Bluedog...
the swing includes a positive movement toward the pitcher w/ rotational components......i think you are confusing the act of rotating to swing w/ the preparation to swing......
So what should a hitter look like, in your opinion, when he takes a pitch he decides not to take a pass at?
If I am interpreting the way you describe, the front hip will open before the front foot hits the ground.....Is this what you believe?
quote:But regardless of who is right and who is wrong in these discussions, it ought to be clear that hitting is far more than mechanics. It includes many mental aspects, speed, coordination, etc... A player can have perfect mechanics and not be able to hit. And clearly there is more than one way to success, probably dependent to a large degree on the individual.
Jemaz....
PERFECT!
quote:If I am interpreting the way you describe, the front hip will open before the front foot hits the ground
Yes the hips will will begin opening....What you don't understand, though, is that it's not about the hips opening......There's another part of the equation that is more important then the hips......
Yes...BEGIN...but not open up prior to foot landing.....You cannot rotate W/ FORCE until the front heel lands.....there must be an axis..
Shep, for some reason i'm unable to see "any" of the images that you post and sometimes i'll get a popup window from MSN to sign in to passport account. 
Don't know if i'm the only one having problems viewing your images.
Don't know if i'm the only one having problems viewing your images.
Bluedog...any chance of you being in California?
quote:There is no teaching hitting at the MLB level......And, college coaches teach linear metal bat weight shift, hit against a firm front side, hands to the ball kind of stuff......
Here's your chance Bluedog>Explain the above statement for your audience, please.
PS(Does everybody see images)
[quote].i think you are confusing the act of rotating to swing w/ the preparation to swing......
LOW, I have told you that I understand where you are coming from because I understand what you teach, which is not rotation.....You don't understand what I'm saying because you do not understand rotation in the swing.....
MLB hitters do not rotate to swing.....What they do is load the body to swing and rotate to the ball......
"So what should a hitter look like, in your opinion, when he takes a pitch he decides not to take a pass at?"
Doesn't matter, he's decided not to swing and has released his load in the hips and shoulders......
LOW, I have told you that I understand where you are coming from because I understand what you teach, which is not rotation.....You don't understand what I'm saying because you do not understand rotation in the swing.....
MLB hitters do not rotate to swing.....What they do is load the body to swing and rotate to the ball......
"So what should a hitter look like, in your opinion, when he takes a pitch he decides not to take a pass at?"
Doesn't matter, he's decided not to swing and has released his load in the hips and shoulders......
Bluedog...
Louisana perhaps?
Louisana perhaps?
Bluedog..
I just think you do a pretty poor job of describing what you have READ in a book or translating what has been FED to you.
I just think you do a pretty poor job of describing what you have READ in a book or translating what has been FED to you.
BLUEDOG....
LAST CHANCE PERIOD......
TELL ME OF YOUR PLAYING EXPERIENCE...YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU PLAYED, WHERE YOU INSTRUCT.....
JUST TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND.....DO YOU REMEMBER THIS THAT YOU WERE SO QUICK TO AVOID....?????????? YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN READ, BUT BY THE LACK OF ANY BEEF (answers to my questions) I AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT YOU HAVE A SELECTIVE READING DISORDER..!!!!!
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong on the following statements!
1. You have NEVER played this game beyond High School.
2. All of the knowledge you have attained is purely from reading and observance.
3. You currently do not work w/ College or Professional hitters.
4. You have never faced a pitcher while playing at the college or professional level.
5. You have yet to answer one of my questions.
I believe your intentions are meaningful and well intended. But completely out of left field and very inaccurate.
PLEASE...PLEASE....PLEASE....tell me where I am wrong w/ the above statements....PLEASE...I'm on my knees begging you....
LAST CHANCE PERIOD......
TELL ME OF YOUR PLAYING EXPERIENCE...YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU PLAYED, WHERE YOU INSTRUCT.....
JUST TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND.....DO YOU REMEMBER THIS THAT YOU WERE SO QUICK TO AVOID....?????????? YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN READ, BUT BY THE LACK OF ANY BEEF (answers to my questions) I AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT YOU HAVE A SELECTIVE READING DISORDER..!!!!!
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong on the following statements!
1. You have NEVER played this game beyond High School.
2. All of the knowledge you have attained is purely from reading and observance.
3. You currently do not work w/ College or Professional hitters.
4. You have never faced a pitcher while playing at the college or professional level.
5. You have yet to answer one of my questions.
I believe your intentions are meaningful and well intended. But completely out of left field and very inaccurate.
