figured out!
For those who might not know Casey’s history… He was a 1st team all American at Wichita State. He was an amazing hitter in high school and college. This will be his 11th year in pro ball, played in the Big Leagues with the Blue Jays, Twins, Orioles and has been a starter for the Indians the past three years. A very talented young man who is one of the best students of the game I’ve ever met.
Combining knowledge with application and experience is what’s important. One without the others, falls short!
Not many here have ever disagreed with what they (Linear, BlueDog) believe. In fact, most DO agree with much of what they have to say. It’s just no big secret to hear about the importance of (USING THE MIDDLE OF THE BODY). My Grandpa talked about that 50 years ago and he was taught it 50 years before that.
Guess if BlueDog is selling something, that might be the reason for him not giving away info. But, to debate anything, you need at least two people. To simply claim someone doesn’t know what they are talking about, just don’t get anything done.
Linear, opens up at times and tells us what he knows and thinks. Most, really appreciate that approach when it stays somewhat polite. I don’t agree with everything he thinks, but he does THINK and he knows the game. At times it appears he is trying to reinvent things, but he supports his beliefs. Even to the point of showing his somewhat elderly and out of shape, video clips. You gotta appreciate people who go to that much trouble to display their opinion. I ask… How many would be willing to do that? Chris did the same thing and it kind of didn’t help his cause much.
If the goal is simply to sell something I would think case history (examples) and support from the highest levels would help. Results count! Something beside “I used to do this and then I did this and it’s much better and the people who do it the old way are fools”. For those words to mean anything, don’t we need to know WHO used to, but now found something so new and astonishing. Example – If Tony Gwynn made that claim, people would perk up in a hurry!
We need to respect those who have been on the mound or in the batters box at the highest levels. It’s impossible to spend 10-20 years in Professional baseball without learning anything. If we’re going to learn by watching them, aren’t we simply copying what someone else has taught them? Yes, there is the all important natural ability, but does anyone think MLB hitters don’t make adjustments? Does anyone think MLB hitters have the same exact swing they had when they were 14 years old?
Talking to Joe Blake last week, I asked him what his son (Casey Blake) was doing during the off season. Joe said Casey was making some changes in his swing. Guess you could say, he is still learning. Seems kind of odd that someone (not in the game) would have it all figured out!
For those who might not know Casey’s history… He was a 1st team all American at Wichita State. He was an amazing hitter in high school and college. This will be his 11th year in pro ball, played in the Big Leagues with the Blue Jays, Twins, Orioles and has been a starter for the Indians the past three years. A very talented young man who is one of the best students of the game I’ve ever met.
Combining knowledge with application and experience is what’s important. One without the others, falls short!
goMo, my intent is not really to make a case for most of the coaches on here.....Most all coaches will never improve their beliefs and/or teaching methods when it relates to hitting........They are stuck on, that's the way it's always been done mode.....And, that's the way I learned it mode......
My intent for discussing hitting here is for a parent or player to read what I have to say and decide for themselves if what I say makes sense to them....If it does, then they can search for the answers to how MLB hitters swing and learn for themselves.....Learning this stuff is a journey.....And, there is so much misinformation out there about rotation in the swing that it's hard for people to decide who to listen to and/or learn from.....
So many coaches say do this and don't do that.....Swingbuster is telling me that he knows from teaching experience and I don't.....Yet, he doesn't have a clue how any of my students hit, good or bad....Things like this should tell people who are reading this stuff about the posters.....Actually, I don't have a large ego....I present my case and explain it well......Most around here don't understand what I'm saying because they can't/won't stop crowing and attacking me long enough to read it and try to understand it.....
Swingbuster, I don't mean anything against you....You mean well and do research.....You got stuck on pre-loading and can't get it out of your system.....And, you got on what's his names bad side and took alot of flack from him.....I never got involved in any of that and won't....But, I will say I believe it cost you from learning some stuff about rotation in the swing....
My intent for discussing hitting here is for a parent or player to read what I have to say and decide for themselves if what I say makes sense to them....If it does, then they can search for the answers to how MLB hitters swing and learn for themselves.....Learning this stuff is a journey.....And, there is so much misinformation out there about rotation in the swing that it's hard for people to decide who to listen to and/or learn from.....
