FastArm

I'm interested too. Please post any and all experiences.

slbaseballdad,

Send me a PM and I'll be glad to tell you some feedback involving my son after having used this Fastarm device since middle of May.

YGD

I'm now curious about this. YGD, PM me or post here what your experience was with this. Thanks.

would also like to hear about this.

Is this a joke?

This product says it will create "an optimized throwing motion adds velocity"

Also it will...
** A starting spot on your Little League All-Star team

** A reputation as the ace of your high school rotation

** A college scholarship to your dream school

** A pro contract and potentially millions of dollars

Please save your money. This product doesn't even focus on the area that creates velocity. You don't need to buy any product to get faster.

Sultan, listen I can assure you that I am nor have I ever been one to buckle at the knees when it comes to "snake oil" type products. As a matter of fact I am the first to turn my nose up to it.

Had this particular product NOT have AT LEAST the backing as the 2011 ABCA convention by Collegiate baseball as "Best in Show" I wouldn't have given it a 2nd glance. But these "sporting good" type companies that come to the ABCA convention each year where there are coaches from all over the country in attendance and advertise their product have to do so under the scrutiny of a wealth of baseball knowledge. If you have ever read any of the Collegiate Baseball monthly rags you will see that their products (advertised) are mostly from legit companies.

While you conveniently picked the "fun" parts of the sites you also failed to hi-light some of the pertinent areas. There's really no need to go back and forth here with "tit for tat". That's not my intent here. At the end of the day if a consumer doesn't like the product or it fails to produce what it says, he gives a 100% money back gurantee like most valid companies. That's all you can ask for.

I do know for a fact what it has done for my "college age" baseball player now that he has used it for close to 6 weeks now. It was proven yesterday at a MLB tryout he attended.

If a person can't afford the $50 to buy one, don't get it. As simple as that. But if you can, it's quite surprising at how it does seem to work.

If anyone wants to know his results, send me a PM.

YGD

I don't agree with how Sultan said it, but I do agree he brings up good points that may place the product in question.

What I would like to know is if any college programs actually use this product, do the Texas Rangers?

It may very well be legit, and have been best in show at the convention and may give results one is looking for very quickly, but what are the long term effects?

BTW, Naftali was on the disabled list this spring for rotator cuff soreness.

Although this does look interesting, one thing I am worried about in the video on the website is that is claims to increase external rotation. Although there is no doubt that more external rotation will create more lay-back and whip, ultimately more velocity, more external rotation produces more forces on the elbow and shoulder. For the most part, trying to increase external rotation is dangerous. A buddy of mine (pitcher) tried to do so, by placing his elbow at 90 degrees, and allowing a resistance band to pull him back and stretch his arm to extreme external rotation. He ended up not being able to throw more than 20 innings that year. An alternative to increasing external rotation in order to create lay-back and eventually velocity would be to increase thoracic spine ROM, specifically extension. If you can get your lay back from going into extension in your thoracic spine, you will be better off.

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Originally posted by TPM:
I don't agree with how Sultan said it, but I do agree he brings up good points that may place the product in question.

What I would like to know is if any college programs actually use this product, do the Texas Rangers?

It may very well be legit, and have been best in show at the convention and may give results one is looking for very quickly, but what are the long term effects?

BTW, Naftali was on the disabled list this spring for rotator cuff soreness.

I have no knowledge of any college programs using it. I do know that the Rome Braves (low A) use them on their staff. And another minor league team pitching coach. (posted below).

I would be willing to bet that it like many other pitching-mechanic technique "implements" will have its Pros and Cons, i.e. weighted balls, towel drill, et al. Time will tell.

“The FastArm is a great practice tool for all players — expecially young players — to develop proper arm action that teaches arm pronation. FastArm builds arm strength, improves overall body coordination and develops arm flexibility.”

– Matt Walbeck, 11-year MLB veteran catcher and current manager at Rome (Class-A)

“The FastArm is the best warm-up, arm motion training, and arm strengthening product I’ve ever seen or used. We’ve seen immense improvement in arm strength, mechanics and velocity after using the FastArm for six weeks.”

