Greenies "some pill pros take"

I have never heard of anything you are talking about and the pitching coach on my team pitched in the majors. My personal trainer also played minor league ball for the D-Rays and has never mentioned any of this to me. I think the player on your high school team told you this when he was on something because it makes no sense. Professional pitchers are PROFESSIONAL. Its not like they are throwing 105 MPH, most throw low 90's and hit their spots consistently and the good ones can also throw two off speed pitches for strikes at any time. I don't see how a "speed" substance could help them in any way. It my opinion it would only hurt them and this is how rumors can get started, by ignorant kids making up stories.

And I know you are referring to Bonds with "roids". Bonds is listed at 6'2" 230-235 lbs. Terrel Owens is 6'3" 230 and is wide receiver in the NFL. How come its OK for a football player to be that big and its not for a baseball player to be that big. Everyone complains about how its easier to put on weight when they get older. Bonds could have just added muscle with an intense training routine and normal supplements that you can go buy at GNC for very little. He really isn't THAT big compared to a football player. He is big compared to baseball players though. Everybody freaks out because Bonds' got stronger and then broke the home run record. They cry steroids but fail to mention he probably has the most efficient swing in the history of the game.

There is no Speed substance used in the majors by pitchers.

I don't think he is talking about pills being taken by pitchers to increase there speed...No where in his post did he mention the pills were taken by pitchers. However he did say he asked his pitching coach, and if a person has ever taken speed...It increases adrenaline, not your arm strength...but If I'm wrong just ignore this post.

Greenies were all over the minor leagues years ago, havent really heard of them lately. Read Jim Boutons book, Ball Four, came out years ago and he talks about them, players use to also drink a cup of black coffee and take aspirin with the coffee, dont think anyone really knew why they were taking them, it was a baseball thing passed down from one generation to another
and it was suppose to make you not as tired and the coffee gave you a boost. aka Red Bull now.

I never said it was taken by pitchers but i said players......and my pitching coach played in the majors for several years he played for the angels and the phillies........he is also the preacher for the baseball chapel orginization for the texas rangers... soo i trust his word when he says they are widely used through the majors. i was just wondering if this was some secret kept in the pros or if you guys have heard of them and obviously some have

Bill Lee talked about greenies in his book "The Wrong Stuff" he used to sprinkle them over his breakfast. I guess theyre pretty small and you take more than 1.

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Originally posted by CTMetros21:
I have never heard of anything you are talking about and the pitching coach on my team pitched in the majors. My personal trainer also played minor league ball for the D-Rays and has never mentioned any of this to me. I think the player on your high school team told you this when he was on something because it makes no sense. Professional pitchers are PROFESSIONAL. Its not like they are throwing 105 MPH, most throw low 90's and hit their spots consistently and the good ones can also throw two off speed pitches for strikes at any time. I don't see how a "speed" substance could help them in any way. It my opinion it would only hurt them and this is how rumors can get started, by ignorant kids making up stories.

And I know you are referring to Bonds with "roids". Bonds is listed at 6'2" 230-235 lbs. Terrel Owens is 6'3" 230 and is wide receiver in the NFL. How come its OK for a football player to be that big and its not for a baseball player to be that big. Everyone complains about how its easier to put on weight when they get older. Bonds could have just added muscle with an intense training routine and normal supplements that you can go buy at GNC for very little. He really isn't THAT big compared to a football player. He is big compared to baseball players though. Everybody freaks out because Bonds' got stronger and then broke the home run record. They cry steroids but fail to mention he probably has the most efficient swing in the history of the game.

There is no Speed substance used in the majors by pitchers.

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Terrell, in his peak years (25), weighed that much.
Barry, in his older age (35), is an inch shorter, and a couple pounds heavier.

However, it would be stupid to assume that Terrell is not using as well, simply because he plays football. Chances are nearly all pro athletes are juicing. All Olympic level competitors are (sprinters, etc.). If some were using and some weren't, then those who weren't would be unable to remain anywhere close to those who were.

