Would like some input on GW. The roster has only 25. I see 8 players in the portal, only one of them is on the currently posted 2022 roster. HC has been there 10 years, other coaches hired in 2021.
Would love any intel on the program.
Thank you.
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My guess would be the roster was probably around 32-35. 7+ guys entered portal and they were removed from team site. I'm assuming the three new coaches had something to do with that. They came on late in the recruiting cycle for mine. I'm assuming the coaching changes also had something to do with that.
They were one of the schools with a lot of transfers when the portal info became available.
Texas1836,
As far as baseball goes, my biggest hangup on GWU baseball is access to the field for practice or games. There is no campus baseball field, and you have to make an effort to get to the field if you are a student athlete. Georgetown has the same problem. GWU is in DC. The baseball field is in NoVA which (let's face it) is a huge pain in the a$$ to get to. The field itself is very nice although it has been 10 years since I've been there. My son's team played a competitive series @GWU before conference play started. At the time, GWU's offense was their calling card throughout the lineup.
https://gwsports.com/sports/20...directions-html.aspx
They play in a competitive mid-major D1 conference (A10) with some pretty good teams. I honestly can't remember the last time they won the A-10, but most student athletes are going there for a premium education and access to DC/NoVA internships. However, with that premium education comes a premium tuition bill.
Good luck!
@PABaseball posted:My guess would be the roster was probably around 32-35. 7+ guys entered portal and they were removed from team site. I'm assuming the three new coaches had something to do with that. They came on late in the recruiting cycle for mine. I'm assuming the coaching changes also had something to do with that.
They were one of the schools with a lot of transfers when the portal info became available.
At the start of the season, they had 33 on roster
Distribution by State
Distribution by Position
2022 Incoming Class
Note, some of the deleted players have stats
Should they delete players from the website roster. NO, but we've noticed this does occur.
EADA shows shows their actual varsity participation numbers. This is on a one year lag, but should raise red flag if the website and EADA are off.
Below is GW 2021 Numbers
A HS teammate of my son was a freshman at GW in '21 and didn't get into a game, then transferred. Not showing up on the '21 roster. (FWIW went Juco and now committed to an ACC program.)
@K9 posted:A HS teammate of my son was a freshman at GW in '21 and didn't get into a game, then transferred. Not showing up on the '21 roster. (FWIW went Juco and now committed to an ACC program.)
By definition, he is non-rostered.
Note, if he participated in any varsity practices, then he must be reported to the Dept of Education
Thus the difference between school's website and what they've reported to DOE.
Most reporting is within a margin of error, there are some that are out of whack.
Upon designing CBI, I came across this issue with 2016 Coastal Carolina.
Their website has 29 players, but they reported 35, thus they remove 6.
I knew 2 of the players, one competed against my son in HS, the other played with him at a JUCO in 2017.
He had to get TJ Surgery, thus was removed from the roster, thus you might not find out why a person is not on the roster, whereas for transparency his bio should remain and updated, with the injury and medical redshirt.
Note, there might be more to the story, but a family needs to know more details concerning roster management before committing.
Note, I have a passion for this because my son went to a school that 2 players have arm issues prior to his arrival
He got injured in January, the medical staff wanted to give him a cortisone shot so that he could go pitch in early season tournament. I had to intervene, bring him to our baseball physician.
Went to specialist (Dr. Morgan), who performed Kurt Schilling's surgery.
Diagnosis was SLAP tear. He remained in school to finish semester. That was a bad mistake on my part, as for it impacted him mentally.
Had his surgery in summer. the rest of the story will come out in paperback. lol
Thank you PABaseball, Fenway, K9 and CBI.
CBI - I think you are saying that if # of players listed on a team's roster < EADA, that is a red flag, please confirm or correct me on this. If you confirm my interpretation, is a school violating any DOE rule of policy in doing so?
I can understand the reason for removing players from a roster once they enter the transfer portal (you are leaving us so we are not recognizing you on our site). I have seen schools do so. But I think we are all justifiably concerned if there is a pattern of several transfers over several seasons. And, removing "participants" from the listed roster may be interpreted as an attempt to hide the pattern.
K9- Do you know if your friend's son left because he did not like the coaching staff, or was told he would not see the field?
Again, thank you all.
CBI - Thank you for sharing your information. Your database must rival that of the BLS!
@Texas1836 posted:Thank you PABaseball, Fenway, K9 and CBI.