– Dewey Robinson, 3-year MLB veteran pitcher and current minor league instructor (Tampa Bay).

And as far as Neftali's injury it was actually right shoulder inflammation and could not be determined as the cause. Not rotator cuff soreness. Just wanted to state that fact in relation to this conversation.

Again, I am by NO means promoting or affiliated with this company. I am just a consumer of their product and can ONLY report the positive results my son has seen personally. Had he experienced ANY negative signs I would have (and will) make them known. Of the almost 6 weeks of use he has yet to experience anything but positive results and a boost in his velocity.

YGD,
I am not doubting that your sons velo has most likely improved. I really know nothing about the product. Be careful, is all I am saying, if it were as easy as it looks (and that cheap), everyone would be doing it.

I was wrong, here's an article on Neftali, right shoulder rotator cuff inflammation (not soreness).

No one can determine what specifically causes inflamation, more than likely it is from doing more when the body wasn't ready, something that frequently happens in ST. But if he endorses and uses the product, makes you have to think about it.

JMO.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews....eftali-feliz-on.html

YGD,

Thanks for posting your experience with this product. Congratulations to your son on his gains and best of luck.

Sultan- Can you please elaborate as to why you think this product is a "joke" and why you feel that there are no products made that will help you improve?

JMO, but it seems like there may be some small advantage in helping to train the arm to whip through the release a bit faster, which it seems like having a ball out there on a lever may help with.

JMO, but there may be some added risk to the shoulder due to still having the ball which is also out on a lever when decellerating. On the other hand, if done properly (and who knows what properly is) then it could be additional training for the decellerators.

Personally, I wouldn't get too excited about the Perez endorsement or for that matter most any pro-athlete endorsement. The Walbeck clip seems to be fairly genuine and doesn't make any exaggerated claims from what I can tell.

spartans,
There's also a risk that comes with overdoing back extension.

Like many things having to do with attempting to increase pitching velocity there's a risk/reward component and it is usually very difficult to determine the right ratio of risk vs. reward for any one individual.

I would like to shed some light on some of the posts
about the fastarm. I met Neftali's agent at the Major League Winter meetings and this is when we first started our discussion about endorsement. The video was shot the last start he had in spring training, he was already experiencing soreness from being stretched out to be a starter. I invented the first version fastarm in 1993 and have been using it for 18 years, the new version since December. Now 62 years old I can promise you it works. David Cone used it the last 2 years of his career. I would be glad to answer any and all questions.If you have a son or daughter any position the fastarm will help them stop short arming and improve their neuromuscular throwing patterns.

Chisel, you have a PM (private message). You should see a light kinda blinking at the top of the screen with "New PM". Click on it if you can find it. lol.

Welcome to HSBBW by the way.

YGD

Chisel,
Welcome to the HSBBW. Do you hang out here or was this a coincidance?
Yes, Naftali really didn't train with this product. Is that correct?
Do you guarantee that this product will do what it says, (starting spot mon LL team, become the HS ace, a million dollar pro contract)?
You just make it sound to easy.

It's not.

I had to go back and look at the site again just to make sure of what it "promised" or "guaranteed".

It didn't say it would guarantee those things. Here is what it says per the site:

What would a stronger arm be worth to you?

** A starting spot on your Little League All-Star team?

** A reputation as the ace of your high school rotation?

** A college scholarship to your dream school?

** A pro contract and potentially millions of dollars?

** Respect and admiration of family, friends and fans?

** A long-term future in the game you love?

There are some misconceptions used often in advertising.

For me, is that one assumes he is at a ML ballpark.

The product guarantees that one could throw faster in 6 weeks. It does not say that one could throw harder in 6 weeks. Throwing harder usually brings rewards. Is throwing faster and harder the same thing? Nefatali throws upper 90's. He didn't get that way from using FastArm, I am sure. Neftali, faster, college scholarship, ML contract, for 44.95.

JMO.

Hey if your son had results from using it, that is great.

He did which I am glad to say.

And had he not this post probably would not have ever appeared from fear of being a sucker. lol.

