DBAT MUSTANGS

These three guys sound fairly articulate when they are quoted by the adoring press.

Congratulations friends (on one of the worst kept secrets in Dallas baseball history).

I, for one, look forward to watching things fall into place. When is the press conference? I want to ask about the hats. And I think catcher needs a new email address.

-MD

How many teams per age group? What will the age groups be?

PD... I'll sell ya one of my Mustang hats... They are gonna be a collectors item.

1. Mrs Catcher is working on my new email address
2. No press conference
3. I wore it in 1986-87, the kids will wear it in 2009
4. We will have ages 8-18. We will have multiple teams per age group. the amount of kids that come out for 15-18 will determine the amount of teams in an age group.

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We have too many teams with too many good players spread out around the D/FW Metroplex.

just sounds like they are wanting to control select baseball in DFW; and they haven't been able to do that as long as there are many organizations.

Good luck guys, I see some very talented teams being assembled through this organization. I would expect a yearly Farmington appearance from this group just like the Midland Redskins and East Cobb Yankees.

Who's next? Dallas Tigers/Frozen Ropes=Frozen Tigers

Catcher,
With multiple teams in each age group will they all be named Mustangs or will they all have different names like East Cobb ?

I can see the jerseys now. Blue, red, white, green, grey, and gold. Just like God intended.

In the airline industry when there is a merger jobs are lost. Please tell me SWAC is safe!

We will separate the teams by the coaches last name...DBAT Mustangs Lovelace, DBAT Mustangs Sharp, etc. East Cobb does teams like Astros, Yankees, etc.

SWAC is on 60 day probation....

catcher -- I thought it would be worse. Come on people, he's back!

...fear of KD shutting it down.

Hmmm... DBAT consumed the Knights - They dropped the DBAT Knights moniker after 1 season. How long before DBAT drops the Mustangs nickname?

Do DBAT or Mustangs have fields to mimic the East Cobb model? I recall using HS fields during son's Mustang days. The Marshals have that nice complex at Craig Ranch. How does that play into this scenario? I remember some early conversations w/ Shayne when he said the goal was to reproduce and eclipse the complex built in East Cobb.

I want to be there the day they cut the ribbon to Sam's office at DBAT with those REALLY BIG SCISSORS!

After the fall of 2004 it was actually me that decided to drop the Knights from the team name.....Cade never insisted upon anything like that. He, Sam and Shayne have a proven track record and I have no doubt that they will continue to do great things in summer ball regardless of moniker.

May I make a suggestion?

GM,

That billed is WAY to curved for today's ballplayer. You need to photo-shop that thing into a flat platter...

PD, great minds think alike...

That current version looks like a cave entrance.

I only regret posting the thought second -- but we're right (again).

If your trying to get the top kids in the metroplex to make one super team, why are the Dallas Tigers involved? They eliminated both the Mustangs and DBAT 18 for AABC Connie Mack this past summer. Are the Tiger kids not good enough to make this team?

Sorry. Why are the Tigers NOT involved?

Ballboy, this is not about any super team or the Tigers. Why don't you ask them; DBAT 16 & 17 beat the Tigers it does not make a hill of beans. The Tigers do a a great job at what they do. So what is your point other than to start an unnecessary discussion.

Are the D-Bat Mustangs going to invade Georgia as well? I think all other organizations should combine and have the world's greatest team with an 80 man roster. Next stop, Global domination. Look out TOKYO- select baseball is coming to get you just like Godzilla.

I do think it is very necessary. My son was invited to try out for both clubs. Can I please get some answers from Mr.Carpenter, Mr.Giffis or whoever catcher is? Thanks.

Ballboy,

Since the only baseball player I have is in college, I'll say what no one else wants to....Tommy H. won't do it. Just like he wouldn't do the Metro Scout League. He is his own man and wants no part of sharing. He was asked to do both and declined.