PLEASE...PLEASE....PLEASE....tell me where I am wrong w/ the above statements....PLEASE...I'm on my knees begging you....
[quote]Yes...BEGIN...but not open up prior to foot landing.....
LOW, rotating into footplant means beginning the rotation.....The rotation is what forces the front foot to the ground......Once the brain says swing, the middle begins rotating and the front foot is forced to the ground....
The rotation doesn't begin with a front side pulling action from a firm front side.........It begins from the action of the middle and the front leg does become an axis.....But, the front side does not stop the weight shift momentum....The middle does....
LOW, rotating into footplant means beginning the rotation.....The rotation is what forces the front foot to the ground......Once the brain says swing, the middle begins rotating and the front foot is forced to the ground....
The rotation doesn't begin with a front side pulling action from a firm front side.........It begins from the action of the middle and the front leg does become an axis.....But, the front side does not stop the weight shift momentum....The middle does....
jemaz,
You are part of the (open minded)establishment... and very wise IMO! You've been around some of the best minds in baseball and still seek answers just like they do..
You are part of the (open minded)establishment... and very wise IMO! You've been around some of the best minds in baseball and still seek answers just like they do..
NOT THE ANSWERS I'M LOOKING FOR BLUEDOG....
TRY AGAIN....COME ON YOU CAN DO IT....
I FEEL WE HAVE THE SAME CORE BELIEFS BUT YOU DO A POOR JOB OF EXPLAINING IT.....
REMEMBER...US "GOOD OLE' BOYS" ONLY SPEAK PLAIN ENGLISH AND ARE NOT HIP TO YOUR NEW TECHNILOGICAL WAY OF SPEAKING...
"THE EXUBERENCE OF YOUR VERBOSITY IS TOO COPIOUS FOR ME TO DIMINUATE."
I'M JUST A DUMB REDNECK FROM SOUTHERN INDIANA W/ A TON OF USELESS EXPERIENCE (and eager to learn more, I might add).
Educate me Bluedog.....(but is Bluedog credible?)
TRY AGAIN....COME ON YOU CAN DO IT....
I FEEL WE HAVE THE SAME CORE BELIEFS BUT YOU DO A POOR JOB OF EXPLAINING IT.....
REMEMBER...US "GOOD OLE' BOYS" ONLY SPEAK PLAIN ENGLISH AND ARE NOT HIP TO YOUR NEW TECHNILOGICAL WAY OF SPEAKING...
"THE EXUBERENCE OF YOUR VERBOSITY IS TOO COPIOUS FOR ME TO DIMINUATE."
I'M JUST A DUMB REDNECK FROM SOUTHERN INDIANA W/ A TON OF USELESS EXPERIENCE (and eager to learn more, I might add).
Educate me Bluedog.....(but is Bluedog credible?)
PG.....
Come on and jump in. The water is fine.....I know you have been reading this thread.....
Come on and jump in. The water is fine.....I know you have been reading this thread.....
jemaz, yes it is a dilemna trying to figure this stuff out.......But, if you want to bad enough, you will find a way.......It is up to you to help your son.....You can learn this stuff yourself or find someone who knows it, and can teach it, that your son can learn from.....
I can tell you this......People who say things like, I played on a high level and I know what I'm talking about, or, I coach at colleges and have credibility,
aren't the right choice.....There are many of these types turning out poor to mediocre hitters day in and day out....Look elsewhere.....You can find what you're searching for......
I can tell you this......People who say things like, I played on a high level and I know what I'm talking about, or, I coach at colleges and have credibility,
aren't the right choice.....There are many of these types turning out poor to mediocre hitters day in and day out....Look elsewhere.....You can find what you're searching for......
Am I wrong for asking the background for credibility of my man Bluedog?????????
Certainly there have been successful hitters at all levels.....someone had to teach them.....was it Bluedog or his cronnies?
Hitting does not have to be as technical as someone (Bluedog) is making it sound.
Certainly there have been successful hitters at all levels.....someone had to teach them.....was it Bluedog or his cronnies?
Hitting does not have to be as technical as someone (Bluedog) is making it sound.
BlueDog,
With all respect... Everyone simply wants to know... who are the outstanding hitters produced by each and every method? Rudy Jaramillo has documented successful students (results).