And had he had any adverse affects I would have been the very first to report that as well. I am a Protector of my son's health and arm first and foremost. Then comes anyone on here that is looking for answers or solutions.

That is one of the many things I enjoy about this site. Results, positive or negative, are always welcomed and appreciated.

I was e mailed about the discussion by my web master.
I played baseball since I was 6 years old and was told by my high school coach my freshman year that
he thought I would be too small to play professionally. I was crushed to say the least. My father gave me some words of wisdom when he told me
" They can't measure the size of your heart".
Well I was the 46th player picked in the 1968 draft
and made it to the bigleagues at 21 years old. I actually hurt my arm pitching in Denver the day before I got called up to Cleveland. I believe that when I promise a kid he can build a major league arm
or a starting position by using the FastArm I am giving a kid a goal and a chance to really improve their throwing skills through hard work and applying scientific principals that the FastArm provides. Vanderbilt is know for having the best pitchers in the country apparently their coaches are doing something right and must have believed the Build A Major League Arm promise when they bought a FastArm. "Faith precedes the Miracle"

That's very interesting about Vandy.

I guess you are implying that it was used by Price?

We have a parent here whose son goes to Vandy. I know someone who is a D1 pitching coach, who is also very close to Corbin, will be interesting to hear his opinions and will get back to you on that.

Ok. I guess I am lost.

Where does he "imply" in his post that Price is the pitcher from Vandy that used the Fastarm?

It's really amazing how this thread has grown legs of its own. First, I am put under the spot light for having purchased the product believing it could do anything positive. And now the Owner and inventor of the product makes a couple of posts and he is now being questioned. Unbelievable.

I have been on this site for quite a while now. I would like to think that I am thought of as a worthy and credible poster. Never seeking what is in it for me. If my testament that this product has to this point provided the benefit(s) that my son sought out, then maybe I need to think twice about mentioning stuff about improving one's player.

When I saw the product in Collegiate Baseball and looked it up online, I didn't even KNOW who Neftali Perez WAS. Pay a guy a buck and they'll say anything positive about a product. I was more interested in what it does to promote arm strength and "possible" velocity. If he only gained 1MPH, then the $50 was worth it. But he got more.

I think this person might very well could be a great contributor to some of our discussions here in many of the forums. He has only made a whopping 2 posts and already we're making him feel at home (sarcasm intended).

I have to support YGD in this discussion. I think it is interesting to bring up products or workouts, especially by a longtime member who isn't pushing the product. He is just giving what he sees as the results positive or negative. I feel the inventor popping in should be given a chance to have his say. We don't have to run every new poster off since this guy didn't come in until his product was discussed.

There are still many people who think everything in baseball should be done the same way as it has been for the last 130 years. I'm not a pitching guru, but I am in favor of discussions being allowed on this site. Gee, you'd think the guy said pitching wins and RBI's are still valuable ways to measure a player's production.

YoungGunDad,

I'm not going to say good or bad about this product. If it worked for your son great.

But, if he did gain a few mph how did you quantify it?

Was it a one time outing that he threw harder (i.e this tryout) or has he been consistently faster on every outing he has made since using it?

Was the same gun used to gauge these "before & after" results?

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Originally posted by chisel:
Vanderbilt is know for having the best pitchers in the country apparently their coaches are doing something right and must have believed the Build A Major League Arm promise when they bought a FastArm.

They may have one of the best pitching staffs in the country, along with a bona fide ML pitcher. My point is, did he (Price) or does their pitching staff use this product regularly. Or was this product purchased for position players only? No one is denying that this may be a very useful aid, having a pitcher endorsing the product makes you believe that it will increase sustained velocity. In just 4 weeks I am going to assume that your son developed a faster arm. Did he use this aid alone or with an instructor, etc. Did he use this aid along with core and lower body workouts. Is he still using it? How was his command of his pitches with his increased velocity? Did he soley use it for that one event? Has he focused too much on using the product, or were his gains through better use of core and lower body?

