Assess this statement.

Got an even better one for you than that midnight rambler...Something else to thing about...

Mickey Mantle busting coal with sledgehammer on coal screen in coal mine

Is your son/or you having a good year? Sounds like after reading "all" your posts that he will.

Tell FL Hokie Shep said hi

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
This statement was made to me on another site.

...actually, every hitter in the major leagues today hits with the linear approach, not the rotational approach. every single one.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are ....This is a statement made by someone who does not know the difference between the two. Go to the hitting clips and see hitter after hitter get to approx. 50/50 wgt dist after toe touch (before the swing starts). Then watch their heads. If they are not fooled on the pitch they are all steady. (Unless you are looking at old clips of Wade Boggs or new ones of Ichiro etc.).... ARod to name the best currently, has absolutely no forward movement after stride (which happens before the swing). ... Rotational is not the only way to hit...but to say that most MLB players are not using a rotational swing is absurd. This does not mean they swing perfect every time...when fooled they adjust, sometimes with linear movement... BTW.... It's definetly not the only way for younger hitters (HS and younger) to have success IMO....

You mean like this troy99;how are you tonight sir?

Wished I had a clip of A-Rod...

Got a few others though, will go and fetch a

few better examples.  

LOW, you sound like the typical old establishment type of coach who views hitting technique as, this is the way it's always been done.......I won't insult you as you have done me, simply because you're not worth insulting to me.....

I will say this about you, though......Hitting people like you are the reason pitchers dominate.....You are a pitcher's best friend.....Your way of teaching hitting is old and tired....There is a better way....You need to search for it....

Low, MLB hitters don't hit against a stiff front leg.....The swing isn't about resistance...It's about using the middle properly.....Plain and simple....

MLB hitters don't hit against anything.....

I could tell early on that you don't understand rotation.....

Bulldog>Are you trying to tell us that these two hitters aren't hitting against a rigid front side??? BTW, Good evening sir These are both Homeruns here by Will/1989 and JD/1995

I'm not trying to tell you anything......Read my post and you will see what I did tell you.....Trying isn't in the equation....

Thank you for the kind words.

What do you want hitters to do then. Hold the front leg up when coming forward in swing while rotating and make contact with front foot off ground??

If you stand by what you just posted how else can we view it? Concerned instructors want to know?

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Low, MLB hitters don't hit against a stiff front leg.....The swing isn't about resistance...It's about using the middle properly.....Plain and simple....

MLB hitters don't hit against anything.....

I could tell early on that you don't understand rotation.....

Bluedog....

I never said, NEVER SAID....that you hit w/ a stiff front leg....the front side must be FIRM....and you cannot begin any sort of rotation w/ force (taking your back side ie.. hip TO and THRU the ball) untill the front heel hits the ground.....dude you are so far out there in describing what you are trying to explain......NO ONE on the planet involved w/ professional or college baseball will tell you hit against a STIFF front leg.....come on dude...

What do you do for a living? (BLUEDOG)

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Thank you for the kind words.

What do you want hitters to do then. Hold the front leg up when coming forward in swing while rotating and make contact with front foot off ground??

Exactly Shep...what on earth is he (Bluedog) talking about?

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LOW, you sound like the typical old establishment type of coach who views hitting technique as, this is the way it's always been done.......I won't insult you as you have done me, simply because you're not worth insulting to me.....

I will say this about you, though......Hitting people like you are the reason pitchers dominate.....You are a pitcher's best friend.....Your way of teaching hitting is old and tired....There is a better way....You need to search for it....

Bluedog...

What is keeping you out of baseball? Apply for a job....get it and then you can cure all the hitting woes in the world....Some big league clubs sure could use you.

Bluedog...

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong on the following statements!

1. You have NEVER played this game beyond High School.

2. All of the knowledge you have attained is purely from reading and observance.

3. You currently do not work w/ College or Professional hitters.

4. You have never faced a pitcher while playing at the college or professional level.

5. You have yet to answer one of my questions.

I believe your intentions are meaningful and well intended. But completely out of left field and very inaccurate.



PLEASE...PLEASE....PLEASE....tell me where I am wrong w/ the above statements....PLEASE...I'm on my knees begging you....