With all respect... Everyone simply wants to know... who are the outstanding hitters produced by each and every method? Rudy Jaramillo has documented successful students (results).
Very nice PG....keep going....
PGStaff, is it better to emulate what Jaramillo teaches or to emulate what MLB hitters do?
IMO, MLB hitters are the best hitters in the world........I prefer to emulate them.....
IMO, MLB hitters are the best hitters in the world........I prefer to emulate them.....
begin quote from bluedog...PGStaff, is it better to emulate what Jaramillo teaches or to emulate what MLB hitters do?
IMO, MLB hitters are the best hitters in the world........I prefer to emulate them.....end quote from bluedog
As anyone would want to do....no secret there...
Best kept secret may be that Bluedog stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night....
IMO, MLB hitters are the best hitters in the world........I prefer to emulate them.....end quote from bluedog
As anyone would want to do....no secret there...
Best kept secret may be that Bluedog stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night....
Just a few observations from a neutral party.
A. Bluedog speaks Englishbey ... keep it coming dog, I'm learning... doesn't mean I'm buying the whole store but I'm learning.
B. Low: Keep it coming with the good solid advice.... give up on the begging though, makes you sound like your're playing in Double A with sandlot talent ... we really don't care where he played I want clips and good solid debate.
C. Jemaz, I haven't seen much of you before but I like what you have... keep it coming.
D. Where I do see Bluedog taking us is 'further' than that early rotation ****-ola that has kids spinning, swinging at the moon and falling back toward the catcher... man I wish more kids swung like that in our league my pitching staff would like like Koufax and Drysadale every day.
Have a nice night guys my wife just gave me last call.
A. Bluedog speaks Englishbey ... keep it coming dog, I'm learning... doesn't mean I'm buying the whole store but I'm learning.
B. Low: Keep it coming with the good solid advice.... give up on the begging though, makes you sound like your're playing in Double A with sandlot talent ... we really don't care where he played I want clips and good solid debate.
C. Jemaz, I haven't seen much of you before but I like what you have... keep it coming.
D. Where I do see Bluedog taking us is 'further' than that early rotation ****-ola that has kids spinning, swinging at the moon and falling back toward the catcher... man I wish more kids swung like that in our league my pitching staff would like like Koufax and Drysadale every day.
Have a nice night guys my wife just gave me last call.
BlueDog,
He is considered one of the very best instructors of those major league hitters you speak of.
ML hitters listen to what he has to say! Or do they just ignore what he talks about and learn from others not involved at that level?
He is considered one of the very best instructors of those major league hitters you speak of.
ML hitters listen to what he has to say! Or do they just ignore what he talks about and learn from others not involved at that level?
Beautiful Trojan....
Yes, I can take a little coaching and must come to grips w/ my futile attempts w/ Bluedog....
Clips would be nice......He has provided a few but the explanation is out there...
Good night Trojan.....must do what the boss says...LOL....take care....
Good post..!!!
Yes, I can take a little coaching and must come to grips w/ my futile attempts w/ Bluedog....
Clips would be nice......He has provided a few but the explanation is out there...
Good night Trojan.....must do what the boss says...LOL....take care....
Good post..!!!
Go PG...GO.....just don't get too sucked in like I did....LOL
Bluedog,
Would you be kind enough sir to expand on the following statements that you made for clarification and educational purposes:
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Yes the hips will will begin opening....What you don't understand, though, is that it's not about the hips opening......There's another part of the equation that is more important then the hips......
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What is the other part of the equation - Would that be the shoulder blades? As I see it the hips open slightly (unlock) which allows the shoulders to rotate which brings the hips around.
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MLB hitters do not rotate to swing.....What they do is load the body to swing and rotate to the ball......
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The above appears to be a conflicting statement i.e. they don't rotate to swing but they rotate to the ball. As I understand it you don't rotate to load but do rotate i.e. unload to the ball thus there is some rotation involved. Is this a correct assumption?
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There is no torque and no resistance....
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Believe torque by defininition is a rotational force. Therefore would assume the more you load the greater the amount of torque that is created i.e. rotational force. So how can there be no torque?
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Would you be kind enough sir to expand on the following statements that you made for clarification and educational purposes:
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Yes the hips will will begin opening....What you don't understand, though, is that it's not about the hips opening......There's another part of the equation that is more important then the hips......
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What is the other part of the equation - Would that be the shoulder blades? As I see it the hips open slightly (unlock) which allows the shoulders to rotate which brings the hips around.