I still am stuck on the exclusive use of the word faster and not harder. Position players can throw fast, pitchers throw hard. One most probably would throw faster in 4-6 weeks but will a pitcher sustain that "harder" velocity over time? I do believe the word "hard" was left out on purpose.

No one has said anything about being a good or bad product, I questioned the integrity of the advertising. If it worked for your son that is terrific, however you have never stated HOW it worked for him and RobV brings up a great points in his response.

YGD, you are a very good guy. No one thinks that you endorsed this product or it may not be legit for it's intended purpose. I just don't get asking about a product and then a month later asking people to pm you for results. Why not just come out and state what you have personally experienced (after asking about the product) and your opinion, why have to do it behind the scenes. That for me makes it all the more legit.

In response to three bagger, understand that baseball is a HUGE business, people understand that you would like to achieve the points that were made in the products advertising. However, IMO, there are very few aids out there that can ever replace the "old fashioned" way of doing stuff, that includes proper instruction for proper mechanics , proper conditioning, etc.

Either way, don't look at this as a bad thing as most likely FastArm got some free advertising in the past few days!

It works and I recommend it. That's all I know to say.

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Originally posted by Floridaball:
YGD,

Thanks for posting your experience with this product. Congratulations to your son on his gains and best of luck.

I somehow missed this.

Thank you Floridaball.

Glad to hear about his gains.

Good luck to you and your son.

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Originally posted by CADad:
spartans,
There's also a risk that comes with overdoing back extension.

Like many things having to do with attempting to increase pitching velocity there's a risk/reward component and it is usually very difficult to determine the right ratio of risk vs. reward for any one individual.

Totally true, but this is lumbar back extension. Thoracic spine extension is natural (sorry..don't really have any sources here to back it up ), but when your back goes into lumbar extension you will run into problems. This is why training for thoracic mobility/extension and training for lumbar stability (core work) is beneficial for pitchers (and any players for that matter).

Spartans,
My bad, didn't read what you wrote in enough detail.

On the other hand I believe the source of extension is generally lumbar extension and relatively speaking there just isn't much available from thoracic extension.

I would also support/recommend the use of the FastArm. My 2014 son is a catcher has had it for about 5 weeks now and has seen great improvement in pop times and success in caught stealers. Uses it in a training routine and in a pre-game warm up routine.

My opinion thus far is that the improvements thus far are from improving his mechanics not necessarily strength. He does long toss and the schools strength and training program therefore we'll likely not be able to ever say strength is from one thing or another but a combination of them all.

Any other word on this? Does it really help improve mechanics?

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Originally posted by NDD:
Any other word on this? Does it really help improve mechanics?

I am pretty good at manufacturing things, I guess it helps to be a tool and die maker. I made one for $12 buck with items found at home depot.

I gave it to the kids on my sons team and let them experiment with it. After just swinging it for a few minutes the average players long toss increased about 20 feet.

Just saying. Nothing scientific, just an observation. Who knows they may have been sand bagging their throws prior.

My son has one and likes to use it to warm up. He likes it. It does look like it would be simple to replicate.

I suspect he will use it in the winter when it is too nasty to throw outside.

Guess what I just saw during the Rangers vs Tigers game? They just showed Neftali Feliz warming up in the bullpin with the fastarm.

They had to point out that you do not throw it, but instead just swing it around. The other commentator stated that it was one of the best warm up devises out there.

Did not expect that.

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Originally posted by brushout:
Guess what I just saw during the Rangers vs Tigers game? They just showed Neftali Feliz warming up in the bullpin with the fastarm.

They had to point out that you do not throw it, but instead just swing it around. The other commentator stated that it was one of the best warm up devises out there.

Did not expect that.

I guess someone knows a little something about the product afterall! Thanks for posting this.

It's not snake oil. Try it and see for yourself.

YGD

The exercises Neftahl is doing at the beginning with the fast arm can be done with elastic bands. The product itself is not going to help like many of these products. Arm speed is generated with legs and hip rotation.
If your mechanics are good you will be throwing with your entire body and your arm will be along for the ride anyway.

Good luck to you!

TPA,
Have you tried it?