Thanks for your response, but I want to hear from one of the three men in charge.

ballboy -- I have respect for both organizations. I don't understand what you're looking for and why. Are you asking Cade or Shayne to come out and say, "we invited the Tigers but Tommy wasn't interested."? Why is that important? Maybe there was never an intent to include Tommy. And isn't that ok too? The Tigers have been successful for a long time and will continue to be a great option for many kids in the Metroplex. The same is true for the DBAT Mustangs, the Marshals, and many other clubs. You won't hear from Sam in this forum. Cade or catcher may answer.....but they may decide to let today's news speak for itself. In any case, your son should welcome the opportunity to try out for both groups.

Try picking up the phone and calling Cade, I'm sure he'll answer any questions you have.

Congrats to all the teams involved. My son wore all three hats at one time or another during his select career.

It seems to me that the Marshals organization is not changing drastically (if at all), other than to lose their GM. I assume Mr Henneman will find a replacement. Yes, I understant it is a large loss, but life goes on -- I wish Shayne the best in his new role.

why doesn't everyone just be truthful about the merge.

Sam sees it as a way for the Mustangs to continue on when he retires.
DBAT sees it as a business move to sell more equipment. Cade already said summer teams do not make any money, based on time involved. So the money must be coming from selling equipment.

And Shayne wants in on the action and was willing to dump the Marshalls.

So what we have is strickly a business decision. An opportunity to corner the market and hopefully make some money.

So it will just come down to: does everyone want to help them build their name and their business?

To be honest, after thinking about it, I really don't think this will change DFW baseball as much as we may think.

Look at it this way.

In the recent past the Mustangs, DBAT, and Tigers have pretty much been your 3 top teams in the 16,17,18 age groups in DFW.

With the merger, assuming they have the multiple teams they speak of, you basically will have the same thing for all teams.

1 team that's really good.(DBAT MUSTANGS OR TIGERS)

1 team that is good. (DBAT MUSTANGS OR TIGERS)

1 team that is a really good team. (DBAT MUSTANGS OR TIGERS)

Catch my drift?

Whatever team gets hot in the post season will be tagged as the best.

Then, for the entire fall.....folks will talk about how 1 organization surely is better than the other because so and so beat so and so when it counted blah blah blah.........

Only difference is now there will be a battle between 2 top organizations instead of 3.

Which in reality, that's all it was here recently anyways.

What I really want to know is when the website gets updated........

Will Ben Grieve be listed as a DBAT Mustang?

Or when they show the history records, will they list the DBAT Knights Kershaw/Tolleson no hitter against the Mustangs?

Boy, this could get confusing.

What hat will they wear?

Will DBAT now be included and get to hold the golden horseshoe during all the AABC post season tournaments?

Will SWAC be allowed in the dugout when Sam is coaching?

Will Cade give Sam a big hug after each game?

Holy smokes, this is getting so weird.

What league will they play in? Lone Star or BBI?

I guess DBAT is Premier too now? Will the DBAT Mustangs go to the Premier WS?

Who picks up the tab at dinner? Mustangs or DBAT?

So what is happening to the Marshals? Are they folding or is someone else taking over?

Ken- I would agree that the team that will end up labeled the "best" will be the one that goes the furthest in the post season, but I feel the levels on each team will go more like...

really really good team,

really good team,

really good team.

It seems as if one team will end up extra stacked, with the other two just being stacked.

Why would the Marshals fold?

Marshals.rule....

I have read your posts, and I am not sure how any organization(s) "corner the market" or "control select baseball in DFW", but you seem to be certain that it can be done. I would think if that were true, it would have already been done and this entire discussion would not be happening.

My understanding is the Marshals (one L) have been left in the very capable hands of Brett McCabe, a great baseball guy (he coached my son at 14) and a fine person. So it doesn't sound to me like they are going "away". I have no idea what the Marshalls are doing.