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MLB hitters do not rotate to swing.....What they do is load the body to swing and rotate to the ball......
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The above appears to be a conflicting statement i.e. they don't rotate to swing but they rotate to the ball. As I understand it you don't rotate to load but do rotate i.e. unload to the ball thus there is some rotation involved. Is this a correct assumption?
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There is no torque and no resistance....
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Believe torque by defininition is a rotational force. Therefore would assume the more you load the greater the amount of torque that is created i.e. rotational force. So how can there be no torque?
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
MT07, torque is opposing forces.....Forces going in opposite directions.....This doesn't happen in the MLB swing......MLB hitters simply load the hips and shoulders and utilize their middle to rotate to the ball.....There are no opposing forces in their swing......Simply load and unload......
MT07, LOW was implying there is some kind of rotation when MLB hitters are loading, or as he says, getting ready to swing.....I say rotation begins when the hitter has already loaded and the brain says swing........
You got it right.....
You got it right.....
If there is no torque then what purpose does the front foot being on the ground serve?
What is the purpose of an axis.....and can an axis be present before the front heel hits the ground?
A good base and balace must be present.....What role do the legs serve in the swing?.....How about the arms?....the eyes?....etc.....
enlighten me...
What is the purpose of an axis.....and can an axis be present before the front heel hits the ground?
A good base and balace must be present.....What role do the legs serve in the swing?.....How about the arms?....the eyes?....etc.....
enlighten me...
quote:MT07, LOW was implying there is some kind of rotation when MLB hitters are loading, or as he says, getting ready to swing.....I say rotation begins when the brain says swing and the hitter has already loaded.....
You got it right.....
Show me where I said that.....Show me....NEVER said that....have never even thought of such an absurd thing.....Very hard to start from dead stop ala Molitor and Moises Alou...only two I can think of that resemble very little load....getting ready to swing is simply a slight movement back w/ the hands, slight weight shift back....something to help generate a positive movement toward the pitcher....I NEVER SAID YOU ROTATE TO BEGIN SWING.....COME ON DUDE.....I THOUGHT YOU COULD AT LEAST READ....
And don't tell me what I DON'T understand....tell me a little more than that....
Bluedog...
Can I come hit w/ you sometime?
Bluedog...
Can I come hit w/ you sometime?
".i think you are confusing the act of rotating to swing w/ the preparation to swing......"
LOW, what is this supposed to mean?
LOW, what is this supposed to mean?
Bluedog.....
Let's try this....you are a RHH (that's right handed hitter)...facing a RHP w/ 88-90 mph FB...78-81 11/5 CB and AVG CH....What would your approach be against him in a one run ball game, late in game w/ 2 outs and man on second....let's say it's a Double A game and you are hitting 3rd in the line up.......WHAT IS YOUR APPROACH BEFORE YOU STEP INTO THE BOX?......Let's say he pitched you backwards in your first at bat w/ runners in scoring position.....Book pitched you in the second at bat w/ the bases empty.....walked you by book pitching you in your third at bat w/ a man on first......WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL APPROACH?
Let's try this....you are a RHH (that's right handed hitter)...facing a RHP w/ 88-90 mph FB...78-81 11/5 CB and AVG CH....What would your approach be against him in a one run ball game, late in game w/ 2 outs and man on second....let's say it's a Double A game and you are hitting 3rd in the line up.......WHAT IS YOUR APPROACH BEFORE YOU STEP INTO THE BOX?......Let's say he pitched you backwards in your first at bat w/ runners in scoring position.....Book pitched you in the second at bat w/ the bases empty.....walked you by book pitching you in your third at bat w/ a man on first......WHAT IS YOUR GENERAL APPROACH?
quote:Very hard to start from dead stop ala Molitor and Moises Alou...only two I can think of that resemble very little load....
These two hitters load very well.....You can't hit like they do and not have a great load......Perhaps you don't understand how they load?
quote:".i think you are confusing the act of rotating to swing w/ the preparation to swing......"
It means I do not believe you rotate before your front foot hits the ground.....which I do not believe you think is correct either...you just explain it very poorly.....
I was referring to Molitor's and Alou's hands...
The hands have nothing to do with the load.....
So explain to me what Griffey's hand do?
quote:Yes...BEGIN...but not open up prior to foot landing.....
Begin what LOW......Rotation????
Oh but before you do that....Tell me you approach in my post above.....
