My aim in the thread was not self-gratification but to try to convey that teaching the easiest most efficient use of the bat in the swing at the earliest ages will have the longest lasting positive results.
The great majority of posts were negative but lead to good comparative debate and discussion.
It seems that the use of the circular path and efficient use of the triceps, forearms, hands and eyes will bring about the most effective and productive swing.
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Where is Quincy?
Bee,
I never considered your posts as personal attacks. There are others who latch onto people and make innane comments just to be contrary.
I was wondering if you ever take any benefit from the posts on here or do they cause you to ask questions of the batting coaches?
Or in your opinion, are the majority of theories just typing into the wind?
I never considered your posts as personal attacks. There are others who latch onto people and make innane comments just to be contrary.
I was wondering if you ever take any benefit from the posts on here or do they cause you to ask questions of the batting coaches?
Or in your opinion, are the majority of theories just typing into the wind?
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Bee,
I never considered your posts as personal attacks. There are others who latch onto people and make innane comments just to be contrary.
I was wondering if you ever take any benefit from the posts on here or do they cause you to ask questions of the batting coaches?
Or in your opinion, are the majority of theories just typing into the wind?
Q,
I do take benefit from the posts on here. Sometimes there is a person who says what I'm trying to say in a different way that also makes sense. As a player and instructor I think that is very important. Understanding what you are trying to say and how you convey it to a hitter is paramount in teaching, IMO.
I also believe that many of the theories talked about on here are baseless or of no benefit to hitting. That doesn't mean they can't be brought up. If someone sees something within the swing they haven't seen before, study it, ask questions about it, and try to find out its importance.
When you say "It seems that the use of the circular path and efficient use of the triceps, forearms, hands and eyes will bring about the most effective and productive swing," that clarifies little for me.
The above statement is so vague and generalized that, IMO, it helps nobody on here.
What you say above is true in general terms but it doesn't really explain anything. If I went up to a kid a told him,
"Hey kid, use a circular path and efficiently use your triceps, forearms, hands, and eyes and you will swing your best."
...he would have no idea what I was talking about. IMO the same would hold true for a high school, college, or pro hitter.
I guess that quote cause me to question you and lead me to think you are just typing into the wind...
I agree with the vague nature of my posts.
I have found that no two hitters are alike, so I avoid a one size fits all thinking.
I have always found it better to look at a hitters swing before making a suggestion. Then I would show some of the principles that I have found to be productive within ability to comprehend.
The only sure fire thing I tell a hitter even if I have never seen them swing is to not use their biceps in the swing.
Clarity will always be a problem. I try to keep it as simple as possible. Maybe too simple.
I have found that no two hitters are alike, so I avoid a one size fits all thinking.
I have always found it better to look at a hitters swing before making a suggestion. Then I would show some of the principles that I have found to be productive within ability to comprehend.
The only sure fire thing I tell a hitter even if I have never seen them swing is to not use their biceps in the swing.
Clarity will always be a problem. I try to keep it as simple as possible. Maybe too simple.
quote:When you say "It seems that the use of the circular path and efficient use of the triceps, forearms, hands and eyes will bring about the most effective and productive swing," that clarifies little for me.
Older Versions
Circular Path
Swing the bat, don't chop at the ball.
Efficient use of the triceps, forearms, hands
Extend your arms into the swing
Eyes
Keep your eye on the ball
Read the ball out of the pitcher's hand
Still vague, but time tested
Couldn't read the whole post.
Holy cow. The hips can't open if the foot has not landed yet. That means the hands cant be coming around either. How you going to get the bat around standing on one foot so that its there to make contact on initial plant? That is a joke. Look at your own clips and see how much happens between foot plant and ball contact.
Holy cow. The hips can't open if the foot has not landed yet. That means the hands cant be coming around either. How you going to get the bat around standing on one foot so that its there to make contact on initial plant? That is a joke. Look at your own clips and see how much happens between foot plant and ball contact.
No joke. Triceps and arm extension.
While a batter is busy getting his front foot down to start his swing, he will hear the 90+ fast ball hitting the catcher's glove.
While a batter is busy getting his front foot down to start his swing, he will hear the 90+ fast ball hitting the catcher's glove.
quote:The hips can't open if the foot has not landed yet.
They not only can, they need to.......The hands load against the front hip opening.....
Like this....
And this.......
Pitchers do it, too.......
While couched on my kiester cushion in the County of Pasco, I had the pleasure to see a right handed batter lean forward and swat at a pitch that was too close to take on the outside part of the plate.
No discernible weight shift or hip turn, but he slapped a lazy fly three hundred and twenty feet down the right field line for a home run.
No discernible weight shift or hip turn, but he slapped a lazy fly three hundred and twenty feet down the right field line for a home run.
Not that bluedog and I are "old friends" or anything... but when i read the first post on here (this section) by Q... i thought to myself... there is no way somebody actually believes this... and once i realized someone did actually believe this... i thought to myself, "my Lord" why isn't BD on here helping these people... so i clicked to page 23 and saw that BD was in the conversation...
BD and i do not agree on everything, but Q, you are way off - physics can't even prove your statements..
BD and i do not agree on everything, but Q, you are way off - physics can't even prove your statements..
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
While couched on my kiester cushion in the County of Pasco, I had the pleasure to see a right handed batter lean forward and swat at a pitch that was too close to take on the outside part of the plate.
No discernible weight shift or hip turn, but he slapped a lazy fly three hundred and twenty feet down the right field line for a home run.
You don't need full "hip turn". All you need is separation. Stretch and fire. Something you don't understand because you don't know how muscles work.
I'd be willing to bet he had the proper hand/wrist/forearm action. Of course you don't mention it because you don't know what it looks like.
quote:Originally posted by XV:quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
While couched on my kiester cushion in the County of Pasco, I had the pleasure to see a right handed batter lean forward and swat at a pitch that was too close to take on the outside part of the plate.
No discernible weight shift or hip turn, but he slapped a lazy fly three hundred and twenty feet down the right field line for a home run.
You don't need full "hip turn". All you need is separation. Stretch and fire. Something you don't understand because you don't know how muscles work.
I'd be willing to bet he had the proper hand/wrist/forearm action. Of course you don't mention it because you don't know what it looks like.
15, (Interesting. I wonder what that stands for?) when you say that Quincy doesn't understand how the muscles work, enlighten us some, do you have a degree in Kinesiology? OH, and how was the tournament?
I can only imagine the feed back had I mentioned the cantelever effect of the shoulders at contact.
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by XV:
15, (Interesting. I wonder what that stands for?) when you say that Quincy doesn't understand how the muscles work, enlighten us some, do you have a degree in Kinesiology? OH, and how was the tournament?
Ask Quincy what an eccentric muscle contraction is. I don't have a degree in that field. All one needs is a few minutes to search "eccentric muscle contraction".
I sense a voyage from the ridiculous to the absurd in the offing.