As the parent of neither a DBatter or Mustang, I would like to provide my perspective. Maybe it isn't about the money, maybe it is about WINNING (not just going to compete) in national events. I agree that the DFW area has the talent in ballplayers, but not enough talent for 3-6 teams to WIN on the big stage, but certainly enough for 1-2 to have a really great chance. At the end of the day, parents and players are in the same position they have always been, decisions about where and who to play for are made. "Little Johnny" will either make a team or he won't. That isn't much different this year than in years past. There are still options, and if you don't like one or don't get one, there will be other opportunities.

Some will see this as the glass half-full, other as half-empty. As a half-full kind of guy, I think the opportunity for young men to compete at a very high level (or at the highest level they are capable of playing) is what this is all about, and I think most of the players would like the opportunity to TRY to play on this team (but of course not all will be selected). But if "little Johnny" doesn't make it, it isn't the end of the world and there will be somewhere for him to play, maybe even for another DBATSTANG team. Again, that isn't any different after the merger than it was before. I think it can be a good thing, and time will tell. I have already stated on another post that the MSL was one of the best things that happened for my son's baseball life, and these are the same guys (and there were some nay-sayers about that as well). I know there are a lot of details to be worked out, but I don't see any reason why they can't be successful at this venture, and I don't think the world of baseball in DFW has really changed all that dramatically in the last 24 hours.

Good Luck to Sam, Cade and Shayne. (oh, and if you use DBATSTANG I want a royalty payment)

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It seems as if one team will end up extra stacked, with the other two just being stacked.

That's the way it is today really.

And remember, the first DBAT team that went to Farmington was probably the less talented of all the bunches.

Talent only gets you so far as we all know.

I personally think the merger will work fine as I really see no change.

Sam will surely coach a team.

Rusty I'm sure will be back.

Sharp will be around.

And that young boy Dillon is already getting geared up.

Cade and Shayne will defend their creation like they've always done.

The Tigers internet clan will still drink hateraide.

Tommy's kids will still swing it with authority.

DBAT Mustangs will have the arms.

SWAC will have DBAT Mustang hats to pass out at local elementry schools.

All while Kyle sits back with a big cigar and a smile on his face.

From an article entitled "Playing with Pride" (about bringing Texas born players into the Rangers organization) in the "Official Rangers Game Program April 25-May 1,2008".

"As we study other clubs and some of their successful practices, one thing that stood out is how the Braves dominated amateur scouting in the Southeast, and Georgia in particular," said General Manager Jon Daniels. "Since we're located in such an athletic hotbed, there's no reason we shouldn't have similar success in our own backyard."

The East Cobb Baseball organization is not mentioned directly above, but it is the driver of baseball in the Atlanta area. For those who haven't been to the site, I suggest that you check out www.eastcobbbaseball.com before you begin throwing stones at what these guys are trying to create for your sons. Based on Jon Daniels comments above, the Rangers will certainly be watching how this develops. I only wish this had been in place when my son was coming up through the ranks. I have a friend whose son started in the East Cobb system at 11 years old and he has nothing but great things to say about the way his son was taught to play the game. His son is in college now and playing at a prominent D1 program.

If you are really honest about it, if your son is still playing select ball at 16u, it is because he wants to continue playing after high school. If these gentlemen run this organization well and they help every player in their organization find a place to play after high school, is anyone really going to begrudge them making a decent living?

With all the speculation about motives for the merger, allow me to posit another possibility. Maybe, just maybe, this is happening because it is the best alternative for a lot of young men to develop their baseball skills, gain exposure with college coaches (of all levels) and further their futures in baseball.

If the model is East Cobb, and they are successful, that will surely be the result. So what's wrong with that?

GEEEEEEZE...Do any of you folks have a real job? I think Obama and McCain could use several of you on their teams as you all can spin things in all kinds of directions!!! I'm starting my own organization now called the misfits...giving a home to all those left out in the cold and still want to play ball!!! LOL. HAHAHAHAHA