So many coaches say do this and don't do that.....Swingbuster is telling me that he knows from teaching experience and I don't.....Yet, he doesn't have a clue how any of my students hit, good or bad....Things like this should tell people who are reading this stuff about the posters.....Actually, I don't have a large ego....I present my case and explain it well......Most around here don't understand what I'm saying because they can't/won't stop crowing and attacking me long enough to read it and try to understand it.....
Swingbuster, I don't mean anything against you....You mean well and do research.....You got stuck on pre-loading and can't get it out of your system.....And, you got on what's his names bad side and took alot of flack from him.....I never got involved in any of that and won't....But, I will say I believe it cost you from learning some stuff about rotation in the swing....
quote:You must learn the physics and bio-mechanics involved from someone who knows this stuff well to get on the right track.....That list of people is very small.....
Okay I give.
BlueDog, I want what you have.......
Who do I call?
Shep
Aren't some of the better hitting & pitching coaches former players that had lackluster careers or never even made it to the big show. Rudy Jaramillo and Leo Mazzone come to mind as never having played in the majors. Teaching is a quality in itself regardless of personal success. Some have it and some don't.
p.s. also nteresting to note that Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs,
Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick never played on the pro level.
p.s. also nteresting to note that Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs,
Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick never played on the pro level.
PGStaff, you have always been above board and a stand up guy on here.....I have respected what you have to say.....However.........
Why would you insinuate that I'm selling something around here?.....Do you know someone who has bought anything from me?.....Please tell me as I need to collect....
A side note........CoachB25 has credentials and credibility and is also a stand up guy.....So, what he has to say is very much worth listening to......His stuff is real and comes from the field and classroom.....He is a true student of hitting.....Would be real nice if other coaches were as prudent.....
Why would you insinuate that I'm selling something around here?.....Do you know someone who has bought anything from me?.....Please tell me as I need to collect....
A side note........CoachB25 has credentials and credibility and is also a stand up guy.....So, what he has to say is very much worth listening to......His stuff is real and comes from the field and classroom.....He is a true student of hitting.....Would be real nice if other coaches were as prudent.....
MT07, you should post more often.....Your common sense is a true bright spot around here.....And, your honesty is a welcome addition, also.....Welcome your input anytime...... 
Your tap-dancing again.
Now Doggie,
I have requested source of your infinite wisdom and you are once again, running from the question. Why should I expect any different??
This type of psychlogy does not help your cause because I for one see all the way through it.
See it everyday in a classroom, a real classroom.
Kinda reminds when little Johnny looks like the cat who swallowed the canary....Heard that story?
One more chance Blue, what level do you play or have played and who is the toughest pitcher you have ever faced? Remember this question from LOW in Indiana? OBTW, Ben McDonald would probably be one of the best I faced in professional ranks in actual game.
Shep's Waiting for Decision
Now Doggie,
I have requested source of your infinite wisdom and you are once again, running from the question. Why should I expect any different??
This type of psychlogy does not help your cause because I for one see all the way through it.
See it everyday in a classroom, a real classroom.
Kinda reminds when little Johnny looks like the cat who swallowed the canary....Heard that story?
One more chance Blue, what level do you play or have played and who is the toughest pitcher you have ever faced? Remember this question from LOW in Indiana? OBTW, Ben McDonald would probably be one of the best I faced in professional ranks in actual game.
Shep's Waiting for Decision
quote:Swingbuster is telling me that he knows from teaching experience and I don't.....Yet, he doesn't have a clue how any
BD,
Dont think I said that. I said that you know from teaching that any set of cues can fail.
I don't find the statement that players rotate into toe touch that helpful to kids....even if it is true. I will look at Steves stuff soon and maybe I will have a better concept of if and how to use those facts
Mine are:
Justin Thompson in HS
Keith Foulke in and intrasquad in college
Justin Thompson in HS
Keith Foulke in and intrasquad in college
Feels like a Mexican standoff>
Come on Blue>
Respond
Shep
Come on Blue>
Respond
Shep
Swingbuster, I've always known you to be a stand up guy, also....I still believe you are.... 
I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Just needed to clear up a few things about rotation in the swing.....Seems it gets clear as muddy water to most....