Thanks for asking shep and yes my son is doing very well this year..He missed last week with the flu but should pitch tommorrow nite.. This thread is killin me. I just enjoy watchin the fireworks..

Mniterarambler....

I'm really a very soft spoken person....but I just can't believe the things that Bluedog is typing.....

I got on this website by stumbling across it....enjoyed reading the posts...

I just couldn't bite my lip any longer.....

LOW, baseball is a good ole boy system filled chock full of people who teach tired, old and faulty hitting technique.....To be a member of that establishment is not a compliment in my opinion......

You, like most, teach linear hands to the ball, resistance from the front side old dinosaur type of stuff.....Which is fine with me.....

However, when you come on here and profess to understand and explain rotation in the swing to people who don't know any better and are searching for answers to something better than what you teach, and you don't have a clue as to what rotation in the swing is, then, I have a problem with that.....

Stick to what you know....Not what you think you know, but don't.....

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.kinda gotta have something to hit against.....

I'll tell you again......MLB hitters don't hit against anything......They use their middle properly......

LOW, there is no doubt in my mind you don't even know where the middle is......

Back now>Incoming ringers going off on both ends of house. Know you can relate LOW.
Wonder if BD has this problem.....naw, no way.

LOW,

Now that's a great idea about applying for MLB job except he would be unemployed rather quickly with some of the advice he is suggesting for us here of late. IMHO

Shep

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/palmeiro2.mpeg

LOW, a clip you posted and commented wrongly on......Rotation into foot plant is very obvious......Very easy to see the hips are opening before foot plant.....

And, Don Slaught IS wrong.....

I know what you mean Low I just enjoy readin what people have to say... Ya never know when there may be a tip that rings that bell in your head.

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LOW, baseball is a good ole boy system filled chock full of people who teach tired, old and faulty hitting technique.....To be a member of that establishment is not a compliment in my opinion......

Why the bad taste Blue? Don't think LOW has been unfair in his requests. Neither have I...

Hey Mnight Rider, glad to hear from ya' sir.

Is entertaining at times. Will probably get to see your son this season. You have my attention.

Bluedog, LOW is showing you some respect. Is it too much for you to do the same with all of us others, as well.

Shep

I will say that the discussions on the mechanics are fascinating, entertaining and perhaps informative if you know who has credibility and who doesn't. But regardless of who is right and who is wrong in these discussions, it ought to be clear that hitting is far more than mechanics. It includes many mental aspects, speed, coordination, etc... A player can have perfect mechanics and not be able to hit. And clearly there is more than one way to success, probably dependent to a large degree on the individual.

For anyone to say or imply, however, that guys who have succeeded on a professional level are uninformed or lack understanding is just plain stupid and destroys credibility.

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/L._Gonzalez03.mpeg

Easy to see again, rotation before foot plant....

LOW doesn't understand what rotation is.....The rotation forces the front foot to the ground.....There is no torque and no resistance....And, the decision to swing has been made long before this happens.....

Again I will say, I truly don't believe LOW knows what the middle of a hitter is.....

Bluedog....

You obviously do not know what it means to hit against a firm front side....

As you rotate to hit the ball your front leg is firm (not neccesarily bent).

If your front side is weak then the front knee will get over the front foot....I do not (nor anyone that I know) condone the latter.

You would like your front knee to stay inside your front foot in an ideal world....provided you are not fooled on the pitch.

jemaz, you sound like baseball establishment.....

http://www.baseballtips.com/13reasons.html

Bluedog,

Meant to ask you; Are you the devil's advocate?

Don't you think you are getting a little too carried away with your "establishment accusations" towards everyone who posts around you

OOhhh BBLLUUEEDDDOOGG....WWWEEE WWOORRSSHHIIIPP YYYOUU

I learned a long time ago that there is no right and wrong for everybody. Some kids its easy to see what is going wrong in their swing and some its not. Its a matter of trial and error and hopefully in the end the player will come up with what works for them. People can coach them until they are blue in the face but it wont help until the player all of a sudden finds that comfort zone that he can explode out of,,,,,see ball,hit ball, run the bases, dont make a science out of something that is not exact to begin with. Go ahead and laugh but the truth is the truth!

LOW, actually it is better if the front leg is bent at ball contact.....