K9- Do you know if your friend's son left because he did not like the coaching staff, or was told he would not see the field?
Again, thank you all.
CBI - Thank you for sharing your information. Your database must rival that of the BLS!
He was told that he wasn't in the plan.
@Texas1836 posted:Thank you PABaseball, Fenway, K9 and CBI.
CBI - I think you are saying that if # of players listed on a team's roster < EADA, that is a red flag, please confirm or correct me on this. If you confirm my interpretation, is a school violating any DOE rule of policy in doing so?
I can understand the reason for removing players from a roster once they enter the transfer portal (you are leaving us so we are not recognizing you on our site). I have seen schools do so. But I think we are all justifiably concerned if there is a pattern of several transfers over several seasons. And, removing "participants" from the listed roster may be interpreted as an attempt to hide the pattern.
K9- Do you know if your friend's son left because he did not like the coaching staff, or was told he would not see the field?
Again, thank you all.
CBI - Thank you for sharing your information. Your database must rival that of the BLS!
@Texas1836 I look at it two ways
If website < EADA, then school has deleted people that participated at varsity level, if they have stats, then you've corrupted your reporting.
If website > EADA, who are the extra people (developmental team?)
If a player has competed at varsity level, leaving (e.g. injured, redshirted, etc), they should still be listed on the website (and tagged), so that any interested party that is researching your school will know how many player were actually on your roster.
IMHO, this is the first level check that a potential recruits should review.
Note, what is the first question families and recruits ask?
How many commits (HS and JUCO) do they have? Note, this is just the first gate in the journey, but then how many signed the NLI? What about walk-ons?
The true behavior is the actual management of the roster.
But that is me rambling.
With respects to BLS, which website is that? Don't know all the acronyms.
I know "The Baseball Cube", Baseball Reference
Good Stuff
Regards
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:....................................
-The true behavior is the actual management of the roster.
-Note, there might be more to the story, but a family needs to know more details concerning roster management before committing.
-EADA shows shows their actual varsity participation numbers. This is on a one year lag, but should raise red flag if the website and EADA are off.
-If website < EADA, then school has deleted people that participated at varsity level, if they have stats, then you've corrupted your reporting.
-If website > EADA, who are the extra people (developmental team?)
Great take aways and analysis CBI! I can't agree with you more that the true behavior is the actual management of the roster. This situation requires more investigation and questions especially given the price tag of a GWU education.
As an aside, my son was recruited/offered by a well known D1 school in New England. We were going through the roster history and noticed almost half of their pitching staff was injured (shoulders and elbows) when a new (and young) pitching coach took over the program the previous year. Anybody who was paying attention could see there was something wrong. We moved on. @Texas1836, I would dig into this GWU roster thing in a big way if your son is seriously considering it. GWU definitely has some outstanding academic programs and opportunities, but I think some serious detective work is needed with the baseball program based on turnover and DOE reporting. CBI has given you a great headstart.
As always, JMO.
Great feedback from you all. Yes, we are running multiple traps on this, but don't let that stop more input from this HSBBW community.
CBI - BLS is the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. https://www.bls.gov/
@Texas1836 posted:Great feedback from you all. Yes, we are running multiple traps on this, but don't let that stop more input from this HSBBW community.
CBI - BLS is the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. https://www.bls.gov/
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Thanks to each of you for the input. I realize that I did not state that this was for a transfer decision, but I suppose that does not matter.
The boy decided to transfer to Belmont for his final two years of eligibility. Nothing negative about GW and no bad vibes from them. He had a very good visit and follow up conversations with the staff. His decision to go to Belmont was based on familiarity (coaches have known him and he has known them for a while), a good level of ball for him, the opportunity to reunite with two former summer ball teammates, and being back in the southeast with better weather.
I really appreciate all the good responses. Thank you!
@Texas1836 posted:Thanks to each of you for the input. I realize that I did not state that this was for a transfer decision, but I suppose that does not matter.
The boy decided to transfer to Belmont for his final two years of eligibility. Nothing negative about GW and no bad vibes from them. He had a very good visit and follow up conversations with the staff. His decision to go to Belmont was based on familiarity (coaches have known him and he has known them for a while), a good level of ball for him, the opportunity to reunite with two former summer ball teammates, and being back in the southeast with better weather.
I really appreciate all the good responses. Thank you!
@TEXAS1836 Congrats to your son and the family. Belmont had very low turnover in 2022.
Texas1836 - Best of luck to your son and family going forward!