I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Just needed to clear up a few things about rotation in the swing.....Seems it gets clear as muddy water to most....
quote:I don't find the statement that players rotate into toe touch that helpful to kids....
Swing, I agree it's not important to tell them to do so, but, if they aren't doing it, they aren't using their middle properly......It's something to look for in their swing and make sure it is happening, IMO.......However, they don't have to know they do it....
quote:I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Don't leave on my account bro, I'm not here for attention but do like to be communicated with in dignified manner as do several others you have banter here with. Respectful towards others is most important attribute a prospect can have...know what I mean Bluedog?
Furthermore, don't put off your condescending comments and attitudes on me pal because I am here to help and not criticize others, especially MLB scouts and proven Div I coaches.
This is not the Highlander. We can all work together for the good of others without the personal attacks and chest puffing. When you back me in a corner, I will remind you who your talking to and why you should listen. Called self-preservation where I come from...
You are probably too advanced for us anyways
Shep Cares
OBTW
You still haven't answered questions from LOW or me....
Until then.....Nothing you say means anything to many of us.
Got any clips you can demonstrate throwing motion or proper hitting mechanics since you been there that should give you great credibility.
Would probably be helpful to many here trying to learn something for their sons or themselves.
Don't you want to share your knowledge in visual manner like on a videoclip?
That should help clear things up for us
Shep
You still haven't answered questions from LOW or me....
Until then.....Nothing you say means anything to many of us.
Got any clips you can demonstrate throwing motion or proper hitting mechanics since you been there that should give you great credibility.
Would probably be helpful to many here trying to learn something for their sons or themselves.
Don't you want to share your knowledge in visual manner like on a videoclip?
That should help clear things up for us
Shep
quote:Aren't some of the better hitting & pitching coaches former players that had lackluster careers or never even made it to the big show. Rudy Jaramillo and Leo Mazzone come to mind as never having played in the majors. Teaching is a quality in itself regardless of personal success. Some have it and some don't.
p.s. also nteresting to note that Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs,
Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick never played on the pro level.
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
MT07,
True, it is not mandatory to have played at the very highest level to be a great coach. However, nobody gets to the top accidently. No one starts at the top!
Mazzone was a professional pitcher for 8 or 9 years. The he managed in the minor leagues. He then became the Atlanta Pitching coach in 1990. He was in professional baseball (pitching and coaching) for 24 years before that. He has been in professional baseball for about 40 years. I would call that some serious experience. FWIW, he is 2 years younger than yours truly!
Jaramillo is recognized as one of the very best hitting instructors in baseball.
He played at U of Texas (college World Series). Played 4 years of professional baseball. Been in pro baseball for 38 years. Last 12 as Rangers hitting coach. That is some serious experience.
Here is something copied from an article:
Jaramillo… "Bonds is a student who never stops learning,"
Jaramillo has developed five keys to help hitters, whether they are 9 or 25: rhythm; see the ball; separate your hands; stay square; shift weight. Essentially it comes down to two key components: Separation and recognition. Or in even simpler terms: See the ball, hit the ball.
By preaching proper separation of the upper and lower body, Jaramillo gets hitters in a better hitting position earlier. It keeps them from lunging for balls and it gives them a fraction of a second more to recognize the pitch. An extra fraction of a second in the big leagues can make all the difference between fouling a ball off or driving it into the gaps.
BlueDog,
Sorry if you're not selling anything. Can't honestly say I've seen you do that.
Who are the very "few" who have the knowledge to teach rotational hitting correctly? Can Jaramillo teach it?
Sorry if you're not selling anything. Can't honestly say I've seen you do that.
Who are the very "few" who have the knowledge to teach rotational hitting correctly? Can Jaramillo teach it?
PG, yours noted sir. However, my point was that you need not succeed or even reach the majors as a player to becomce a top notch coach/instructor as Rudy and Leo never made it to the majors as players yet they are considered the best coaches in their respective fields. I don't question their overall baseball background/experience.
quote:Coach, hardly anyone understands what a rotational swing means, or consists of......And, by that I do mean, hardly anyone.....
This is not true, many understand.
quote:..Nobody on this thread understands rotation in the swing......Alot of off-base statements so far......
Once again, you would be surprised.