It's not about a firm front side.....It's about using the middle to power the swing.....The front leg must be used properly, but it has nothing to do with resistance or torque.........

Understand that I am talking about rotation in the swing......This is something you do not understand or teach.....

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If your front side is weak then the front knee will get over the front foot....

It will if, and only if, you aren't using the middle properly and rotating with connection......

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http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/L._Gonzalez03.mpeg

Bluedog...

He does not rotate before his front foot hits the ground......You are confusing his preparation to hit anything thrown to him as rotation....He prepared to swing (timing if you will) then carried the swing thru. If it was not a desireable pitch he would have NOT swung.

A hitter does need to feel rotation with connection to know if he's doing it properly......It takes a thorough understanding of knowing the right power source, how to use it and how to use posture properly to be able to teach rotation in the swing.....Also, the teacher must understand connection, how to do it and how to hold it, and how it relates to rotation.....Because without connection there cannot be any rotation.....

OR (at higher levels) the hitter is FOOLED>>>>

Maybe you will answer this Bluedog......

where did you learn about the topic of what you speak?

Low I believe their is a guy high up in the tibet mountains that can straighten all this out.lmao ask the dahli lama

BlueDog:

I don't think I know enough to be considered "baseball establishment." What I am trying to do is figure it out because I find it interesting and I want my youngest son to understand the best way to hit. That said, the link you provided goes to an article that paints with a broad brush. I have met many different instructors from many different organizations and all have their own style and philosophies (with many -- but not universal -- similarities).

Jim Lefebvre thoroughly understands all of the different philosophies and has all of the different equipment at his disposal, but uses terminology that is not the same that is presented here. Jeff Pentland is clearly a linear guy (I think) who preaches a clear weight shift. Brian Harper hit .295 for his distinguished career in the big leagues who believes in linear principles and taking the hands to and through the ball. He emphasizes a loading of the legs, but not one that causes the eyes to drop. Dave Hudgens seems brilliant to me and teaches a combination of both. Dave Hilton is one of the finest baseball teachers I have ever encoutered -- on both mechanics and mental aspects of the game -- and constantly is seeking to learn more. Robin Yount's career speaks for itself and his postive impact on young players is unmmatched. Ken Phelps looks at me when I use these terms and tells me that the worst thing a hitter can do at the plate in the big leagues is to think too much. He liked pitches away far more than anything else. There are lots or others in and out of organizations I have encountered and the most common attribute among them is their love of the game and their desire to impart their knowledge to any young player with a similar love. None of them pretended to have all the answers, but all of them still are trying to gain a greater understanding and credit hard work more than talent for their collective success. If that is an establishment point of view, then count me in.

By the way, in the end I truly believe that it comes down to talent. Without enough of it, all the hard work in the world will make little difference.

I have to go to work now so I guess I will miss this thread for the rest of the night. Low you might say your prayers tonight and ask the man upstairs the answers to your questions because you arnt gonna get any answers from bluedog, that much I can see.

"What I am trying to do is figure it out because I find it interesting and I want my youngest son to understand the best way to hit."

jemaz I will say it again......If you are looking for answers to understanding rotation in the swing, you will not find them from good ole boy baseball establishment people.....They don't understand the MLB swing.......There is no teaching hitting at the MLB level......And, college coaches teach linear metal bat weight shift, hit against a firm front side, hands to the ball kind of stuff......

LOW is a perfect example of what I am saying.....He thinks MLB hitters don't rotate into foot plant and their brain doesn't make the decision to swing at a pitch......He doesn't understand rotation in the swing, yet he tries to convince people he does.....Heck, he doesn't even know where the middle of a hitter is......Much less how to use it properly....

Then, BlueDog, the question is where to find the answers with a real person who can teach the boy one on one. Keep in mind that the guys I am mentioning are working with younger players much of the time and one on one and they are doing their best to teach them. If not guys like these -- who to me have great credibility and to a degree probably greater than most think study the theories of hitting (including rotational theories even if not by that name) --then who?

I sent an e-mail note to Jack Mankin on his website with a fundamental question recently and never got a reply, which leaves my question (imporant to me) unanswered. I don't even know if it is a relevant question.

It is a dilemma.