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Originally posted by CTMetros21:
I have never heard of anything you are talking about and the pitching coach on my team pitched in the majors. My personal trainer also played minor league ball for the D-Rays and has never mentioned any of this to me. I think the player on your high school team told you this when he was on something because it makes no sense. Professional pitchers are PROFESSIONAL. Its not like they are throwing 105 MPH, most throw low 90's and hit their spots consistently and the good ones can also throw two off speed pitches for strikes at any time. I don't see how a "speed" substance could help them in any way. It my opinion it would only hurt them and this is how rumors can get started, by ignorant kids making up stories.

And I know you are referring to Bonds with "roids". Bonds is listed at 6'2" 230-235 lbs. Terrel Owens is 6'3" 230 and is wide receiver in the NFL. How come its OK for a football player to be that big and its not for a baseball player to be that big. Everyone complains about how its easier to put on weight when they get older. Bonds could have just added muscle with an intense training routine and normal supplements that you can go buy at GNC for very little. He really isn't THAT big compared to a football player. He is big compared to baseball players though. Everybody freaks out because Bonds' got stronger and then broke the home run record. They cry steroids but fail to mention he probably has the most efficient swing in the history of the game.

There is no Speed substance used in the majors by pitchers.

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Read a book by Bill Lee. "The Wrong Stuff".

Greenies, were an amphetmine taken by many athletes (in many sports) in the past. If you read some of the baseball books like Bill Lee's and Jim Bunton's, you will find references to the use of stimulants.

This is in no way the atmoshere of todays baseball. With drug testing and the open clubhouse and the sportswriters, this type of open drug use behavior is no longer tolerated or at the minimum, been driven underground.

Remember the Mark McGuire flap? It was reported by a sportswriter who saw a legal, over the counter supplement called "Andro" in Mark's locker. The sports reporters today no longer cover up bad or illegal behavior by athletes as they did years ago, as a matter of fact, it can be said that they dig up, or go out of thier way to associate athletes with controversy and in the case of boorish or illegal behavior rightly so.

I'm not naive enough to think that no drug use is going on in baseball. Stimulants and performance enhancing drugs are here to stay and MLB will continue testing to keep it at bay. But I think its painting a lot of hard working athletes with a broad brush to think that this type of drug use is rampant in baseball today.

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Originally posted by LoneLobo:
Terrell, in his peak years (25), weighed that much.
Barry, in his older age (35), is an inch shorter, and a couple pounds heavier.

However, it would be stupid to assume that Terrell is not using as well, simply because he plays football. Chances are nearly all pro athletes are juicing. All Olympic level competitors are (sprinters, etc.). If some were using and some weren't, then those who weren't would be unable to remain anywhere close to those who were.

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Lone, I'm gonna go ahead and disagree, hehe. The NFL tests a lot more than other sports, especially baseball. Basball to my knowledge hasn't actually started testing, in spite of their new policy. Olympic athletes are tested months and days before, along with days after their competition. Their were a couple of olympic athletes this year that lost their medals. I doubt TO is juicing, but Bonds on the other hand...anyways, there's my two cents.

I agree with CTMetro21.It pisses me off when people are always trying to take credit away from others.I dont love barry but I dont hate him,Some people say he has a big ego and is immature but I think you have the right to have a big ego when you are the one of the 700 home run club.Last year you could have turned all his hits into outs and he would still have the highest OBP in the NL.Think about it ,Bonds is not THAT big.Give him some credit.

Just an update on greenies....If you read about the Drug Testing program it does not test for amphetamines (greenies). In articles I've read the columinsts imply that it is not included due to it's wide use throughout baseball. As ststed in earlier posts it's not about pitching velocity.

Greenies were very popular before the 90's. It was an accepted practice to drink a ton of coffee, pop a few Greenies and play the game. It has been widely documented and discussed.

It was also a means for some to get thru final exams in college

Diet pills would do the trick