This statement is the worst I've seen, so far, but hang on though, it gets better.quote:All I'm saying is that none of you understand rotation in the swing......That's not arrogant, at all......It's just a fact......
Sounds like uncertainty for someone so confidentquote:.....Just like you people think you do......But, I really didn't and neither do any of you......
quote:I understand your way.....You do not understand my way.......
Your saying this to a seasoned veteran who has coached DivI baseball and been involved in pro baseball for over 16 years. Bet cha' didn't know that. Not talking about me either because I only have 15 years pro involvement and coached one year Div I baseball myself.quote:In all due respect to you, I know you don't know what your talking about
YHGTB_KMquote:LOW, fair enough......I am fairly familiar with Mr. Gwynn's hitting beliefs as he presents them.....He was a very good MLB hitter......I don't believe he understands the MLB swing
I am highly suspect of those who put themselves above HOF hitters.... Will let the board decide. Okay board these are Bluedog's quotes on this thread. You can decide because I really have no horse in this race or son, besides I am just borrowing Doggie's oxygen, this is His world-JK LOL
No pun just fun brother BlueDog because I really think your an A+ student-of-the-game but need to work on communication skills just a little
Shep
MT07,
Wasn't arguing... I agree with you completely.
They all have a strong baseball background and lots of experience. The majority of the top coaches did not have successful Major League careers.
Professional baseball coaching, managing, etc. require a lot of sacrifice of time. Most successful ML players have too much money to make those sacrifices.
Wasn't arguing... I agree with you completely.
They all have a strong baseball background and lots of experience. The majority of the top coaches did not have successful Major League careers.
Professional baseball coaching, managing, etc. require a lot of sacrifice of time. Most successful ML players have too much money to make those sacrifices.
Personally I have a problem with a poster such as Bluedog/Linear/Rshard etal who will never answer a question.
I almost get the feeling that once off the internet, where they are totally anonymous and strong in their minds, they are the type that is stuck in that "honey do" mode at home--this is the only place that they can be strong without even realizing how weak they really are---
It has nothing to do with selling anything, it has to do with their ego or actual lack of it in the real world
Read their posts:
They never answer questions
They never talk about their experiences
The bluff their way thru everything
They have told nobody any details about their baseball background
Just the thoughts of a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve and isnt ashamed of it
I almost get the feeling that once off the internet, where they are totally anonymous and strong in their minds, they are the type that is stuck in that "honey do" mode at home--this is the only place that they can be strong without even realizing how weak they really are---
It has nothing to do with selling anything, it has to do with their ego or actual lack of it in the real world
Read their posts:
They never answer questions
They never talk about their experiences
The bluff their way thru everything
They have told nobody any details about their baseball background
Just the thoughts of a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve and isnt ashamed of it
TR
Who is Rshard etal? Surprised I missed him.
Shep
Who is Rshard etal? Surprised I missed him.
Shep
I appreciate every one of you guys and the insight you bring to this board. If everyone agreed all the time it would be boring and what would I learn? I've learned a lot from Bluedog and Linear because they brought different beliefs than what I previously had been instructed in.
And to answer the "toughest" question: Mike Madden in Legion ball(pitched with the Mets for a stint)... the lights were horrible and I was praying that they would change the rules to 1 strike and you're out.
College basketball is way ahead of baseball (especially pro) in one aspect. They look for coaches.... not just ex-players. You think Roy Williams couldn't coach at any level of basketball??? They've got lots of guys like that ... baseball is a "good old boy" system if there ever was one.
And to answer the "toughest" question: Mike Madden in Legion ball(pitched with the Mets for a stint)... the lights were horrible and I was praying that they would change the rules to 1 strike and you're out.
College basketball is way ahead of baseball (especially pro) in one aspect. They look for coaches.... not just ex-players. You think Roy Williams couldn't coach at any level of basketball??? They've got lots of guys like that ... baseball is a "good old boy" system if there ever was one.
TrojanSkipper
We also appreciate you sir and your absolutely right about the good ole boy system, absolutely.
Your post touched me for some reason...Thank you
Shep
We also appreciate you sir and your absolutely right about the good ole boy system, absolutely.
Your post touched me for some reason...Thank you
Shep
